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(LA Times)   Farmers' pesticides and water diversions ruining rural Northern California forest ecosystem and poisoning wildlife. Oh wait, it's pot farmers -- HOW DARE SCIENTISTS MAKE THIS STUFF UP AND SLANDER OUR HOLY, HARMLESS PLANT   (latimes.com) divider line 114
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2012-12-23 03:57:11 PM  
I'm pretty sure stoners have a big problem with the illegal grows too subby. In fact legalizing would fix this farked up problem overnight.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-23 04:11:11 PM  
I was just commenting in another thread that "free market" is distinct from "black market" and "anarchy." Here we have a similar problem. It's not feasible to impose health and safety regulations on an underground economy.
 
2012-12-23 04:14:02 PM  

ZAZ: I was just commenting in another thread that "free market" is distinct from "black market" and "anarchy." Here we have a similar problem. It's not feasible to impose health and safety regulations on an underground economy.


Yeah, if I've got an illegal pot farm, I'm probably not inclined to let Dept. of Agriculture inspectors come have a look-see.  Just guessing.
 
2012-12-23 04:40:45 PM  
If you go to Google Earth, and find Georgetown, CA, then pan East, you'll see forest destruction like you've never imagined

/it's called 'clear cutting', and there are miles and miles of nothing but bare dirt left
//I'm sure it's not an erosion problem, though
 
2012-12-23 05:23:50 PM  
This is not a problem inherent to marijuana. It could be virtually any other crop and we'd see similar results.
 
2012-12-23 05:25:19 PM  
So smoke meth?
 
2012-12-23 05:25:29 PM  
Dude... I thought it was organic.

hightimes.com

pass the chips.
 
2012-12-23 05:25:58 PM  

ModernLuddite: So smoke meth?


u make it sound like it's one or the other. but you tend to smoke weed as you come down from meth
 
2012-12-23 05:30:32 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If you go to Google Earth, and find Georgetown, CA, then pan East, you'll see forest destruction like you've never imagined

/it's called 'clear cutting', and there are miles and miles of nothing but bare dirt left
//I'm sure it's not an erosion problem, though



I've been reassured by Republicans that clear-cutting just simulates a natural process, and is good for the forest.

I never hear any specifics to explain how the hell that's supposed to be true, of course.
 
2012-12-23 05:30:37 PM  
Some people are quite concerned about inhaling pesticide residue. Personally, I find inhaling smoke particles on purpose pretty illogical but I can understand the concern of old hippies.
 
2012-12-23 05:30:47 PM  
Lol, messicans.
 
2012-12-23 05:30:48 PM  

jflan17: This is not a problem inherent to marijuana. It could be virtually any other crop and we'd see similar results.


This.

Farming is really bad for the environment. I don't care how nifty and organic your plants are.
 
2012-12-23 05:31:01 PM  
If it's cool for every other crop farmer to do it why should the rules be any different?

Seriously though, farmers are coddled to a ridiculous degree. Quit flooding everything with pigsh*t and pesticides and holding food prices hostage.

Oh... and all that "extra" food that gets destroyed to inflate prices? Give it to the f*cking hungry you selfish jackals.
 
2012-12-23 05:32:08 PM  

sammyk: I'm pretty sure stoners have a big problem with the illegal grows too subby. In fact legalizing would fix this farked up problem overnight.


Those illegal growers have guns too. Lots of guns.

/troll headline, troll post.
 
2012-12-23 05:32:26 PM  
Remember paraquat?

Good times.
 
2012-12-23 05:35:18 PM  
Potheads dont care about environmental destruction. They just want to get stoned. No matter the cost to everyone else.
 
2012-12-23 05:37:42 PM  
Because society would never unfairly malign pot, right, subby?
 
2012-12-23 05:38:37 PM  

ModernLuddite: So smoke meth?


25.media.tumblr.com

Why smoke that crap? It's 40 bucks for a 30 days supply. Just say you're having trouble concentrating to a family physician.

dryknife: Remember paraquat? Good times.


Good news. At temperatures that pot ignites, Paraquat turns into relatively non-toxic pyridine bases.
 
2012-12-23 05:39:10 PM  

Gyrfalcon: jflan17: This is not a problem inherent to marijuana. It could be virtually any other crop and we'd see similar results.

