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2012-12-23 10:06:38 AM
Not only will La Leche call in a mass nurse-in, the place will be lectured for not having bilingual breast pumps.
 
2012-12-23 10:11:22 AM
If I ever open a restaurant, babies and children under the age of .... 30 will be forboden.
 
2012-12-23 10:23:13 AM
"I was clearing a table while breastfeeding,"

 It looks like this will be written into the employee handbook right after the section on "All employees must wash hands after using the bathroom".
 
2012-12-23 10:27:10 AM
You're doing something in the restaurant you own that, while perfectly legal, your patrons consider icky enough to lodge formal complaints about it. Presumably more customers didn't bother filing complaints but just never came back. Do you keep doing it while whining about your rights? Or do you realize that walking around a dining room with a baby hanging off your boob might be off-putting to your customers and cut it out?
 
2012-12-23 10:39:01 AM
Cream, sugar, breastmilk?
 
2012-12-23 10:54:40 AM
The article did not have a clear picture of the breasts, so I cannot form an opinion.
 
2012-12-23 10:55:50 AM
I'm not sure I really understand the potential health risk.  This is happening out front, not in the kitchen (so far as we know), so it's not like customers would unknowingly end up with milk in their meals.  So I'm not sure the government should be involved, especially given that Nova Scotia has given lots of protection to breastfeeding mothers.

But I don't know why she thinks this is good for her business.  I'll defend a woman's right to breastfeed in public, but I think I'd have to be seeing an awful lot of side-boob to consider dining at this place.
 
2012-12-23 11:48:00 AM
Holy christ that's not sanitary.  I'm sorry, but you either need to take a leave of absence or leave the kid with a babysitter while you're working.  Don't farking breastfeed on the job like that.  Blech.
 
2012-12-23 12:02:56 PM

TheSpaceAdmiral: I'm not sure I really understand the potential health risk.  This is happening out front, not in the kitchen (so far as we know),


That's the important part.  If I'm sitting in the dining room, and I see a member of the staff breastfeeding while walking around in front of the customers, I'm going to wonder what else taking place out of my sight.

Breast feed all you want, but please, please have at least some tiny amount of consideration for the people around you.  You are not "performing a miracle of nourishing life," you are secreting body fluids, and while it's perfectly natural, I don't want to see it while I'm eating.

If that offends the restaurant owners, they should probably let potential customers know ahead of time, so that we can make an informed decision.  Maybe something like a sign on the door saying "Our employees secrete bodily fluids while on duty and customers are expected to compliment them on their successful secretions because they are new mothers and that makes them special, so f**k you."

That way, I'll know that your restaurant does not want my money.
 
2012-12-23 12:39:45 PM
I have zero problem.
"I was clearing a table while breastfeeding," she told CBC News.
But who does that?
 
2012-12-23 01:05:49 PM
FTA:"I was clearing a table while breastfeeding,"

How is it even possible to clear a table while breastfeeding?
So she was holding her kid in one arm and handling dirty dishes at the same time?
What the actual f*ck?
This isn't a "breastfeeding on the job is bad" issue. This is a "mom is farking stupid" issue.
 
2012-12-23 01:09:31 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Holy christ that's not sanitary.  I'm sorry, but you either need to take a leave of absence or leave the kid with a babysitter while you're working.  Don't farking breastfeed on the job like that.  Blech.


There are serious protections for mothers who breastfeed children on the job. Their child has far more right to be fed than you have at not being grossed out. And as long as she isn't feeding the child around food that has yet to be eaten or prepared then I don't really think there are any sanitary concerns.
 
2012-12-23 01:11:10 PM

manwithplanx: The My Little Pony Killer: Holy christ that's not sanitary.  I'm sorry, but you either need to take a leave of absence or leave the kid with a babysitter while you're working.  Don't farking breastfeed on the job like that.  Blech.

There are serious protections for mothers who breastfeed children on the job. Their child has far more right to be fed than you have at not being grossed out. And as long as she isn't feeding the child around food that has yet to be eaten or prepared then I don't really think there are any sanitary concerns.


She has no protection because she's the damn owner. All this is is customers complaining about her.
 
2012-12-23 01:12:24 PM

aimtastic: You're doing something in the restaurant you own that, while perfectly legal, your patrons consider icky enough to lodge formal complaints about it. Presumably more customers didn't bother filing complaints but just never came back. Do you keep doing it while whining about your rights? Or do you realize that walking around a dining room with a baby hanging off your boob might be off-putting to your customers and cut it out?


