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2012-12-23 07:34:16 PM  
For what it's worth, the true essence of Christianity is "Slaves, obey your masters!" (Ephesians 6:5 and Colossians 3:22) In return, after a life of being bossed around, beaten, robbed, raped and maimed while forgiven those who sin against you and turning the other cheek, you'll get to feel special because you think you'll go to Heaven. This is why the Roman Empire turned it into the official religion. And while on the one hand the Church taught the rulers a little bit about treating their underlings as if they might be worth a penny or two, they also encouraged Christian rulers to send their underlings to become sick, maimed or dead fighting against pagans, heretics, eventually allowing the rulers to conquer and enslave the peasants of the Christian land next door in exchange for money, power and influence. It's hard to imagine worshippers of Isis doing likewise. "Old Testament" Judaism was right out because reading was widespread among the Jews of the Empire and their community had some money from long-distance trade and medicine: before the days of th Internet it was far safer to build a state religion on the faith of illiterate and superstitious slaves. (Islam, the "Conquer the world for Allah!" religion, would have done as well or better, for slightly different reasons, but it hadn't been invented yet.)

That said, to return to "the reason for the season," where would Jesus shop?
 
2012-12-23 07:34:46 PM  

letrole: letrole: Well other species would be very self-centred and arrogant if they weren't dumb beasts incapable of higher intellect and emotions.

Keizer_Ghidorah: Now we're using the "Everything would be just like humans if they were as smart as humans" thing? I refer back to the arrogance of humans for this.


Well, one thing is for sure. You're not likely to get all arrogant about your intellect and lord it over the farm animals.

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Oh, the animals, oh, the animals!
Let's talk dirty to the animals.
F**k you, Mrs. Bunny!
Eat shiat, Mr. Bear!
If they don't love it, they can shove it - we don't really care!
 
2012-12-23 07:35:02 PM  

letrole: Darth_Lukecash: Religion is a belief system that contains a supernatural element.

Buddhism


Oh yes it does ....

Also, Buddha is not a surname, it's a title given to one who has reached Nirvana, or total enlightenment.

I will say that the world would be a better place if some of the Indian religions had displaced the more violent ones like Christianity and Islam a long time ago.
 
2012-12-23 07:35:57 PM  
can we PLEASE let xmas just be a non denominational holiday? PLEASE?
 
2012-12-23 07:36:36 PM  

verbaltoxin: jso2897: I don't get "angry atheists". If I had time for horseshiat like religion, I'd join one of the more profitable ones and get paid for it. I don't. And I don't have time, energy, or inclination to go around deliberately riling up the stupidest, most ignorant, and most violent people in our culture.
F**k you, angry atheists - when you deliberately provoke killer apes, you deserve to get your face bitten off.
But I would like to thank you for making life more difficult and unpleasant for normal non-believers like me - in fact, I'd like to thank your face with an aluminum softball bat.

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You need one of these!
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It's an ITG filter!
 
2012-12-23 07:37:49 PM  

TheOriginalEd: can we PLEASE let xmas just be a non denominational holiday? PLEASE?


Fine with me. I just want everybody to be happy. Or at least, miserable in silence.
 
2012-12-23 07:39:01 PM  

Cheesus: Religion is for church.

You've just missed the whole point of the First Amendment.

The point of separation of Church and State is to forbid the 'establishment' of any belief system. The Supreme Court has already ruled that a wholesale ban on religious speech in public (both generally and in the specific 'government funded location' sense) amounts to a de facto establishment of state atheism.

The First Amendment protects public religious speech just as much as it protects Gay Pride parades. If someone finds either one of those offensive or annoying, that means the First Amendment is doing its job.

No one in the US has the right to be protected from speech they disagree with or consider offensive. By the same token, no one in the US is guaranteed an audience that will hear and respect what they say. Your right to speak is precisely balanced by my right to ignore you. Even if I consider the things you say abhorrent, I will slap the living shiat out of anyone who tries to deprive me of my right to hear, disagree with, and ignore them.
 
2012-12-23 07:41:40 PM  

bunner: farked3ways2sunday: All I know is, I have seen very little in way of happy people in these past few weeks. Christmas is a commercialized sham.

