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(The Hill)   What fiscal cliff? The Senate has more important business to attend, like attempting to censor backpage.com   (thehill.com) divider line 63
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2012-12-23 12:27:09 PM  
Because child prostitution should take a back seat to everyone's pocketbook.

With that having been said, again, it's about the users, not the tools.
 
2012-12-23 12:39:05 PM  
B-B-Bu-But the children!

It's a resolution subby. In other words it's a strongly written letter.
 
2012-12-23 12:39:58 PM  
Yeah we should spend this time watching McConnell filibuster his own bills. Way more productive.
 
2012-12-23 12:41:07 PM  
The House is the one holding America hostage so the rich can get richer ate the expense of everyone else, not the Senate subby. But nice try at misdirection.
 
2012-12-23 12:42:41 PM  
Sometimes, I like to window shop.

Never pick anything out, but there are some great deals on the Tulsa one
 
2012-12-23 12:42:49 PM  
So how many people knew about backpage.com before this versus after?
 
2012-12-23 12:43:07 PM  
classified ads don't put kids into child prostitution, people put people in child prostitution.

we need an agent in every newsroom
 
2012-12-23 12:48:58 PM  
Mrbogey: So how many people knew about backpage.com before this versus after?

Not I. And are these claims of child sex trafficking through the website even remotely true? There were no citations in the article and I don't feel like wandering over to find out how easy it is for me to order a sexy child.
 
2012-12-23 12:50:15 PM  
TFA: Kirk said that experts estimate that each year as many as 300,000 children are at risk of commercial sexual exploitation in the United States

imgs.xkcd.com


That's a tenth of a percent of the entire US Population. Not impossible, but still a bit hard for me to credit at face value.
 
2012-12-23 12:51:47 PM  
I hear that fetus porn is getting popular with the pro-life crowd. Children are too old.
 
2012-12-23 12:52:12 PM  

Mrbogey: So how many people knew about backpage.com before this versus after?



Seriously... I think I might have heard about it in passing once, but I wasn't really familiar with it until I heard about it from this resolution and just took a look to see what they're talking about. Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but all I see is adults advertising services to other adults. So I'm guessing that either these idiots in the Senate are exaggerating the prevalence of the underage thing on there based on one or two real stories - or based on some bullshiat chain email a bunch of old people are FW: around to each other.

Either way, how about you a-holes in the Senate get back to farking work instead of wasting your time with bullshiat like this.
 
2012-12-23 12:53:20 PM  

ultraholland: Mrbogey: So how many people knew about backpage.com before this versus after?

Not I. And are these claims of child sex trafficking through the website even remotely true? There were no citations in the article and I don't feel like wandering over to find out how easy it is for me to order a sexy child.


Just ask Senator Vitter. I'm sure he had to find a new place to find his fix.
 
2012-12-23 12:53:30 PM  

abb3w: TFA: Kirk said that experts estimate that each year as many as 300,000 children are at risk of commercial sexual exploitation in the United States

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

That's a tenth of a percent of the entire US Population. Not impossible, but still a bit hard for me to credit at face value.


It says "at risk of"  It doesn't say how big of a risk of though.  They are also at risk of being abducted by aliens.
 
2012-12-23 12:55:20 PM  

abb3w: TFA: Kirk said that experts estimate that each year as many as 300,000 children are at risk of commercial sexual exploitation in the United States

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

That's a tenth of a percent of the entire US Population. Not impossible, but still a bit hard for me to credit at face value.


Could be awkward phrasing. It's difficult to tell whether they mean that 300,000 US children are at risk, or whether 300,000 children around the world are at risk to US based sexual exploitation. Since this is the internet, it's perfectly plausible the kids being exploited by US pedophiles are kept in a basement closet in Bangladesh. We also don't know what they mean by "at risk." Could be that only 5% of "at risk" kids are actually exploited. Would 15,000 kids be a more plausible number for you?
 
2012-12-23 12:55:56 PM  

ultraholland: Mrbogey: So how many people knew about backpage.com before this versus after?

Not I. And are these claims of child sex trafficking through the website even remotely true? There were no citations in the article and I don't feel like wandering over to find out how easy it is for me to order a sexy child.


Short answer: no
 
2012-12-23 12:56:09 PM  

abb3w: TFA: Kirk said that experts estimate that each year as many as 300,000 children are at risk of commercial sexual exploitation in the United States

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

That's a tenth of a percent of the entire US Population. Not impossible, but still a bit hard for me to credit at face value.


