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2012-12-23 04:11:41 PM
Okay, so it isn't about Islam because, they, you know, they might just fark us up if we start shouting at them about THEIR sky wizard and it's not about teh joos because, he, you can't pick on the Jews, because they had a really hard way to go in WWII and it's not about Buddha or Confucius, cause, hey, they're like, totally eastern and sh*t. You just essentially have a bug up your ass about Jeeyuhzuss. Now THAT'S a hobby. : )
 
2012-12-23 04:13:57 PM

letrole: I noticed a lot of these goobers have started bleating about strawman this and strawman that.

The bad part is that there aren't any strawman arguments being exposed. Please learn a new farking word.

Strawman is the new Troll.


While you are still nothing more than an old one.  Also, asking people to "please learn a new farking word" is rich coming from the child who trots out "atheism is a religion" every goddamn time one of these threads hit the main page.

You bore me.  *Plonk*
 
2012-12-23 04:13:58 PM

bunner: ParaHandy: In your world view, since I don't respect sky fairies I am not smart. OK, that's your world view. It doesn't make it real.

I'm not stooping low ... I am challenging your mistaken beliefs. They are very ridiculous, and I am very blunt. If that makes you feel insulted or uncomfortable, stop believing ridiculous nonsense. Politely turning a blind eye to your delusion only works when it doesn't affect others.

Imagine you live somewhere hot like Florida, and have an elderly Korean visiting you. At what point do you stop him from running around turning off the ceiling fans?

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there's a cultural fear of fans in eastern Asia, an odd belief that running them in sealed rooms will make you suffocate. Most fans in Asia have timers on them for that reason. Look up "fan death".
 
2012-12-23 04:14:31 PM

Coiled Hot 1: I'm an athiest and really dont care if people want to celebrate thier holiday. Most athiests are more annoying than christains. STFU and let people enjoy themselves the way they see fit. Merry Xmas, happy holidays, and that jewish thing that I cant spell or care to learn. Peace on earth and good will toward men...and women. Now go make me a sandwich.


Well said.

I'm an Itheist, myself.

I am God, and all other "things" are just figments that I created to alleviate the boredom that inevitably comes from being the only thing in existence.
 
2012-12-23 04:14:47 PM

bunner: RexTalionis: Hey, Christians. Rampant commercialism destroyed Christmas long before atheists even bothered to care.

Oh, that sounds a terrible bother. Do go on at length at the travails and tribulations of trying to EDUCATE the poor Jesus idiots. *snort* Take away the smirk and the down the nose harrumph and the atheist "movement" looks a lot like a bunch of kids playing "Oh, nuh UH!, *I* am smarter!" As if staunch non-belief in something had some air of inherent intellectual credibility about it. It doesn't. Would that not be be interesting if it did?


7/10. -3 for butchering the language.
 
2012-12-23 04:15:42 PM

Rufus Lee King: If you want to be an atheist, be an atheist.

However, the "HEY, EVERYBODY!!! LOOKIT ME!!! I'M AN ATHEIST!!!" thing is best left out.

No one cares about your personal problems.


Because religious people NEVER promote their beliefs/problems?
 
2012-12-23 04:15:51 PM

kingoomieiii: Look up "fan death".


I'm just gonna take your word for it. Mostly because it's germane to nothing and I can't be arsed.
 
2012-12-23 04:16:30 PM

The One True TheDavid: St_Francis_P:

And they must be stopped

Uhm...why?

Speaking as a religion-hating atheist, I really don't care what people believe. What bothers me being beaten up by commercialism: I'd rather those few "Christians" who really care about the alleged birthday of their man-god do all they can to make the yearly shopping frenzy unfashionable.

Have your candlelit services, pass out Advent calendars, pray in public (as long as its voluntary: you don't want us to force you NOT to pray, do you?), wish each other (and even me) any goddamn thing you want, but for chrissake stop shopping if you truly love Jesus! You're welcome to picket against "Xmas shopping" in the public areas of shopping malls: I'll defend to the death your right to do so, I might even join you with a sign reading "An atheist against Xmas SHOPPING." And hey, if anarchists can break windows at Starbuck's then y'all can trash a Macy's for all I care. As long as you don't make celebrating the birth of your savior mandatory, please please please contrast religious observance with all that worship of Mammon.

