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2012-12-23 05:39:21 PM

Tyranicle: I'm a WASP athiest, so therefore I have no problem with religion, Christmas, Santa Clause, etc. As a madder of fact, I love Christmas. These 'athiest' who have a problem with traditional wester culture, I.e 'white' culture are mainly jews.


Oh, also, most countries in Asia do christmas even harder than we do. It's easily celebrated by more people in China than all of the white people on earth who celebrate it.
 
2012-12-23 05:40:12 PM

kingoomieiii: A little self-awareness from you?


I was 19 once. This, too shall pass. Bye, kid. : )
 
2012-12-23 05:40:21 PM

bunner: gad: Atheists are doing what they need to do to be heard and to gain some position in the society.

Why? what has "society" fixed lately? What has it enforced that it should? Where has evolved positively? What has it sone well or improved upon? I think that everybody who has picked up their chosen Certificate of Disenfranchisement™ actually thinks that there's some dandy, Über normal cocktail party going on somewhere and that as soon as they have successfully pissed and moaned and marched for "ABSOLUTE, UNQUESTIONING, UNCONDITIONAL ACCEPTANCE", that they'll be patted on the back and given a comfy chair and a martini. I hate to piss in your petunias, but the nebulous construct of "the people who run things" is astoundingly inaccurate, has nothing to do with religion, sexuality or color and they still ain't going to like you and most of them don't like each other. So stop trying to get a gold star from the people you insist oppress and loathe you. It makes you look silly.


Actually, there is such a cocktail party. I attended it once, due to the fact that I have a close relative who's worth over $20 million dollars. Those people really do own the world, and they can get, or do, anything they want. They also have loathing and contempt for poor people, and enjoy the idea that their share of the pie is becoming huger and huger.
 
2012-12-23 05:40:57 PM
Um, thank you, Warchild!
 
2012-12-23 05:41:21 PM

bunner: They are. Nothing turning into everything is just as ludicrous as some big guy with a beard knocking together a petri dish with us in it. It really, really is. The fact that you need to rabidly attack me with false assertions, strawmen ("Oh so you're saying that...") IS a strawman, kid) and to equate being annoying and insulting with some sort of intellectual acuity got boring about 20 posts ago. Kid. And frankly, nothing says "Um, this guy is a little too worked up about this" like being a rabid, pushy dolt. It's an absolute plastic bag over the head of anything like a self evidently valid argument, Ask anybody who has chased Mormons away from his door. So... here is where I shut your silly ass off and the universe continues to do whatever it's doing and you say "z0mG!11 I am s0 teh W1N cause he had to like IGNOR3 ME!" You get the feeling I've sat through this movie before? : )


It's so much goddamned fun playing chess with someone who only knows the rules for checkers.
 
2012-12-23 05:41:26 PM

bunner: Keizer_Ghidorah: What does being there have to do with it? Science and logic, along with the history of Earth, shows that there's no evidence of super-duper beings. Earth is 4.5 billion years old, not 6,000 years. That alone throws the Christian side out the window.

But.. teh AL1ENS! See, the thing is, the only one provable thing in this whole maelstrom of "huh UH!" is we don't really know. We do, it seems NEED to know, though. I think we should focus on that.


What we do know is already enough to reduce the scope of possibility of deities to the minimum possible: ones that exist outside our universe (or multiverse) and basically pressed the PLAY button and set it going like a little clockwork. Whether such a deity exists or not is a completely moot question of metaphysics, since they have no impact on what goes on in our world.

What religions do to try to maintain their credibility and reconcile their myths with reality is to back pedal .... "the writer of Genesis didn't really mean the earth is only 6,000 years old, it's an allegory" or "it's ok to wear polyester now, and you can no longer keep slaves, but gays are still bad" and "we changed our minds, yes the bible says the earth is round" once they could no longer contain the truth.

There is nothing super special about earth, and so it seems likely that life exists on other planets given their vast numbers (astronomers estimates just went up another order of magnitude or so recently). However, until I see evidence of it, I remain skeptical.

Similarly, any true scientist like me is definitionally agnostic (if evidence is found, then we'll believe) and an atheist based on current evidence (people have been trying to prove the existence of tens of thousands of deities for thousands of years, and not a single shred of evidence for any of them has turned up). The odds are not looking good for the sky fairies.