I would imagine that the statistic is hiding behind the phrase "at risk". What constitutes being at risk? Living within a half-mile of a convicted sex offender?
 
2012-12-23 12:57:41 PM  

Moosecakes: ultraholland: Mrbogey: So how many people knew about backpage.com before this versus after?

Not I. And are these claims of child sex trafficking through the website even remotely true? There were no citations in the article and I don't feel like wandering over to find out how easy it is for me to order a sexy child.

Short answer: no


Didn't mean to hit the OK button yet.

The Village Voice has written some pretty spirited defenses of Backpage before, and it's pretty clear that they take child trafficking pretty seriously, and that it doesn't happen. It's just politicians looking for a boogeyman.

Also, The Village Voice spun Backpage off into its own business a while back, so they have no control of it bow anyway.
 
2012-12-23 12:59:58 PM  
Nice of the senate to attack anything but the real problem of child prostitution. Aren't a lot of the children who are sexually abused are abused by family members or people they know? Maybe the Senate should ask the pedophiles where they got a hold of the children they abused.
 
2012-12-23 01:01:09 PM  
skinink, you said "abused" thrice.
 
2012-12-23 01:01:39 PM  
The Senate has already passed legislation that would resolve the "fiscal cliff". The house refused to take it up.

Doesn't subby understand the operations of a BICAMERAL legislative body?

Say it ain't so....
 
2012-12-23 01:02:00 PM  
If people really use public advertising to sell illegal goods and services then why on earth would any one in government complains? Doesn't it make easier to investigate and arrest criminals? Do those senators believe that public advertising makes the police work too easy?
 
2012-12-23 01:02:16 PM  
"Just a few clicks on this site easily enables 'johns' to purchase children for sex. ..."

Hold on a minute, there -- Are there ads on the site for child prostitutes? One would expect there are already laws against that sort of thing.

Or are we playing a Kevin Bacon game? Are the underage sex workers a few clicks *away* from the page, where you have to click on a link to a page with a link to a page with a link ... and so on? If that's the case, you could use the same argument against Google or *any* search engine. Or Fark.com. Any given Foobies link could be six degrees of separation from something illegal.
 
2012-12-23 01:08:52 PM  

ultraholland: Not I. And are these claims of child sex trafficking through the website even remotely true? There were no citations in the article and I don't feel like wandering over to find out how easy it is for me to order a sexy child.


I was a bit nervous about googling info on it. But I looked it over. It's essentially Craigslist.
 
2012-12-23 01:09:35 PM  
The Senate passed a bill to avert the fiscal cliff... Boehner refuses to put it up for a vote in the House.
 
2012-12-23 01:09:59 PM  
I'm guessing Sen. Mark Kirk knows a thing or two about searching the web for classified ads

/a few clicks, eh, Senator?
 
2012-12-23 01:11:50 PM  
Mrbogey: I was a bit nervous about googling info on it. But I looked it over. It's essentially Craigslist.

yeah, I just browsed it and they all appear well over-age.
 
2012-12-23 01:11:54 PM  
The senate already passed a bill fixing the fiscal cliff long ago. The house is the place that has done nothing.
 
2012-12-23 01:12:13 PM  

abb3w: TFA: Kirk said that experts estimate that each year as many as 300,000 children are at risk of commercial sexual exploitation in the United States

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

That's a tenth of a percent of the entire US Population. Not impossible, but still a bit hard for me to credit at face value.


Its possible, but yeah, they could be misinterpreting the numbers: Lets see, 2011: Around 750,000 children victims of abuse/neglect, around 400,000 + ended up in foster care via childrendefense.org but also bear in mind this represents the number that gets actually reported, and not all abuse/neglect does, so its possible the number is much bigger, and could include 300000 kids being sexually exploited.
 
2012-12-23 01:13:01 PM  
Guns Classified ads don't kill people fark children, people pedophiles kill people fark children.

And occassional Rush Limbaugh. But only brownish kids outside the continental US.
 
2012-12-23 01:27:53 PM  

abb3w: TFA: Kirk said that experts estimate that each year as many as 300,000 children are at risk of commercial sexual exploitation in the United States



That's a tenth of a percent of the entire US Population. Not impossible, but still a bit hard for me to credit at face value.


Isn't 300,000 1%, not 10% of the U.S. population? I think it's 10% of Chicago's population.
 