This.

Farming is really bad for the environment. I don't care how nifty and organic your plants are.


And unless you hunt and gather, you rely on these farms to feed you.

There are sustainable ways of doing it.
 
2012-12-23 05:40:35 PM  

Rug Doctor: Because society would never unfairly malign pot, right, subby?


The problem comes in when you can no longer differentiate legitimate research regarding short and long-term side effects of pot use in it's various forms, with FUD used by the DARE and DFA to scare people.
 
2012-12-23 05:43:02 PM  

Gyrfalcon: jflan17: This is not a problem inherent to marijuana. It could be virtually any other crop and we'd see similar results.

This.

Farming is really bad for the environment. I don't care how nifty and organic your plants are.


This is a harmful over-generalization, farming does not have to be unsustainable. Example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shade-grown_coffee
 
2012-12-23 05:46:21 PM  
I wonder if derpmitter knows how many times illegal cannabis kept northern cali our of recession/depression?
 
2012-12-23 05:48:06 PM  

kmmontandon: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If you go to Google Earth, and find Georgetown, CA, then pan East, you'll see forest destruction like you've never imagined

/it's called 'clear cutting', and there are miles and miles of nothing but bare dirt left
//I'm sure it's not an erosion problem, though


I've been reassured by Republicans that clear-cutting just simulates a natural process, and is good for the forest.

I never hear any specifics to explain how the hell that's supposed to be true, of course.


Forest fires are supposed to naturally clear out the forest periodically and reset the ecosystem so that new growth gets a chance to get started. By putting out forest fires, we humans have actually farked up that natural cycle of destruction and renewal, so clear cutting actually returns things to the status quo if it is done responsibly, which of course is a huge if.
 
2012-12-23 05:51:21 PM  
This article isn't necessarily wrong, as I can't speak for the past or present of California, but it's not like folks growing in the forests is anything new. The Mexican cartels have long been infamous for using the parks and forests for their grows, and guerilla growing was the norm rather than the exception for many, many years. Humboldt and the triangle aren't historically famous for indoor farms. Up until the MMJ laws passed in Oregon, the forests were FULL of weed growers, and the MMJ laws did the exact opposite of what this article implies, as the large outdoor grows became several small outdoor grows. Most of the large-scale production I hear about in California and Colorado now is taking place in legal warehouses, because anybody who actually knows what they're doing wants as much control/security over the process as possible , and they want their grow to adhere to legal standards. I don't doubt that illegal, squatting outdoor farmers aren't the most conscientious folks in the world, and I imagine the dispensary scene in CA has increased demand somewhat, or at least made it easier for the average dipshiat to sell a boat-load of weed, but I'd also actually be surprised to learn that outdoor cultivation has increased over the years.
 
2012-12-23 05:51:27 PM  
Legalize it, let them grow in their backyards, window boxes, and farm fields, and maybe they'll come down out of the forest,

Let Sustainable Cannabis and Hemp Production be taught at the community colleges, and show them how to do it correctly.

Problem solved?
 
2012-12-23 06:01:02 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: ModernLuddite: So smoke meth?

u make it sound like it's one or the other. but you tend to smoke weed as you come down from meth



So... don't come down?
 
2012-12-23 06:05:10 PM  
Back in the 1920's and 30's, moonshine stills littered the hills and backwoods of much of the country.

Not much of a problem these days.

Wonder why?
 
2012-12-23 06:09:04 PM  

Amos Quito: Jon iz teh kewl: ModernLuddite: So smoke meth?

u make it sound like it's one or the other. but you tend to smoke weed as you come down from meth


So... don't come down?


What goes up must come down. Because gravity.
 
2012-12-23 06:09:33 PM  
Local police everywhere still state a preference in certain breeds of chicken. They will not let go until the body is cold.
 
2012-12-23 06:09:40 PM  
Hell, we've known about this problem for years. Why the LA Times is running yet another article on it  is beyond  me. Must not have been any particularly interesting shootings or stabbings or gang turf wars lately.

sammyk: I'm pretty sure stoners have a big problem with the illegal grows too subby. In fact legalizing would fix this farked up problem overnight.


