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2012-12-23 06:36:13 PM  
Keizer_Ghidorah: You're the one saying it's scare-quoted after putting them in scare-quotes yourself.

But you're the one who thinks they mean "scary". The casual reader can go through the thread and see the exchange.

FO DIAF
 
2012-12-23 06:40:37 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Yeah, it makes it hard to discuss anything with someone who petulantly dismisses everything shown to him and insists on acting like a child when discussing things.


Can't be more difficult than trying to discuss things with dime store pedagogues with blanket authority postures and "dear me, I just SAID everything works like THIS" as a scientific absolute. And that's fine, but pull my ear and you lose a hand. : )
 
2012-12-23 06:42:34 PM  

ParaHandy: Valiente: Vodka Zombie: St_Francis_P: And they must be stopped

Uhm...why?

Because JESUS!!!

Yeah, usually.

/BTW, don't mention he's Jewish and was probably pretty Arab-looking and possibly gay. Heads exploding isn't very festive. For most, anyway.

Nah, he dated Mary Magdalene.

Paul was gay though, and ironically so was the commissioner of the Christian bible, James VI. He ordered it to stop two local religious factions (Catholic / CoE and Protestant) from starting a civil war, and the "Word of God(tm)" oft quoted verbatim is actually a very loose translation into 16th century English of various carefully picked ancient texts, manipulated to suit the politics of the day.


There's a belief, that Mary Magdalen was Jesus wife. He appeared to her first after the ressurection. It was also noted that her being named implies a much higher role in Jewish society.

She was never a hooker, as even the Vadican had to admit. ( there was confusion of many Marys in the bible.) some scholars believed that Paul was a huge mysogimist and diminished women's role in the church.
 
2012-12-23 06:42:52 PM  
I thought everyone knew better than to reply to letrole, as he's a very well known contrarian troll, his username even apes the activity.
 
2012-12-23 06:44:17 PM  
letrole:

Just out of curiosity: when did you lose your html privileges, exactly?
 
2012-12-23 06:44:40 PM  
I believe the Atheists of the middle America have the most against the Theists because they push their agenda where it should not be. If it was only in Churches or other known religious buildings and institutions they would not care but it

is in schools, at camps, at concerts for the public i.e not in Church.

Keep your Theism in buildings and organizations solely designed for it and the Atheists will not need to counteract the bullshiat your selling their children because they happen to be..

In public
At school etc.

If you tell the story of god in a church then it is my fault if I bring my child in.
But if your telling the story of God in a public school and having children who do not join the class sit outside and do nothing so they feel ostracized, then yes I will have something to say. And I will not be bloody nice about it.
 
2012-12-23 06:46:06 PM  
omeganuepsilon: I thought everyone knew better than to reply to letrole, as he's a very well known contrarian troll, his username even apes the activity.

My surname is Le Trôle
 
2012-12-23 06:46:08 PM  

ten foiled hats: I think it just scares the sh*t out of some people. For others, eh, good riddance to bad rubbish.


I think false dichotomies are the impetus of flags and flags are a bad idea, so far.
 
2012-12-23 06:49:33 PM  
fusillade762: Just out of curiosity: when did you lose your html privileges, exactly?


Test Link
 
2012-12-23 06:49:43 PM  

BillDozer357: Or agnostic, or non-theist, or Laveyan Satanists even. There are many types of non-believers.


Agnostics and non-theists are just atheists without the balls to admit it.
 
2012-12-23 06:50:40 PM  
fusillade762: Just out of curiosity: when did you lose your html privileges, exactly?


seems to allow links


why do you ask?
 
2012-12-23 06:50:44 PM  
"Do you believe in god?"

"No."

*BANG!*

"Do you believe in god?"

"Yes."

"My god?

"No."

*BANG!*

"Do you believe in god?"

"Yes."

*BANG!*

"Do you believe in a completely secular view?"

"Yes."

"My completely secular view?"

"No."

*BANG!*


Next reel, please.
 
2012-12-23 06:51:37 PM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion. A piss-poor Religion, but a Religion regardless.

The amusing part is where an almost endless supply of Schoolboy Atheists will launch into ever-decreasing circles of denial, and exercises of semantics worthy of any medieval theologian.