The ghetto is how you live, not where live. Things respond to how they're used. If you wipe your ass with something, it's toilet paper. Happiness is infectious. To be honest, I don't see a lot of happy people much anymore, either. Not even on TeeVee. Everybody is selling the metrics of the big bug up their rear ends. Even with staged dramas that are entirely made up, the characters are all suffering from terminal minor annoyance. I wonder who they think wins.


Interesting thought. Minor annoyance is terminal; minor annoyance wins! Do the characters go to the heaven? Characters win! EVERYBODY WINS!

But then, does the minor annoyance need the characters to survive? Or can it just move to another host? (It seems to be the latter.) And if it can't survive without the characters, and so dies itself, does it go to minor annoyance the heaven? Minor annoyance wins!
 
2012-12-23 07:41:55 PM  

farked3ways2sunday: LargeCanine: Brave? When these Atheists go to Egypt to oppose Sharia, then they can claim courage.

Then they would most certainly die by the hands of those medieval savages. Not saying we're better, not by any means. Just that they are THAT much more screwed up than we are. People there think religious education will feed them and remain willfully uneducated and marred by false ideas. The ones that do get smart, convince others to strap on bomb-vest to blow up innocents. And as the wheels roll on.


Don't get me wrong, I don't expect them to go there. I would say they were idiots if they did. I just don't think its in any way "brave" to advocate an opinion in the USA. There is nothing to fear, therefore controlling fear - a fair definition of courage - is not an issue. They are in greater danger of Smug.
 
2012-12-23 07:47:38 PM  
Darth_Lukecash: Religion is a belief system that contains a supernatural element.
letrole: Buddhism
ParaHandy: Oh yes it does ....

The Dalai Lama states:
"From one viewpoint, Buddhism is a religion, from another viewpoint Buddhism is a science of mind and not a religion. Buddhism can be a bridge between these two sides. Therefore, with this conviction I try to have closer ties with scientists, mainly in the fields of cosmology, psychology, neurobiology and physics. In these fields there are insights to share, and to a certain extent we can work together."
 
2012-12-23 08:07:09 PM  

mbillips: The One True TheDavid:

[...]


SHOP LESS, PRAY MORE!

Your blog sucks.

/Secular Christmas is awesome


There is no such thing as a "secular CHRISTmas." You're worshipping Jesus, Mammon, or both.


//Christmas dinner is awesome

You need a religious excuse to have dinner with family & friends?


///Shopping for presents and getting presents is fun

What's it like being rich?


////Caroling is fun
//Christmas parties are fun
//Atheist

Some atheists go Christmas caroling? What do you sing that doesn't violate your non-beliefs? Or are you able to sing "God rest ye merry gentlemen" with an ironic smirk? Group singing is fun, but it doesn't have to be religious. Or don't you know that?

As for presents, dinners and parties, why do you need Xmas for that? Do you need advertisers' prompting to remember your family and friends? Everybody has a birthday, every married couple has an anniversary, and as far as I know everybody likes receiving presents "Just because!"

But don't let me stand in the way of your vapid weakness: if it weren't for silly people who could I feel superior to?

Hint: I'm an atheist communist. Or should I say communist atheist? People's private superstitions don't oppress me, and the hallowed tradition of Xmas shopping -- the time when retailers profit most -- is just another way to redistribute wealth to the 1%.
 
2012-12-23 08:16:05 PM  

ParaHandy: We just enjoy making fun of the afflicted. Welcome to Fark.


I think you should spread this uplifting message of hope that only those unencumbered with faith could deliver! Or, you know, at least admit that your whole pose is a smirkfest of self-congratulatory hipper than thou. If nothing else, it would prevent these threads. Otherwise, it seems like your whole staunch posture of enlightenment disappears up your own ass when you close your browser. : )
 
2012-12-23 08:19:09 PM  

letrole: letrole: why do you ask?

fusillade762: Your quoting just looks weird. Like you're copy/pasting instead.

Oh, I see now.

I'm doing this text based. I can't copy and paste. I have to manually retype anything that I want to quote.

I've been using a Commodore 64 with a telnet client called Archerman. It's pretty obscure. You've probably never heard of it.


Nice to see someone so dedicated to their craft.
 
