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(LA Times)   Farmers' pesticides and water diversions ruining rural Northern California forest ecosystem and poisoning wildlife. Oh wait, it's pot farmers -- HOW DARE SCIENTISTS MAKE THIS STUFF UP AND SLANDER OUR HOLY, HARMLESS PLANT   (latimes.com) divider line 25
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2012-12-23 03:57:11 PM
11 votes:
I'm pretty sure stoners have a big problem with the illegal grows too subby. In fact legalizing would fix this farked up problem overnight.
2012-12-23 04:14:02 PM
5 votes:

ZAZ: I was just commenting in another thread that "free market" is distinct from "black market" and "anarchy." Here we have a similar problem. It's not feasible to impose health and safety regulations on an underground economy.


Yeah, if I've got an illegal pot farm, I'm probably not inclined to let Dept. of Agriculture inspectors come have a look-see.  Just guessing.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-23 04:11:11 PM
5 votes:
I was just commenting in another thread that "free market" is distinct from "black market" and "anarchy." Here we have a similar problem. It's not feasible to impose health and safety regulations on an underground economy.
2012-12-23 06:19:07 PM
4 votes:
Just another reason to legalize. The CA initiative to legalize a few years ago was thwarted thanks in part to the fear-mongering spread by the growers in the Emerald Triangle. These guys have absolutely no desire to see legalization because of how much money is pumped into their homes. These are the same people who aren't regulated, have no safety standards, are likely to be violent to protect their crop, and have absolutely no incentive to give a shiat about their environmental impact.
2012-12-23 06:05:10 PM
3 votes:
Back in the 1920's and 30's, moonshine stills littered the hills and backwoods of much of the country.

Not much of a problem these days.

Wonder why?
2012-12-23 05:48:06 PM
3 votes:

kmmontandon: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If you go to Google Earth, and find Georgetown, CA, then pan East, you'll see forest destruction like you've never imagined

/it's called 'clear cutting', and there are miles and miles of nothing but bare dirt left
//I'm sure it's not an erosion problem, though


I've been reassured by Republicans that clear-cutting just simulates a natural process, and is good for the forest.

I never hear any specifics to explain how the hell that's supposed to be true, of course.


Forest fires are supposed to naturally clear out the forest periodically and reset the ecosystem so that new growth gets a chance to get started. By putting out forest fires, we humans have actually farked up that natural cycle of destruction and renewal, so clear cutting actually returns things to the status quo if it is done responsibly, which of course is a huge if.
2012-12-23 05:39:10 PM
3 votes:

Gyrfalcon: jflan17: This is not a problem inherent to marijuana. It could be virtually any other crop and we'd see similar results.

This.

Farming is really bad for the environment. I don't care how nifty and organic your plants are.


And unless you hunt and gather, you rely on these farms to feed you.

There are sustainable ways of doing it.
2012-12-23 05:35:18 PM
3 votes:
Potheads dont care about environmental destruction. They just want to get stoned. No matter the cost to everyone else.
2012-12-24 02:01:48 AM
2 votes:
Yes, and this is exactly why I wish the feds would butt the fark out and let us legalize it completely so that we can regulate it. Not only will it decrease environmental damage, it will decrease violence from the cartels shooting people who wander to close to their crop (or each other), defund the cartels, hopefully give more jobs to people who aren't cartel members. And your pot is less likely to be full of pesticides.

Keeping pot illegal is doing NOTHING positive. You can't list one single positive thing that keeping pot illegal does, unless you think keeping prison profits up is a good thing.

It's not just about giving up the stupid puritanical idea that we should punish people who enjoy themselves, it's also about being practical. People can look back and see how stupid the prohibition of alcohol was, I have no idea why the feds can't get their heads out of their asses about pot. This country has enough shiatty problems to deal with without us giving ourselves extra unnecessary ones.
2012-12-23 06:30:07 PM
2 votes:

Antagonism: Just another reason to legalize. The CA initiative to legalize a few years ago was thwarted thanks in part to the fear-mongering spread by the growers in the Emerald Triangle. These guys have absolutely no desire to see legalization because of how much money is pumped into their homes. These are the same people who aren't regulated, have no safety standards, are likely to be violent to protect their crop, and have absolutely no incentive to give a shiat about their environmental impact.


So...legalization is good because growers could be legitimate, non-criminals no longer at constant risk of being busted...

OR

Nonlegalization is good because I make good money and Walmart brand "Great Value" weed will put me out of business.
2012-12-23 06:18:35 PM
2 votes:
see the issue here isnt the fact that people are growing marijuana its the lengths they have to go to grow it, if it was legal we wouldnt be having this problem people would have warehouses and greenhouses outdoor growing would become pretty well obselete
2012-12-23 05:51:27 PM
2 votes:
Legalize it, let them grow in their backyards, window boxes, and farm fields, and maybe they'll come down out of the forest,

Let Sustainable Cannabis and Hemp Production be taught at the community colleges, and show them how to do it correctly.