And don't get me started on the goyification of Hanukkah. If there is no Jewish holiday where gift-giving is holy then there are always a few hundred secular days to do it on: every Jew has a birthday, for example, even if s/he's not the messiah.

SHOP LESS, PRAY MORE!


Your blog sucks.

/Secular Christmas is awesome
//Christmas dinner is awesome
///Shopping for presents and getting presents is fun
////Caroling is fun
//Christmas parties are fun
//Atheist
 
2012-12-23 04:18:25 PM

cygnusx13: 7/10. -3 for butchering the language.


I'm not trolling, I'm not in a popularity contest, I didn't butcher sh*t, your priggish assertions notwithstanding and I don't give a fat, monkey's ass what you think about anything. Now what, Socrates? : )
 
2012-12-23 04:20:10 PM

Coiled Hot 1: I'm an athiest and really dont care if people want to celebrate thier holiday. Most athiests are more annoying than christains. STFU and let people enjoy themselves the way they see fit. Merry Xmas, happy holidays, and that jewish thing that I cant spell or care to learn. Peace on earth and good will toward men...and women. Now go make me a sandwich


Pretty much my attitude. There are some beautiful light displays to look at. A week off from work. People spending, which is good for the economy. And a lot of people in a happy good mood. Happy kids faces. I stay home for my week off. Don't put up any decorations or do anything special, and eat all the wonderful food that people send me because I am a "poor" bachelor. Then sleep in while the faithful are at church. It's awesome.

All in all I just truly don't get the bitterness and hate from fellow non-believers.
 
2012-12-23 04:22:55 PM
Christians demand that America be turned into a Christian nation and have the nerve to act surprised when people say no. The Founding Fathers didn't want ANY religion to be the singular one of America. Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion. I've yet to have Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, or atheists knock at my door and tell me that I'm going to burn in everlasting torture unless I join their club. And it's really ironic how much Christianity whines about being persecuted, then turns around and persecutes other religions, homosexuals, and women. The entire history of Christianity has been one of persecuting others, assimilating other religions into itself, and trying to spread itself across the world.
 
2012-12-23 04:23:48 PM

bunner: kingoomieiii: Well, whatever your supernatural belief of choice is, it's super dumb,

Surely you cribbed this from Kant or Hegel.

kingoomieiii: if I respond honestly to a direct question about what religion I practice, I will be considered untrustworthy by the religious (85% of people).

I have a few statistics and baseless assertions left over from the ones I traded for Superbowl tickets, in case you run out.


If you're done mocking word choice and nitpicking numbers, perhaps you can actually respond to the message?
 
2012-12-23 04:24:10 PM

Rufus Lee King: Seriously, though, you "atheist" types: what's the deal with trying to rain on people's parades? It's infantile, and speaks volumes about you. Shut the f__k up.


Lol. Waaaah!
 
2012-12-23 04:24:26 PM

bunner: ParaHandy: Moral of the story: reality is not a popularity contest. Just because 100m Americans believe in some kind of deity does not make it so.

Or not so. Thefact of the matter is, you don't know, they don't know, I don't know and to deny that is to piss from a great height on science. But, then so does this while zeitgeist of "YOU HAVE TO ABSITIVELY COMMIT TO A SIDE!" that permeates our entire culture, as of late.

Something I didn't note earlier ... religious faith is strongly correlated with being older, less intelligent and less educated. I leave you to draw your own conclusions.

Oh, I did. I got some blanket and ostensibly unimpeachable statistics can let you have for a pair of super bowl tickets. First thirty rows, please. They're really good statistics.