2012-12-23 08:26:50 PM  
Pissing from a great height for science is a lot like shouting for Jesus. And makes about as many friends. Or has that escaped everybody on both sides of this ostensibly fraught with gravitas, non-issue du jour?
 
2012-12-23 08:30:13 PM  
The Hindu guy at the liquor store wished me a "Happy Christmas", so I wished him one back. When a Hindu and an Atheist are saying, "Happy Christmas" to each other, I think Santa and Fox won. I think Jesus is still losing his flock though.
 
2012-12-23 08:32:31 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Christmas is pretty much a secular holiday anyway.

It celebrates when Santa died on the cross to give you eternal low low doorbuster prices.


I love you in the Farkiest way.
 
2012-12-23 08:35:13 PM  

The One True TheDavid: That said, to return to "the reason for the season," where would Jesus shop?

If the Lord were alive today, what would you give him this Christmas?
What would you give someone who has everything and more?He can heal the sick, so don't give him an aspirinHe can walk on water, so don't give him support.If the lord were alive today, what would you give him this Christmas?You'd give him a $20 certificate at Pizza Joe's!joelamoroney.files.wordpress.com/Darkest TV show ever made.
 
2012-12-23 08:48:50 PM  
It's almost the end of another year.

I am still not small minded, nor mean spirited enough to be a Atheist.

To each their own, I like to say, unless your own is telling others what they can or cannot believe in.
 
2012-12-23 09:00:14 PM  

Slam1263: It's almost the end of another year.

I am still not small minded, nor mean spirited enough to be a Atheist.

To each their own, I like to say, unless your own is telling others what they can or cannot believe in.


And yet, you just dismissed those who don't see the universe in your terms as "small-minded", and "Mean-spirited".
You are a full-of-shiat hypocrite.
 
2012-12-23 09:01:44 PM  

BillDozer357: Bhruic: FTA: What's more, most American nonbelievers are not even atheists

Um, no. Most non-religious Americans might not be atheists, but if you are nonbeliever, you are, by definition, an atheist.

Or agnostic, or non-theist, or Laveyan Satanists even. There are many types of non-believers.


This!

People like to lump everyone into some type of philosophical container or group so they can break them down easier. Be definition I am Agnostic but I will never say I am with that group because I don't agree with that view entirely.
 
2012-12-23 09:05:16 PM  

squirrelflavoredyogurt: The Hindu guy at the liquor store wished me a "Happy Christmas", so I wished him one back. When a Hindu and an Atheist are saying, "Happy Christmas" to each other, I think Santa and Fox won. I think Jesus is still losing his flock though.


No, it just means you're being hollowly polite to each other.

The girl at my liquor store wished me a Merry Christmas too. I don't think she's Hindu though. Sort of cute. Wouldn't kick her out of bed. She'd probably kick me out though.
 
2012-12-23 09:05:31 PM  

The One True TheDavid: mbillips: The One True TheDavid:

[...]


SHOP LESS, PRAY MORE!

Your blog sucks.

/Secular Christmas is awesome

There is no such thing as a "secular CHRISTmas." You're worshipping Jesus, Mammon, or both.


//Christmas dinner is awesome

You need a religious excuse to have dinner with family & friends?


///Shopping for presents and getting presents is fun

What's it like being rich?


////Caroling is fun
//Christmas parties are fun
//Atheist

Some atheists go Christmas caroling? What do you sing that doesn't violate your non-beliefs? Or are you able to sing "God rest ye merry gentlemen" with an ironic smirk? Group singing is fun, but it doesn't have to be religious. Or don't you know that?

As for presents, dinners and parties, why do you need Xmas for that? Do you need advertisers' prompting to remember your family and friends? Everybody has a birthday, every married couple has an anniversary, and as far as I know everybody likes receiving presents "Just because!"

But don't let me stand in the way of your vapid weakness: if it weren't for silly people who could I feel superior to?

Hint: I'm an atheist communist. Or should I say communist atheist? People's private superstitions don't oppress me, and the hallowed tradition of Xmas shopping -- the time when retailers profit most -- is just another way to redistribute wealth to the 1%.


Jesus H. farking Christ. You, sir, are a moron.