Problem solved?
2012-12-23 05:43:02 PM
2 votes:

Gyrfalcon: jflan17: This is not a problem inherent to marijuana. It could be virtually any other crop and we'd see similar results.

This.

Farming is really bad for the environment. I don't care how nifty and organic your plants are.


This is a harmful over-generalization, farming does not have to be unsustainable. Example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shade-grown_coffee
2012-12-23 05:23:50 PM
2 votes:
This is not a problem inherent to marijuana. It could be virtually any other crop and we'd see similar results.
2012-12-23 09:47:14 PM
1 votes:
+1 subby as far as I am concerned.

I have been on the receiving end of more than one lecture from my Humboldt county kinfolk about how reactionary and unsubstainable my middle class lifestyle is. TFA confirms what I suspected all along--they're all a bunch of hypocrites.
2012-12-23 08:26:09 PM
1 votes:

utah dude: there's less than 1,000 scripts for that nationwide. - - it's really really controlled. :(


Well, it also has to do with the fact there are safer and less addictive formulations out there. Vyvance is the one I take.
2012-12-23 07:06:15 PM
1 votes:
I assume most of the posts in this thread are angry stoners telling OP that if it was legal this wouldn't be a problem.
2012-12-23 06:50:53 PM
1 votes:

Mutt Farkinov: Antagonism: Just another reason to legalize. The CA initiative to legalize a few years ago was thwarted thanks in part to the fear-mongering spread by the growers in the Emerald Triangle. These guys have absolutely no desire to see legalization because of how much money is pumped into their homes. These are the same people who aren't regulated, have no safety standards, are likely to be violent to protect their crop, and have absolutely no incentive to give a shiat about their environmental impact.

So...legalization is good because growers could be legitimate, non-criminals no longer at constant risk of being busted...

OR

Nonlegalization is good because I make good money and Walmart brand "Great Value" weed will put me out of business.


The growers I know (up in Mendocino) aren't actually concerned with being busted, but they are afraid of being robbed. They own weapons and will shoot to kill to protect their crops. I'm speaking about CA, YMMV in different states. But, yes, they do hate the idea of Great Value weed. That is one of the (many) arguments that they spread during the '10 campaigns to try to sway opinion against prop 19, that weed would be ruined because big companies would take it over and turn it into Phillip Morris.

Sucks for them, but I'd rather have a sane, legal situation, tax them, and regulate them so they don't do the kind of shiat that is mentioned in the article. And yes, it would reduce the number of criminals we have in society by a large amount the day it goes legal.
2012-12-23 06:14:40 PM
1 votes:

rev. dave: Local police everywhere still state a preference in certain breeds of chicken. They will not let go until the body is cold.


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2012-12-23 06:10:26 PM
1 votes:
There is nothing that can improve the taste of salmon just let them die.
2012-12-23 06:09:40 PM
1 votes:
Hell, we've known about this problem for years. Why the LA Times is running yet another article on it  is beyond  me. Must not have been any particularly interesting shootings or stabbings or gang turf wars lately.

sammyk: I'm pretty sure stoners have a big problem with the illegal grows too subby. In fact legalizing would fix this farked up problem overnight.


So much this. I used to live in SoCal, now in NorCal, and  I know plenty of stoners. We are the land of fruits and nuts, but also the land of  surfers and pot smokers. It irritates the more financially blessed or stable stoners to no end when those uppity poors  go to work  the harvest. Why wouldn't  they  work the harvest? They can make more money in less than one month than they did the previous three or four by working the harvest. Oh, and hey!  Smoke every night, free! They consider the poors part of a major problem with our ecosystem. "Well, then so are you, because you're buying it." They don't like me pointing that out and it usually ends with them having a snit fit about the government.

/not a stoner
//also not a surfer
///you'd have to check  with my sis for  that stuff
2012-12-23 05:46:21 PM
1 votes:
I wonder if derpmitter knows how many times illegal cannabis kept northern cali our of recession/depression?
2012-12-23 05:40:35 PM
1 votes:

Rug Doctor: Because society would never unfairly malign pot, right, subby?


The problem comes in when you can no longer differentiate legitimate research regarding short and long-term side effects of pot use in it's various forms, with FUD used by the DARE and DFA to scare people.
2012-12-23 05:30:37 PM
1 votes:
Some people are quite concerned about inhaling pesticide residue. Personally, I find inhaling smoke particles on purpose pretty illogical but I can understand the concern of old hippies.
2012-12-23 04:40:45 PM
1 votes:
If you go to Google Earth, and find Georgetown, CA, then pan East, you'll see forest destruction like you've never imagined

/it's called 'clear cutting', and there are miles and miles of nothing but bare dirt left
//I'm sure it's not an erosion problem, though
 
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