So much this. I used to live in SoCal, now in NorCal, and  I know plenty of stoners. We are the land of fruits and nuts, but also the land of  surfers and pot smokers. It irritates the more financially blessed or stable stoners to no end when those uppity poors  go to work  the harvest. Why wouldn't  they  work the harvest? They can make more money in less than one month than they did the previous three or four by working the harvest. Oh, and hey!  Smoke every night, free! They consider the poors part of a major problem with our ecosystem. "Well, then so are you, because you're buying it." They don't like me pointing that out and it usually ends with them having a snit fit about the government.

/not a stoner
//also not a surfer
///you'd have to check  with my sis for  that stuff
 
2012-12-23 06:10:26 PM  
There is nothing that can improve the taste of salmon just let them die.
 
2012-12-23 06:11:49 PM  

rev. dave: Local police everywhere still state a preference in certain breeds of chicken. They will not let go until the body is cold.


What do you have against deliciousness, you monster.

delianytime.com
 
2012-12-23 06:14:40 PM  

rev. dave: Local police everywhere still state a preference in certain breeds of chicken. They will not let go until the body is cold.


wat
 
2012-12-23 06:17:33 PM  
This headline demonstrates the thought process of a retarded liberal quite clearly.
 
2012-12-23 06:18:10 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Hell, we've known about this problem for years. Why the LA Times is running yet another article on it  is beyond  me. Must not have been any particularly interesting shootings or stabbings or gang turf wars lately.

sammyk: I'm pretty sure stoners have a big problem with the illegal grows too subby. In fact legalizing would fix this farked up problem overnight.

So much this. I used to live in SoCal, now in NorCal, and  I know plenty of stoners. We are the land of fruits and nuts, but also the land of  surfers and pot smokers. It irritates the more financially blessed or stable stoners to no end when those uppity poors  go to work  the harvest. Why wouldn't  they  work the harvest? They can make more money in less than one month than they did the previous three or four by working the harvest. Oh, and hey!  Smoke every night, free! They consider the poors part of a major problem with our ecosystem. "Well, then so are you, because you're buying it." They don't like me pointing that out and it usually ends with them having a snit fit about the government.

/not a stoner
//also not a surfer
///you'd have to check  with my sis for  that stuff


Link?
 
2012-12-23 06:18:35 PM  
see the issue here isnt the fact that people are growing marijuana its the lengths they have to go to grow it, if it was legal we wouldnt be having this problem people would have warehouses and greenhouses outdoor growing would become pretty well obselete
 
2012-12-23 06:19:07 PM  
Just another reason to legalize. The CA initiative to legalize a few years ago was thwarted thanks in part to the fear-mongering spread by the growers in the Emerald Triangle. These guys have absolutely no desire to see legalization because of how much money is pumped into their homes. These are the same people who aren't regulated, have no safety standards, are likely to be violent to protect their crop, and have absolutely no incentive to give a shiat about their environmental impact.
 
2012-12-23 06:19:31 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-23 06:20:50 PM  

Mutt Farkinov: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Hell, we've known about this problem for years. Why the LA Times is running yet another article on it  is beyond  me. Must not have been any particularly interesting shootings or stabbings or gang turf wars lately.

sammyk: I'm pretty sure stoners have a big problem with the illegal grows too subby. In fact legalizing would fix this farked up problem overnight.

So much this. I used to live in SoCal, now in NorCal, and  I know plenty of stoners. We are the land of fruits and nuts, but also the land of  surfers and pot smokers. It irritates the more financially blessed or stable stoners to no end when those uppity poors  go to work  the harvest. Why wouldn't  they  work the harvest? They can make more money in less than one month than they did the previous three or four by working the harvest. Oh, and hey!  Smoke every night, free! They consider the poors part of a major problem with our ecosystem. "Well, then so are you, because you're buying it." They don't like me pointing that out and it usually ends with them having a snit fit about the government.

/not a stoner
//also not a surfer
///you'd have to check  with my sis for  that stuff

Link?


Sorry, dude. She's computer illiterate. I'm  just now teaching her how to use my laptop so I have an excuse to buy a new one, and it is going poorly. I think she should stick to surfing.
 
2012-12-23 06:23:41 PM  

WeenerGord: rev. dave: Local police everywhere still state a preference in certain breeds of chicken. They will not let go until the body is cold.

wat


As in farking the chicken, I do believe.
 
