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(New York Daily News)   Just days after Hurricane Sandy tenants of NY Housing Authority shocked to find out that the rent is still due, told to pay up or GTFO   (nydailynews.com) divider line 76
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-23 12:32:13 PM
Seems like they're going after people who were late before the storm.

Could have been solved by condemning the semi-habitable buildings until they were properly repaired. I know somebody who knows the guy responsible for major condemnations in NYC. If he shows up at your apartment building, big trouble.

Of course condemning the buildings brings its own set of problems, but the rent should stop coming due.
 
2012-12-23 01:08:23 PM
I ain't got no job, therefore I ain't go no money to pay the rent.
 
2012-12-23 01:10:35 PM
*begin whining* "but we're just charging what the market will bear?" *end whining"

Greedy farks.
 
2012-12-23 01:11:17 PM
These tenants need a committed advocate on their side.

i.ytimg.com
 
2012-12-23 01:11:28 PM
Ah, just like Katrina. Using a storm to clear out the rabble.
 
2012-12-23 01:11:41 PM
Mayor Bloomberg can't be supporting this. NYC residents pay more taxes than God. Where is the support for these victims?
 
2012-12-23 01:12:57 PM
-Now they got to come up with the housing authority's money every month.

"Lost your job? Fark you, pay me. Place got hit by a hurricane? Fark you, pay me."
 
2012-12-23 01:13:10 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: *begin whining* "but we're just charging what the market will bear?" *end whining"

Greedy farks.


Might want to reassess the direction of your outrage. This is public housing. It's the city government that is evicting these people.
 
2012-12-23 01:13:12 PM
I'm constantly amazed at how people think they world should stop until they are ready to resume "normal" life after a calamity event. As a debt collector my clients definitely make special considerations for those impacted, but dont sit here expecting you can jsut resume paying your bills whenever you feel like it.

The "entitlement" behavior of America is alarming.
 
2012-12-23 01:14:53 PM

Pangit: I'm constantly amazed at how people think they world should stop until they are ready to resume "normal" life after a calamity event. As a debt collector my clients definitely make special considerations for those impacted, but dont sit here expecting you can jsut resume paying your bills whenever you feel like it.

The "entitlement" behavior of America is alarming.


7/10
 
2012-12-23 01:14:57 PM

diaphoresis: Mayor Bloomberg can't be supporting this. NYC residents pay more taxes than God. Where is the support for these victims?


Being funneled into gun control.
 
2012-12-23 01:16:55 PM

jigger: Ah, just like Katrina. Using a storm to clear out the rabble.


It seems pretty clear to me that they'd be clearing out the rabble even if there was no storm. You don't hire a process server to put out eviction notices mere days after the rent is late (this was 4 days after Sandy). You've got to be late for a couple weeks in my experience. If my tenant was 4 days late with their rent, they'd get an email, not an eviction notice.
 
2012-12-23 01:17:02 PM

diaphoresis: Pangit: I'm constantly amazed at how people think they world should stop until they are ready to resume "normal" life after a calamity event. As a debt collector my clients definitely make special considerations for those impacted, but dont sit here expecting you can jsut resume paying your bills whenever you feel like it.

The "entitlement" behavior of America is alarming.

7/10


"debt collector" and "America"...I'll get bites for sure.
 
2012-12-23 01:19:08 PM

jack21221: jigger: Ah, just like Katrina. Using a storm to clear out the rabble.

It seems pretty clear to me that they'd be clearing out the rabble even if there was no storm. You don't hire a process server to put out eviction notices mere days after the rent is late (this was 4 days after Sandy). You've got to be late for a couple weeks in my experience. If my tenant was 4 days late with their rent, they'd get an email, not an eviction notice.


And if they did get an eviction notice after 4 days, the landlord would be breaking the law.
 
2012-12-23 01:22:14 PM

diaphoresis: Pangit: I'm constantly derping.

7/10


I rate it a 3/10 due to that being the second attempt.
 
2012-12-23 01:23:11 PM
rest assured if the tenants where cute little kittens it wouldnt be a problem. but since there human fark em.
 