Yes because it is more important to keep a handful of prudes happy than do your job and feed your baby.

She was clearing off a table for crissakes not pouring the wine.
 
2012-12-23 01:17:08 PM

quickdraw: Yes because it is more important to keep a handful of prudes happy than do your job and feed your baby.


If those prudes are paying customers and you're the owner of the establishment, then yes, it is more important.
 
2012-12-23 01:22:45 PM
I don't have a single problem with breastfeeding a child wherever the fark you happen to be. I'm not grossed out by it, I'm not driven into an erectile rage over an exposed breast, and I couldn't give less of a shiat how anyone else feels about it. It's a completely natural thing, deal with it.

That being said, as a former health inspector there are code
requirements regarding this. To summarize: it's not allowed, at least not in Georgia.
 
2012-12-23 01:24:06 PM
I don't see the problem, as long as the baby leaves at least a 20% tip.
 
2012-12-23 01:37:48 PM
That's almost as bad as Burger King using the drooling tards to wipe down tables.
 
2012-12-23 01:37:53 PM

aimtastic: If those prudes are paying customers and you're the owner of the establishment, then yes, it is more important.


As strongly as I advocate boobs, I think I have to agree. Breastfeeding on the job might not be unsanitary, but I can see how it could be off-putting. If it hurts your business, it'll make life harder for you and your baby, which isn't in either of your best interests. Seems like a case of "just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should."
 
2012-12-23 01:45:52 PM
I have no problem with mothers feeding their children.

While working and clearing tables ain't the place.

quickdraw: aimtastic: You're doing something in the restaurant you own that, while perfectly legal, your patrons consider icky enough to lodge formal complaints about it. Presumably more customers didn't bother filing complaints but just never came back. Do you keep doing it while whining about your rights? Or do you realize that walking around a dining room with a baby hanging off your boob might be off-putting to your customers and cut it out?

Yes because it is more important to keep a handful of prudes happy than do your job and feed your baby.

She was clearing off a table for crissakes not pouring the wine.


It's not about prudes, it's about keeping to the health code. Eating a sandwich while you're clearing tables isn't up to code either. Baby dribbles, spits up, it's on the table. That's the same risk factor as spewing hotdog out of your gob when doing the same thing. Bodily fluids like saliva aren't supposed to go on tables or tableware.

After you eat, you wash your hands before you return to work. It's the same thing after breastfeeding your kid. It's not a matter of being prudish, it's about complying with sanitation. I don't want to see a busboy stuffing his face as he's handling dishes or silver. Or pick them up afterwards if he doesn't wash his hands.

My ex-wife breastfed, and even when she was bottle feeding with breast milk, she did so in a quiet place. Feeding your kid at a table isn't about being a prude, it's simply about complying with code, and to be honest, why in the world would you think that feeding your child out in the dining room was OK in the first place? Really? A dining room when you're working is about as wrong a place to feed your infant anyhow. That means that she's not working, and should be on a break to do so. I'm all for breastfeeding, but in restaurants, there is a REASON for the regs on employees eating and matters of cleanliness. At home? Knock yourself out. In the restaurant, there are regs that have to be complied with. In the park? Knock yourself out. On the bus? Not ideal locations, because of the amount of noise and bustle, but seriously, have some common sense. It doesn't help anyone, and it only illustrates a divide that has some folks thinking, "It's OK when I do it!"
 
2012-12-23 01:49:20 PM

Lukeonia1: Breastfeeding on the job might not be unsanitary


Have you seen me eat? Seen my hygiene? Never, ever expose your kid to my germs by cleaning up my leftovers with your newborn sucking off your tit.
 
2012-12-23 01:54:28 PM

aimtastic: quickdraw: Yes because it is more important to keep a handful of prudes happy than do your job and feed your baby.

If those prudes are paying customers and you're the owner of the establishment, then yes, it is more important.


No it isn't. If you have a good product at a good price then a few prudes walking away and making a big fuss is just good publicity.
 
2012-12-23 01:54:35 PM
What makes this odd, is that as the owner, she should know the regs better than anyone there. That she's confused as to what the issue was, says a lot about her. Pitch in and help all you want, but at least understand the regs before you get out there.
 
