bunner: I AM NOT GOING TO STAND FOR ALL OF THIS STAMP COLLECTING! STAMP COLLECTORS ARE IDIOTS AND YOU CAN'T COLLECT STAMPS WITHIN 500 FEET OF ME!Get it?
BronyMedic: Vodka Zombie: St_Francis_P: And they must be stoppedUhm...why?Because JESUS!!!You've got to remember the reason for the season.[feyboy.com image 467x256]Drunken debauched violence-filled sex for everyone.
Vodka Zombie: St_Francis_P: And they must be stoppedUhm...why?Because JESUS!!!
Shazam999: So yeah, see, it's okay for you act the way you do, but heaven forbid someone acts they way you don't want them to. And forget letting people make judgements on their own - you need to protect them from what is obviously false, to you - because there's no way they're as smart as you, and therefore can't make the same judgement.
ParaHandy: It's actually a war on the Christina religion piggybacking the various winter solstice traditions. It was Saturnalia and Yule and all that long before the god botherers came around.My personal war is against dis-information and its negative effects. All religions are disinformation, and their adherents to believe untrue myths. This is their absolute right in their private spaces and churches, but it impacts us all when they try to insert it into public life.The billboard in Times Square is a bit unfortunate .... there is some evidence (and no, writings 400 years after the fact are not evidence) that there was a real, historical philosopher called Jesus / Issa, who was in fact crucified by the Romans. Admittedly less than there is for the existence of Paul and some others, and the Jesus in the bible may in fact be a fictional idealized amalgam of Paul and others.Why can't they all just move into compounds?
Rufus Lee King: Seriously, though, you "atheist" types: what's the deal with trying to rain on people's parades? It's infantile, and speaks volumes about you. Shut the f__k up.
Gosling: telling all who will listen of the benefits of atheism, trying to convert people to atheism
Shazam999: had98c: In this alternate world do people worship Harry Potter as a god and base their views on same sex marriage on lines from The Goblet of Fire?Honestly, so what?When you get older in life, you will find that a great deal of people will disagree with you on a great deal of subjects.You live in a country where free speech is sacrosanct. So you can either live your life and enjoy it or keep griping about what other people think.Are you sure you're not the lunatic?
Rufus Lee King: If you want to be an atheist, be an atheist.However, the "HEY, EVERYBODY!!! LOOKIT ME!!! I'M AN ATHEIST!!!" thing is best left out.No one cares about your personal problems.
letrole: Atheism is a Religion.
Theonceovertwice: I'm an atheist, and I have no problem with Christmas.
bunner: Keizer_Ghidorah: Yeah, it makes it hard to discuss anything with someone who petulantly dismisses everything shown to him and insists on acting like a child when discussing things.Can't be more difficult than trying to discuss things with dime store pedagogues with blanket authority postures and "dear me, I just SAID everything works like THIS" as a scientific absolute. And that's fine, but pull my ear and you lose a hand. : )
mediablitz: Anyone claiming atheism is a religion is a farking retard. Period. End of story.
mediablitz: If I can't see the nativity scene at the public park while I'm driving to Walmart to support CHRISTmas, my religion will collapse!
bunner: Get it?
ToxicMunkee: This year the Christmas season started before most people were done eating their Thanksgiving dinner. The War on Christmas is a lie.
ParaHandy: My personal war is against dis-information and its negative effects. All religions are disinformation, and their adherents to believe untrue myths. This is their absolute right in their private spaces and churches, but it impacts us all when they try to insert it into public life.
Shazam999: They don't really seem pro-atheist as they mostly anti-religion.
TerminalEchoes: Because many atheists are simply miserable people who won't stop until the rest of the planet is miserable along with them.
Quaker: Mambo Bananapatch: Gyrfalcon: Why exactly is it wrong to want "Peace on earth, good will to men"?It's not....?Quaker: ParaHandy: You can't prove a negative, ever. There is an invisible monster under your bed that only I can see.Guest: There is a Unicorn in your kitchen.I completely agree that either of those things could be true. I'm betting that they aren't so that is what I would base any actual decisions I make on, but I would never go as far as to say I'm absolutely sure that you're wrong about that.I can say, with absolute certainty, that there is not an invisible monster under anybody's bed that only they can see, or that there is a unicorn in anybody's kitchen.If I'm proved wrong I shall, red-faced, admit it. But keeping an open mind doesn't mean you have to be stupid.The fact that you acknowledge the possibility of being proven wrong, however remote, proves my point that you're not really absolutely certain.
Gyrfalcon: Why exactly is it wrong to want "Peace on earth, good will to men"?