2012-12-23 01:23:20 PM
FTFA: Pic #1: My doordoor's babby daddy punched a hole in de wool and you done ain't fixed it yit.
Pic #2: Money for tattoos - No money for rent.

That being said, if a dwelling is uninhabitable, you may not charge rent for it.

If the dwelling is habitable and you have a lease, rent is due.

It's not rocket surgery.
 
2012-12-23 01:23:53 PM
assets.nydailynews.com


(nasal whine) Did I do that?
 
2012-12-23 01:24:49 PM
well once you sign a lease youre in a contract for the whole time, right? When I lost power for 2 weeks my apartment admin didnt credit my bill...
 
2012-12-23 01:25:25 PM
They didn't suddenly decide to give out notices, the people who got them 4 days after the hurricane were probably MONTH'S behind on their rent already. Great article for making it seem like the owners are at fault rather than the people who figured they didn't need to pay at all.
 
2012-12-23 01:33:55 PM
Land lords don't have to pay bills.
 
2012-12-23 01:35:02 PM

WeenerGord: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x407]


(nasal whine) Did I do that?


$200 a month for rent in Manhattan and they won't fix the hole my baby-daddy punched in the wall last night? psh... THANKS OBAMA
 
2012-12-23 01:35:03 PM

Nezu Chiza: They didn't suddenly decide to give out notices, the people who got them 4 days after the hurricane were probably MONTH'S behind on their rent already. Great article for making it seem like the owners are at fault rather than the people who figured they didn't need to pay at all.


THIS!
 
2012-12-23 01:37:43 PM

jigger: jack21221: jigger: Ah, just like Katrina. Using a storm to clear out the rabble.

It seems pretty clear to me that they'd be clearing out the rabble even if there was no storm. You don't hire a process server to put out eviction notices mere days after the rent is late (this was 4 days after Sandy). You've got to be late for a couple weeks in my experience. If my tenant was 4 days late with their rent, they'd get an email, not an eviction notice.

And if they did get an eviction notice after 4 days, the landlord would be breaking the law.


1. Three day notice after the third day, according to a lease when rent due on 1st.
2. Eviction Filed...Court Fees...Court date 1 month out (depending on state.)
3. Tenant responded to Eviction, hearing set oh another month out.....

Landlord 0 Rabble 2 months free rent
 
2012-12-23 01:42:34 PM

jigger: jack21221: jigger: Ah, just like Katrina. Using a storm to clear out the rabble.

It seems pretty clear to me that they'd be clearing out the rabble even if there was no storm. You don't hire a process server to put out eviction notices mere days after the rent is late (this was 4 days after Sandy). You've got to be late for a couple weeks in my experience. If my tenant was 4 days late with their rent, they'd get an email, not an eviction notice.

And if they did get an eviction notice after 4 days, the landlord would be breaking the law.


In my state, it's 3 days. But, as a practical matter, if you've had a tenant that has paid on time every month for over a year, and they're 4 days late, you don't instantly start with the eviction, you try to talk to them first. If it continues for a few extra days beyond that, then you file the eviction. Evicting and finding a new tenant is EXPENSIVE.
 
2012-12-23 01:43:13 PM

jigger: Ah, just like Katrina. Using a storm to clear out the rabble.


Jigger, please.
 
2012-12-23 01:45:40 PM

diaphoresis: Mayor Bloomberg can't be supporting this. NYC residents pay more taxes than God. Where is the support for these victims?


Do you think that paternalistic, authoritarian asswipe cares about anyone who isn't a plutocrat like him?
 
2012-12-23 01:46:06 PM
FTA: Yet on Nov. 2, process server George Rodriguez arrived at Surfside around 9 a.m. to hand out "Notice of Petitions for Non-Payment" to several tenants who owed rent prior to the storm.

