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(Mother Jones)   The free market might be a great idea when it comes to setting the wages and salaries of working folks, but using it to set the fees for dock rental in one of the richest communities in America? That's outrageous   (motherjones.com ) divider line
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2012-12-23 12:14:56 PM  
They tend to favor the "I've got mine so go f*ck yourself." School of Economics.
 
2012-12-23 12:32:38 PM  
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: most people won't stop and think about the frustrations of the fabulously wealthy.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-23 12:40:11 PM  
The lights out protest is the free market. The city is renting out dock space for a low fee. Rich people are pointing out that the rent is a low fee plus a display of Christmas holiday lights every December. The city can now say "oh, sorry, we never thought of that", "there's plenty of more neighborly people waiting for dock space", or "we'd rather have the cash than the glitter."

If I ran the city I'd put the docks out to bid. Then I would be fired when rich yacht owners called up their politicians to complain.
 
2012-12-23 12:41:54 PM  

ZAZ: Then I would be fired when rich yacht owners called up their politicians to complain.


QFT
 
2012-12-23 12:54:33 PM  
Ah the rich.  Made their profits on the back of American infrastructure, now biatch like 2 year olds when people remind them that infrastructure needs updated and repaired.  Scumbags.
 
2012-12-23 01:03:40 PM  
Time to sharpen up some guillotines.
 
2012-12-23 01:03:47 PM  
Surprise! The "I got mine, fark you!" crowd isn't pleased when they don't actually get theirs.
 
2012-12-23 01:05:06 PM  
The capitalist class abhors fair, functional markets.
 
2012-12-23 01:06:09 PM  
I don't think subby and the article writer realizes what a free market is.
 
2012-12-23 01:08:32 PM  

Cathedralmaster: Time to sharpen up some guillotines.


No it will be the guillotines for the poor. Why hasn't our federal government done something about the population control of the breeders and leechers in this country?

Why should the rich pay more? They shouldn't. This country was founded by white, rich, land owners who didn't want to pay taxes. I support this protest and I hope they win. The city could sell the docks to the boat owners.
 
2012-12-23 01:09:12 PM  

Mrbogey: I don't think subby and the article writer realizes what a free market is.


Can you teach us, oh wise one?
 
2012-12-23 01:11:20 PM  
Mrbogey
I don't think subby and the article writer realizes what a free market is.

Explain the Free Markitz solution to this.
 
2012-12-23 01:15:42 PM  

RanDomino: Mrbogey
I don't think subby and the article writer realizes what a free market is.

Explain the Free Markitz solution to this.


Whoever has the most money gets to do whatever they want. Duh.
 
2012-12-23 01:17:12 PM  
this sense of entitlement from the very loud, very rich that drives so much public policy in America

A liberal rag complaining about a sense of entitlement is down right funny to begin with but you don't know who's who in the complainer crowd from this article, and even if you did... I can easily afford the cost increase of some of the food I buy, it's not putting me out... At least not yet... But that doesn't mean I won't complain loudly about it and want to know why it's happening, and maybe I don't like why it's happening, so I complain about that too.

According to this arsehole simply because I can afford it I should shut up and quit acting entitled.
 
2012-12-23 01:18:52 PM  
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And then burn their yachts, before their powerless eyes.

/need coffee
 
2012-12-23 01:19:47 PM  
In fairness, the complainers are a small fraction of the Newport Harbor community.
 
2012-12-23 01:25:50 PM  
Who is Go Galt?
 
2012-12-23 01:27:41 PM  

Mrbogey: I don't think subby and the article writer realizes what a free market is.


Oooh! Ooooh! I know! It's where rich people go to get their free lunch, right?
 
2012-12-23 01:28:18 PM  

Mjeck: Who is Go Galt?


John's dipshiat little brother.
 
2012-12-23 01:28:47 PM  
And they call poor people entitled.
 
2012-12-23 01:29:16 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-23 01:29:21 PM  
TiniestViolin.jpg
 
2012-12-23 01:32:20 PM  
The City Council didn't think the increase it approved was too extreme.