Quaker: ParaHandy: You can't prove a negative, ever. There is an invisible monster under your bed that only I can see.Guest: There is a Unicorn in your kitchen.I completely agree that either of those things could be true. I'm betting that they aren't so that is what I would base any actual decisions I make on, but I would never go as far as to say I'm absolutely sure that you're wrong about that.
ParaHandy: You can't prove a negative, ever. There is an invisible monster under your bed that only I can see.
Guest: There is a Unicorn in your kitchen.
RabidJade: Gato Blanco: Atheism is a lack of belief in a deity. Some religions are atheistic, but atheism itself is not a religion. It's like saying stamp collecting is a hobby, therefore not collecting stamps is also a hobby.I would say "proving the fact why collecting stamps is wrong and I will prove it to you based on my opinion" is a hobby. For a lot out there, Atheism is not a non-hobby as your comparison described.
Clemkadidlefark: Anyway ... if you have no values, there's no point in tradition ....
DaCaptain19: I am an atheist and personally I'd love to see any person who follows a "higher power" strung up by the neck until dead.Religion has been the most destructive force since the beginning of mankind. F*ck the religious - I'd love to have a license to kill you all.It's not genocide, it's godocide. So f*ck god, f*ck jesus, f*ck mary, f*ck allah and f*ck whatever other "gods" are out there.You're all fools.
BillDozer357: Bhruic: FTA: What's more, most American nonbelievers are not even atheistsUm, no. Most non-religious Americans might not be atheists, but if you are nonbeliever, you are, by definition, an atheist.Or agnostic, or non-theist, or Laveyan Satanists even. There are many types of non-believers.
Slam1263: It's almost the end of another year.I am still not small minded, nor mean spirited enough to be a Atheist.To each their own, I like to say, unless your own is telling others what they can or cannot believe in.
The One True TheDavid: That said, to return to "the reason for the season," where would Jesus shop?
jso2897: I don't get "angry atheists". If I had time for horseshiat like religion, I'd join one of the more profitable ones and get paid for it. I don't. And I don't have time, energy, or inclination to go around deliberately riling up the stupidest, most ignorant, and most violent people in our culture.F**k you, angry atheists - when you deliberately provoke killer apes, you deserve to get your face bitten off.But I would like to thank you for making life more difficult and unpleasant for normal non-believers like me - in fact, I'd like to thank your face with an aluminum softball bat.
ten foiled hats: bunner: ten foiled hats: I think it just scares the sh*t out of some people. For others, eh, good riddance to bad rubbish.I think false dichotomies are the impetus of flags and flags are a bad idea, so far.Alright. I drink beer to keep the scary jewish zombie from returning and casting me into the eternal hellfire.Working so far.
Keizer_Ghidorah: bunner: We're all twitchy about all of this because all of the things we built upon, belief or non belief, are losing their meaning. What we're not bright enough to do, it seems, is take a hard, long view look at what were all replacing it with, without question.When humans were more primitive and stupid, they created gods for everything. Lightning and thunder were two divine brothers fighting over a woman, Zeus tossing thunderbolts at things that annoyed him, or a gigantic bird who fired lightning with each flap of its wings. The turning of the seasons was the deity of the climate being sad when her daughter was in the underworld and happy when she was with her. Every tree, every rock, every animal was the home of some manner of god, demigod, or other divine being. People once believed that sneezing causes your soul to fly out of your body, and saying "Bless you" prevented the Devil from taking its place. As we became smarter, as we began to explore and test and observe, we no longer needed gods to explain how things work. Like a child growing up and learning that Santa Claus is really his parents buying the presents from the store, humanity is growing up and leaving behind the need for fairy tales.And ever notice how many gods and goddesses are created in the image of man? Even the more non-human, like the Egyptian gods, were humans with animal heads. Humans are a very self-centered and arrogant species.
letrole: Atheism is a Religion. A piss-poor Religion, but a Religion regardless.The amusing part is where an almost endless supply of Schoolboy Atheists will launch into ever-decreasing circles of denial, and exercises of semantics worthy of any medieval theologian.
Boojum2k: Theonceovertwice: I'm an atheist, and I have no problem with Christmas.Agnostic, but this.The 90% of atheists who act like expressions of other peoples belief is a supernatural force that will harm them make the reasonable 10% look bad.
bunner: So far, all I see is a lot of dismissive snorting, arrogant authority postures, some pretty nebulous science and straight off the ready to wear rack trolling. I do have the advantage of expecting nothing else, though. Nobody knows, folks. That's the adventure.
letrole: ParaHandy: so nearly all of it is moving away from us faster than the speed of lightletrole: watParaHandy: No, really it's true. Would I troll a trole?It's a crock, like dark matter. Pure conjecture. Frankly, the numbers don't add up. So as a matter of faith, two cheats are used: the idea that space itself expands, and that the majority of the universe is missing in the form of purposely scare-quoted "dark matter".