If you look on the second page of the article, (image below) the notices are stamped filed in the Kings County Civil Court on October 23, 2012. Hurricane Sandy made ground on October 25, 2012. So these eviction actions were pending prior to Hurricane Sandy, even if they were not posted until a couple of days after. It is clear that the Hurricane had nothing to do with the tenants' failure to pay rent.

assets.nydailynews.com
 
2012-12-23 01:48:28 PM

JeffreyScott: FTA: Yet on Nov. 2, process server George Rodriguez arrived at Surfside around 9 a.m. to hand out "Notice of Petitions for Non-Payment" to several tenants who owed rent prior to the storm.

If you look on the second page of the article, (image below) the notices are stamped filed in the Kings County Civil Court on October 23, 2012. Hurricane Sandy made ground on October 25, 2012. So these eviction actions were pending prior to Hurricane Sandy, even if they were not posted until a couple of days after. It is clear that the Hurricane had nothing to do with the tenants' failure to pay rent.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x487]



But the hurricane!
 
2012-12-23 01:49:44 PM
Maybe El Presidente should just issue the "free housing" edict, and the people wouldn't have to worry about it!

/obscure?
 
2012-12-23 01:51:40 PM

enochianwolf: well once you sign a lease youre in a contract for the whole time, right? When I lost power for 2 weeks my apartment admin didnt credit my bill...


Depends on your tenant protection laws and your lease.
 
2012-12-23 01:52:12 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com

Knows the feeling.
 
2012-12-23 01:58:00 PM

JeffreyScott: It is clear that the Hurricane had nothing to do with the tenants' failure to pay rent.


That answers my question: How are tenants at private buildings given (by law) free rent, but public housing has to pay? Answer: I'm reading misleading bullshiat on the internet.
 
Nib
2012-12-23 02:04:31 PM

nekom: I ain't got no job, therefore I ain't go no money to pay the rent.


I don't believe you're tryin' to find no job. I seen you today you was standin' on a corner leaning up against a post.
 
2012-12-23 02:06:51 PM

Arctic Phoenix: Maybe El Presidente should just issue the "free housing" edict, and the people wouldn't have to worry about it!

/obscure?


Well, you're gonna piss off the capitalists, but Sasha's hotter than Crane anyway.
 
2012-12-23 02:12:22 PM
"You must pay the rent!"
"But I can't pay the rent!"
"You must pay the rent!"
"But I can't pay the rent!"
"You must pay the rent!"
"But I can't pay the rent!"
"I'll pay the rent!"
"My hero!"
"Curses! Foiled again!"
 
2012-12-23 02:16:31 PM

diaphoresis: Mayor Bloomberg can't be supporting this. NYC residents pay more taxes than God. Where is the support for these victims?


I'm pretty sure God is a 501(c) entity.
 
2012-12-23 02:17:02 PM

JeffreyScott: FTA: Yet on Nov. 2, process server George Rodriguez arrived at Surfside around 9 a.m. to hand out "Notice of Petitions for Non-Payment" to several tenants who owed rent prior to the storm.

If you look on the second page of the article, (image below) the notices are stamped filed in the Kings County Civil Court on October 23, 2012. Hurricane Sandy made ground on October 25, 2012. So these eviction actions were pending prior to Hurricane Sandy, even if they were not posted until a couple of days after. It is clear that the Hurricane had nothing to do with the tenants' failure to pay rent.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x487]


Correction: Landlord - negative $$$ Rabble 3 months free rent, Thank you Jesus!
 
2012-12-23 02:21:27 PM

BarkingUnicorn: diaphoresis: Mayor Bloomberg can't be supporting this. NYC residents pay more taxes than God. Where is the support for these victims?

I'm pretty sure God is a 501(c) entity.


you always manage to make me giggle... :)
 
2012-12-23 02:35:03 PM

TheHappyCanadian: WeenerGord: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x407]

(nasal whine) Did I do that?

$200 a month for rent in Manhattan and they won't fix the hole my baby-daddy punched in the wall last night? psh... THANKS OBAMA



I knorite? They can prolly make $200 an hour whorin
 
2012-12-23 02:43:14 PM

Nib: nekom: I ain't got no job, therefore I ain't go no money to pay the rent.

I don't believe you're tryin' to find no job. I seen you today you was standin' on a corner leaning up against a post.


But I'm tiiired...
 