Going from $100 to $3200 is a very extreme increase. But they can afford it so they can go suck a bag of dicks
 
2012-12-23 01:32:40 PM  

Mixolydian Master: [img24.imageshack.us image 570x783]

And then burn their yachts, before their powerless eyes.

/need coffee


What if I have already eaten their eyes?
 
2012-12-23 01:33:14 PM  
Um...won't repairing the dock benefit these assholes the most? They're the one's using it. I'll bet any amount of money that if a storm reduced everything to rubble, they would be the first to biatch and moan about how nothing was maintained.
 
2012-12-23 01:36:29 PM  

MisterLoki: Mixolydian Master: [img24.imageshack.us image 570x783]

And then burn their yachts, before their powerless eyes.

/need coffee

What if I have already eaten their eyes?


Spit what's left back in the sockets, and hope for the best.
 
2012-12-23 01:38:30 PM  

randomjsa: this sense of entitlement from the very loud, very rich that drives so much public policy in America

A liberal rag complaining about a sense of entitlement is down right funny to begin with but you don't know who's who in the complainer crowd from this article, and even if you did... I can easily afford the cost increase of some of the food I buy, it's not putting me out... At least not yet... But that doesn't mean I won't complain loudly about it and want to know why it's happening, and maybe I don't like why it's happening, so I complain about that too.

According to this arsehole simply because I can afford it I should shut up and quit acting entitled.


I would agree with you if we were talking about unimportant things like food; however, we're talking about docking fees for yachts, which are way more important to the masses.
 
2012-12-23 01:40:33 PM  

The Green Manalishi: Um...won't repairing the dock benefit these assholes the most? They're the one's using it. I'll bet any amount of money that if a storm reduced everything to rubble, they would be the first to biatch and moan about how nothing was maintained.


You're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
 
2012-12-23 01:40:54 PM  
So wait, they need 29 million dollars to fix the harbor . . . but refuse to pay taxes to fix the harbor.

Am I understanding this right?
 
2012-12-23 01:41:29 PM  
FTFA

"It costs us thousands of dollars to voluntarily decorate our homes and boats to bring holiday smiles to nearly 1 million people," organization Chairman Bob McCaffrey wrote to the city. "This year, we are turning off our lights and withdrawing our boats in protest of the massive new dock tax we expect the City Council to levy."

This year I'm taking a tax deduction on the money I spent on my Christmas lights, labor that went into hanging them, and power that keeps them glowing, because they bring "holiday smiles" to countless people. If the IRS refuse to accept this deduction, then they're going to have to face the consequence of tens of thousands fewer holiday smiles next year when I don't put lights out. Make my day IRS, make.my.day.
 
2012-12-23 01:42:22 PM  

heinekenftw: So wait, they need 29 million dollars to fix the harbor . . . but refuse to pay taxes to fix the harbor.

Am I understanding this right?


Welcome to Red State logic.
 
2012-12-23 01:42:54 PM  
There is no requirement to rent public property for them to put the docks on it at any price. Just end the program and require the owners to remove their docks. If they refuse them condemn their docks and assess them $29 million (in aggregate) to remove them.

See how easy?
 
2012-12-23 01:44:11 PM  
I guess they're going to have to get rid of the Seaward.
 
2012-12-23 01:45:52 PM  
I love that they think that people will be upset if they don't throw their little rich people harbor party. What a bunch of self-absorbed dipshiats.
 
2012-12-23 01:52:46 PM  
Why are the rich afraid to put any skin in the game?
 
2012-12-23 01:53:18 PM  

RanDomino: Mrbogey
I don't think subby and the article writer realizes what a free market is.

Explain the Free Markitz solution to this.


Put each dock space up for auction each year. Whoever is willing to pay the most for it that year gets it. That's how to do it in a free market way. Setting it via politics or bureaucratic fiat is just a form of rent control.