2012-12-23 01:55:42 PM

quickdraw: aimtastic: quickdraw: Yes because it is more important to keep a handful of prudes happy than do your job and feed your baby.

If those prudes are paying customers and you're the owner of the establishment, then yes, it is more important.

No it isn't. If you have a good product at a good price then a few prudes walking away and making a big fuss is just good publicity.


Do you want to see a busboy stuffing his face while clearing a table?
 
2012-12-23 01:58:11 PM

hubiestubert: It's not about prudes, it's about keeping to the health code. Eating a sandwich while you're clearing tables isn't up to code either. Baby dribbles, spits up, it's on the table. That's the same risk factor as spewing hotdog out of your gob when doing the same thing. Bodily fluids like saliva aren't supposed to go on tables or tableware.


WARNING: This may affect your desire to eat out in the future - but customers (of all ages) regularly drool, cough, spit up and generally rub their snot all over the table when they eat in public. When you are clearing away a table you are simply removing the top layer of assorted bodily detritus. Setting the table is when you get concerned about making sure it is as sanitary as possible for the next customer.
 
2012-12-23 01:58:15 PM
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Just the lacts, ma'am
 
2012-12-23 01:58:20 PM
Apparently boobs are at least almost as threatening as a penis.
 
2012-12-23 02:00:07 PM

hubiestubert: quickdraw: aimtastic: quickdraw: Yes because it is more important to keep a handful of prudes happy than do your job and feed your baby.

If those prudes are paying customers and you're the owner of the establishment, then yes, it is more important.

No it isn't. If you have a good product at a good price then a few prudes walking away and making a big fuss is just good publicity.

Do you want to see a busboy stuffing his face while clearing a table?


Well I would assume it would bother his manager since most employees generally are not paid to eat - but no it wouldnt bother me at all. If Im in an eating place and somebody else is eating I dont think I would even notice.
 
2012-12-23 02:01:03 PM

hubiestubert: What makes this odd, is that as the owner, she should know the regs better than anyone there. That she's confused as to what the issue was, says a lot about her. Pitch in and help all you want, but at least understand the regs before you get out there.


She knows the regs. The regs say she is doing nothing wrong.
 
2012-12-23 02:05:19 PM

quickdraw: hubiestubert: It's not about prudes, it's about keeping to the health code. Eating a sandwich while you're clearing tables isn't up to code either. Baby dribbles, spits up, it's on the table. That's the same risk factor as spewing hotdog out of your gob when doing the same thing. Bodily fluids like saliva aren't supposed to go on tables or tableware.

WARNING: This may affect your desire to eat out in the future - but customers (of all ages) regularly drool, cough, spit up and generally rub their snot all over the table when they eat in public. When you are clearing away a table you are simply removing the top layer of assorted bodily detritus. Setting the table is when you get concerned about making sure it is as sanitary as possible for the next customer.


Which is why when you clear, you wash your hands. Remember: been in the industry for about 25 years now. Handwashing isn't just a courtesy, it's religion in this business. And yes, I know what customers are like, which is why if a plate has touched a table to a patron, it doesn't come back to the kitchen. I will remake something, but I won't touch food that customers have touched. Period. They don't like the fish, I'll make them another one. Once it hits their table, I don't want to see it again, until the dish has been washed and sanitized. And oddly enough, that is pretty much the same reason that you spray down the table and replace the silver and plates for the next folks: customers, I don't know where they've been. MY people? They are washing their hands, the silver has been washed and sannied, and for damn sure, folks wash their hands after clearing.
 
2012-12-23 02:07:02 PM

hubiestubert: why in the world would you think that feeding your child out in the dining room was OK in the first place?


Because its a dining room. Where people dine - including infants. Its not a bathroom where people poop. Its a place for people to eat. There is nothing harmful in breast milk. In fact - should some accidentally by some freak accident end up in your food it is still going to be fresher and better for you than anything out of a bottle - including baby formula.
 
2012-12-23 02:11:12 PM

quickdraw: hubiestubert: quickdraw: aimtastic: quickdraw: Yes because it is more important to keep a handful of prudes happy than do your job and feed your baby.

If those prudes are paying customers and you're the owner of the establishment, then yes, it is more important.

No it isn't. If you have a good product at a good price then a few prudes walking away and making a big fuss is just good publicity.

Do you want to see a busboy stuffing his face while clearing a table?