Again, the logical fallacy of "I can claim anything, and as long as enough people have believed it for long enough, you have to DISprove it". There are infinite possibilities for things we don't know about, and trying to disprove them does not lead anywhere. This is why science works bottom up - use the evidence to inductively form a hypothesis, and then design experiements to prove it (or not). This is why we have Occam's Razor (invented by Duns Scotus btw, not Occam :)

The distribution of air molecules in the room you are in is a result of random motion and collisions. There is no law of physics that says they definitively can't all end up at the other end of the room and thus leave you breathless and exploding; however, the chance of it happening is so infinitesimal that you don't worry about it. I assign a lower probability to any one religion being true. The odds of a semi-literate camel herder in the middle east having got it right by chance, and millenia of rigorous scientific inquiry yeilding zip? Rather low.

There is an invisible monster under your bed which only I can detect. I call it the FSM. As an intellectual exercise, try to prove that it does not exist. When you start getting into the difference between the FSM and your deity of choice, you will quickly realise that the ONLY differences between the FSM and your god are (a) popularity, (b) the FSM isn't the god you were told to believe in by adults, and (c) the creator of the FSM doesn't actually believe what he wrote. When you understand why you are certain the FSM is not real, despite there being no evidence either way, you'll understand why your god is not real either.

American Football is a perversion of rugby, and Superbowl tickets are crazily overpriced. However, I will happily buy you a pair on the 50 yard line and a VIP hospitality package if you can provide any verifiable evidence i can test for the existence of any supernatural deity or event from any religion whatsoever. Both in the sense that I am certain the bet is not collectable, and in the sense that (suspending disbelief for a moment) if you could, we'd be splitting a Nobel Prize at minimum.
 
2012-12-23 04:24:35 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: The entire history of Christianity organized religion has been one of persecuting others, assimilating other religions into itself, and trying to spread itself across the world.


F
 
2012-12-23 04:26:23 PM

ParaHandy: Again, the logical fallacy of "I can claim anything, and as long as enough people have believed it for long enough, you have to DISprove it".


That's sort of how opinions work. sit tight. In another century or so, maybe atheism will be the dominant opinion and YOU can dismiss whose who disagree, too. Sort of like now, only somebody will give a sh*t. Cause it's all opinions, daddy-o.
 
2012-12-23 04:27:53 PM

kingoomieiii: perhaps you can actually respond to the message?


With all due respect, nothing about "whatever you think is super dumb" begs much of a response that I can actually say with a straight face.
 
2012-12-23 04:28:54 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: . I've yet to have Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, or atheists knock at my door and tell me that I'm going to burn in everlasting torture unless I join their club.



Don't like proselytizers? No problem.

Tell them you'll be happy to listen their spiel - for $50.00 per minute - paid in advance.
 
2012-12-23 04:30:24 PM
i49.tinypic.com.
 
2012-12-23 04:30:57 PM
Quick history lesson...

There was a War on Christmas, it was in 2005-2006. Religious symbols have no place on public property but there was this drive to purge the word "Christmas" out of everything and even demands to remove Christmas trees from various schools/public places.

Yes, that did happen, and it was stupid, and the people who were behind it were arseholes.

I remember repeatedly making the statement "I'm an atheist, the name of the holiday is Christmas, and there is nothing wrong with trees. Get over yourselves"

The effort to completely destroy the word "Christmas" from being used by anyone created a justified backlash but unfortunately the religious cannot let it go so they have to act like the efforts to remove teh baby jesus from the public square where he does not belong are the same as the people who tried to yank Christmas trees out of schools 5-6 years ago.
 
2012-12-23 04:33:04 PM
...

ParaHandy: and (c) the creator of the FSM doesn't actually believe what he wrote.


...I have the truck full of dodo birds and am at the top of the cliff. Are you telling me I should stop now?
 
2012-12-23 04:33:04 PM

bunner: Keizer_Ghidorah: The entire history of Christianity organized religion has been one of persecuting others, assimilating other religions into itself, and trying to spread itself across the world.

F


Don't recall Buddhism doing it, or Hinduism. Christianity, though, took pagan celebrations and stuck the birth and death of Jesus (both of which were movable feasts before then) into them to create Christmas and Easter, as a way to absorb and twist the pagan ways into something "acceptable" to Christianity. Not to forget the missionaries who went to other countries and used threat of death, genocide, starvation, and other means to force the natives to convert to Christianity.
 