The value of hypothesis about how the universe works is in its ability to enable us to predict and control it. For example, Christian prayer has been scientifically tested hundreds of times in the last few decades and has never beaten the null hypothesis in outcomes. Thus, the hypothesis that there is a Christian god who can be coerced or persuaded by prayer can be roundly rejected.

Quantum mechanics sounds just as fanciful as religion - even Einstein famously said "God does not play dice". However, it became established science, and so he changed his position. In later life, he also became an atheist.
 
2012-12-23 05:43:08 PM

Huggermugger: Actually, there is such a cocktail party. I attended it once, due to the fact that I have a close relative who's worth over $20 million dollars. Those people really do own the world, and they can get, or do, anything they want. They also have loathing and contempt for poor people, and enjoy the idea that their share of the pie is becoming huger and huger.


Yes, but that religion is money and if anybody wants to wage war on greedy, self important c*nts, I'll pop for gas money and printing ink.
 
2012-12-23 05:44:43 PM
Atheism is a Religion. A piss-poor Religion, but a Religion regardless.

The amusing part is where an almost endless supply of Schoolboy Atheists will launch into ever-decreasing circles of denial, and exercises of semantics worthy of any medieval theologian.
 
2012-12-23 05:46:12 PM

verbaltoxin: [www.venganza.org image 600x828]


Ok, that one is farking funny, I hadn't seen it before.

Huggermugger: bunner: gad: Atheists are doing what they need to do to be heard and to gain some position in the society.

Why? what has "society" fixed lately? What has it enforced that it should? Where has evolved positively? What has it sone well or improved upon? I think that everybody who has picked up their chosen Certificate of Disenfranchisement™ actually thinks that there's some dandy, Über normal cocktail party going on somewhere and that as soon as they have successfully pissed and moaned and marched for "ABSOLUTE, UNQUESTIONING, UNCONDITIONAL ACCEPTANCE", that they'll be patted on the back and given a comfy chair and a martini. I hate to piss in your petunias, but the nebulous construct of "the people who run things" is astoundingly inaccurate, has nothing to do with religion, sexuality or color and they still ain't going to like you and most of them don't like each other. So stop trying to get a gold star from the people you insist oppress and loathe you. It makes you look silly.

Actually, there is such a cocktail party. I attended it once, due to the fact that I have a close relative who's worth over $20 million dollars. Those people really do own the world, and they can get, or do, anything they want. They also have loathing and contempt for poor people, and enjoy the idea that their share of the pie is becoming huger and huger.


Not all of them ....

www.biography.com   www.buzzreactor.com
 
2012-12-23 05:46:14 PM

ParaHandy: There is nothing super special about earth,


Huh. From what I've been informed of by every single science organization you can name, Earth, at least from our limited perspective, since we live here, is ASTOUNDINGLY special.
 
2012-12-23 05:48:23 PM

letrole: Atheism is a Religion. A piss-poor Religion, but a Religion regardless.

The amusing part is where an almost endless supply of Schoolboy Atheists will launch into ever-decreasing circles of denial, and exercises of semantics worthy of any medieval theologian.


Bullshiat. There is no evidence whatsoever for any of the supernatural deities or events claimed by any religion ever. No semantic twisting needed. Just the facts ma'am.
 
2012-12-23 05:48:53 PM

letrole: Atheism is a Religion. A piss-poor Religion, but a Religion regardless.


You know what's sad? It's not nearly as piss poor, brought about so much hatred, abuse and wretchedness as this religion.

www.thenader.com

Money is truly the mother of all piss poor gods.
 
2012-12-23 05:51:38 PM

bunner: letrole: Atheism is a Religion. A piss-poor Religion, but a Religion regardless.

You know what's sad? It's not nearly as piss poor, brought about so much hatred, abuse and wretchedness as this religion.

[www.thenader.com image 700x302]

Money is truly the mother of all piss poor gods.


If you don't like that particular religious overlord to dictate your life, feel free to unload all of that dirty money - preferably into my bank account. ;)

/not arguing with you, just making a (probably bad) funny.
 
2012-12-23 05:52:19 PM
ParaHandy: Quantum mechanics sounds just as fanciful as religion - even Einstein famously said "God does not play dice". However, it became established science, and so he changed his position. In later life, he also became an atheist.