2012-12-23 01:31:20 PM  

Mrbogey: ultraholland: Not I. And are these claims of child sex trafficking through the website even remotely true? There were no citations in the article and I don't feel like wandering over to find out how easy it is for me to order a sexy child.

I was a bit nervous about googling info on it. But I looked it over. It's essentially Craigslist.


took a look and you're right. lots of "escorts" no obvious kiddies. one wonders how these guys find this stuff.
 
2012-12-23 01:42:24 PM  
Kirk said that experts estimate that each year as many as 300,000 children are at risk of commercial sexual exploitation in the United States
In other news, 314,000,000 are at risk of being killed my a meteor at any moment! We need to start digging shelters immediately.

/No mineshaft gap for me, no sir!
 
2012-12-23 01:48:49 PM  

abb3w: TFA: Kirk said that experts estimate that each year as many as 33,300,000 children are at risk of commercial sexual exploitation in the United States

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

That's a tenth of a percent of the entire US Population. Not impossible, but still a bit hard for me to credit at face value.


FTFE

/just got back from the "war on Xmas" thread, felt it appropriate
//already spent way more than I wanted to this year
 
2012-12-23 01:50:31 PM  
Want to know when fascism is being rammed down your throat? When it's wrapped in the disguise of "DO IT FOR DAH CHIWWWWWWWWWLDWENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!"
 
2012-12-23 01:52:07 PM  

Curious: Mrbogey: ultraholland: Not I. And are these claims of child sex trafficking through the website even remotely true? There were no citations in the article and I don't feel like wandering over to find out how easy it is for me to order a sexy child.

I was a bit nervous about googling info on it. But I looked it over. It's essentially Craigslist.

took a look and you're right. lots of "escorts" no obvious kiddies. one wonders how these guys find this stuff.


It's a little more complicated than that. What are "consenting" adults, could be people that were sold/abducted into sex slavery years ago, as children.

Message paroles/private dance rooms, hotel/apartment meeting place... And apparently restaurants and cafe's could have women/men who may be "paying off" some form of family debt.

Craig's list used to work closely with law enforcement and reported any sucpicions activities. But public outcry had been so large- that They threw in the towel. Now law enforcement has one less eye out there.
 
2012-12-23 02:00:31 PM  
Inconsolable:

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-23 02:02:08 PM  
I know subby meant it rhetorically, but 'what fiscal cliff?' is actually a very good question.

Nothing stops congress from retroactively restoring tax rates at any point during the next fiscal year. Nothing stops congress from restoring spending levels at any point. So aside from a few of the side issues that aren't even in consideration to be extended during these talks, (e.g. extending unemployment benefits) everything is reversible.

To call this a cliff is to illustrate a point of no return, which is a complete farce. There is virtually nothing magical the January 1st date that is not reversible by the next congress.
 
2012-12-23 02:07:43 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: abb3w: TFA: Kirk said that experts estimate that each year as many as 300,000 children are at risk of commercial sexual exploitation in the United States

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

That's a tenth of a percent of the entire US Population. Not impossible, but still a bit hard for me to credit at face value.

I would imagine that the statistic is hiding behind the phrase "at risk". What constitutes being at risk? Living within a half-mile of a convicted sex offender?


Wearing slutty clothes. Having male relatives.

Seriously, the "experts" behind that statistic were exposed long ago as pure charlatans who made up their shiat.
 
2012-12-23 02:09:06 PM  
Hey Congress, rather than taking down backpage...why not legalize prostitution.  That would do more to fight child sex trafficking than taking down a website.  The operators will host the site in a country where prostitution is legal or another site that takes ads for prostitutes will spring up.
 
2012-12-23 02:15:49 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: LouDobbsAwaaaay: abb3w: TFA: Kirk said that experts estimate that each year as many as 300,000 children are at risk of commercial sexual exploitation in the United States

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

That's a tenth of a percent of the entire US Population. Not impossible, but still a bit hard for me to credit at face value.

I would imagine that the statistic is hiding behind the phrase "at risk". What constitutes being at risk? Living within a half-mile of a convicted sex offender?

Wearing slutty clothes. Having male relatives.

Seriously, the "experts" behind that statistic were exposed long ago as pure charlatans who made up their shiat.


Well, technically, 100% of the entire US Population is "at risk" of commercial sexual exploitation. So it's basically a meaningless statement used to fear up stupid people.
 
2012-12-23 02:24:31 PM  
Streisand effect.

Great job, family values.
 
