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(Kotaku)   Nintendo advises you to unwrap, unbox, and update that Wii U Christmas gift before putting it back in the box and re-wrapping it so that special person in your life won't have to wait for the damn thing to upload   (kotaku.com) divider line 158
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2012-12-23 04:07:05 PM
Eh the Wii was fun for a hot minute.  Only game that was memorable was 4p Mario with the neighbors.  Probably never buying another Nintendo system again.

/SFC was the best system ever though.
 
2012-12-23 04:24:35 PM
Meh, never give a gift that isn't ready out of the box. Hell, even an Ipad needs to suck on the corporate teat before being 100% the first time it's turned on.
 
2012-12-23 04:31:25 PM
Update, not upload.
 
2012-12-23 05:51:52 PM
I still see units sitting on the shelf at the local Walmart today. I'm guessing the Wii U is not a must have Xmas present.
 
2012-12-23 05:56:48 PM
Yeah, I think I'll wait a few months before I buy that toy.
 
2012-12-23 05:57:50 PM
Does anyone have anything positive to say about the Wii U for someone on the fence?
 
2012-12-23 05:58:26 PM

PsyLord: I still see units sitting on the shelf at the local Walmart today. I'm guessing the Wii U is not a must have Xmas present.


Was walking through a Best Buy today and they had both the multiples of the standard and deluxe versions on the shelf. People just aren't seeing a reason to grab one.

/Semi-interested in ZombieU, but I'll hold out until a price drop or more must-have games to be released.
 
2012-12-23 05:59:10 PM

YodaBlues: PsyLord: I still see units sitting on the shelf at the local Walmart today. I'm guessing the Wii U is not a must have Xmas present.

Was walking through a Best Buy today and they had both the multiples of the standard and deluxe versions on the shelf. People just aren't seeing a reason to grab one.

/Semi-interested in ZombieU, but I'll hold out until a price drop or more must-have games to be released.


/English, do I speak it?!
 
2012-12-23 05:59:39 PM

danknerd: Does anyone have anything positive to say about the Wii U for someone on the fence?


There will eventually be a new Zelda game on it....sigh. I know, I know, I played Skyward Sword too.
 
2012-12-23 05:59:44 PM

danknerd: Does anyone have anything positive to say about the Wii U for someone on the fence?


It's an excellent console if you live with someone else. If they want to watch TV while you're playing, you can just continue the game on the controller's screen.
 
2012-12-23 06:00:03 PM
"Oh boo-hoo! Its taking like a full minute for this update to download! Lame!"

This is precisely why people on my Xmas list will be getting a vintage c64 and a stack of 5 1/4 floppies for their gaming needs. THEN they'll know real pain...
 
2012-12-23 06:01:14 PM
This is a giant fail. Next thing you know other Christmas toys will ship with some assembly required. Then parents will be stuck staying up late the night before Christmas setting them up. The travesty.

/think about the children
 
2012-12-23 06:02:15 PM
If the commercials are any indication, it's a piece of crap game system that can only play scrolling platformers.
 
2012-12-23 06:03:14 PM

danknerd: Does anyone have anything positive to say about the Wii U for someone on the fence?


You should still be able to find one in stock. That pretty much tells you all you need to know.
 
2012-12-23 06:03:17 PM

PsyLord: I still see units sitting on the shelf at the local Walmart today. I'm guessing the Wii U is not a must have Xmas present.


Yeah, from what I read, the Xbox is close to outselling both Wiis combined for the holiday season, which us odd because you'd think the Xbox market would long be saturated, but it still keeps selling like crazy. Price-wise it isn't even that much less than the Wii U if you get the Kinect versions, so it's not like people are getting it to save a few bucks.
 
2012-12-23 06:04:30 PM
In the computer industry, we upload data to servers and download updates to personal systems. Subby has it backwards, and stating it backwards is now increasingly common in journalism. Anyone know why?
 
2012-12-23 06:04:44 PM
Actually in the month we've had ours my kids won't allow me to play the old Wii anymore, all they want is Nintendo Land on the WiiU every night (I play while wife cooks dinner). To be honest I've found myself liking the whole separate screen on the controller a lot more than I expected. Means I can play two player easier with my 5 year old, and also walk away to do stuff while we play games together.

The update thing sucks though. I posted this on my FB earlier today saying I bet 5 bucks the servers are gonna tank on xmas day. It wasn't "rage quit" levels when I set it up but it was waaaaaaay to long for what was supposed to be a finished product.
 
2012-12-23 06:05:01 PM

danknerd: Does anyone have anything positive to say about the Wii U for someone on the fence?


Mario U is the best 2d mario nintendo has made since going 3d

Zombi U justifies the 2nd screen, is satisfying to beat, justifies a sequel

has the best version of netflix on a console

miiverse is actually cool

downloads games while you play
 
2012-12-23 06:05:17 PM

danknerd: Does anyone have anything positive to say about the Wii U for someone on the fence?


My kid thinks Superscribblenauts and SMB U are frickin awesome, and is very much looking forward to Pikmin 3. All consoles launch with a few good games and a bunch of weak ass ones, just how it goes. No reason not to wait a few months and get one when there are more and better games.
 
2012-12-23 06:06:35 PM
It's worth noting that this does apply to other systems as well. If you buy a new system, it was probably put in a box prior to the most recent updates.

Granted, the Wii U is missing tons of functionality without the first update, but still...
 
2012-12-23 06:06:40 PM

danknerd: Does anyone have anything positive to say about the Wii U for someone on the fence?


It's unlikely to kill your cat.
 
2012-12-23 06:09:57 PM
Well here's an opportunity to ask you guys something I've been wanting to know.

I've been contemplating getting a console but haven't bought/owned/known jack about them since the SNES days.

What's the best bang for the buck? I'm thinking the X-Box thingy sounds about right because I've been using my PCs for the very little gaming I do.

Essentially I like FPS type stuff (specifically the CoD series... and yeah that I know that makes me sound like a drunken fratboy but screw you... I like shooting Nazis to decompress) but am interested in other formats too if.

I'm also not particularly interested in online gaming. Just like playing the computer. Sooo... what say you oh ever wise and snarky Farkers?
 
2012-12-23 06:10:34 PM
Back in my day...
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2012-12-23 06:11:25 PM
I don't know where that random "if" came from.

derp
 
2012-12-23 06:11:28 PM
So nobody's buying it, but the update servers are still going to get hosed on Xmas day?
 
2012-12-23 06:11:38 PM
UNWRAP IS THE SAME AS UNBOX
 
2012-12-23 06:12:49 PM
Japanese electronics are dying. It's not just Nintendo and videogames. It's Sony, Sharp, Panasonic, Toshiba, and most of the rest.

There was a good segment about this on NPR a few days ago. Management is ageing and unwilling to take risks; the culture doesn't really embrace startups; they're very insular about technology.

Japanese electronics companies are getting their tails kicked by Korean, Taiwanese, even some American companies. And their government is not inclined to let these titans fail, so it well bailout and merge these failing companies until it becomes completely untenable.

What's the last must-have gadget that came out of Japan? The Wii, 7 years ago?

The ageing and decline of that country is very sad.
 
2012-12-23 06:13:16 PM

Mad_Radhu: PsyLord: I still see units sitting on the shelf at the local Walmart today. I'm guessing the Wii U is not a must have Xmas present.

Yeah, from what I read, the Xbox is close to outselling both Wiis combined for the holiday season, which us odd because you'd think the Xbox market would long be saturated, but it still keeps selling like crazy. Price-wise it isn't even that much less than the Wii U if you get the Kinect versions, so it's not like people are getting it to save a few bucks.


If I had to guess, I'd say it's people replacing dead consoles and just moving the hdd over to the new one. I could be wrong of course, but both my ps3 and 360 died after 3-4 years of life, while my Wii has kept right on going.
 
2012-12-23 06:14:23 PM

Singleballtheory: "Oh boo-hoo! Its taking like a full minute for this update to download! Lame!"

This is precisely why people on my Xmas list will be getting a vintage c64 and a stack of 5 1/4 floppies for their gaming needs. THEN they'll know real pain...



Slowest goddamn disk drive ever:

LOAD "*",8,1

*go get some lunch*

*come back and play game*
 
2012-12-23 06:15:20 PM

here to help: Well here's an opportunity to ask you guys something I've been wanting to know.

I've been contemplating getting a console but haven't bought/owned/known jack about them since the SNES days.

What's the best bang for the buck? I'm thinking the X-Box thingy sounds about right because I've been using my PCs for the very little gaming I do.

Essentially I like FPS type stuff (specifically the CoD series... and yeah that I know that makes me sound like a drunken fratboy but screw you... I like shooting Nazis to decompress) but am interested in other formats too if.