"Anybody else feel like they shouldn't have worn a jumper today?"
-- Albert Einstein, burning in Hell

"It's not the humidity, it's the infernal heat that makes it so hot".
-- Albert Einstein, adjusting a broken thermostat whilst burning in Hell

"How's it going, Hitler?"
-- Albert Einstein, making friends whilst burning in Hell.

"What I wouldn't give for a single drop of cool water right now. Or maybe an Eskimo Pie."
-- Albert Einstein, peckish whilst burning in Hell.

"At least that self-important coont Oppenheimer's not here. Not yet".
-- Albert Einstein, contemplating ways it could be worse whilst burning in Hell

"Could God make a rock so big that He couldn't lift it? Ha, answer that!"
-- Albert Einstein, losing his classic understated wit and then just revelling in smug atheist circle-jerkery whilst burning in Hell.
 
2012-12-23 05:54:24 PM

LisaNeedsBraces: /not arguing with you, just making a (probably bad) funny.


Nah, just reinforcing precisely what I said. : )

God money I'll do anything for you. God money just tell me what you want me to.
 
2012-12-23 05:55:55 PM
Here's an interesting metric for whatever your belief or non belief system is. Unplug the money. Is it gasping for air? The it's probably crap.
 
2012-12-23 05:56:36 PM

bunner: ParaHandy: There is nothing super special about earth,

Huh. From what I've been informed of by every single science organization you can name, Earth, at least from our limited perspective, since we live here, is ASTOUNDINGLY special.


It's more suited to life than a gas giant or a moon. Liquid water and some kind of tidal motion are necessary, plus an appropriate temperature range for the biochemistry. However, there are uncounted quadrillions of planets, and it seems likely that there is at least one more somewhere with the right conditions for life.

Clearly life is rare, but to use the argument favoured by the believers in religion, it is quite literally impossible to ever prove there isn't another planet with life ... the universe is not only expanding, but so is space-time itself, so nearly all of it is moving away from us faster than the speed of light and thus will be permanently outside our observable universe anyway. Maybe that's how the FSM keeps intelligent life forms apart.

But alas, little grey men have not been kidnapping hicks or crashing tiny interstellar space craft in New Mexico or Tunguska :)
 
2012-12-23 05:58:27 PM

ParaHandy: It's more suited to life than a gas giant or a moon. Liquid water and some kind of tidal motion are necessary, plus an appropriate temperature range for the biochemistry. However, there are uncounted quadrillions of planets, and it seems likely that there is at least one more somewhere with the right conditions for life.


But doesn't that assume that all life forms work just like ours? And doesn't that make us, and earth, by definition, special?
 
2012-12-23 05:58:30 PM
ParaHandy so nearly all of it is moving away from us faster than the speed of light

wat
 
2012-12-23 05:58:31 PM

bunner: LisaNeedsBraces: /not arguing with you, just making a (probably bad) funny.

Nah, just reinforcing precisely what I said. : )

God money I'll do anything for you. God money just tell me what you want me to.


NIN reference = win :)
 
2012-12-23 05:59:49 PM

bunner: Here's an interesting metric for whatever your belief or non belief system is. Unplug the money. Is it gasping for air? The it's probably crap.


The FSM has no need of earthly trappings like money, he is all sustaining and derives his energy from 26 dimensional quantum vacuum fluctuations.

www.evolvefish.com
 
2012-12-23 06:01:00 PM

letrole: Now I Is! The moral code of a Druid, for example, is quite staunchly against any form of bigotry, misogyny, or dogmatic disbelief in the fundamental principles of nature.

letrole: Off to good and inclusive start, but then they lose points with the bit concerning human sacrifices and playing football with the skulls of the enemy killed in battle.

Now I Is! But that's the advantage of having no strict dogma, admitting that your ancestors were wrong is actually quite easy.

But what about that policeman they burnt in a bonfire or something on that scottish island?


It is well known fact that Christopher Lee is a Supervillain and, therefore, his actions were congruent with the policies of The Guild of Calamitous Intent, and were not sanctioned by the OBOD or any equivalent organisation.
 
2012-12-23 06:01:50 PM

letrole: ParaHandy so nearly all of it is moving away from us faster than the speed of light

wat


No, really it's true. Would I troll a trole?
 