2012-12-23 02:26:00 PM  

talkertopc: If people really use public advertising to sell illegal goods and services then why on earth would any one in government complains? Doesn't it make easier to investigate and arrest criminals? Do those senators believe that public advertising makes the police work too easy?


This was craigslists' argument, but it's more about scoring political points than actually preventing crime.
 
2012-12-23 03:22:38 PM  

Emposter: abb3w: TFA: Kirk said that experts estimate that each year as many as 300,000 children are at risk of commercial sexual exploitation in the United States

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

That's a tenth of a percent of the entire US Population. Not impossible, but still a bit hard for me to credit at face value.

Could be awkward phrasing. It's difficult to tell whether they mean that 300,000 US children are at risk, or whether 300,000 children around the world are at risk to US based sexual exploitation. Since this is the internet, it's perfectly plausible the kids being exploited by US pedophiles are kept in a basement closet in Bangladesh. We also don't know what they mean by "at risk." Could be that only 5% of "at risk" kids are actually exploited. Would 15,000 kids be a more plausible number for you?


Just pull a number outa your azz, they are all made up any how.

Kinda like the estimated 150,000 prostitutes that descended on Arlington Texas during the Superbowl two years ago, most of whom were child prostitues.

That's over 1/2 the population of Arlington.
 
2012-12-23 03:24:36 PM  

DeaH: abb3w: TFA: Kirk said that experts estimate that each year as many as 300,000 children are at risk of commercial sexual exploitation in the United States

That's a tenth of a percent of the entire US Population. Not impossible, but still a bit hard for me to credit at face value.

Isn't 300,000 1%, not 10% of the U.S. population? I think it's 10% of Chicago's population.


Its 10% of the children in elementary school.
 
2012-12-23 03:28:55 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Curious: Mrbogey: ultraholland: Not I. And are these claims of child sex trafficking through the website even remotely true? There were no citations in the article and I don't feel like wandering over to find out how easy it is for me to order a sexy child.

I was a bit nervous about googling info on it. But I looked it over. It's essentially Craigslist.

took a look and you're right. lots of "escorts" no obvious kiddies. one wonders how these guys find this stuff.

It's a little more complicated than that. What are "consenting" adults, could be people that were sold/abducted into sex slavery years ago, as children.

Message paroles/private dance rooms, hotel/apartment meeting place... And apparently restaurants and cafe's could have women/men who may be "paying off" some form of family debt.

Craig's list used to work closely with law enforcement and reported any sucpicions activities. But public outcry had been so large- that They threw in the towel. Now law enforcement has one less eye out there.


There was no public out cry for Craigslist to shutdown it's naughty section, just pressure from the Attorney Generals in New Jersey and North Carolina.

They all moved to Backpage, owned by a much larger corp (New Times).

Shutdown Backpage and they will just move to another site, probably one more underground, perhaps like SilkRoad, only reachable via TOR.
 
2012-12-23 03:39:42 PM  
yup backpage is a hotbed of child prostitution, and vietnamese cafes are just fronts for brothels.
 
2012-12-23 03:40:22 PM  

slayer199: Hey Congress, rather than taking down backpage...why not legalize prostitution.  That would do more to fight child sex trafficking than taking down a website.  The operators will host the site in a country where prostitution is legal or another site that takes ads for prostitutes will spring up.


BUT JESUS!

/Legalization is the simplest solution. Nevada didn't turn into a pillar of salt. And it would make things safer for all involved.
 
2012-12-23 03:40:23 PM  

ultraholland: Mrbogey: I was a bit nervous about googling info on it. But I looked it over. It's essentially Craigslist.

yeah, I just browsed it and they all appear well over-age.


Every post in every category for my city was ad spam.
 
2012-12-23 04:35:03 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: What are "consenting" adults,


some chick on crack or meth trying to feed her habit isn't "consenting". some chick with major daddy issues and a pimp isn't "consenting" but all that's besides the point. what you said about craigslist is what's wrong with getting all moral and trying to shut stuff off.

besides the whole issue of having to buy sex. how pathetic is that?
 
2012-12-23 05:05:59 PM  

Curious: Darth_Lukecash: What are "consenting" adults,

some chick on crack or meth trying to feed her habit isn't "consenting". some chick with major daddy issues and a pimp isn't "consenting" but all that's besides the point. what you said about craigslist is what's wrong with getting all moral and trying to shut stuff off.

besides the whole issue of having to buy sex. how pathetic is that?


As long as you call it "dating" or "marriage", there's nothing wrong with it.
 
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