ParaHandy: There is nothing super special about earth,
bunner: Keizer_Ghidorah: What does being there have to do with it? Science and logic, along with the history of Earth, shows that there's no evidence of super-duper beings. Earth is 4.5 billion years old, not 6,000 years. That alone throws the Christian side out the window.But.. teh AL1ENS! See, the thing is, the only one provable thing in this whole maelstrom of "huh UH!" is we don't really know. We do, it seems NEED to know, though. I think we should focus on that.
bunner: They are. Nothing turning into everything is just as ludicrous as some big guy with a beard knocking together a petri dish with us in it. It really, really is. The fact that you need to rabidly attack me with false assertions, strawmen ("Oh so you're saying that...") IS a strawman, kid) and to equate being annoying and insulting with some sort of intellectual acuity got boring about 20 posts ago. Kid. And frankly, nothing says "Um, this guy is a little too worked up about this" like being a rabid, pushy dolt. It's an absolute plastic bag over the head of anything like a self evidently valid argument, Ask anybody who has chased Mormons away from his door. So... here is where I shut your silly ass off and the universe continues to do whatever it's doing and you say "z0mG!11 I am s0 teh W1N cause he had to like IGNOR3 ME!" You get the feeling I've sat through this movie before? : )
bunner: "All this shiat evolved from some carbon and water that suddenly got a huge bug up it's ass and decided to mutate into about 290457892783498579028375689724958 different things from single cells." "Uh, otay, Pokey."
letrole: gad: Atheists are doing what they need to do to be heard and to gain some position in the society.bunner: So stop trying to get a gold star from the people you insist oppress and loathe you. It makes you look silly.Atheists demand respect and expect acceptance of their beliefs. Atheists feel dirty inside. All the anger, the forced arrogance, the belligerence -- it's simply shame turned inside out.
rko281: I'd actually be an atheist if I could somehow muster that kind of deep, unquestioning faith that I was absolutely, infallibly right and there were no other possibilities.
Rufus Lee King: Medic Zero: You mean like all those fine folks who can't speak a sentence without a "praise the lord" or somesuch included?I don't know any of these folks you mention. I'm fifty-five years old, and have never met one.
bunner: With all due respect, nothing about "whatever you think is super dumb" begs much of a response that I can actually say with a straight face.
letrole: I noticed a lot of these goobers have started bleating about strawman this and strawman that.The bad part is that there aren't any strawman arguments being exposed. Please learn a new farking word.Strawman is the new Troll.
kingoomieiii: bunner: Buffalo77: Yeah brave atheists, go go go. Brave atheists keep up the work.Next up, start the war on muslim holiday, go to a mosque and draw pictures of mocking Mohammed.yeah, brave atheists go do that.Hey, Hey HEY! Let's not get all out of hand here!Atheists in Islamic countries take on Islam.
Darth_Lukecash: Who said it would be better? I'm sure we'll find some philosophical/political theory to fight about. I'm just saying that certain things will be abandoned.
Amos Quito: thornhill: Amos Quito: Do atheists ever troll Jews? Not in Israel (Jews trolling Jews), but here in the US?Probably not because Jews generally don't push public policy based on their religion.They don't?
thornhill: Amos Quito: Do atheists ever troll Jews? Not in Israel (Jews trolling Jews), but here in the US?
fluffy2097: Cheesus: fluffy2097: Cheesus: I'm sure there are athiests out there that despise Christmas and want it completely destroyed. Most of us just want the constitution upheld.That's a good laugh./r/atheism regularly talks about how much better the world will be when the final solution of getting rid of all religion is implemented.And Freepers are representative of all Republicans.Unlike free republic, Reddit actually has a sizable user base and the people who post regularly number in the tens to hundreds of thousands (since it's a default sub you can't tell who's just stuck reading their garbage).so yes, /r/atheism is in fact a representative sample.
GAT_00: When you live down here, you really do feel threatened just for being nonreligious and are treated as a threat by supposedly good Christians who hate you.
thornhill: Amos Quito: Do atheists ever troll Jews? Not in Israel (Jews trolling Jews), but here in the US?Probably not because Jews generally don't push public policy based on their religion. I mean, when was the last time you heard someone who was Jewish complain about the lack of school prayer or teaching evolution?
Amos Quito: Pitabred: Buffalo77: Yeah brave atheists, go go go. Brave atheists keep up the work.Next up, start the war on muslim holiday, go to a mosque and draw pictures of mocking Mohammed.yeah, brave atheists go do that.DoneNext?Okay, now troll Jews!Do atheists ever troll Jews? Not in Israel (Jews trolling Jews), but here in the US?
fluffy2097: Pitabred: Buffalo77: Yeah brave atheists, go go go. Brave atheists keep up the work.Next up, start the war on muslim holiday, go to a mosque and draw pictures of mocking Mohammed.yeah, brave atheists go do that.DoneNext?So the internet is a mosque now?Do something beyond the confines of your keyboard.