(I get the trolling. People believe bullsh*t, want to address, etc.)
1) Secular Christmas is where we just enjoy the season as we always have. Don't give a sh*t what it's called.
2) Nope. But we're not pissed when we're handed one.
3) Don't know. In my family, we pretty much exchange envelopes with roughly the same amount of money in them, and there's our presents.
4) Sing whatever the f*ck you damned well please. Hell, I've been known to sing along with N.W.A. songs. I'm not really going to bust a cap in your ass, I just dig the song.
5) And back. No one really needs it. But it's a time when we're encouraged to do it. No, I don't need a prompt, any more than I need a Valentine's Day prompt to have dinner and a bottle of wine with my girlfriend before we have sex. (And we both find Valentine's Day disgusting, frankly...may have just killed my own point.) But do I get bent out of shape eight ways from Sunday over it? No. FFS, why would I?

Also...nah, I'll leave it. Have a nice day. Was going to bring it full circle, and tell you what I tell the "War on Christmas" nutballs who get pissed at anyone wishing them happy holidays: Fine, f*ck you, I hope your holidays suck. But it's just fark. Enjoy your day in your own way. And I didn't mean the moron thing, I just disagree. (Aaawww...)
 
2012-12-23 09:08:09 PM  
Why exactly is it wrong to want "Peace on earth, good will to men"?
 
2012-12-23 09:12:00 PM  

Happy Hours: squirrelflavoredyogurt: The Hindu guy at the liquor store wished me a "Happy Christmas", so I wished him one back. When a Hindu and an Atheist are saying, "Happy Christmas" to each other, I think Santa and Fox won. I think Jesus is still losing his flock though.

No, it just means you're being hollowly polite to each other.

The girl at my liquor store wished me a Merry Christmas too. I don't think she's Hindu though. Sort of cute. Wouldn't kick her out of bed. She'd probably kick me out though.


I say Merry Christmas to people to be polite, not a true fan of the holiday though due to the commercial exploitation (just a person belief). However, I happened to say Merry Christmas to a co-worker I didn't know and got an Atheist tirade in return about how organized religion is the downfall of society and how people who believe in holidays based on religion are Neanderthals. I could handle about 2-3 minutes (getting snacks out of the vending machine) and then turned around and left her while she was still spouting off. She didn't know my religious beliefs but proceeded to grill me on hers, cute.
 
2012-12-23 09:14:10 PM  
JESUS STILL LOVES YOU
 
2012-12-23 09:22:28 PM  

letrole: Darth_Lukecash: Religion is a belief system that contains a supernatural element.
letrole: Buddhism
ParaHandy: Oh yes it does ....

The Dalai Lama states:
"From one viewpoint, Buddhism is a religion, from another viewpoint Buddhism is a science of mind and not a religion. Buddhism can be a bridge between these two sides. Therefore, with this conviction I try to have closer ties with scientists, mainly in the fields of cosmology, psychology, neurobiology and physics. In these fields there are insights to share, and to a certain extent we can work together."


So you proved my point... Unless you believed devas exist. Or there haven't been stories about Buddha teaching gods.
 
2012-12-23 09:22:38 PM  

IF you do not want me pushing my belief system on you, do not push yours on me.


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2012-12-23 09:24:27 PM  
I am an atheist and personally I'd love to see any person who follows a "higher power" strung up by the neck until dead.

Religion has been the most destructive force since the beginning of mankind. F*ck the religious - I'd love to have a license to kill you all.

It's not genocide, it's godocide. So f*ck god, f*ck jesus, f*ck mary, f*ck allah and f*ck whatever other "gods" are out there.

You're all fools.
 
2012-12-23 09:28:13 PM  

RabidJade: Happy Hours: squirrelflavoredyogurt: The Hindu guy at the liquor store wished me a "Happy Christmas", so I wished him one back. When a Hindu and an Atheist are saying, "Happy Christmas" to each other, I think Santa and Fox won. I think Jesus is still losing his flock though.

No, it just means you're being hollowly polite to each other.

The girl at my liquor store wished me a Merry Christmas too. I don't think she's Hindu though. Sort of cute. Wouldn't kick her out of bed. She'd probably kick me out though.