Well I would assume it would bother his manager since most employees generally are not paid to eat - but no it wouldnt bother me at all. If Im in an eating place and somebody else is eating I dont think I would even notice.


Food particles drop out of said busboy's mouth, they hit the table. You brush said table with your arm, his saliva has now lovingly transferred to your arm. Possibly only your plate when you reach for the salt, or pick up your sandwich, and then it can be passed straight into you. YOU may not notice it, but in the industry, that is not just a small no no, it's something that you can fire someone for. You eat, you eat away from the patrons, off the line, out of the way, and you wash up after. You don't eat on the line, you don't eat behind the bar, you wash your damn hands.
 
2012-12-23 02:14:40 PM

hubiestubert: I know what customers are like, which is why if a plate has touched a table to a patron, it doesn't come back to the kitchen. I will remake something, but I won't touch food that customers have touched. Period.


Well thats all well and good but somebody has to deal with the table after the patrons have left and thats all she was doing. Clearing off stuff from an empty table. The laws state she is allowed to breastfeed there. Period.

She isnt endangering anyone and she isnt breaking any codes or laws. Its just a bunch of busybodies who want big government to step in and further regulate the small business owner. Not only do these busybodies want to interfere with her livelihood - they want to tell her how she can raise her children as well.
 
2012-12-23 02:15:27 PM
"I was clearing a table while breastfeeding," she told CBC News.

Self-important AW.

/"Cream in your coffee, sir?"
 
2012-12-23 02:16:03 PM

hubiestubert: Food particles drop out of said busboy's mouth, they hit the table. You brush said table with your arm


Why am I brushing the table with my arm? I have already eaten and left the restaurant. The busboy is cleaning up my mess.
 
2012-12-23 02:16:42 PM
More importantly: knowing EXACTLY how nasty people are, why would you expose your child to other peoples' food detritus while they're trying to have a quiet nosh?
 
2012-12-23 02:18:03 PM
Were I a customer at her table, I'd likely giggle, compliment her on her multi-tasking abilities, and be in awe of her lack of understanding of her business' target market expectations. Then I'd tell the story for a few months over the water cooler and at parties.
 
2012-12-23 02:21:23 PM

hubiestubert: More importantly: knowing EXACTLY how nasty people are, why would you expose your child to other peoples' food detritus while they're trying to have a quiet nosh?


Babies dont need quiet to eat. All they need is their mother's breast and a room designed to be eaten in is the most logical place for babies to eat too. A place where people go to poo and throw-up makes much less sense for feeding anyone - let alone a baby.
 
2012-12-23 02:22:45 PM

quickdraw: hubiestubert: Food particles drop out of said busboy's mouth, they hit the table. You brush said table with your arm

Why am I brushing the table with my arm? I have already eaten and left the restaurant. The busboy is cleaning up my mess.


That same busboy, feeding himself, may have had a meal earlier. On your table. Before you came in. Or another. That's why you don't have folks eating while clearing. It's just plain nasty. Other peoples' food detritus mixing with your clean setting.

I like boobs. I'm glad my daughter breastfed. But there are times when it's not appropriate. I have no problem with folks breastfeeding, but while clearing tables is NOT the time. Or setting tables. Or preparing food for that matter. Timing is sort of everything here. She can breastfeed there, but there is an appropriate time for that. It's not just about where, but what tasks are being accomplished.
 
2012-12-23 02:27:29 PM

quickdraw: hubiestubert: More importantly: knowing EXACTLY how nasty people are, why would you expose your child to other peoples' food detritus while they're trying to have a quiet nosh?

Babies dont need quiet to eat. All they need is their mother's breast and a room designed to be eaten in is the most logical place for babies to eat too. A place where people go to poo and throw-up makes much less sense for feeding anyone - let alone a baby.


Who said anything about the bathroom? Feed her child at work. Even in the dining room. Just wash your hands after you clean up, and don't touch silver or plates until you do. Food regs aren't just about where and when, but procedure, and this is exactly the same issue as a busboy or waitress eating while clearing and setting a table. You don't do it, and you don't do it for good reason.
 
2012-12-23 02:28:42 PM

hubiestubert: Timing is sort of everything here.


Agreed. Thats why Im so puzzled by your reaction. I expect that the person clearing the empty table is probably going to drool - maybe even cough. I expect they will shed hair and dander and whatnot. Honestly eating is the least offensive thing people do.

But thats why we wipe the table off right before it is set right?
 