Amos Quito: Do atheists ever troll Jews? Not in Israel (Jews trolling Jews), but here in the US?
letrole: Now I Is! The moral code of a Druid, for example, is quite staunchly against any form of bigotry, misogyny, or dogmatic disbelief in the fundamental principles of nature.Off to good and inclusive start, but then they lose points with the bit concerning human sacrifices and playing football with the skulls of the enemy killed in battle.
Molavian: Darth_Lukecash: It's not faith, it's knowlege. It's what you can prove.I'm pretty sure you have to take a ton of shiat that other people prove on faith, since you can't possibly understand how to prove it on your own.
Fade2black: How did Atheists manage to go about their daily lives for the past hundreds of years before these Wars on Christmas started? THE HUGE MANATEE!!!Or you could be some seculiar sect of the douchebag liberal "i'm a victim" by proxy. Either way even Penn Jillette thinks most Atheists act like retards.
Amos Quito: Sorry atheists, but I really don't understand the POUTRAGE!WTF do you care?[i1121.photobucket.com image 496x484]^ What "activist atheists" might look like ^
Fade2black: Any Atheist already took that medal home.
12349876: Gosling: telling all who will listen of the benefits of atheism, trying to convert people to atheismIf that's your criteria for a religion, just about everything is a religion. Every product advertised on your TV is a religion, here's the benefits of the Ford Focus and why you should convert from your stupid Toyota.
Repo Man: whatshisname: david_gaithersburg: On the bright side, we can take some enjoyment in the fact that a number of these evangelical atheist will off themselves at some point between now and Valentine's Day.WTF?He seems to be under the impression that we're having a Who Can Be The Biggest Asshole contest on Fark, and he's going for gold.
Darth_Lukecash: It's not faith, it's knowlege. It's what you can prove.
Rufus Lee King: First, no one is trying to "oppress" you, or anything of that nature.
bunner: If you're all f*cked up about people knocking up some blowmold figurines and some straw and a balsa wood hut once a year, I mean if this DEEPLY AFFECTS YOU, I'd ease up on the intellectual superiority fandango a bit.
mediablitz: Give me a call the next time an angry mob of atheists burns someone to death because of their religion.
specialkae: "In small-town USA, people are much more likely to be anti-religious because they have religion thrown in their face all the time - prayers at little league, prayers at city council meetings, Nativity scenes and Ten Commandments billboards, preachers on the radio and TV, etc. - and their lack of religion is often associated with being immoral."So much THIS. I lived in a smaller community, roughly 40K, for about 7 years. I am a Pagan, my best friend (who recently passed, sadly) was a die hard atheist. Let's just say that she and I compared notes time and time again about the discrimination and bigotry of our community over the years. Narrow minded, and sometimes very nasty people would give each of us a hard time, and don't get me started on the teasing and questioning I got from me being a person of faith and my best friend being godless. Ridiculous. I'm not one bit anti Christmas (Christians however should be aware by now that they basically co-opted beliefs of many older systems and be accepting about it) and neither was my atheist friend-she and her husband celebrated it as a secular holiday that was all about food and seeing family and friends together and rejoicing that spring would be on the way. She just got her back up, as did I, when dealing with bigoted arseholes in small town America who were utterly convinced we would be the downfall of their fair community./my departed godless friend was one of only a handful of people I could discuss ethics, religion and politics sensibly with//ashes to ashes and all that
Iron Felix: Atheists who try to get all up in peoples' faces about it are just as bad as religious nuts who try to get all up in peoples' faces abut it.
david_gaithersburg: Ahhh, another hate speech thread.
vpb: "Here's the bottom line: Where religion is weak, atheism is weak" in its intensity, says Pitzer sociologist Phil Zuckerman. "Where religion is strong, atheism is strong."This organized Atheism thing is just a reaction to obnoxious bible thumpers.
RexTalionis: Hey, Christians. Rampant commercialism destroyed Christmas long before atheists even bothered to care.
GAT_00: That argument makes a lot of sense. When you live down here, you really do feel threatened just for being nonreligious and are treated as a threat by supposedly good Christians who hate you.
Bhruic: FTA: What's more, most American nonbelievers are not even atheistsUm, no. Most non-religious Americans might not be atheists, but if you are nonbeliever, you are, by definition, an atheist.
Dead for Tax Reasons: ToxicMunkee: This year the Christmas season started before most people were done eating their Thanksgiving dinner. The War on Christmas is a lie.Thanksgiving?Halloween is starting to feel threatened
St_Francis_P: And they must be stoppedUhm...why?
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