2012-12-23 06:02:41 PM

ParaHandy: bunner: Here's an interesting metric for whatever your belief or non belief system is. Unplug the money. Is it gasping for air? The it's probably crap.

The FSM has no need of earthly trappings like money, he is all sustaining and derives his energy from 26 dimensional quantum vacuum fluctuations.

[www.evolvefish.com image 240x78]


Well, that's handy. I mean, it sounds like some oppressive construct designed to disenfranchise the unenlightened, but so far, that seems to be the point of religion, half of academia and most of politics. Does it ever cause concern that, so far, it's the best we can do?
 
2012-12-23 06:02:43 PM

ParaHandy: bunner: Keizer_Ghidorah: What does being there have to do with it? Science and logic, along with the history of Earth, shows that there's no evidence of super-duper beings. Earth is 4.5 billion years old, not 6,000 years. That alone throws the Christian side out the window.

But.. teh AL1ENS! See, the thing is, the only one provable thing in this whole maelstrom of "huh UH!" is we don't really know. We do, it seems NEED to know, though. I think we should focus on that.

What we do know is already enough to reduce the scope of possibility of deities to the minimum possible: ones that exist outside our universe (or multiverse) and basically pressed the PLAY button and set it going like a little clockwork. Whether such a deity exists or not is a completely moot question of metaphysics, since they have no impact on what goes on in our world.

What religions do to try to maintain their credibility and reconcile their myths with reality is to back pedal .... "the writer of Genesis didn't really mean the earth is only 6,000 years old, it's an allegory" or "it's ok to wear polyester now, and you can no longer keep slaves, but gays are still bad" and "we changed our minds, yes the bible says the earth is round" once they could no longer contain the truth.

There is nothing super special about earth, and so it seems likely that life exists on other planets given their vast numbers (astronomers estimates just went up another order of magnitude or so recently). However, until I see evidence of it, I remain skeptical.

Similarly, any true scientist like me is definitionally agnostic (if evidence is found, then we'll believe) and an atheist based on current evidence (people have been trying to prove the existence of tens of thousands of deities for thousands of years, and not a single shred of evidence for any of them has turned up). The odds are not looking good for the sky fairies.

The value of hypothesis about how the universe works is in its ability to enable us to predic ...


Who was it who told Einstein to "Stop telling God what to do"? (Don't feel like looking it up. Good quip, though.)
 
2012-12-23 06:05:01 PM
Now I Is!: It is well known fact that Christopher Lee is a Supervillain and, therefore, his actions were congruent with the policies of The Guild of Calamitous Intent, and were not sanctioned by the OBOD or any equivalent organisation.

Then they shouldn't put stuff like that on the telly.
 
2012-12-23 06:06:24 PM

bunner: ParaHandy: It's more suited to life than a gas giant or a moon. Liquid water and some kind of tidal motion are necessary, plus an appropriate temperature range for the biochemistry. However, there are uncounted quadrillions of planets, and it seems likely that there is at least one more somewhere with the right conditions for life.

But doesn't that assume that all life forms work just like ours? And doesn't that make us, and earth, by definition, special?


Oh, come, now. Perhaps we work like them, and they're the ones who are, by definition, special.

/Dah, da-dah, da-da-da-da-dah.
 
2012-12-23 06:07:03 PM

ten foiled hats: Oh, come, now. Perhaps we work like them, and they're the ones who are, by definition, special.


And?
 
2012-12-23 06:08:07 PM

bunner: Huggermugger: Actually, there is such a cocktail party. I attended it once, due to the fact that I have a close relative who's worth over $20 million dollars. Those people really do own the world, and they can get, or do, anything they want. They also have loathing and contempt for poor people, and enjoy the idea that their share of the pie is becoming huger and huger.

Yes, but that religion is money and if anybody wants to wage war on greedy, self important c*nts, I'll pop for gas money and printing ink.


They use religion as their best tool to control the electorate that keeps them in power.
 
2012-12-23 06:09:28 PM
So far, all I see is a lot of dismissive snorting, arrogant authority postures, some pretty nebulous science and straight off the ready to wear rack trolling. I do have the advantage of expecting nothing else, though. Nobody knows, folks. That's the adventure.
 
2012-12-23 06:10:05 PM

Huggermugger: They use religion as their best tool to control the electorate that keeps them in power.


No, I'm pretty sure that's money, too.
 