2012-12-23 03:02:08 PM
So in the 4 days between the storm and the eviction notice they became months behind in payment, received numerous warnings, and finally got evicted.

Otherwise, I'm not sure what Sandy had to do with anything here.
 
2012-12-23 03:07:54 PM

Wise_Guy: Nib: nekom: I ain't got no job, therefore I ain't go no money to pay the rent.

I don't believe you're tryin' to find no job. I seen you today you was standin' on a corner leaning up against a post.

But I'm tiiired...


I been walkin' all day!
 
2012-12-23 03:20:25 PM

Pangit: I'm constantly amazed at how people think they world should stop until they are ready to resume "normal" life after a calamity event. As a debt collector my clients definitely make special considerations for those impacted, but dont sit here expecting you can jsut resume paying your bills whenever you feel like it.

The "entitlement" behavior of America is alarming.


Not for those of us who grew up in the Glorious South. The entitlement class bring "to go" boxes to company banquets.
 
2012-12-23 03:20:38 PM
they delivered their votes, time to pay up
 
2012-12-23 04:41:45 PM
Never let a chance to be a victim go to waste.
 
2012-12-23 04:44:03 PM
Put them directly in the hands of the tenants, on a per-building basis, as cooperatives.


ZAZ
Seems like they're going after people who were late before the storm.

"She immediately went to court, where the clerk told her to get documents showing that her rent was, in fact, up to date. She returned Nov. 29 with the paperwork, and now awaits NYCHA's next move."
 
2012-12-23 04:45:30 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: *begin whining* "but we're just charging what the market will bear?" *end whining"

Greedy farks.


You forgot to post your address so people would know where to go for a bed.
 
2012-12-23 04:48:10 PM
Well, this thread wrapped up nicely. I love fact and logic.
 
2012-12-23 04:49:00 PM

jigger: Ah, just like Katrina. Using a storm to clear out the rabble.


Is that a fancy way to say "flushing"
 
2012-12-23 05:19:24 PM

RanDomino: Put them directly in the hands of the tenants, on a per-building basis, as cooperatives.


That is a VERY bad idea and even if my private building did that I would be quite concerned let alone public housing.



ZAZ
Seems like they're going after people who were late before the storm.

"She immediately went to court, where the clerk told her to get documents showing that her rent was, in fact, up to date. She returned Nov. 29 with the paperwork, and now awaits NYCHA's next move."


Then she will be fine. Doesn't mean the others weren't deadbeats.

Seriously, I am an epicly huge bleeding heart libby libtard socialist commie hippie by most standards but I'm getting pretty damned sick of extremist leftist making us look bad. I'm assuming that's how true fiscal conservative feel about the Christian right and the teabaggers.

Yes the rent is too damned high... but you still gotta freaking pay it. If you can't... well perhaps living in one of the most expensive cities in the world wasn't such a cunning plan.

I used to live in a fancy and expensive city when I could make decent cash. Once I couldn't anymore I GTFO.
 
2012-12-23 05:38:02 PM
The evictions were initiated on September 18th, because they didn't pay Septembers rent. Sandy hit on October 24th. No sympathy for deadbeats.
 
2012-12-23 05:40:30 PM

JeffreyScott: FTA: Yet on Nov. 2, process server George Rodriguez arrived at Surfside around 9 a.m. to hand out "Notice of Petitions for Non-Payment" to several tenants who owed rent prior to the storm.

If you look on the second page of the article, (image below) the notices are stamped filed in the Kings County Civil Court on October 23, 2012. Hurricane Sandy made ground on October 25, 2012. So these eviction actions were pending prior to Hurricane Sandy, even if they were not posted until a couple of days after. It is clear that the Hurricane had nothing to do with the tenants' failure to pay rent.


There's no sense bringing sense into this argument. You're looking at folks attempting to exploit the situation, nothing more, by claiming that it's somehow mean-spirited or unjust to collect rent from tenants that were delinquent before the storm hit. They're hoping to use the storm as a "get out of debt free" card.
 
2012-12-23 05:49:04 PM

diaphoresis: Mayor Bloomberg can't be supporting this. NYC residents pay more taxes than God. Where is the support for these victims?