2012-12-23 06:27:30 PM  
Greened troll is greened.
 
2012-12-23 06:30:07 PM  

Antagonism: Just another reason to legalize. The CA initiative to legalize a few years ago was thwarted thanks in part to the fear-mongering spread by the growers in the Emerald Triangle. These guys have absolutely no desire to see legalization because of how much money is pumped into their homes. These are the same people who aren't regulated, have no safety standards, are likely to be violent to protect their crop, and have absolutely no incentive to give a shiat about their environmental impact.


So...legalization is good because growers could be legitimate, non-criminals no longer at constant risk of being busted...

OR

Nonlegalization is good because I make good money and Walmart brand "Great Value" weed will put me out of business.
 
2012-12-23 06:34:15 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: WeenerGord: rev. dave: Local police everywhere still state a preference in certain breeds of chicken. They will not let go until the body is cold.

wat

As in farking the chicken, I do believe.



Wat wat
 
2012-12-23 06:35:57 PM  

guises: Gyrfalcon: jflan17: This is not a problem inherent to marijuana. It could be virtually any other crop and we'd see similar results.

This.

Farming is really bad for the environment. I don't care how nifty and organic your plants are.

This is a harmful over-generalization, farming does not have to be unsustainable. Example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shade-grown_coffee


[shrug] Farming is bad for the environment. Period. It doesn't matter how "sustainable" it is. Planting one crop, that is, putting more of one type of plant in an area to the exclusion of other plants that would normally be in the area is environmentally unsound. It's possible to MINIMIZE the damage, to MINIMIZE the harm done by fertilizing, irrigating, etc., but the simple fact is that settling down in one area and emphasizing one or two sorts of crop and removing other types of plants ("weeds"), allowing certain animals and disallowing other animals ("pests" or "vermin") is ecologically unsound.

It can be done in such a way as to keep the impact smaller; but it's going to have an impact. Sorry if you don't like the implications, but your shade-grown coffee still means that there are too many coffee plants in the region which don't belong there. And are those coffee plants even native to the region?
 
2012-12-23 06:38:56 PM  
Potheads don't really 'hate' the environment

...they're just really confused by it
 
2012-12-23 06:41:32 PM  

shanrick: [i.imgur.com image 200x160


Are those as odor-free as they claim?
 
2012-12-23 06:50:53 PM  

Mutt Farkinov: Antagonism: Just another reason to legalize. The CA initiative to legalize a few years ago was thwarted thanks in part to the fear-mongering spread by the growers in the Emerald Triangle. These guys have absolutely no desire to see legalization because of how much money is pumped into their homes. These are the same people who aren't regulated, have no safety standards, are likely to be violent to protect their crop, and have absolutely no incentive to give a shiat about their environmental impact.

So...legalization is good because growers could be legitimate, non-criminals no longer at constant risk of being busted...

OR

Nonlegalization is good because I make good money and Walmart brand "Great Value" weed will put me out of business.


The growers I know (up in Mendocino) aren't actually concerned with being busted, but they are afraid of being robbed. They own weapons and will shoot to kill to protect their crops. I'm speaking about CA, YMMV in different states. But, yes, they do hate the idea of Great Value weed. That is one of the (many) arguments that they spread during the '10 campaigns to try to sway opinion against prop 19, that weed would be ruined because big companies would take it over and turn it into Phillip Morris.

Sucks for them, but I'd rather have a sane, legal situation, tax them, and regulate them so they don't do the kind of shiat that is mentioned in the article. And yes, it would reduce the number of criminals we have in society by a large amount the day it goes legal.
 
2012-12-23 07:00:14 PM  
Ha ha instant gratification farks you too.

/no good deed goes unpunished, hippies.
//Just teasing, if anyone can figure out how to fix this fast it's you guys
////Please hurry! Im down to my last jar
i26.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-23 07:05:35 PM  
Pot is really dangerous. Haven't you heard about all those dope dealers shooting each other over it? Think how many more of these killings we would have if it was legal!
 
2012-12-23 07:06:01 PM  
Hey subby, if they could grow it out in the open like any other plant, this wouldn't be an issue.
 
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