I'm also not particularly interested in online gaming. Just like playing the computer. Sooo... what say you oh ever wise and snarky Farkers?


I've been told that the ps3 is generally the best console of the generation. The best exclusives and a large library. The price has come down a lot since 2006.
 
2012-12-23 06:15:41 PM

WhippingBoy: danknerd: Does anyone have anything positive to say about the Wii U for someone on the fence?

You should still be able to find one in stock. That pretty much tells you all you need to know.


Yes, which is that the majority of people buy video game consoles for the utter novelty and have no use for high-quality game hardware and software when some crappy game on the phone achieves the same goals for them.
 
2012-12-23 06:15:53 PM
Tell me about it! I'm am a staunch supporter of "Fresh out of the box" or NOT AT ALL!! That's why when I gave my daughter a new car for her birthday I made sure it was ABSOLUTELY PRISTINE. No gas, no oil... hell, I didn't even put the battery in it!!
 
2012-12-23 06:18:17 PM

elchip: I've been told that the ps3 is generally the best console of the generation. The best exclusives and a large library. The price has come down a lot since 2006.


I actually don't even mind older used consoles because pretty much even stuff from like 5 years ago will likely blow mind mind. Hell... I still play the original CoD and enjoy it... although it is getting a little bring because I've beat it so many times at this point.
 
2012-12-23 06:18:20 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: So nobody's buying it, but the update servers are still going to get hosed on Xmas day?


Do you expect them to spend any more than the absolutely barest amount on servers and bandwidth?
 
2012-12-23 06:18:37 PM

elchip: Japanese electronics are dying. It's not just Nintendo and videogames. It's Sony, Sharp, Panasonic, Toshiba, and most of the rest.

There was a good segment about this on NPR a few days ago. Management is ageing and unwilling to take risks; the culture doesn't really embrace startups; they're very insular about technology.

Japanese electronics companies are getting their tails kicked by Korean, Taiwanese, even some American companies. And their government is not inclined to let these titans fail, so it well bailout and merge these failing companies until it becomes completely untenable.

What's the last must-have gadget that came out of Japan? The Wii, 7 years ago?

The ageing and decline of that country is very sad.


They embraced technology like 1seg way before America even thought about video on a cell phone. It was just four years ago that'd you'd probably say the complete opposite of what you are now.
 
2012-12-23 06:18:52 PM

danknerd: Does anyone have anything positive to say about the Wii U for someone on the fence?

Wish I had something to convince you.

It's just not the hot item it's predecessor was.
 
2012-12-23 06:20:55 PM

Singleballtheory: "Oh boo-hoo! Its taking like a full minute for this update to download! Lame!"


I have seen reports of an hour (plus another half hour for a second update) on a 14mbps connection.
 
2012-12-23 06:22:15 PM
They went from the easiest controller to use to the most complicated. Way to go, Nintendo.
 
2012-12-23 06:22:32 PM

Sneakernets: elchip: Japanese electronics are dying. It's not just Nintendo and videogames. It's Sony, Sharp, Panasonic, Toshiba, and most of the rest.

There was a good segment about this on NPR a few days ago. Management is ageing and unwilling to take risks; the culture doesn't really embrace startups; they're very insular about technology.

Japanese electronics companies are getting their tails kicked by Korean, Taiwanese, even some American companies. And their government is not inclined to let these titans fail, so it well bailout and merge these failing companies until it becomes completely untenable.

What's the last must-have gadget that came out of Japan? The Wii, 7 years ago?

The ageing and decline of that country is very sad.

They embraced technology like 1seg way before America even thought about video on a cell phone. It was just four years ago that'd you'd probably say the complete opposite of what you are now.


And most Japanese people still carry flip phones around.

The fall has been shocking and seemingly fast, but I'm sure the seeds have been planted for some time.
 
2012-12-23 06:22:57 PM

justGreg: This is a giant fail. Next thing you know other Christmas toys will ship with some assembly required. Then parents will be stuck staying up late the night before Christmas setting them up. The travesty.

/think about the children


this.

I remember the good old days when, if you wanted a toy firetruck for Christmas, it didn't need a single bit of prep. I'd open the box on Christmas morning and a brick of unformed plastic and some steel wire (to make my own screws) would fall out. Then mom would fire up the smelter so Uncle Roy could fashion some kind of asbestos molds to create the proper plastic parts.
 
2012-12-23 06:23:08 PM
I bought the Wii U a couple weeks ago, and it is a video game experience like you've never had before. For example, you can flick your fingers across the screen like your dealing cards, and be throwing ninja stars. You can click your accessories on the screen of your controller instead of having to cycle through your gear. 4 other people can have a wii mote and you can have the tablet, where you can see where everyone is at, while they look at the tv, and it's ultimate hide and seek. I don't know, I think it opens up tons of avenues for functionality, rather than being a fad. And it is decently priced.

8/10

Very fun
 
2012-12-23 06:23:43 PM
Wont be buying one till i see the next genration Zelda game. My wii is still collecting dust.
 
2012-12-23 06:24:32 PM
Let me cut through the bullshiat:

Update your WiiU firmware to perma-cripple your ability to mod the system!

/My friend bought three in the first week they were out... he's waiting two years to stick them on eBay for a buy-it-now only price of $1,000.
//He did the same thing with a Wii and a PSP. Bastard's smart.
 
2012-12-23 06:24:39 PM
Anyone who buys a console or computer and doesnt update it before christmas is a dumbass.

However I gather the startup patch is pretty huge in this case.
 
2012-12-23 06:25:16 PM

spiralscratch: Singleballtheory: "Oh boo-hoo! Its taking like a full minute for this update to download! Lame!"

This is precisely why people on my Xmas list will be getting a vintage c64 and a stack of 5 1/4 floppies for their gaming needs. THEN they'll know real pain...


Slowest goddamn disk drive ever:

LOAD "*",8,1

*go get some lunch*

*come back and play game*


Oh and what's that you say? You want to enter a dungeon? Well flip that disk over to side-B sunny boy and take a 45 minute nap. Hope you didn't forget anything back in town!
 
2012-12-23 06:25:53 PM
If only the folks at Nintendo who publish the updates worked for the same company as the folks at Nintendo that package the products and write the documentation. If that were the case, they could request that no major updates be published until after, say Jan 15. Then everyone could enjoy their gadget without complaint for a couple of weeks.
 
2012-12-23 06:25:55 PM
They had a bunch of them at the store I was at today.  Either Nintendo did a good job with production or nobody is buying the thing.
 
2012-12-23 06:26:36 PM

Bacontastesgood: danknerd: Does anyone have anything positive to say about the Wii U for someone on the fence?

My kid thinks Superscribblenauts and SMB U are frickin awesome, and is very much looking forward to Pikmin 3. All consoles launch with a few good games and a bunch of weak ass ones, just how it goes. No reason not to wait a few months and get one when there are more and better games.


Hey, in the not too distant past there were consoles launching with less than 10 games of even less than 5 games. The N64 only launched with Mario 64 and Pilotwings 64. Both were great games for their time but I'm fairly certain the limited of launch titles hurt the system. In a sense the Saturn launch was even worse with only 6 games but it was months before any more showed up because SEGA decided to bump up the launch date as a surprise and developers weren't ready to release anything they were working on.

Even if some of the games are updated ports at least some of the time we are getting some kind of an actual selection at launch these days.

Mad_Radhu: PsyLord: I still see units sitting on the shelf at the local Walmart today. I'm guessing the Wii U is not a must have Xmas present.

Yeah, from what I read, the Xbox is close to outselling both Wiis combined for the holiday season, which us odd because you'd think the Xbox market would long be saturated, but it still keeps selling like crazy. Price-wise it isn't even that much less than the Wii U if you get the Kinect versions, so it's not like people are getting it to save a few bucks.


Obviously it isn't going to account for all the sales but I do wonder how many of the 360s being sold are people taking advantage of various sales to either replace a broken earlier model 360 or to replace something like the arcade model because they want one with a hard drive. I know a lot of that went on with the PS2 for awhile when certain models had trouble with a plastic gear for the drive breaking. Also, it isn't exactly unheard of for an existing system to outsell a newer system when it launches near the holidays. You have the combination of a much wider selection of games available, cheaper prices on many of the games, different holiday bundles and sales, and usually a hard cap on supplies of the new system while an existing system may have built up a stockpile of units for sale during the holidays.
 
2012-12-23 06:28:21 PM
Welcome to the 2012 version of putting batteries in toys that required them but not included.
 
2012-12-23 06:28:35 PM
My Atari 2600 didn't need to be updated before I could use it. Not one single firmware update in all the years I used it. No load times, either. Just flip the power and it was ready to rock.