The taxpayers and these so-called "victims" are entirely disjoin sets.

Arctic Phoenix: Maybe El Presidente should just issue the "free housing" edict, and the people wouldn't have to worry about it!

/obscure?


A little. That was a fun game. If only it had some kind of multiplayer...
 
2012-12-23 06:37:15 PM

here to help: RanDomino: Put them directly in the hands of the tenants, on a per-building basis, as cooperatives.


That is a VERY bad idea and even if my private building did that I would be quite concerned let alone public housing.

ZAZ
Seems like they're going after people who were late before the storm.

"She immediately went to court, where the clerk told her to get documents showing that her rent was, in fact, up to date. She returned Nov. 29 with the paperwork, and now awaits NYCHA's next move."

Then she will be fine. Doesn't mean the others weren't deadbeats.

Seriously, I am an epicly huge bleeding heart libby libtard socialist commie hippie by most standards but I'm getting pretty damned sick of extremist leftist making us look bad. I'm assuming that's how true fiscal conservative feel about the Christian right and the teabaggers.

Yes the rent is too damned high... but you still gotta freaking pay it. If you can't... well perhaps living in one of the most expensive cities in the world wasn't such a cunning plan.

I used to live in a fancy and expensive city when I could make decent cash. Once I couldn't anymore I GTFO.


As a fiscal conservative who gets lumped in with the religious wackjobs and idiots who think the Republican party can do no wrong and everything done by someone with a (D) after their name is evil, welcome to the clubhouse.
 
2012-12-23 06:57:32 PM
Since when do THEY PAY the rent, we the taxed pay their way.
 
2012-12-23 07:44:16 PM
Solution: Pay your farking rent.
 
2012-12-23 08:00:01 PM

maxalt: Since when do THEY PAY the rent, we the taxed pay their way.


The War on Poverty has morphed into a War of Attrition on the Middle Class
 
2012-12-23 08:26:29 PM
jack21221jigger: jack21221: jigger: Ah, just like Katrina. Using a storm to clear out the rabble.

It seems pretty clear to me that they'd be clearing out the rabble even if there was no storm. You don't hire a process server to put out eviction notices mere days after the rent is late (this was 4 days after Sandy). You've got to be late for a couple weeks in my experience. If my tenant was 4 days late with their rent, they'd get an email, not an eviction notice.

And if they did get an eviction notice after 4 days, the landlord would be breaking the law.

In my state, it's 3 days. But, as a practical matter, if you've had a tenant that has paid on time every month for over a year, and they're 4 days late, you don't instantly start with the eviction, you try to talk to them first. If it continues for a few extra days beyond that, then you file the eviction. Evicting and finding a new tenant is EXPENSIVE.


I'm pretty sure it used to be 3 days in Chicago. I had a really big corporate landlord where you couldn't physically hand anyone a check and instead had to mail it to a central office. One month I lost the official envelop that identified the mailing as a rent payment. Apparently my nondescript envelop really confused their office staff and I received an eviction notice a few days after the 1st of the month. It was just fabulous and not terrifying at all. I had never been late paying rent before and I really never wanted to be late OR lose another envelop after that experience. *shudder*

But I think the general point of these posts is that an eviction notice from a landlord does not automatically mean that your ass is out on the street the next day. I believe that legally landlords have to give tenants notice that they are starting eviction proceedings. That leaves time to resolve issues if you aren't a deadbeat.
 
2012-12-23 08:33:59 PM

bmr68: The evictions were initiated on September 18th, because they didn't pay Septembers rent. Sandy hit on October 24th. No sympathy for deadbeats.


Sadly, this.
 
2012-12-23 09:05:15 PM
Caption From TFA: Leticia Ramirez looks in disbeliefe at eviction notice. Officials from NYCHA allegedly served foreclosure notice four days after Sandy severely damaged her Brooklyn building.
 
2012-12-23 09:21:58 PM
Got flooded? F*ck you, pay me.


bmr68: The evictions were initiated on September 18th, because they didn't pay Septembers rent. Sandy hit on October 24th. No sympathy for deadbeats.