I say Merry Christmas to people to be polite, not a true fan of the holiday though due to the commercial exploitation (just a person belief). However, I happened to say Merry Christmas to a co-worker I didn't know and got an Atheist tirade in return about how organized religion is the downfall of society and how people who believe in holidays based on religion are Neanderthals. I could handle about 2-3 minutes (getting snacks out of the vending machine) and then turned around and left her while she was still spouting off. She didn't know my religious beliefs but proceeded to grill me on hers, cute.


Wow - I hope you just looked at her like she had gone batshiat insane and then told her that you hoped she wouldn't be offended if you told her to have a nice day.

Merry Xmas everyone, and I mean that sincerely - even to you atheists and Jews and Muslims....and all you other pagans as well.
 
2012-12-23 09:29:03 PM  

DaCaptain19: Religion has been the most destructive force since the beginning of mankind.


That is probably incorrect. Humans must have gained some survival advantage through the development of religion, or those mental functions related to a propensity towards religious cultural development.
 
2012-12-23 09:35:49 PM  

bunner: So far, all I see is a lot of dismissive snorting, arrogant authority postures, some pretty nebulous science and straight off the ready to wear rack trolling. I do have the advantage of expecting nothing else, though. Nobody knows, folks. That's the adventure.


You're not very good at this. Quantity != quality.
 
2012-12-23 09:39:48 PM  

Harry_Seldon: DaCaptain19: Religion has been the most destructive force since the beginning of mankind.

That is probably incorrect. Humans must have gained some survival advantage through the development of religion, or those mental functions related to a propensity towards religious cultural development.


Well, we both have different opinions and I'll respect yours. My comment was directed at the genocide of societies decreed by "God" pre Jesus time. I actually spent decades as a "christian" and I know a LOT about the Bible.

So societies existing "B.C." slaughtered entire populations based on "Gods" command.

And of course we have - in relatively modern day - the Crusades, the Inquisition, etc. That was my only point.

I'm not sure what the evolutionary advantage of religion could be. The "constructive" aspects of religion are curiously discussed by Karl Marx, who most people believe said "Religion is the opiate of the masses" - a mis-quote which - in it's entirety, below. Note that Marx shows religion to be a false - but beneficial - system of belief:

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." - Karl Marx.

So you can see that Marx actually is advocating "religion" as an effective (but false) means for humans to have solace from the world (at his time)...people were seen to be economically depressed, etc. so in his mind, religion is the "opiate" that helps people find (illusory) happiness.

It would be GOOD, according to Marx, if happiness could be found in the absence of religion, but he recognizes that - for now - religion will be that false happiness.
 
2012-12-23 09:41:21 PM  

DaCaptain19: I am an atheist and personally I'd love to see any person who follows a "higher power" strung up by the neck until dead.

Religion has been the most destructive force since the beginning of mankind. F*ck the religious - I'd love to have a license to kill you all.

It's not genocide, it's godocide. So f*ck god, f*ck jesus, f*ck mary, f*ck allah and f*ck whatever other "gods" are out there.

You're all fools.


How very atheist of yoU? Just because you don't believe in god it doesn't mean you're smart. You seem to have some anger issues.
 
2012-12-23 09:49:03 PM  
This is going a ways back in the thread, but the physicist who made the "stop telling god what to do" quip to Einstein was Niels Bohr. And I never dumped the dodos over the cliff. So The Honourable Prophet Bobby Henderson's theory holds, to the best of my knowledge. Dodos can indeed fly, they are just not sufficiently motivated to.

I bid you adieu, and hope you enjoy the remainder of the thread.
 
2012-12-23 09:53:15 PM  

Harry_Seldon: DaCaptain19: Religion has been the most destructive force since the beginning of mankind.

That is probably incorrect. Humans must have gained some survival advantage through the development of religion, or those mental functions related to a propensity towards religious cultural development.


Probably because first of all, it appeals to our need for causation and our need for control over causation. I.e. why didn't the river rise this year? It must be because the river spirit is angry. Why is the spirit angry? It must be because we've done something wrong. Therefore, if we do something to placate the river spirit, the river will rise, and all will be well. When the river rose again the following year--proof! We did X, the river rose, ergo, doing X makes the god happy. The need for control over our environment has always been important to humans.