Arumat: If I had to guess, I'd say it's people replacing dead consoles and just moving the hdd over to the new one. I could be wrong of course, but both my ps3 and 360 died after 3-4 years of life, while my Wii has kept right on going.


That seems like a reasonable assumption. If someone already has a PS3 or XB360 that's acting up, the U doesn't really provide any incentive for abandoning their existing library of games and accessories.
 
2012-12-23 06:29:18 PM

dslknowitall: Actually in the month we've had ours my kids won't allow me to play the old Wii anymore, all they want is Nintendo Land on the WiiU every night (I play while wife cooks dinner). To be honest I've found myself liking the whole separate screen on the controller a lot more than I expected. Means I can play two player easier with my 5 year old, and also walk away to do stuff while we play games together.

The update thing sucks though. I posted this on my FB earlier today saying I bet 5 bucks the servers are gonna tank on xmas day. It wasn't "rage quit" levels when I set it up but it was waaaaaaay to long for what was supposed to be a finished product.


So this year everyone will be up Xmas Eve downloading updates,
...until the servers crash at least!
 
2012-12-23 06:29:56 PM

1000 Ways to Dye: It's worth noting that this does apply to other systems as well. If you buy a new system, it was probably put in a box prior to the most recent updates.


You're telling me.  I recently repurchased my PS3 (last one got stolen) and it felt like I went thru over an hour of updates before I could play anything recent.  Hell, most games I picked up nowadays always require an update.
 
2012-12-23 06:32:52 PM
Where is the PS4 .... where?

/ pissed off Sony sotckholder
// not as pissed off as all the 20-somethings with SONY points Visa cards
 
2012-12-23 06:32:53 PM

bob_ross: Eh the Wii was fun for a hot minute.  Only game that was memorable was 4p Mario with the neighbors.  Probably never buying another Nintendo system again.

/SFC was the best system ever though.


I feel you but I also think that with the increased resolution afforded by the WiiU will make playing what are known as Wii type games less of a chore unto themselves. Which is what prevented me from playing some of the great games the Wii had, it looked like shiat on all my monitors and TVs, couldn't read the text from the couch. But the first party and a fair amount of RPGs as I see it, are excellent. And I'm okay with that. Especially if I can play them on the gamepad exclusively (maybe? hopefully? :), I tend to wind down the night playing some mario on the 3ds anyways so bringing a more robust Nintendo experience to the couch would be great.
 
2012-12-23 06:35:08 PM
Why dont those lazy assholes update it before they ship it? WTF? I have thought on and off about a wii but knowing the company is too lazy to even make sure an up to date unit is shipped doesnt make me eager to buy one.
 
2012-12-23 06:35:11 PM

Mad_Radhu: PsyLord: I still see units sitting on the shelf at the local Walmart today. I'm guessing the Wii U is not a must have Xmas present.

Yeah, from what I read, the Xbox is close to outselling both Wiis combined for the holiday season, which us odd because you'd think the Xbox market would long be saturated, but it still keeps selling like crazy. Price-wise it isn't even that much less than the Wii U if you get the Kinect versions, so it's not like people are getting it to save a few bucks.


Yeah everyone I know has had bad luck with longevity and the X-Box. I don't understand what happened I still have an original Nintendo my brother and I got for Xmas in 1986 that still works fine, not to mention my SNES from the early 90's. I'm guessing it probably has to do with planned obsolescence and or the use of the cheapest components available.
 
2012-12-23 06:37:23 PM

elchip:
I've been told that the ps3 is generally the best console of the generation. The best exclusives and a large library. The price has come down a lot since 2006.


It's a great blu-ray player. Pretty much all we use it for.
 
2012-12-23 06:39:15 PM
I hope I'm not jinxing myself by saying this, but my Dreamcast is still alive and well, too. I still fire it up occasionally to play Record of Lodoss War. I wonder if Sega raided the Nintendium mines when they were manufacturing that particular console.
 
2012-12-23 06:40:57 PM

spiralscratch: Singleballtheory: "Oh boo-hoo! Its taking like a full minute for this update to download! Lame!"

This is precisely why people on my Xmas list will be getting a vintage c64 and a stack of 5 1/4 floppies for their gaming needs. THEN they'll know real pain...


Slowest goddamn disk drive ever:

LOAD "*",8,1

*go get some lunch*

*come back and play game*


I'm willing to kick in my old Atari 800 with the cassette drive.
 
2012-12-23 06:41:38 PM

gaspode: Anyone who buys a console or computer and doesnt update it before christmas is a dumbass.

However I gather the startup patch is pretty huge in this case.


This.

The same goes for buying handheld electronics and not charging the battery first. Nothing like having a kid open up a DS/psp/tablet and having to wait 12 hours for the battery to fully charge before they can play with it.
 
2012-12-23 06:42:39 PM
1000 Ways to Dye: It's worth noting that this does apply to other systems as well. If you buy a new system, it was probably put in a box prior to the most recent updates

The difference is that the updates for the 360 or PS3 aren't humongous.

// Ok, the PS3 update takes a little while, but no where near what the WiiU takes. And xbox updates don't even give you enough time to go to the bathroom before they're done.
 
2012-12-23 06:49:21 PM

RogermcAllen: gaspode: Anyone who buys a console or computer and doesnt update it before christmas is a dumbass.

However I gather the startup patch is pretty huge in this case.

This.

The same goes for buying handheld electronics and not charging the battery first. Nothing like having a kid open up a DS/psp/tablet and having to wait 12 hours for the battery to fully charge before they can play with it.


My father is 75, and I usually do it with his gifts too. I got him a basic laptop last year to use on the couch, and preloaded Ubuntu and configured his wireless before wrapping it.
 
2012-12-23 06:51:38 PM

lordargent: 1000 Ways to Dye: It's worth noting that this does apply to other systems as well. If you buy a new system, it was probably put in a box prior to the most recent updates

The difference is that the updates for the 360 or PS3 aren't humongous.

// Ok, the PS3 update takes a little while, but no where near what the WiiU takes. And xbox updates don't even give you enough time to go to the bathroom before they're done.



Have you never seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ8NhxD0-Ek
 
2012-12-23 06:56:46 PM
dslknowitall : Have you never seen this?

Like I said, PS3 updates take a while. Although I own one, I'm not a big fan of said console. (I bought on the cheap from someone who didn't use it, so that I could play a small handful of exclusives).

// my favorite is how after you've downloaded a demo, you then have to INSTALL the demo in order to play it. The PS3 has some really farked up file management going on.
 
2012-12-23 06:57:55 PM

danknerd: Does anyone have anything positive to say about the Wii U for someone on the fence?


I was skeptical about the tablet controller, but it's not just a gimmick, and adds some nice gameplay innovations.

The kids really like Super Mario Bros. U, and Nintendoland.

If you have a large Wii library, you can still play those games on the Wii U. Your game save files, WiiWare purchases and any WiiWarecredits you might have can be transferred to the Wii U, but the data is deleted from the Wii when you do so. Our Wii's optical drive was starting to make funny noises, so it was a no-brainer to transfer everything over to the Wii U.

I haven't bothered playing with the Wii U much, too much time occupied by X-COM and Borderlands 2. When Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate is released, I might kick the kids off the Wii U for a while, or maybe I'll buy the 3DS version (...and a 3DS).
 
2012-12-23 06:58:22 PM

elchip: What's the last must-have gadget that came out of Japan? The Wii, 7 years ago?

The ageing and decline of that country is very sad.


I think the declining spelling ability of the US population is sadder.

/aging
 
2012-12-23 07:06:34 PM

OregonVet: Meh, never give a gift that isn't ready out of the box. Hell, even an Ipad needs to suck on the corporate teat before being 100% the first time it's turned on.


Charge it up but dont register it to your account, that's just rude. Unless it's going to your kid, then you want them on your account, so you can watch what they do.

I like to put batteries in toys before wrapping them and charge anything that needs charging. Its a lot of work but makes Christmas morning and birthday parties much more enjoyable.

And every parent with a child under the age of 10 should have a pair of these at the ready on Christmas morning, to get into the damn packages:

www.jewelrytools.com
 
2012-12-23 07:07:07 PM
1. Don't really see the big deal. The first thing you do with any electronics today -- Blu-ray player, A/V receiver, TV, etc. -- is check for a firmware update.

2. Does the update really take that long that the kids cannot do it on X-mas morning?
 
2012-12-23 07:07:17 PM
"Dad, my Wii is not ready to play yet."

"JESUS, give it a farking minute, won't you?"

www.laughspin.com
 
2012-12-23 07:07:34 PM
ZombiU is really really fun. The games that let you play the full game on the Gamepad controller are also awesome. I also really like the Amazon Prime video feature that lets me hit a button to switch from the TV to the controller and take it with me to the living room. While watching the video on the TV the controller also displays IMDB information, which is awesome for those 'who the fark is that' moments.