Actually if you read through to the second page, they note that one of the tenants immediately went to court and had proof that she had paid. One isn't all, but that seems to indicate they were being a little profligate, if not flat out wrong and perhaps even missing their own records.
 
2012-12-23 09:23:35 PM
here to help
That is a VERY bad idea and even if my private building did that I would be quite concerned let alone public housing.

Oh no, you might have to *gasp* talk to your neighbors! What is this world coming to

Then she will be fine. Doesn't mean the others weren't deadbeats.

Nor does it mean they are. She got one and she apparently isn't. Yet you choose to assume others are.

Yes the rent is too damned high... but you still gotta freaking pay it. If you can't... well perhaps living in one of the most expensive cities in the world wasn't such a cunning plan.

It wasn't, until hipsters decided poor is cool. Events suggest that New York was more or less conquered in the late 80s and early 90s (for example the Tompkins Square Park Police Riot). You know, "cleaning up the city"- the goal being to cater to richer people than those who actually lived there. The reason New York hasn't seen riots in 20 years... is because the people like Giuliani won. New York is now literally occupied territory, with the NYPD being far more powerful than it has any right to be. Of course they kick in doors and drag people out of their houses- what the fark do you think an eviction is?
 
2012-12-23 09:33:23 PM

RanDomino: Events suggest that New York was more or less conquered in the late 80s and early 90s (for example the Tompkins Square Park Police Riot). You know, "cleaning up the city"- the goal being to cater to richer people than those who actually lived there. The reason New York hasn't seen riots in 20 years... is because the people like Giuliani won. New York is now literally occupied territory, with the NYPD being far more powerful than it has any right to be. Of course they kick in doors and drag people out of their houses- what the fark do you think an eviction is?


GOOD.

You don't like it? Buy your own farking house.

Once you find out how much that shiat costs in terms of taxes, insurance, upkeep, utilities, water, trash, etc. maybe you'll learn some respect and pay your farking rent on time.
 
2012-12-23 10:28:04 PM
I like the quote from tfa. Eviction notice, what are they trying to tell me?

Maybe pay your rent or get out?
Also $200 a month rent? I can't find rent that low in the Midwest.
 
2012-12-23 10:46:00 PM
I can't muster a lot of sympathy for the people who were actually not paying their rent, but it sounds like some people got caught up in the eviction sweep unjustly as well, and may be SOL due to the hurricane chasing them from their homes. If you have X number of days to respond to your eviction notice with proof that you're up to date, and you don't even get the notice till after that time has passed (which is what seems to have happened with one woman in TFA), you could be in bureaucratic hell indefinitely.
 
2012-12-23 11:09:15 PM
assets.nydailynews.com

My baby's daddy he punched this hole and those motherfarkers haven't fixed it yet.
 
2012-12-24 12:36:09 AM

JeffreyScott: FTA: Yet on Nov. 2, process server George Rodriguez arrived at Surfside around 9 a.m. to hand out "Notice of Petitions for Non-Payment" to several tenants who owed rent prior to the storm.

If you look on the second page of the article, (image below) the notices are stamped filed in the Kings County Civil Court on October 23, 2012. Hurricane Sandy made ground on October 25, 2012. So these eviction actions were pending prior to Hurricane Sandy, even if they were not posted until a couple of days after. It is clear that the Hurricane had nothing to do with the tenants' failure to pay rent.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x487]


Heh

beautiful
 
2012-12-24 04:12:58 AM
This shouldn't be a problem in New York city, I hear landlords have no rights there. There was even a fark story about some bullshiater that screwed his landlord for years with litigation.
 
2012-12-24 08:21:40 AM
Someone needs to remind the landlords this is America. Their is no such thing as private property anymore
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-24 09:25:25 AM
WildManBand: I hear landlords have no rights there.

The government is the landlord.

Gdalescrboz: Their is no such thing as private property anymore

The government is the landlord.
 
2012-12-24 03:56:46 PM

Shadyman: Caption From TFA: Leticia Ramirez looks in disbeliefe at eviction notice. Officials from NYCHA allegedly served foreclosure notice four days after Sandy severely damaged her Brooklyn building.