2012-12-23 06:10:14 PM
Scrooge was driven to his humbug views by all the fanatics around him. Can you blame him? They couldn't even leave him alone in his sleep, sending goddamn GHOSTS after him. How mean is that?
 
2012-12-23 06:11:57 PM

bunner: ten foiled hats: Oh, come, now. Perhaps we work like them, and they're the ones who are, by definition, special.

And?


bunner: So far, all I see is a lot of dismissive snorting, arrogant authority postures, some pretty nebulous science and straight off the ready to wear rack trolling. I do have the advantage of expecting nothing else, though. Nobody knows, folks. That's the adventure.


Hence my little jingle, there.
 
2012-12-23 06:13:23 PM
Other atheists join in harassing the heinous atheists for trying to take away the "hey is this holy" rudolph the claymation what the hell cartoon, Nightmare Before Christmas, and 24 hour non-christian christmas music in stores.

Well, I'll give them the music one. Even employees want to go deaf.
 
2012-12-23 06:16:12 PM

cwolf20: Other atheists join in harassing the heinous atheists for trying to take away the "hey is this holy" rudolph the claymation what the hell cartoon, Nightmare Before Christmas, and 24 hour non-christian christmas music in stores.

Well, I'll give them the music one. Even employees want to go deaf.


Are they trying to take away The Nightmare Before Christmas?! THEY CAN SHUT THEIR WHORE MOUTHS!!!
 
2012-12-23 06:16:25 PM
ParaHandy: so nearly all of it is moving away from us faster than the speed of light
letrole: wat
ParaHandy: No, really it's true. Would I troll a trole?

It's a crock, like dark matter. Pure conjecture. Frankly, the numbers don't add up. So as a matter of faith, two cheats are used: the idea that space itself expands, and that the majority of the universe is missing in the form of purposely scare-quoted "dark matter".
 
2012-12-23 06:17:06 PM

letrole: ParaHandy: Quantum mechanics sounds just as fanciful as religion - even Einstein famously said "God does not play dice". However, it became established science, and so he changed his position. In later life, he also became an atheist.


"Anybody else feel like they shouldn't have worn a jumper today?"
-- Albert Einstein, burning in Hell

"It's not the humidity, it's the infernal heat that makes it so hot".
-- Albert Einstein, adjusting a broken thermostat whilst burning in Hell

"How's it going, Hitler?"
-- Albert Einstein, making friends whilst burning in Hell.

"What I wouldn't give for a single drop of cool water right now. Or maybe an Eskimo Pie."
-- Albert Einstein, peckish whilst burning in Hell.

"At least that self-important coont Oppenheimer's not here. Not yet".
-- Albert Einstein, contemplating ways it could be worse whilst burning in Hell

"Could God make a rock so big that He couldn't lift it? Ha, answer that!"
-- Albert Einstein, losing his classic understated wit and then just revelling in smug atheist circle-jerkery whilst burning in Hell.


You really need a new act.
 
2012-12-23 06:17:56 PM
We're all twitchy about all of this because all of the things we built upon, belief or non belief, are losing their meaning. What we're not bright enough to do, it seems, is take a hard, long view look at what were all replacing it with, without question.
 
2012-12-23 06:18:47 PM

ParaHandy: letrole: ParaHandy so nearly all of it is moving away from us faster than the speed of light

wat

No, really it's true. Would I troll a trole?


No wonder everyone seems fatter!
 
2012-12-23 06:21:39 PM

letrole: ParaHandy: so nearly all of it is moving away from us faster than the speed of light
letrole: wat
ParaHandy: No, really it's true. Would I troll a trole?

It's a crock, like dark matter. Pure conjecture. Frankly, the numbers don't add up. So as a matter of faith, two cheats are used: the idea that space itself expands, and that the majority of the universe is missing in the form of purposely scare-quoted "dark matter".



You sound like an unbeliever.
 
2012-12-23 06:22:25 PM
FOX Sports has 'Happy Holidays' as their graphic.

They must be stopped at all costs.
 
2012-12-23 06:22:41 PM

bunner: So far, all I see is a lot of dismissive snorting, arrogant authority postures, some pretty nebulous science and straight off the ready to wear rack trolling. I do have the advantage of expecting nothing else, though. Nobody knows, folks. That's the adventure.