Very happy with mine and think there's two more games under the tree.
 
2012-12-23 07:07:56 PM

danknerd: Does anyone have anything positive to say about the Wii U for someone on the fence?


I was skeptical, but picked one up because I am a casual gamer, a huge geek, and was curious.

It is unlike anything I have seen before. I have all 3 systems, and am blown away by the initial implementation of the control scheme. You really have to spend an hour with it to really get it, but then you will love it. I would say it has paid for itself already just from the drunken shenanigans with friends.

Little Inferno is... well um... yeah.
 
2012-12-23 07:08:24 PM

Akbar the Trappiste Monk: "Dad, my Wii is not ready to play yet."

"JESUS, give it a farking minute, won't you?"


Perfect
 
2012-12-23 07:10:38 PM
We got a Wii U. I was kind of skeptical, since I hadn't really read glowing reviews about it, but our kids are young and really wanted one since you can password protect your Mii (youngest is terrible about deleting save files.) We've already updated it (took about an hour or so,) and got the new Mario game for it. Haven't really seen much I'm interested in game wise yet, though. :/
 
2012-12-23 07:11:14 PM
Guess I know what I'll be doing tonight once the kids are asleep.
 
2012-12-23 07:12:05 PM

Arumat: I hope I'm not jinxing myself by saying this, but my Dreamcast is still alive and well, too. I still fire it up occasionally to play Record of Lodoss War. I wonder if Sega raided the Nintendium mines when they were manufacturing that particular console.


I beat rolw every year. I think I'll go mage-build this time.
 
2012-12-23 07:14:56 PM
Have all the Nintendo fanboys died of Diabetes II yet?
 
2012-12-23 07:17:35 PM

here to help: I'm also not particularly interested in online gaming. Just like playing the computer. Sooo... what say you oh ever wise and snarky Farkers?


I'm not sure if you got a reply for this yet or not, but I'd stick with the computer..
 
2012-12-23 07:17:52 PM

p4p3rm4t3: Back in my day...
[img339.imageshack.us image 800x592]


Were they made by Nintendo, too?
 
2012-12-23 07:31:19 PM
I love my Wii-U.. Console is fun as shiat and ZombiU is the best survival horror game I've ever played..
 
2012-12-23 07:31:33 PM
"Download" or perhaps "Update," but not "Upload" :)
 
2012-12-23 07:33:12 PM
Heh.... I've done that before with tech gifts.

Just wrapping up the installs on my son's new PC, too... he's still going to wait for all of his personal stuff to get transferred, but it's mostly complete and has all of the steam games he's recorded time with installed already, too.

Last year I updated the firmware on a Blu-ray player before giving it to my brother-in-law.
 
2012-12-23 07:36:51 PM

BeerGraduate: here to help: I'm also not particularly interested in online gaming. Just like playing the computer. Sooo... what say you oh ever wise and snarky Farkers?

I'm not sure if you got a reply for this yet or not, but I'd stick with the computer..


Yeah, figured Farkers would be all over that one. Oh well. Maybe I should just look around for USB controllers or something. I'm guessing PC games are still cheaper than console games anyway.
 
2012-12-23 07:38:34 PM
Any electronics such as toys must be tested thoroughly before handing them over to the kids anyway... obviously. :)
 
2012-12-23 07:44:09 PM

spawn73: danknerd: Does anyone have anything positive to say about the Wii U for someone on the fence?

It's unlikely to kill your cat.


This isn't as useful as one might think. If your console of choice is a Wii there is no pussy anywhere near your house anyway.
 
2012-12-23 07:45:09 PM
Hell, I just now got Mario Party 9. You kiddin' me?
 
2012-12-23 07:45:11 PM

here to help: Well here's an opportunity to ask you guys something I've been wanting to know.

I've been contemplating getting a console but haven't bought/owned/known jack about them since the SNES days.

What's the best bang for the buck? I'm thinking the X-Box thingy sounds about right because I've been using my PCs for the very little gaming I do.

Essentially I like FPS type stuff (specifically the CoD series... and yeah that I know that makes me sound like a drunken fratboy but screw you... I like shooting Nazis to decompress) but am interested in other formats too if.

I'm also not particularly interested in online gaming. Just like playing the computer. Sooo... what say you oh ever wise and snarky Farkers?


Wii: Good first party games, but 98% of third party games are shovelware. The system and games are cheap, if you're on a budget.

PS3: The online play is free and without ads, and no additional fees to use Hulu Plus or Netflix. Playstation Plus is $50 a year, but you get a bunch of free AAA titles right out the gate, and new free games every week. Awesome exclusive games like inFamous, Uncharted, God Of War, Little Big Planet, Ratchet & Clank, and Journey.

360: Don't have, so no comment.
 
2012-12-23 07:49:44 PM

here to help: Yeah, figured Farkers would be all over that one. Oh well. Maybe I should just look around for USB controllers or something. I'm guessing PC games are still cheaper than console games anyway.


Look for the 'Logitech Dual Action' for a versatile/durable/compatible controller (similar to ps2).
As far as FPS, nothing beats mouse and keyboard.
 
2012-12-23 07:49:47 PM
 
2012-12-23 07:50:20 PM

justGreg: This is a giant fail. Next thing you know other Christmas toys will ship with some assembly required. Then parents will be stuck staying up late the night before Christmas setting them up. The travesty.


So don't buy the latest gadgets from iKea..,

FTFA's comments:

done and done.
even installed Mario U for the kids before packing it back up


You get a console system which needs updates and needs to have games installed? Why not get a pc? All the supposed benefits of a console are gone. You have updates, installs, loading times and I wouldn't be surprised if there are viruses out there aimed at modified consoles in order to snoop on credit card information.

/piccer.nl
 
2012-12-23 07:51:37 PM

lordargent: 1000 Ways to Dye: It's worth noting that this does apply to other systems as well. If you buy a new system, it was probably put in a box prior to the most recent updates

The difference is that the updates for the 360 or PS3 aren't humongous.

// Ok, the PS3 update takes a little while, but no where near what the WiiU takes. And xbox updates don't even give you enough time to go to the bathroom before they're done.


I have a pretty fast connection, so my PS3 updates usually take just 5 minutes. There hasn't been as many updates lately as there was in the past, so I got that going for me.
 
2012-12-23 07:55:35 PM
To be honest I have a massive amount of schadenfreude for the Wii U. They released a platform that is only a minuscule hardware upgrade to the Xbox and PS3 while rehashing very simplistic games that have been done so many times before. Then they try and avoid scrutiny by pretending they somehow aren't really competing with anyone but themselves. This is not what most people want for the future of gaming. If developers devote resources for games that run on the lowest common denominator and that is equivalent to 5 year old technology then this is not good for the industry. If Nintendo was the only major gaming platform the industry would be looking at another crash circa 1983. Although as it stands Nintendo very well could go the way of Sega and the Dreamcast; release early with comparatively underpowered hardware and face doom two years laters.
 
2012-12-23 08:00:35 PM

peterthx: elchip: What's the last must-have gadget that came out of Japan? The Wii, 7 years ago?

The ageing and decline of that country is very sad.

I think the declining spelling ability of the US population is sadder.

/aging


Merriam-Webster says either will suffice, sorry in advance for the mobile link.

I've been typing in this thread with Swype, give me a little leeway :)
 
2012-12-23 08:01:47 PM
Pii-U.
 
2012-12-23 08:02:38 PM

Smackledorfer: Arumat: I hope I'm not jinxing myself by saying this, but my Dreamcast is still alive and well, too. I still fire it up occasionally to play Record of Lodoss War. I wonder if Sega raided the Nintendium mines when they were manufacturing that particular console.

I beat rolw every year. I think I'll go mage-build this time.


And that's exactly how I feel about Xenogears.
 
2012-12-23 08:07:54 PM

MayoSlather: To be honest I have a massive amount of schadenfreude for the Wii U. They released a platform that is only a minuscule hardware upgrade to the Xbox and PS3 while rehashing very simplistic games that have been done so many times before. Then they try and avoid scrutiny by pretending they somehow aren't really competing with anyone but themselves. This is not what most people want for the future of gaming. If developers devote resources for games that run on the lowest common denominator and that is equivalent to 5 year old technology then this is not good for the industry. If Nintendo was the only major gaming platform the industry would be looking at another crash circa 1983. Although as it stands Nintendo very well could go the way of Sega and the Dreamcast; release early with comparatively underpowered hardware and face doom two years laters.


Sega crashed and burned because they released on crappy gimmick after another.