Pronounced dis-bee-lee-eh-fe. Trying to accommodate spanish speakers.
 
2012-12-26 12:46:16 PM

RanDomino: here to help
That is a VERY bad idea and even if my private building did that I would be quite concerned let alone public housing.

Oh no, you might have to *gasp* talk to your neighbors! What is this world coming to


That's not what I was talking about. People are generally corrupt idiots. I'd rather deal with a couple corrupt idiots (ie: a landlord or property management company) than a whole building filled with idiots having control over my housing. It would be even worse in housing projects because... well frankly I don't want ghetto scum in my life at ALL. Let alone handling my rent money or coming around my place to do "repairs".

And as far as talking to my neighbors... no, I don't really want to deal with them any more than a polite hello in the hallway unless I get to know them over time and they are decent people I'd want to hang out with. I've got enough friends already and as someone who was completely surrounded by other humans non stop for years I know that most are an annoyance at best and problematic at worse.

As far as the rest of your rant, yeah, sure it sucks that NYC has been Disneyfied but things change. Besides it was a WICKED dangerous city to live in before. At least now you can go outside without constantly worrying about getting murdered. I agree the rent situation is grim but that's the free market for ya. People want to live there and they are willing to pay a premium. What are the building owners supposed to do? Turn down truckloads of cash out kindness? Sorry. Capitalism doesn't work like that.
 
2012-12-26 02:03:38 PM
here to help
Sorry. Capitalism doesn't work like that.

Well duh. That's why we should destroy capitalism.
 
2012-12-26 02:21:16 PM

RanDomino: here to help
Sorry. Capitalism doesn't work like that.

Well duh. That's why we should destroy capitalism.


IDK about destroy but it sure could use some fixing up. I've been saying for years that the concept of ethical business practices should be refined and be one of the major focal points in business schools.

I really don't understand why the top corporatists insist on doing things the way they do. A healthy and prosperous society is fruitful for everyone... especially the rich. More money in the pockets of the plebes means they have more money to spend on useless crap. They are going to run out of third world countries to exploit and now they are having to compete for those low wage workers with countries like China. Also with most of the first world dead broke because of their shenanigans people can't afford their wares.

They are shooting themselves in the foot. A strong middle class and a lower class that has at least a small amount of disposable income only serves to benefit those at the top.

Then again it is quite possible it isn't all about money. The impoverished are far easier to control and manipulate so the ultimate goal may just be power.

But that's a little tinfoily. I'm more inclined to think stupidity, hate, greed and an unwillingness to adapt to more modern economic ideologies are the bigger motivators in this equation.
 
2012-12-26 03:22:10 PM
here to help
IDK about destroy but it sure could use some fixing up. I've been saying for years that the concept of ethical business practices should be refined and be one of the major focal points in business schools.

"Business ethics" will always lose out to the bottom line. It's like gravity.

I really don't understand why the top corporatists insist on doing things the way they do. A healthy and prosperous society is fruitful for everyone... especially the rich. More money in the pockets of the plebes means they have more money to spend on useless crap. They are going to run out of third world countries to exploit and now they are having to compete for those low wage workers with countries like China. Also with most of the first world dead broke because of their shenanigans people can't afford their wares.

The corporate world doesn't care about the long term. They care about quarterly profits. If you have a bad quarter investors will take their money away and destroy the company, because your sustainable 1% per quarter is nothing compared to jumping from one company to another if they promise 4% this quarter followed by everything being on fire (by which point they and their money are off to the next investment). When the real economy (the one based on supply, demand, physical goods, raw materials, etc) stops growing, bubbles start forming (the 1920s stock market bubble, the late '90s tech stock bubble, the early 2000s housing bubble) because investors demand high returns quarter after quarter. And then it all blows up.

There is nothing that can be done to stop this within capitalism because any impediment that can be put in its way can only be done so within the logic of capitalism- so as soon as it become profitable enough to 'invest' in the political system to get those rules overturned, they will be.
 
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