Also--this idea isn't original with me, btw, but I forget where I saw it--back in prehistory, curing diseases was the role of the shaman or witch doctor, who could reliably placate those spirits and was mostly placebo effect. The better you believed in the spirits and the shaman's ability to intercede with them, the more likely you were to survive. Those people who were skeptical and doubted in the "cure" didn't get to pass on their skeptical traits to their offspring quite as often.

Combine the two over the millennia, and a strong tendency to believe in gods and those who speak to the gods is going to be hard-wired into the human brain. Add in all the things that are difficult to explain and seem only to make sense if there is some kind of supernatural being out there--and you have the roots of religion.
 
2012-12-23 10:00:44 PM  

ParaHandy: I have a serious question for the Christians: does Allah exist? Please explain your answer.


They are the same god. NEXT!
 
2012-12-23 10:05:38 PM  

LisaNeedsBraces: ParaHandy: I have a serious question for the Christians: does Allah exist? Please explain your answer.

They are the same god. NEXT!


^ OK, so I answered for the Christians while being an atheist. Is the world going to implode...?
 
2012-12-23 10:06:28 PM  

DaCaptain19: I am an atheist and personally I'd love to see any person who follows a "higher power" strung up by the neck until dead.

Religion has been the most destructive force since the beginning of mankind. F*ck the religious - I'd love to have a license to kill you all.

It's not genocide, it's godocide. So f*ck god, f*ck jesus, f*ck mary, f*ck allah and f*ck whatever other "gods" are out there.

You're all fools.


0/10
 
2012-12-23 10:10:13 PM  
Can we all just try to get along? I know this is dark and I have been a part of it for a long time, so I don't need a welcome to fark post.

So, here is what I have, when my brother and I didn't get along we would sit in a corner of the same room and were forced by our parents to not fight for one hour. We didn't have to get along, we didn't have to agree and we didn't even have to talk. However, we could not fight.

I guess I am asking, everyone, if I have a belief that is different than yours can we sit in separate corners of the same room? We don't have to get along, we don't have to agree and we don't have to even talk to each other. However, I think that after an hour we would both be able to find something good in one another and realize that we all are not too different.

I hope you all have a great time suspending with the ones you love.
 
2012-12-23 10:10:28 PM  

DaCaptain19: Well, we both have different opinions and I'll respect yours. My comment was directed at the genocide of societies decreed by "God" pre Jesus time. I actually spent decades as a "christian" and I know a LOT about the Bible.


When I say evolutionary advantage, I am talking about ~150,000 years ago. There was likely some survival benefit. Note that humans a not only survived, but dominated the planet. So it is possible, maybe likely, that the propensity to develop religion has been an integral factor in species success. That says absolutely nothing about the killings and persecutions done in the name of religion. Certainly not excusing it. I
 
2012-12-23 10:10:59 PM  

The One True TheDavid: mbillips: The One True TheDavid:

[...]


SHOP LESS, PRAY MORE!

Your blog sucks.

/Secular Christmas is awesome

There is no such thing as a "secular CHRISTmas." You're worshipping Jesus, Mammon, or both.


//Christmas dinner is awesome

You need a religious excuse to have dinner with family & friends?


///Shopping for presents and getting presents is fun

What's it like being rich?


////Caroling is fun
//Christmas parties are fun
//Atheist

Some atheists go Christmas caroling? What do you sing that doesn't violate your non-beliefs? Or are you able to sing "God rest ye merry gentlemen" with an ironic smirk? Group singing is fun, but it doesn't have to be religious. Or don't you know that?

As for presents, dinners and parties, why do you need Xmas for that? Do you need advertisers' prompting to remember your family and friends? Everybody has a birthday, every married couple has an anniversary, and as far as I know everybody likes receiving presents "Just because!"

But don't let me stand in the way of your vapid weakness: if it weren't for silly people who could I feel superior to?

Hint: I'm an atheist communist. Or should I say communist atheist? People's private superstitions don't oppress me, and the hallowed tradition of Xmas shopping -- the time when retailers profit most -- is just another way to redistribute wealth to the 1%.


I see what you're doing here, but we've already got one. We're full up. Sorry.
 