The Activator? Think of the Kinect, but 20 years earlier and 20 times sh*ttier.
Sega CD? FMV + QTEs = SCD.
32X? You mean, I get to pay $150 so my Genesis games look slightly better? What a bargain!
Nomad? Hope you like changing your batteries every 2 hours!
Saturn? Paying $100 more than a PlayStation and getting almost no games at launch is SO AWESOME!
 
2012-12-23 08:10:14 PM

jst3p: spawn73: danknerd: Does anyone have anything positive to say about the Wii U for someone on the fence?

It's unlikely to kill your cat.

This isn't as useful as one might think. If your console of choice is a Wii there is no pussy anywhere near your house anyway.


A. Women who game on a hardcore level won't care if you have a wii.

B. Women who are casual may prefer a wii.

C. Women who don't game at all won't know.

D. Men who have what women really want can afford multiple systems.

I can't think of any type of female I've dated or met who would base their decision on type of console.

I can tell how little you know about the ladies for saying that though :P
 
2012-12-23 08:13:25 PM

BeerGraduate: Look for the 'Logitech Dual Action' for a versatile/durable/compatible controller (similar to ps2).
As far as FPS, nothing beats mouse and keyboard.


Right on. I'm a trackball guy myself and I am good with that and the keys but sometimes I wanna flop out on the couch and play if I'm burnt or my back is messing with me. Kind of why I wanted a console. I also don't really wanna clog my PC registry with too much gamer crud because I'm not sure if it will screw up my fancy work programs (they're finicky as all hell) but I can just create rollback points in case things get weird. Not sure how I'd work the cabling though.

Meh. I'll figure it out. Cheers.
 
2012-12-23 08:13:34 PM

MayoSlather: Although as it stands Nintendo very well could go the way of Sega and the Dreamcast; release early with comparatively underpowered hardware and face doom two years laters


Or maybe Nintendo has a different idea of what to do with gaming, instead of worrying about how shiny the water is they worry about how people actually play games and the various ways games can be played. Given the mountains of cash they have and that the Wii, not sure about WiiU, console sold at a profit from day one, seems they're doing something right.
 
2012-12-23 08:13:57 PM

MayoSlather: To be honest I have a massive amount of schadenfreude for the Wii U. They released a platform that is only a minuscule hardware upgrade to the Xbox and PS3 while rehashing very simplistic games that have been done so many times before. Then they try and avoid scrutiny by pretending they somehow aren't really competing with anyone but themselves. This is not what most people want for the future of gaming. If developers devote resources for games that run on the lowest common denominator and that is equivalent to 5 year old technology then this is not good for the industry. If Nintendo was the only major gaming platform the industry would be looking at another crash circa 1983. Although as it stands Nintendo very well could go the way of Sega and the Dreamcast; release early with comparatively underpowered hardware and face doom two years laters.


So you are saying the wiiu may become one of my favorite systems? I will buy one today.
 
2012-12-23 08:16:06 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: PS3: The online play is free and without ads, and no additional fees to use Hulu Plus or Netflix. Playstation Plus is $50 a year, but you get a bunch of free AAA titles right out the gate, and new free games every week. Awesome exclusive games like inFamous, Uncharted, God Of War, Little Big Planet, Ratchet & Clank, and Journey.


hmm... that'd be nice.
 
2012-12-23 08:18:52 PM
FuryOfFirestorm: The Activator?

U force was before the Activator (but it was 3rd party, so it doesn't count).

dsmedia.ign.com

Then sega took that whole "Infra Red" idea and went full retard with it.

dsmedia.ign.com
 
2012-12-23 08:27:13 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: Playstation Plus is $50 a year, but you get a bunch of free AAA titles right out the gate, and new free games every week. Awesome exclusive games like inFamous, Uncharted, God Of War, Little Big Planet, Ratchet & Clank, and Journey.


The inclusion of both the Vita and PS3 games in this is what sold me on finally getting Playstation Plus. The inclusion of most of the best titles on the Vita side didn't hurt any, either. Now I just need more storage on both the Vita and PS3.

/60 gig PS3
//8 gig Vita memory card
///Stupid things are too expensive
 
2012-12-23 08:27:29 PM
Yup. No problems like first world problems.
 
2012-12-23 08:28:17 PM

Smackledorfer: jst3p: spawn73: danknerd: Does anyone have anything positive to say about the Wii U for someone on the fence?

It's unlikely to kill your cat.

This isn't as useful as one might think. If your console of choice is a Wii there is no pussy anywhere near your house anyway.

A. Women who game on a hardcore level won't care if you have a wii.

B. Women who are casual may prefer a wii.

C. Women who don't game at all won't know.

D. Men who have what women really want can afford multiple systems.

I can't think of any type of female I've dated or met who would base their decision on type of console.

I can tell how little you know about the ladies for saying that though :P


I was just going for the joke.
 
2012-12-23 08:30:49 PM

here to help: FuryOfFirestorm: PS3: The online play is free and without ads, and no additional fees to use Hulu Plus or Netflix. Playstation Plus is $50 a year, but you get a bunch of free AAA titles right out the gate, and new free games every week. Awesome exclusive games like inFamous, Uncharted, God Of War, Little Big Planet, Ratchet & Clank, and Journey.

hmm... that'd be nice.


Also, you can get the NFL Sunday ticket on the PS3 and it is a decent blu-ray player.


Santa is bringing me one, odd thing is I don't play console games much. Not bagging on console gamers, I just have very limited time and the PC is my rig of choice.
 
2012-12-23 08:32:01 PM
Hmm, really not seeing what the big deal is.
 
2012-12-23 08:33:05 PM

buckler: If the commercials are any indication, it's a piece of crap game system that can only play scrolling platformers.


danknerd: Does anyone have anything positive to say about the Wii U for someone on the fence?


Not sure if serious, but the hardware is certainly more powerful than the X-Box 360 and PS3. Yes I'm aware that's not saying a whole lot since those are older consoles, but it appears Nintendo may have changed their outlook a bit. A lot of games that in previous years would normally be for just X-Box 360 and PS3 look like they are going to get a Wii U edition also. Having a system that plays all the great Nintendo exclusives you expect like Mario, Zelda, Pikmin, etc and also having games like Mass Effect 3, Assassin's Creed, Ninja Gaiden, and Tekken Tag Tournament is now a reality.
 
2012-12-23 08:36:52 PM
I'm waiting for the PS4

/Nephew txts me updates every week lol
 
2012-12-23 08:37:16 PM

SpiritualRemains: FuryOfFirestorm: Playstation Plus is $50 a year, but you get a bunch of free AAA titles right out the gate, and new free games every week. Awesome exclusive games like inFamous, Uncharted, God Of War, Little Big Planet, Ratchet & Clank, and Journey.

The inclusion of both the Vita and PS3 games in this is what sold me on finally getting Playstation Plus. The inclusion of most of the best titles on the Vita side didn't hurt any, either. Now I just need more storage on both the Vita and PS3.

/60 gig PS3
//8 gig Vita memory card
///Stupid things are too expensive


One of the perks of PlayStation Plus is free cloud storage. I also free up space on my HD by erasing games that I finished/Platinumed or don't play anymore. Make sure you erase both the saved game and the installed game data.
 
2012-12-23 08:38:17 PM

WhyteRaven74: MayoSlather: Although as it stands Nintendo very well could go the way of Sega and the Dreamcast; release early with comparatively underpowered hardware and face doom two years laters

Or maybe Nintendo has a different idea of what to do with gaming, instead of worrying about how shiny the water is they worry about how people actually play games and the various ways games can be played. Given the mountains of cash they have and that the Wii, not sure about WiiU, console sold at a profit from day one, seems they're doing something right.


A different idea like releasing titles that are almost exactly the same as titles that were on the last console and the console before that?  The only thing they are doing right is marketing to kids, which is more dumb luck via their culture than an actual plan.  However they are trying to release the Wii U like it's something all gamers should pay attention to when in reality it is DOA, and has rehashed games and ports that look very similar to current consoles.  Nostalgia and name recognition are the only things keeping Nintendo in business.

And they are not making a profit yet.  They are making more than they are losing per unit, but they have a ways to go before recovering development costs.
 
2012-12-23 08:39:33 PM

Singleballtheory: "Oh boo-hoo! Its taking like a full minute for this update to download! Lame!"

This is precisely why people on my Xmas list will be getting a vintage c64 and a stack of 5 1/4 floppies for their gaming needs Dwarf Fortress. THEN they'll know real pain...


/FTFY
//damn you secretive moody dwarf, you have all the shiat you're muttering about right there at your disposal
///yet you just sit there waiting to go berserk...
 
2012-12-23 08:40:51 PM
I just powered off my XBOX 360 after a 2 hour long session of killing zombies in Black Ops 2 so I'm getting a kick.
 