I think people who beleive atheism is a religion is worthy to be called a religion based on a leap of faith and lack of logical thinking.

Religion is a belief system that contains a supernatural element.
Atheism contains no such dogma.
 
2012-12-23 06:52:24 PM  

letrole: Keizer_Ghidorah: Humans are a very self-centered and arrogant species.letrole: Keizer_Ghidorah: You're the one saying it's scare-quoted after putting them in scare-quotes yourself.

But you're the one who thinks they mean "scary". The casual reader can go through the thread and see the exchange.

FO DIAF

letrole: So as a matter of faith, two cheats are used: the idea that space itself expands, and that the majority of the universe is missing in the form of purposely scare-quoted "dark matter".

Mmm-hm, that's me saying it. Yes, sir. Twit.

Your tired, repetitive trolling is no longer amusing.

Well other species would be very self-centred and arrogant if they weren't dumb beasts incapable of higher intellect and emotions.


Now we're using the "Everything would be just like humans if they were as smart as humans" thing? I refer back to the arrogance of humans for this.
 
2012-12-23 06:54:13 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: letrole: Keizer_Ghidorah: Humans are a very self-centered and arrogant species.letrole: Keizer_Ghidorah: You're the one saying it's scare-quoted after putting them in scare-quotes yourself.

But you're the one who thinks they mean "scary". The casual reader can go through the thread and see the exchange.

FO DIAF


letrole: So as a matter of faith, two cheats are used: the idea that space itself expands, and that the majority of the universe is missing in the form of purposely scare-quoted "dark matter".


Yep, that's me saying it, right there. /sarcasm

Your tired, repetitive trolling is no longer amusing.
 
2012-12-23 06:54:46 PM  

bunner: ten foiled hats: I think it just scares the sh*t out of some people. For others, eh, good riddance to bad rubbish.

I think false dichotomies are the impetus of flags and flags are a bad idea, so far.


Alright. I drink beer to keep the scary jewish zombie from returning and casting me into the eternal hellfire.

Working so far.
 
2012-12-23 06:54:54 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: bunner: We're all twitchy about all of this because all of the things we built upon, belief or non belief, are losing their meaning. What we're not bright enough to do, it seems, is take a hard, long view look at what were all replacing it with, without question.

When humans were more primitive and stupid, they created gods for everything. Lightning and thunder were two divine brothers fighting over a woman, Zeus tossing thunderbolts at things that annoyed him, or a gigantic bird who fired lightning with each flap of its wings. The turning of the seasons was the deity of the climate being sad when her daughter was in the underworld and happy when she was with her. Every tree, every rock, every animal was the home of some manner of god, demigod, or other divine being. People once believed that sneezing causes your soul to fly out of your body, and saying "Bless you" prevented the Devil from taking its place. As we became smarter, as we began to explore and test and observe, we no longer needed gods to explain how things work. Like a child growing up and learning that Santa Claus is really his parents buying the presents from the store, humanity is growing up and leaving behind the need for fairy tales.

And ever notice how many gods and goddesses are created in the image of man? Even the more non-human, like the Egyptian gods, were humans with animal heads. Humans are a very self-centered and arrogant species.


When I was a child, I thought, and spoke as a child. When I became a man, I put away childish things. Including religion.
 
2012-12-23 06:55:07 PM  
If I were in the only species on a planet capable of critical thought, objective awareness of my own mortality, structured spoken and written languages, space travel, large scale agriculture and industry, I'd be a little arrogant, too. Oh, wait..
 
2012-12-23 06:56:22 PM  

ten foiled hats: Alright. I drink beer to keep the scary jewish zombie from returning and casting me into the eternal hellfire.

Working so far.



While that has absolutely no bearing on anything I said, I am glad to know you're drinking very GOOD beer. : )
 
2012-12-23 06:57:15 PM  

ten foiled hats: bunner: ten foiled hats: I think it just scares the sh*t out of some people. For others, eh, good riddance to bad rubbish.

I think false dichotomies are the impetus of flags and flags are a bad idea, so far.

Alright. I drink beer to keep the scary jewish zombie from returning and casting me into the eternal hellfire.

Working so far.