2012-12-23 10:13:26 PM  

great_tigers: Can we all just try to get along? I know this is dark and I have been a part of it for a long time, so I don't need a welcome to fark post.

So, here is what I have, when my brother and I didn't get along we would sit in a corner of the same room and were forced by our parents to not fight for one hour. We didn't have to get along, we didn't have to agree and we didn't even have to talk. However, we could not fight.

I guess I am asking, everyone, if I have a belief that is different than yours can we sit in separate corners of the same room? We don't have to get along, we don't have to agree and we don't have to even talk to each other. However, I think that after an hour we would both be able to find something good in one another and realize that we all are not too different.

I hope you all have a great time suspendingspending with the ones you love.

 
2012-12-23 10:17:10 PM  

DaCaptain19: I am an atheist and personally I'd love to see any person who follows a "higher power" strung up by the neck until dead.

Religion has been the most destructive force since the beginning of mankind. F*ck the religious - I'd love to have a license to kill you all.

It's not genocide, it's godocide. So f*ck god, f*ck jesus, f*ck mary, f*ck allah and f*ck whatever other "gods" are out there.

You're all fools.


Brilliant. Will you call this maneuver the Yeehaw then? There's a Jihad on the religious side. So at least make a name for it.

Also I hope all the political farkers of all party affiliation who are Christian, Buddhist, etc make note of your name in order to see if you'll be at a fark party. The last place they want to drink and be merry with Drew is one containing a farker that's only restraining himself/herself from killing them by waiting for a license.
 
2012-12-23 10:18:42 PM  

LargeCanine: farked3ways2sunday: LargeCanine: Brave? When these Atheists go to Egypt to oppose Sharia, then they can claim courage.

Then they would most certainly die by the hands of those medieval savages. Not saying we're better, not by any means. Just that they are THAT much more screwed up than we are. People there think religious education will feed them and remain willfully uneducated and marred by false ideas. The ones that do get smart, convince others to strap on bomb-vest to blow up innocents. And as the wheels roll on.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect them to go there. I would say they were idiots if they did. I just don't think its in any way "brave" to advocate an opinion in the USA. There is nothing to fear, therefore controlling fear - a fair definition of courage - is not an issue. They are in greater danger of Smug.


By means of direct bodily harm, not much to fear. Though there have been abortion clinic bombings..

But there is plenty to be wary of. Dominionism as well as mis-education.
 
2012-12-23 10:27:46 PM  
People just need to remember the reason for the season, plain and simple.

From the book of Irving: "...and on the third day zombie Santa Claus rose from the dead to walk the Earth unseen. All seeing, all knowing, he watches you while you sleep, ..., dines on human tears, ..., knows the innermost secrets of your heart."
 
2012-12-23 10:32:40 PM  

kingoomieiii: [thoughtcatalogcom.files.wordpress.com image 584x813]

See the 2nd point


I'm not really sure what you hope to accomplish with that chart.
I went through it, arrived at the point where it said "Congratulations, this is how rational human beings exchange ideas", and I'd like to offer you a flow chart of my own:

When pretending to want to engage in conversation with people, can you NOT be a patronizing douche?

(1) Yes ======> Great. This is how mature people talk to one another. Let's chat.
(2) No ======> k, well then what makes you think I'm interested in talking to you?

[psst... you went with Door #2]

If you want to insult people who exit the flow up until then, go for it, but if I'm not one of those people, So if you want to be a dick to all of the ideological demagogues, I get that, but why are you being a dick to me?
 
2012-12-23 10:40:15 PM  
The Lord God created cancer. Please remember the reason for the season and pray for cancer. There are so many false Christians trying to destroy Gods creation. Why do you hate God, cancer, and baby Jesus?
"like" if you want cancer and Jesus in your life
 
2012-12-23 10:41:23 PM  
Christmas has nothing to do with Christ anyways, as anyone who has paid attention ever knows.
 
2012-12-23 11:06:12 PM  

Huggermugger: You're not very good at this. Quantity != quality.


Piss off dickweed. How's that? Troll. : )
 
2012-12-23 11:13:55 PM  
So changing the name of Christmas or whatever days you want to call the 24th/25th, which has been going on for thousands of years, is now caused by athiests?
 
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