2012-12-23 08:56:19 PM

ParaHandy: In the computer industry, we upload data to servers and download updates to personal systems. Subby has it backwards, and stating it backwards is now increasingly common in journalism. Anyone know why?


It's probably somebody that used to use download for everything, but ran into you or me, and is now overcompensating.

However in this case, I suspect it was a flub of the word update.

The worst is once you get a newb past upload/download and try to introduce copy.

So I don't download songs to my ipod?
Well, maybe. Did it go from teh internet straight to your ipod?
No, it's from my collection.
Then no, you copied it to your ipod.
So I uploaded it then?
Ehhhhhh.. you could make a tortured argument, but no, not really.
But I don't copy from apple to my ipod?
Well, you download a copy, which is a way of making a copy, but you don't say you're copying it.
So apple is uploading me a copy?
Ehhhhhh.. you could make the argument, but no, they're allowing you to download it.
I love it when you're pedantic. Take me now!
 
2012-12-23 09:01:37 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: One of the perks of PlayStation Plus is free cloud storage.


Yeah, I've been making use of that obsessively after losing about three hours of work on Persona 4: Golden when I set down the Vita on my desk and it managed to unseat the memory card enough that the Vita had to be rebooted and my save data for Persona got corrupted. Thankfully, Persona has a fast forward function that it only took about 30 minutes to get back to where I was.

/wasn't even saving at the time
 
2012-12-23 09:14:17 PM
the Geek column is over three to the right, Subby McFail. how i loathe game playing of the console/virtual sort. grow up. got a Wii for Xmas last year, some special edition thing. it's still in the box untouched. i'm an adult.
 
2012-12-23 09:20:58 PM

KrispyKritter: got a Wii for Xmas last year, some special edition thing. it's still in the box untouched. i'm an adult.


You couldn't figure out how to jump over the first Goomba, could you?
 
2012-12-23 09:27:41 PM
fark Kotaku. They are a cancer on videogames.
 
2012-12-23 09:32:51 PM
You a own a Vita you are farking stupid.
 
2012-12-23 09:36:45 PM

MayoSlather: WhyteRaven74: MayoSlather: Although as it stands Nintendo very well could go the way of Sega and the Dreamcast; release early with comparatively underpowered hardware and face doom two years laters

Or maybe Nintendo has a different idea of what to do with gaming, instead of worrying about how shiny the water is they worry about how people actually play games and the various ways games can be played. Given the mountains of cash they have and that the Wii, not sure about WiiU, console sold at a profit from day one, seems they're doing something right.

A different idea like releasing titles that are almost exactly the same as titles that were on the last console and the console before that?


I look forward to all those innovative lauch titles for the next Xbox/PS3, like the next Madden, Halo, and Call of Duty.
 
2012-12-23 09:48:24 PM

here to help: I've been contemplating getting a console but haven't bought/owned/known jack about them since the SNES days.


Buy a tablet.
 
2012-12-23 09:50:18 PM
F U !!!! IF ANY OF YOU MOTHERFARKERS UPDATES ANY OF MY FARKING HARDWARE, EVEN BEFORE GIVING IT TO ME, I WILL FARKING KILL YOU!
 
2012-12-23 09:54:09 PM
That's the plan: The pink and blue controllers are being wrapped and going under the tree. The Wii U itself will be plugged into a UPS (if a power interruption of the update process happens, you have a brick), concealed in the stereo tower, and updated on Christmas Eve, then Lego Star Wars Complete Saga stuck in it and turned off. May daughter and son will get to find out what those controllers are for after breakfast.
 
2012-12-23 09:58:16 PM
Sczi : But I don't copy from apple to my ipod?
Well, you download a copy, which is a way of making a copy, but you don't say you're copying it.
So apple is uploading me a copy?
Ehhhhhh.. you could make the argument, but no, they're allowing you to download it.
I love it when you're pedantic. Take me now!


Just use the word transfer, covers all bases.
 
2012-12-23 09:59:38 PM

MayoSlather: To be honest I have a massive amount of schadenfreude for the Wii U. They released a platform that is only a minuscule hardware upgrade to the Xbox and PS3 while rehashing very simplistic games that have been done so many times before. Then they try and avoid scrutiny by pretending they somehow aren't really competing with anyone but themselves. This is not what most people want for the future of gaming. If developers devote resources for games that run on the lowest common denominator and that is equivalent to 5 year old technology then this is not good for the industry. If Nintendo was the only major gaming platform the industry would be looking at another crash circa 1983. Although as it stands Nintendo very well could go the way of Sega and the Dreamcast; release early with comparatively underpowered hardware and face doom two years laters.


I have a massive amount of shadenwhatdafuq over consoles in general. Why everyone else is crying over how the Wii has awesome hardware specs for five years ago and biatching about having to update, I'm having a load of fun playing FTL on my crappy five year old PC and thinking that game might have been the best $7 I ever spent.

And like any REALLY good game, it would seriously suck to have to play it using a gamepad.

If I wanted a game controller with a built-in screen then I would play games on my iPhone.
 
2012-12-23 10:02:18 PM
I went to a Wii U preview a few months ago and had a chance to test it out.

It was meh. Looks like Nintendo tried to pack too much stuff into one package. I definitely won't be getting one.
 
2012-12-23 10:02:38 PM

MayoSlather: WhyteRaven74: MayoSlather: Although as it stands Nintendo very well could go the way of Sega and the Dreamcast; release early with comparatively underpowered hardware and face doom two years laters

Or maybe Nintendo has a different idea of what to do with gaming, instead of worrying about how shiny the water is they worry about how people actually play games and the various ways games can be played. Given the mountains of cash they have and that the Wii, not sure about WiiU, console sold at a profit from day one, seems they're doing something right.

A different idea like releasing titles that are almost exactly the same as titles that were on the last console and the console before that?  The only thing they are doing right is marketing to kids, which is more dumb luck via their culture than an actual plan.  However they are trying to release the Wii U like it's something all gamers should pay attention to when in reality it is DOA, and has rehashed games and ports that look very similar to current consoles.  Nostalgia and name recognition are the only things keeping Nintendo in business.

And they are not making a profit yet.  They are making more than they are losing per unit, but they have a ways to go before recovering development costs.


Have you even touched a Wii U? No snark. You make it sound like they are doing the same mistakes they did with the Gamecube and Wii. Which is to market only family friendly, very PG content. The Wii U has Black Ops 2 at launch as well as one hell of a freaky zombie attack game, Assassins Creed, Mass Effect 3. In other words, they want a huge chunk of the adult gaming market, this go around, and with the innovation that having a second gaming screen (think, no more HUDs on your TV, or maps in the corner etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.) But we will see.

I am not a "fanboy", by any means. Just speaking from my experience with actually playing it
 
2012-12-23 10:04:42 PM
It is just a suggestion, not really mandatory. Non-story.
 
2012-12-23 10:05:12 PM

I've been told that the ps3 is generally the best console of the generation. The best exclusives and a large library. The price has come down a lot since 2006.


Having owned both an Xbox 360 and a PS3, I'm not sure really has an advantage over the other game-wise, but blu-ray is what tipped it for me and lead me to sell my 360 for a PS3.
 
2012-12-23 10:05:26 PM
The 360 has become a hit with the casual market and is attracting a lot of new consumers with the kinect, that's where it's late life sales are coming from.
 
2012-12-23 10:11:00 PM

snowshovel: MayoSlather: WhyteRaven74: MayoSlather: Although as it stands Nintendo very well could go the way of Sega and the Dreamcast; release early with comparatively underpowered hardware and face doom two years laters

Or maybe Nintendo has a different idea of what to do with gaming, instead of worrying about how shiny the water is they worry about how people actually play games and the various ways games can be played. Given the mountains of cash they have and that the Wii, not sure about WiiU, console sold at a profit from day one, seems they're doing something right.

A different idea like releasing titles that are almost exactly the same as titles that were on the last console and the console before that?

I look forward to all those innovative lauch titles for the next Xbox/PS3, like the next Madden, Halo, and Call of Duty.


Nintendo hadn't had a new game formula since Wii Sports, and that was their first original game formula since Metroid Prime.

Third party developers have released Gears of War, Resistance, Mass Effect, Assassins Creed, Red Dead, Far Cry, Borderlands, Uncharted, Bioshock, Arkham Asylum/City, Dead Space, Hitman, God of War... And how many of those were by Japanese developers?
 
2012-12-23 10:12:29 PM

Hard Harry: Mad_Radhu: PsyLord: I still see units sitting on the shelf at the local Walmart today. I'm guessing the Wii U is not a must have Xmas present.