So is my elephant talisman. I had an old British sixpence blessed by a Ghanain juju master and i have yet to be trampled by an elephant, or for that matter attacked by any large African animals of any species.
 
2012-12-23 06:58:00 PM  

bunner: Keizer_Ghidorah: Yeah, it makes it hard to discuss anything with someone who petulantly dismisses everything shown to him and insists on acting like a child when discussing things.

Can't be more difficult than trying to discuss things with dime store pedagogues with blanket authority postures and "dear me, I just SAID everything works like THIS" as a scientific absolute. And that's fine, but pull my ear and you lose a hand. : )


People have given you the actual scientific statements, formulas, and workings of why and how, and you dismiss them with the same petulant attitude as you dismiss what Farkers say, with the "We just don't know, therefore both sides are equal" fallacy as your justification, and then you project your attitude onto others so you can continue to be a child.
 
2012-12-23 06:58:36 PM  

bunner: If I were in the only species on a planet capable of critical thought, objective awareness of my own mortality, structured spoken and written languages, space travel, large scale agriculture and industry, I'd be a little arrogant, too. Oh, wait..


Well, mankind did create its gods in its own image.
 
2012-12-23 06:59:06 PM  

ParaHandy: When I was a child, I thought, and spoke as a child. When I became a man, I put away childish things. Including religion.


Is that going to be the atheist equivalent of a Bar Mitzvah rite of passage when the atheist overlords crush the neanderthal believers? And is it catered? : )
 
2012-12-23 06:59:21 PM  
I have a serious question for the Christians: does Allah exist? Please explain your answer.
 
2012-12-23 07:01:10 PM  

bunner: ParaHandy: When I was a child, I thought, and spoke as a child. When I became a man, I put away childish things. Including religion.

Is that going to be the atheist equivalent of a Bar Mitzvah rite of passage when the atheist overlords crush the neanderthal believers? And is it catered? : )


When I came into the light, I was lounging on a bunk bed with faded Disney sheets and flicking through a copy of the KJV. I had a couple of Granny Smiths but I wouldn't consider it catering.
 
2012-12-23 07:03:06 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: People have given you the actual scientific statements, formulas, and workings of why and how


Yeah" Where's that? When did that happen? More to the point, when did we arrive at a formula for "everything ever", cause I missed that, too. Your bullsh*t is showing and I have stuff to do, sunshine, so get to the big troll or just get some dignity.
 
2012-12-23 07:04:27 PM  
Darth_Lukecash: Religion is a belief system that contains a supernatural element.

Buddhism
 
2012-12-23 07:05:27 PM  

letrole: Darth_Lukecash: Religion is a belief system that contains a supernatural element.

Buddhism


It's just his surname, people.
 
2012-12-23 07:06:00 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Why would you NEED to be arrogant about it? Are you incapable of enjoying those things and abilities without being an asshole?


Wow, good thing you have a keyboard to hide behind, ain't it?
 
2012-12-23 07:07:01 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Why would you NEED to be arrogant about it? Are you incapable of enjoying those things and abilities without being an asshole?


You're also irony proof, apparently.
 
2012-12-23 07:08:54 PM  

Quaker: Fark Dupp: [guitarsandaudio.com image 500x375]

I disagree. No one can really know whether or not there's a god, so acting like you're absolutely sure about it one way or the other is a belief. To use your analogy, having the TV off would be someone who doesn't think about and/or care whether or not there's a god.



There is a Unicorn in your kitchen.
 
2012-12-23 07:09:09 PM  

bunner: Keizer_Ghidorah: People have given you the actual scientific statements, formulas, and workings of why and how

Yeah" Where's that? When did that happen? More to the point, when did we arrive at a formula for "everything ever", cause I missed that, too. Your bullsh*t is showing and I have stuff to do, sunshine, so get to the big troll or just get some dignity.


bunner: Keizer_Ghidorah: Why would you NEED to be arrogant about it? Are you incapable of enjoying those things and abilities without being an asshole?

Wow, good thing you have a keyboard to hide behind, ain't it?


Nice, the "I've got to be at the gym in 26 minutes" AND the "Say it to my face and not over the internet and see what happens" memes, in two consecutive posts no less. I've wasted enough time with your idiocy.
 