And here's a prediction: if they do that, the stories are going to be legion about how all the rich bastards are pushing out the working stiffs who won't have a place to berth the decaying Chris Crafts that they used to take their kids fishing on back when they could afford it.
 
2012-12-23 01:56:24 PM  
As someone a little familiar with dock fees, I'll say this:

HOLY shiat! They were only paying $100 a FARKING YEAR!??!

That is all.
 
2012-12-23 01:56:43 PM  

heinekenftw: So wait, they need 29 million dollars to fix the harbor . . . but refuse to pay taxes to fix the harbor.

Am I understanding this right?


A small but loud minority of the yacht owners do not want the dock fixed because it would increase the fees charged by the city.
 
2012-12-23 01:58:32 PM  
"It costs us thousands of dollars to voluntarily decorate our homes and boats to bring holiday smiles to nearly 1 million people," organization Chairman Bob McCaffrey wrote to the city. "This year, we are turning off our lights and withdrawing our boats in protest of the massive new dock tax we expect the City Council to levy."

I think he is greatly over estimating the value that this event, which to be honest is just a chance for the rich to throw their wealth in everybody's faces, has to others.
 
2012-12-23 02:00:54 PM  

ArkAngel: The City Council didn't think the increase it approved was too extreme.

Going from $100 to $3200 is a very extreme increase. But they can afford it so they can go suck a bag of dicks



The typical increase is not that extreme

....Newport's dock fee, which has stood at $100 a year for the last two decades, will now be based on a dock's size. The city says rents will increase to about $250 for a small slip to $3,200 annually for a large dock shared by two homeowners

/subby
//first green
 
2012-12-23 02:02:47 PM  

heinekenftw: So wait, they need 29 million dollars to fix the harbor . . . but refuse to pay taxes to fix the harbor.

Am I understanding this right?


Yes that is right, they want the government to pay to fix it up, sounds kind of socialist to me.
 
2012-12-23 02:05:42 PM  
Tiny violins.
 
2012-12-23 02:16:42 PM  

ArkAngel: The City Council didn't think the increase it approved was too extreme.

Going from $100 to $3200 is a very extreme increase. But they can afford it so they can go suck a bag of dicks


They use it. They should pay fair price to maintain it.
 
2012-12-23 02:17:14 PM  
Auction them off each year to the highest bidder.
 
2012-12-23 02:19:22 PM  

ArkAngel: The City Council didn't think the increase it approved was too extreme.

Going from $100 to $3200 is a very extreme increase. But they can afford it so they can go suck a bag of dicks


I'm willing to bet they have more than $3200 worth of wine on board at any given moment, They can afford it,
 
2012-12-23 02:21:32 PM  

Wooly Bully: RanDomino: Mrbogey
I don't think subby and the article writer realizes what a free market is.

Explain the Free Markitz solution to this.

Whoever has the most money gets to do whatever they want. Duh.


and make someone else pay for it.

Which is how they get the money. . .which makes them better able to make other people pay for what they want or mistakes they make. . which is how they get the money. . . which...
 
2012-12-23 02:23:29 PM  
Or, say "fine, screw it, you're not willing to put up the $29 mil to keep your harbor intact, then it'll get swamped, your yachts and summer homes will get flooded, and we won't care." That is also a free-market solution. Government isn't there for free when you need it, and never costs anything when you don't. That's not how it works.
 
2012-12-23 02:23:53 PM  

Mrbogey: I don't think subby and the article writer realizes what a free market is.


You mean to tell me that this example of a monopoly isn't a great example of competitive markets? I am shocked.
 
2012-12-23 02:26:33 PM  
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Inconsolable...
 
2012-12-23 02:27:50 PM  
The two most entitled types of people I've met have been both very rich and very poor who have been taken care of their entire lives. I grew up in a rich town, and most of the kids were entitled jerks. When I began working in inner city schools, the kids who were living in cyclical welfare families had the same entitled attitude.

Though--I'd much, much rather be living the life of the rich kids. The only guns in their neighborhoods were bought at auction to be locked up In a glass case for display during cocktail parties.
 
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