Yeah, from what I read, the Xbox is close to outselling both Wiis combined for the holiday season, which us odd because you'd think the Xbox market would long be saturated, but it still keeps selling like crazy. Price-wise it isn't even that much less than the Wii U if you get the Kinect versions, so it's not like people are getting it to save a few bucks.

Yeah everyone I know has had bad luck with longevity and the X-Box. I don't understand what happened I still have an original Nintendo my brother and I got for Xmas in 1986 that still works fine, not to mention my SNES from the early 90's. I'm guessing it probably has to do with planned obsolescence and or the use of the cheapest components available.


The newer consoles have motors and lasers as well as a much larger power consumption along with the resultant heat. The old ones were had nothing fancier than printed circuit boards and integrated circuits.
 
2012-12-23 10:13:16 PM
This thread brings me back. I miss the console wars.

If the WiiU had blu-ray id have one already, since it doesnt im contemplating getting a PS3. :-/
 
2012-12-23 10:13:23 PM
So, Nintendo is doing the most honorable thing in warning people to update it before giving to someone else and everybody is butthurt.

Yes, consoles and PC's and games and stuff need updates OMG.

Haters are gonna hate

/welcometofark.jpg
 
2012-12-23 10:14:17 PM

SpiritualRemains: FuryOfFirestorm: Playstation Plus is $50 a year, but you get a bunch of free AAA titles right out the gate, and new free games every week. Awesome exclusive games like inFamous, Uncharted, God Of War, Little Big Planet, Ratchet & Clank, and Journey.

The inclusion of both the Vita and PS3 games in this is what sold me on finally getting Playstation Plus. The inclusion of most of the best titles on the Vita side didn't hurt any, either. Now I just need more storage on both the Vita and PS3.

/60 gig PS3
//8 gig Vita memory card
///Stupid things are too expensive


The PS3 takes a standard 2.5" SATA hard drive, so you can easily give yourself more space for less than the price of a new game. I just bumped mine up to 500 GB thanks to all those PS Plus downloads that were filling up my old 250 GB drive. The backup/restore process is actually pretty simple, but you do need a second, external hard drive for the backup.
 
2012-12-23 10:15:52 PM

Cyno01: This thread brings me back. I miss the console wars.

If the WiiU had blu-ray id have one already, since it doesnt im contemplating getting a PS3. :-/


It doesn't even have blu-ray? I mean, optical drives are dying, but they're not dead yet.
 
2012-12-23 10:21:41 PM

elchip: snowshovel: MayoSlather: WhyteRaven74: MayoSlather: Although as it stands Nintendo very well could go the way of Sega and the Dreamcast; release early with comparatively underpowered hardware and face doom two years laters

Or maybe Nintendo has a different idea of what to do with gaming, instead of worrying about how shiny the water is they worry about how people actually play games and the various ways games can be played. Given the mountains of cash they have and that the Wii, not sure about WiiU, console sold at a profit from day one, seems they're doing something right.

A different idea like releasing titles that are almost exactly the same as titles that were on the last console and the console before that?

I look forward to all those innovative lauch titles for the next Xbox/PS3, like the next Madden, Halo, and Call of Duty.

Nintendo hadn't had a new game formula since Wii Sports, and that was their first original game formula since Metroid Prime.

Third party developers have released Gears of War, Resistance, Mass Effect, Assassins Creed, Red Dead, Far Cry, Borderlands, Uncharted, Bioshock, Arkham Asylum/City, Dead Space, Hitman, God of War... And how many of those were by Japanese developers?


1- You are clueless about Nintendo IPs

2 - Some of those are not third party titles.
 
2012-12-23 10:25:20 PM

AlgertMan: elchip: snowshovel: MayoSlather: WhyteRaven74: MayoSlather: Although as it stands Nintendo very well could go the way of Sega and the Dreamcast; release early with comparatively underpowered hardware and face doom two years laters

Or maybe Nintendo has a different idea of what to do with gaming, instead of worrying about how shiny the water is they worry about how people actually play games and the various ways games can be played. Given the mountains of cash they have and that the Wii, not sure about WiiU, console sold at a profit from day one, seems they're doing something right.

A different idea like releasing titles that are almost exactly the same as titles that were on the last console and the console before that?

I look forward to all those innovative lauch titles for the next Xbox/PS3, like the next Madden, Halo, and Call of Duty.

Nintendo hadn't had a new game formula since Wii Sports, and that was their first original game formula since Metroid Prime.

Third party developers have released Gears of War, Resistance, Mass Effect, Assassins Creed, Red Dead, Far Cry, Borderlands, Uncharted, Bioshock, Arkham Asylum/City, Dead Space, Hitman, God of War... And how many of those were by Japanese developers?

1- You are clueless about Nintendo IPs

2 - Some of those are not third party titles.


1) Then school me.

2) I should have said "non-Nintendo developers."
 
2012-12-23 10:26:26 PM

Arumat: I hope I'm not jinxing myself by saying this, but my Dreamcast is still alive and well, too. I still fire it up occasionally to play Record of Lodoss War. I wonder if Sega raided the Nintendium mines when they were manufacturing that particular console.


My Dreamcast dies the day after the warranty expired and they weren't being sold anymore. I loved the games on it.
 
2012-12-23 10:28:47 PM
dendawg: Welcome to the 2012 version of putting batteries in toys that required them but not included.

Minor threadjack here: at what point did toys all begin to require a screwdriver to access the battery compartment? Every toy I had as a kid just had a little lever you moved to open the battery compartment, now it's 3 or 4 tiny little screws.
 
2012-12-23 10:37:57 PM

elchip: here to help: Well here's an opportunity to ask you guys something I've been wanting to know.

I've been contemplating getting a console but haven't bought/owned/known jack about them since the SNES days.

What's the best bang for the buck? I'm thinking the X-Box thingy sounds about right because I've been using my PCs for the very little gaming I do.

Essentially I like FPS type stuff (specifically the CoD series... and yeah that I know that makes me sound like a drunken fratboy but screw you... I like shooting Nazis to decompress) but am interested in other formats too if.

I'm also not particularly interested in online gaming. Just like playing the computer. Sooo... what say you oh ever wise and snarky Farkers?

I've been told that the ps3 is generally the best console of the generation. The best exclusives and a large library. The price has come down a lot since 2006.


I was a video game store manager for awhile and I am a pretty active gamer.

My advice would be the following:

1) A gaming PC is best. You can build one for around $500-600 and hook it up to your HD-TV. Get an Xbox 360 controller and you will be able to play anything on the market. The upfront costs are higher, but if you buy your games through Steam, Amazon Digital Downloads or similar services, you can save a bundle. You can also run any web app you want without having to wait on the console to have a version available.

2) If you are dead set on having a console and aren't looking for a specific console-exclusive game, the PS3 320GB is the best choice because it comes with everything you need right out of the box and has a free online service where you can get apps and games. The PS3 has the most horsepower and the highest reliability of the current consoles. It also has some awesome exclusives and indie titles, as well as some of the best versions of popular games. Its optional Move system, while not popular, works better than the Wii or Kinect for flailing around in front of your TV if that's your thing.

3) If you want to play Halo or have a lot of friends who play Call of Duty, you're probably best off with a 360. It's the most popular system and that's where most people go to play multiplayer. The games are relatively cheap if you hold out for sales or price drops (which seem to happen quickly with a lot of 360 titles), and even though the console is aging and underpowered compared to the PS3, it's still the standard for most multiplatform games.

I wouldn't waste your time or money on anything else. If you're really interested in the Wii (which is not HD and which only has a few worthwhile games), you can get the Wii accessories, hook them up to your PC and run the Dolphin emulator. You'll actually get HD upscaling and the experience is far preferable to Nintendo's padded playground.
 
2012-12-23 10:41:04 PM

elchip: Cyno01: This thread brings me back. I miss the console wars.

If the WiiU had blu-ray id have one already, since it doesnt im contemplating getting a PS3. :-/

It doesn't even have blu-ray? I mean, optical drives are dying, but they're not dead yet.


The thing I really like about the PS3 as a Blu-ray player is that they keep it nicely updated, so I can even use it for 3D movies, which you don't find on normal 2006 era Blu-ray player.
 
2012-12-23 10:41:55 PM

jst3p: Smackledorfer: jst3p: spawn73: danknerd: Does anyone have anything positive to say about the Wii U for someone on the fence?

It's unlikely to kill your cat.

This isn't as useful as one might think. If your console of choice is a Wii there is no pussy anywhere near your house anyway.

A. Women who game on a hardcore level won't care if you have a wii.

B. Women who are casual may prefer a wii.

C. Women who don't game at all won't know.

D. Men who have what women really want can afford multiple systems.

I can't think of any type of female I've dated or met who would base their decision on type of console.

I can tell how little you know about the ladies for saying that though :P

I was just going for the joke.