2012-12-23 02:29:15 PM

quickdraw: She isnt endangering anyone and she isnt breaking any codes or laws. Its just a bunch of busybodies who want big government to step in and further regulate the small business owner. Not only do these busybodies want to interfere with her livelihood - they want to tell her how she can raise her children as well.


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You're being deliberately hyperbolic here. I just can't tell if it's sarcasm or trolling attempt.
 
2012-12-23 02:30:24 PM

hubiestubert: Just wash your hands after you clean up, and don't touch silver or plates until you do.


Dude - she WASNT SETTING THE TABLE.

She was clearing away dirty dishes from an empty table.
 
2012-12-23 02:34:08 PM

Via Infinito: quickdraw: She isnt endangering anyone and she isnt breaking any codes or laws. Its just a bunch of busybodies who want big government to step in and further regulate the small business owner. Not only do these busybodies want to interfere with her livelihood - they want to tell her how she can raise her children as well.

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You're being deliberately hyperbolic here. I just can't tell if it's sarcasm or trolling attempt.


It is neither. I am quite sincere. I'm just using language that is generally coopted by the right. But these are busybodies who do want the govt. to step in and tell her how she can run her business and raise her child. There is no scientific or legal justification to their complaint. They just don't like it.
 
2012-12-23 02:35:56 PM

Via Infinito: This isn't a "breastfeeding on the job is bad" issue. This is a "mom is farking stupid" issue.


I think it's both, personally.  I don't care how small the restaurant is, you don't bring your baby to work and carry it around, let alone breastfeed while working.  It's not like that episode of Family Guy where Meg used Stewie to get tips, it's dumber.  Dumber than most of Family Guy since the Cleveland Show started.
 
2012-12-23 02:37:39 PM

FriarReb98: Via Infinito: This isn't a "breastfeeding on the job is bad" issue. This is a "mom is farking stupid" issue.

I think it's both, personally.  I don't care how small the restaurant is, you don't bring your baby to work and carry it around, let alone breastfeed while working.  It's not like that episode of Family Guy where Meg used Stewie to get tips, it's dumber.  Dumber than most of Family Guy since the Cleveland Show started.


Would you bring your baby to work and bottle feed her?
 
2012-12-23 02:42:11 PM

quickdraw: Via Infinito: quickdraw: She isnt endangering anyone and she isnt breaking any codes or laws. Its just a bunch of busybodies who want big government to step in and further regulate the small business owner. Not only do these busybodies want to interfere with her livelihood - they want to tell her how she can raise her children as well.

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You're being deliberately hyperbolic here. I just can't tell if it's sarcasm or trolling attempt.

It is neither. I am quite sincere. I'm just using language that is generally coopted by the right. But these are busybodies who do want the govt. to step in and tell her how she can run her business and raise her child. There is no scientific or legal justification to their complaint. They just don't like it.


I don't see how "customers getting grossed out by the lady with dirty dishes in one hand and a kid attached to boob in the other" is in any way equivalent to "busybodies wanting big government to regulate small business owner".
 
2012-12-23 02:45:44 PM

Via Infinito: I don't see how "customers getting grossed out by the lady with dirty dishes in one hand and a kid attached to boob in the other" is in any way equivalent to "busybodies wanting big government to regulate small business owner".


Because it is none of their business (thats the busybody part) that she breastfeeds her child in her own restaurant (small business owner) and yet they are calling out the health dept (big govt) to regulate her.
 
2012-12-23 02:56:58 PM

quickdraw: Via Infinito: I don't see how "customers getting grossed out by the lady with dirty dishes in one hand and a kid attached to boob in the other" is in any way equivalent to "busybodies wanting big government to regulate small business owner".

Because it is none of their business (thats the busybody part) that she breastfeeds her child in her own restaurant (small business owner) and yet they are calling out the health dept (big govt) to regulate her.


I'm sure if this woman were a bit more professional, she wouldn't be having these issues. Nobody's saying that she can't have her kid at work with her, but maybe she should separate her parental duties (breastfeeding) from her professional duties (clearing tables)? She could take a break from work, go in the back room and feed the child, then come back to work. Or better yet, she could pump and get a sitter, so she can do her job without distraction. Either way, her customers won't be getting grossed out and calling the health department on her.
 
2012-12-23 03:12:54 PM
On the plus side, if someone needed cream for their coffee, she wouldn't have to make a trip back behind the counter.
 
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