2012-12-23 07:10:52 PM  
Subby has a point. The majority of Christ followers will continue to celebrate this cursed pagan grabfest of a celebration as long as they perceive it to be part of an attack. Just to spite those they perceive to be attackers. If any headway is to be made a way of educating them on the many different sun worship and ferility/goddess worship traditions that got shrinkwrapped in scripture, it can't put them on the defensive.

Otherwise Christmas is here to stay.
 
2012-12-23 07:12:17 PM  

bunner: ten foiled hats: Alright. I drink beer to keep the scary jewish zombie from returning and casting me into the eternal hellfire.

Working so far.


While that has absolutely no bearing on anything I said, I am glad to know you're drinking very GOOD beer. : )


Missed the false dichotomies being the impetus of flags thing. You'd mentioned belief or non, and I didn't see where you were going with your response. Still don't, but it's all good.

Alas, except for the beer. Icehouse. Holidays put a crimp in spending. Appropriate for this thread?

It is my sincere hope that YOU, however, are enjoying some of the finest of the lord's brew.

ParaHandy: ten foiled hats: bunner: ten foiled hats: I think it just scares the sh*t out of some people. For others, eh, good riddance to bad rubbish.

I think false dichotomies are the impetus of flags and flags are a bad idea, so far.

Alright. I drink beer to keep the scary jewish zombie from returning and casting me into the eternal hellfire.

Working so far.

So is my elephant talisman. I had an old British sixpence blessed by a Ghanain juju master and i have yet to be trampled by an elephant, or for that matter attacked by any large African animals of any species.


A British sixpence? Beware the Indian elephants. (Though I'm told they're a bit more docile.)
 
2012-12-23 07:12:39 PM  
Keizer_Ghidorah
Yep, that's me saying it, right there. /sarcasm
Your tired, repetitive trolling is no longer amusing.


The amusing part is where you're so un-amused that you keep coming back up like bowl of bad clams.

Just don't reply.
 
2012-12-23 07:13:57 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: I've wasted enough time with your idiocy.


Well, you could just kiss my pink ass rosy so it wouldn't be a total loss, you mouthy, cowering, posturing jerkoff. : ) Not everybody lives in memeworld, or needs to subscribe to some sense of intellectual superiority by spouting horsesh*t on a message board from behind their mother's skirt. Look into it. And yeah, I would disabuse you of your teeth if you started calling me sh*tty names to my face. Please use science to disprove this. Bye, sh* for brains. Smile for the people you are certain are hanging on every word of your pissant diatribe. : )
 
2012-12-23 07:16:11 PM  
All I know is, I have seen very little in way of happy people in these past few weeks. Christmas is a commercialized sham.
 
2012-12-23 07:16:32 PM  

letrole: why do you ask?


Your quoting just looks weird. Like you're copy/pasting instead. Whenever someone else quotes the names come up in blue as links. When you do it they're black non-links. The last person I saw doing something like that said that they'd had their html revoked for some reason so they couldn't use the quote button (among others).
 
2012-12-23 07:16:34 PM  

letrole: Darth_Lukecash: Religion is a belief system that contains a supernatural element.

Buddhism


Buddhism can work two ways: as a philosophy or a religion with supernatural element.
 
2012-12-23 07:18:07 PM  
letrole: Well other species would be very self-centred and arrogant if they weren't dumb beasts incapable of higher intellect and emotions.

Keizer_Ghidorah: Now we're using the "Everything would be just like humans if they were as smart as humans" thing? I refer back to the arrogance of humans for this.


Well, one thing is for sure. You're not likely to get all arrogant about your intellect and lord it over the farm animals.
 
2012-12-23 07:18:14 PM  
I can see how middle america atheist might get a bit feistier, they've got to deal with more crap than on the left and right coasts. Case in point:


www.atheistmemebase.com
 
2012-12-23 07:20:08 PM  

LargeCanine: Brave? When these Atheists go to Egypt to oppose Sharia, then they can claim courage.


Then they would most certainly die by the hands of those medieval savages. Not saying we're better, not by any means. Just that they are THAT much more screwed up than we are. People there think religious education will feed them and remain willfully uneducated and marred by false ideas. The ones that do get smart, convince others to strap on bomb-vest to blow up innocents. And as the wheels roll on.
 