I know. Women don't mind my wii, they hate me for being anal.
 
2012-12-23 10:44:23 PM
I greatly prefer the Wii and now Wii U for first person shooters. The point and shoot of the wiimote is far more fun and natural than aiming with a game pad.
 
2012-12-23 11:21:50 PM
Got the kiddos one for Christmas, I did this a week ago while they were in school. Took forever to go through the setup and get the system update even on a great connection.
 
2012-12-23 11:45:56 PM

here to help: Well here's an opportunity to ask you guys something I've been wanting to know.

I've been contemplating getting a console but haven't bought/owned/known jack about them since the SNES days.

What's the best bang for the buck? I'm thinking the X-Box thingy sounds about right because I've been using my PCs for the very little gaming I do.

Essentially I like FPS type stuff (specifically the CoD series... and yeah that I know that makes me sound like a drunken fratboy but screw you... I like shooting Nazis to decompress) but am interested in other formats too if.

I'm also not particularly interested in online gaming. Just like playing the computer. Sooo... what say you oh ever wise and snarky Farkers?


Either the Xbox 360 or PS3 should suit you. I would recommend looking at the games available on both and seeing if one library looks more appealing than the other to you personally. Do bear in mind that on both of them there is an increasing emphasis on online multiplayer which sometimes results in lacklustre single-player. It's best to read a few game reviews.

It's also best to avoid the many fanboys as they will bang on endlessly about hardware differences and other pointless trivia. It's a game console, it's something you do for fun, and all that matters is that it's a means to play the games you want to play.

Myself, I've always gone with the approach that if I see a game or a few games that to me justify the cost of buying the console, I buy it.
 
2012-12-23 11:49:49 PM
Got a Wii-U for my wife (who is in her 50s). I think we may be part of the target market. We are not hardcore gamers at all, but do enjoy some light gaming entertainment. FPS - no way. WoW no. COD no. Halo no.

She likes Zelda, I like Mario stuff. I want to drive a race car.

The Wii-U has been sold out within a day as soon as it hits the shelves of stores around here. My son works the gaming department of a large Canadian electronics retailer, and they can't keep Wii-U stuff in stock.

Since my son already has an Xbox and a PS3, it only seemed right we got our own console to add to the completed big home theatre setup we got (on the cheap, employee discount).

/Note to self - do the updates tomorrow night so we can play on Christmas Day.
 
2012-12-23 11:57:59 PM
PC games and most consoles are for solitary (or online gamers). The Wii is better for groups of people or co-operative playing.
 
2012-12-24 12:31:04 AM

taxandspend: elchip: snowshovel: MayoSlather: WhyteRaven74: MayoSlather: Although as it stands Nintendo very well could go the way of Sega and the Dreamcast; release early with comparatively underpowered hardware and face doom two years laters

Or maybe Nintendo has a different idea of what to do with gaming, instead of worrying about how shiny the water is they worry about how people actually play games and the various ways games can be played. Given the mountains of cash they have and that the Wii, not sure about WiiU, console sold at a profit from day one, seems they're doing something right.

A different idea like releasing titles that are almost exactly the same as titles that were on the last console and the console before that?

I look forward to all those innovative lauch titles for the next Xbox/PS3, like the next Madden, Halo, and Call of Duty.

Nintendo hadn't had a new game formula since Wii Sports, and that was their first original game formula since Metroid Prime.

Third party developers have released Gears of War, Resistance, Mass Effect, Assassins Creed, Red Dead, Far Cry, Borderlands, Uncharted, Bioshock, Arkham Asylum/City, Dead Space, Hitman, God of War... And how many of those were by Japanese developers?

Metroid Prime was released in 2002. Since then Nintendo has released the following New IP's/Formula's:
Brain Age
Nintendogs
Big Brain Academy
Battalion Wars
Mario Strikers
Mario Superstar Baseball
Donkey Konga
Electroplankton
Clubhouse Games
Mario Hoops 3-On-3
Chibi-Robo

Wii Sports Launched in 2006. Since then Nintendo has released the following new IP's/Formulas?
Hotel Dusk: Room 215
Fossil Fighters
Style Savvy
Art Academy
Sing Party
Fluidity
Snowpack Park
Pokepark
Fling Smash

Other than those games, Nintendo has done nothing but recycle the same content over and over again. Unlike those Western developers who give us new shiat every year. And it's totally fair to compare one developer to 13 developers. Now excuse me, I have to choose between playing Call of Duty 9, Medal of Honor 16, Just Dance 4, Assassin's Creed 5 etc. etc.


I have heard of precisely three of those IPs. Battalion Wars, Brain Age, and Nintendogs.

Granted, that doesn't make me right.

Okay, so Nintendo does continue to innovate. But how many of those franchises are really successful, besides the three I mentioned?

They sure as heck don't have the level of success or ubiquity as the franchises I mentioned.

Which goes back to my original point. Japanese electronics developers are floundering. Samsung's profits are twice that of the top nine Japanese electronics companies' combined.

NEC, Nintendo, Sony, and Sharp are all in the red. Canon, Fujitsu, and Pioneer have very thin margins. Most others have decreasing profits.

Japan has a huge demographic crisis on the horizon. The median age is almost 45, the death rate is higher than the birth rate, and a lot of the stuff they make is big only in Japan.

It's really quite horrible.
 
2012-12-24 06:22:14 AM
The most use my Wii had was using the Virtual Console.
 
2012-12-24 09:05:44 AM
Why does everyone think you HAVE to update it? I bought mine on release day and never updated it and it works perfectly.

/now if I can find some better weapons in Zombieu instead of that damn cricket bat
 
2012-12-24 10:31:29 AM

p4p3rm4t3: Back in my day...
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and NO ASSEMBLY REQUIRED too. couple years ago it took a bottle to calm the nerves to put all the crap together for Christmas morning. granted, it all looked like a "thereifixedit.com" project, but the kids were happy, i was well-rested, and all was right with the world..

I watched a movie the other night that had a kid's Christmas list from back in the 50s/60s...shiat like a hula-hoop, a raggedy-ann doll, etc...wow, i wish gifts were that simple these days..evidently those are today's geniuses who actually had to use their imagination as a kid, unlike todays kids who have their imaginations made for them through video games/computers/etc

/and stay off my mental lawn
 
2012-12-24 10:32:27 AM

p4p3rm4t3: Back in my day...
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Still what me and my friends do when we get together. Or games with balls. YEAH JUST LIKE THAT.
 
2012-12-24 11:37:05 AM

The Wii U is designed to reach performance parity with the PS3 and 360 and not a single bit more. The idea presumably is to get some 3rd party goodness.


That might be fine if it cost the same as the other consoles but it commands a premium. As such it really isn't worth anybody's time at the moment. Maybe if it came down in price or gained some decent exclusives of its own it might eventually justify the price. But probably by that point the next generation of consoles will be out and the Wii U will join the Wii sharing pride of place in the attic.

 
2012-12-24 12:04:51 PM

PsyLord: I still see units sitting on the shelf at the local Walmart today. I'm guessing the Wii U is not a must have Xmas present.


Judging by the scammers on Kijiji, you'd think it was the hottest thing ever in the history of handhelds. Constantly seeing them listed for 50 bucks and up MORE than the retail price at the local stores - but now it comes with a guilt trip like "Bought it and child died", "Got as a gift as a wedding and don't have kids", etc...

Makes me want to work for Kijiji so I can kill all those nonsense ads. I get they want to make a buck, but this is ridiculous.
 
2012-12-24 12:57:55 PM

parkerlewis: Why does everyone think you HAVE to update it? I bought mine on release day and never updated it and it works perfectly.

/now if I can find some better weapons in Zombieu instead of that damn cricket bat


Because the online features will not work without the update. That includes ZombiU.

/The cricket bat is the only weapon worth using in the game
 
2012-12-24 09:58:51 PM
Opened it up to be ready. Controller won't sync with the console. Straight from the box. Called customer service: Return Authorization number due in 8 hours ago. To say I'm frustrated would be an understatement.
 
2012-12-25 06:25:43 PM

rawbaker: Opened it up to be ready. Controller won't sync with the console. Straight from the box. Called customer service: Return Authorization number due in 8 hours ago. To say I'm frustrated would be an understatement.


Ours is farked too. Haven't called Nintendo yet, we've spent enough time screwing around with it today. It keeps crashing while trying to update. The two games we've tried to play with it are clunky (Skylanders Giants and Epic Mickey for Wii U). Gave up for today and plugged the old Wii back in so the boys can play.

Boo Nintendo.
 
2012-12-25 09:14:13 PM
No trouble here. Controller synced fine, played Nintendo Land with the kids for a few hours. Finally letting it update now.
 
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