Yeah, it makes it hard to discuss anything with someone who petulantly dismisses everything shown to him and insists on acting like a child when discussing things.

Sorry, actual researched, observable, existing facts have more power and relevance than impossible-to-prove gods who you can attribute anything to and say anything about to make your opinions seem true.

letrole: ParaHandy: so nearly all of it is moving away from us faster than the speed of light
letrole: wat
ParaHandy: No, really it's true. Would I troll a trole?

It's a crock, like dark matter. Pure conjecture. Frankly, the numbers don't add up. So as a matter of faith, two cheats are used: the idea that space itself expands, and that the majority of the universe is missing in the form of purposely scare-quoted "dark matter".


Yep, the only reason they called it "dark matter" was for the scariness. Not because it's, you know, DARK as in "no light or color". For someone who dismisses science so much, you sure seem to know the intimate details of it and the minds of scientists.
 
2012-12-23 06:22:57 PM

UsikFark: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: UsikFark: Man, I want Christmas sex. Stupid protestant moral crusaders.

I hear subby's mom is available.

I don't do charity.


my name isn't charity, I'm also not subby's mom....
 
2012-12-23 06:26:22 PM

LisaNeedsBraces: Tyranicle: I'm a WASP athiest, so therefore I have no problem with religion, Christmas, Santa Clause, etc. As a madder of fact, I love Christmas. These 'athiest' who have a problem with traditional wester culture, I.e 'white' culture are mainly jews.

Trolling troll goes a-trollin'?



bestuff.com
He trolled...poorly.
 
2012-12-23 06:27:22 PM
Keizer_Ghidorah: Yep, the only reason they called it "dark matter" was for the scariness.

You don't know what a scare-quote is, but you wish to discuss cosmology.

Please, fark off and die in a fire.
 
2012-12-23 06:29:39 PM

bunner: We're all twitchy about all of this because all of the things we built upon, belief or non belief, are losing their meaning. What we're not bright enough to do, it seems, is take a hard, long view look at what were all replacing it with, without question.


When humans were more primitive and stupid, they created gods for everything. Lightning and thunder were two divine brothers fighting over a woman, Zeus tossing thunderbolts at things that annoyed him, or a gigantic bird who fired lightning with each flap of its wings. The turning of the seasons was the deity of the climate being sad when her daughter was in the underworld and happy when she was with her. Every tree, every rock, every animal was the home of some manner of god, demigod, or other divine being. People once believed that sneezing causes your soul to fly out of your body, and saying "Bless you" prevented the Devil from taking its place. As we became smarter, as we began to explore and test and observe, we no longer needed gods to explain how things work. Like a child growing up and learning that Santa Claus is really his parents buying the presents from the store, humanity is growing up and leaving behind the need for fairy tales.

And ever notice how many gods and goddesses are created in the image of man? Even the more non-human, like the Egyptian gods, were humans with animal heads. Humans are a very self-centered and arrogant species.
 
2012-12-23 06:31:26 PM

Boojum2k: Theonceovertwice: I'm an atheist, and I have no problem with Christmas.

Agnostic, but this.

The 90% of atheists who act like expressions of other peoples belief is a supernatural force that will harm them make the reasonable 10% look bad.



IMO, you make the reasonable look bad.

Government ruled by religion, or that favors religion, is a force that can harm non-religious people, and society at large.

An education system that's not allowed to teach actual science because it's against some people's creation beliefs can harm society at large. That kind of enforcement of willful ignorance is never a boon.

These are things that you are apparently grossly ignorant of, or willfully ignorant of, considering their frequent appearance even on fark.
 
2012-12-23 06:31:49 PM

letrole: Keizer_Ghidorah: Yep, the only reason they called it "dark matter" was for the scariness.

You don't know what a scare-quote is, but you wish to discuss cosmology.

Please, fark off and die in a fire.


Oooooo, did I hit a nerve? Or are you starting to lose it?

You're the one saying it's scare-quoted after putting them in scare-quotes yourself.
 
2012-12-23 06:32:48 PM
Brave? When these Atheists go to Egypt to oppose Sharia, then they can claim courage.
 
2012-12-23 06:33:04 PM
Keizer_Ghidorah: Humans are a very self-centered and arrogant species.


Well other species would be very self-centred and arrogant if they weren't dumb beasts incapable of higher intellect and emotions.
 
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