2012-12-23 07:20:17 PM  

itsfullofstars: I can see how middle america atheist might get a bit feistier, they've got to deal with more crap than on the left and right coasts. Case in point:


Wish you'd used a better example. That letter is a fake.
 
2012-12-23 07:21:55 PM  

farked3ways2sunday: All I know is, I have seen very little in way of happy people in these past few weeks. Christmas is a commercialized sham.


The ghetto is how you live, not where live. Things respond to how they're used. If you wipe your ass with something, it's toilet paper. Happiness is infectious. To be honest, I don't see a lot of happy people much anymore, either. Not even on TeeVee. Everybody is selling the metrics of the big bug up their rear ends. Even with staged dramas that are entirely made up, the characters are all suffering from terminal minor annoyance. I wonder who they think wins.
 
2012-12-23 07:24:14 PM  
letrole: why do you ask?

fusillade762: Your quoting just looks weird. Like you're copy/pasting instead.

Oh, I see now.

I'm doing this text based. I can't copy and paste. I have to manually retype anything that I want to quote.

I've been using a Commodore 64 with a telnet client called Archerman. It's pretty obscure. You've probably never heard of it.
 
2012-12-23 07:26:19 PM  
Maximum le trolling.

/It's a surname.
 
2012-12-23 07:30:44 PM  
I don't get "angry atheists". If I had time for horseshiat like religion, I'd join one of the more profitable ones and get paid for it. I don't. And I don't have time, energy, or inclination to go around deliberately riling up the stupidest, most ignorant, and most violent people in our culture.
F**k you, angry atheists - when you deliberately provoke killer apes, you deserve to get your face bitten off.
But I would like to thank you for making life more difficult and unpleasant for normal non-believers like me - in fact, I'd like to thank your face with an aluminum softball bat.
 
2012-12-23 07:32:43 PM  

jso2897: I don't get "angry atheists". If I had time for horseshiat like religion, I'd join one of the more profitable ones and get paid for it. I don't. And I don't have time, energy, or inclination to go around deliberately riling up the stupidest, most ignorant, and most violent people in our culture.
F**k you, angry atheists - when you deliberately provoke killer apes, you deserve to get your face bitten off.
But I would like to thank you for making life more difficult and unpleasant for normal non-believers like me - in fact, I'd like to thank your face with an aluminum softball bat.


images.retecool.com
 
2012-12-23 07:34:16 PM  
For what it's worth, the true essence of Christianity is "Slaves, obey your masters!" (Ephesians 6:5 and Colossians 3:22) In return, after a life of being bossed around, beaten, robbed, raped and maimed while forgiven those who sin against you and turning the other cheek, you'll get to feel special because you think you'll go to Heaven. This is why the Roman Empire turned it into the official religion. And while on the one hand the Church taught the rulers a little bit about treating their underlings as if they might be worth a penny or two, they also encouraged Christian rulers to send their underlings to become sick, maimed or dead fighting against pagans, heretics, eventually allowing the rulers to conquer and enslave the peasants of the Christian land next door in exchange for money, power and influence. It's hard to imagine worshippers of Isis doing likewise. "Old Testament" Judaism was right out because reading was widespread among the Jews of the Empire and their community had some money from long-distance trade and medicine: before the days of th Internet it was far safer to build a state religion on the faith of illiterate and superstitious slaves. (Islam, the "Conquer the world for Allah!" religion, would have done as well or better, for slightly different reasons, but it hadn't been invented yet.)

That said, to return to "the reason for the season," where would Jesus shop?
 
2012-12-23 07:34:46 PM  

letrole: letrole: Well other species would be very self-centred and arrogant if they weren't dumb beasts incapable of higher intellect and emotions.

Keizer_Ghidorah: Now we're using the "Everything would be just like humans if they were as smart as humans" thing? I refer back to the arrogance of humans for this.


Well, one thing is for sure. You're not likely to get all arrogant about your intellect and lord it over the farm animals.

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Oh, the animals, oh, the animals!
Let's talk dirty to the animals.
F**k you, Mrs. Bunny!
Eat shiat, Mr. Bear!
If they don't love it, they can shove it - we don't really care!
 
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