2012-12-23 04:34:22 PM
Christmas will happen anyway.
 
2012-12-23 04:36:15 PM

randomjsa: Quick history lesson...

There was a War on Christmas, it was in 2005-2006. Religious symbols have no place on public property but there was this drive to purge the word "Christmas" out of everything and even demands to remove Christmas trees from various schools/public places.

Yes, that did happen, and it was stupid, and the people who were behind it were arseholes.

I remember repeatedly making the statement "I'm an atheist, the name of the holiday is Christmas, and there is nothing wrong with trees. Get over yourselves"

The effort to completely destroy the word "Christmas" from being used by anyone created a justified backlash but unfortunately the religious cannot let it go so they have to act like the efforts to remove teh baby jesus from the public square where he does not belong are the same as the people who tried to yank Christmas trees out of schools 5-6 years ago.


Funny thing? Christians themselves once declared war on Christmas because of its pagan roots (ironically because Christians put the birth of Jesus onto the pagan midwinter celebrations in order to assimilate and convert the pagan celebrations into something "acceptable". And the Puritans did it again in early America, and they rode around destroying all Christmas decorations they could find).
 
2012-12-23 04:37:13 PM

randomjsa: Quick history lesson...

There was a War on Christmas, it was in 2005-2006. Religious symbols have no place on public property but there was this drive to purge the word "Christmas" out of everything and even demands to remove Christmas trees from various schools/public places.

Yes, that did happen, and it was stupid, and the people who were behind it were arseholes.

I remember repeatedly making the statement "I'm an atheist, the name of the holiday is Christmas, and there is nothing wrong with trees. Get over yourselves"

The effort to completely destroy the word "Christmas" from being used by anyone created a justified backlash but unfortunately the religious cannot let it go so they have to act like the efforts to remove teh baby jesus from the public square where he does not belong are the same as the people who tried to yank Christmas trees out of schools 5-6 years ago.



Some people REALLY don't like the first part of that word. Some won't even write it, let alone utter it.
 
2012-12-23 04:37:41 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: bunner: Keizer_Ghidorah: The entire history of Christianity organized religion has been one of persecuting others, assimilating other religions into itself, and trying to spread itself across the world.

F

Don't recall Buddhism doing it, or Hinduism. Christianity, though, took pagan celebrations and stuck the birth and death of Jesus (both of which were movable feasts before then) into them to create Christmas and Easter, as a way to absorb and twist the pagan ways into something "acceptable" to Christianity. Not to forget the missionaries who went to other countries and used threat of death, genocide, starvation, and other means to force the natives to convert to Christianity.


I think we have a different idea about what "organized" means, although I can see your point. As soon as somebody starts passing a plate and demanding you don't ask too many questions, you might be in an organized religion or some corporate behemoth. Regardless of which, it's probably a good idea to run like hell.
 
2012-12-23 04:39:10 PM

bunner: kingoomieiii: perhaps you can actually respond to the message?

With all due respect, nothing about "whatever you think is super dumb" begs much of a response that I can actually say with a straight face.


Then respond without one. It's the internet, I won't even be able to tell.

Unless that's just a cop-out and you don't have an answer.
 
2012-12-23 04:40:43 PM

kingoomieiii: Unless that's just a cop-out and you don't have an answer.


Oh, ffs. Are you still pestering me? OK. An answer to WHAT? Specifically.
 
2012-12-23 04:40:48 PM

Coiled Hot 1: STFU and let people enjoy themselves the way they see fit.


No. We don't allow such a stupid idea in any other context, why should we allow it in this one?
 
2012-12-23 04:40:56 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: bunner: Keizer_Ghidorah: The entire history of Christianity organized religion has been one of persecuting others, assimilating other religions into itself, and trying to spread itself across the world.

F

Don't recall Buddhism doing it, or Hinduism. Christianity, though, took pagan celebrations and stuck the birth and death of Jesus (both of which were movable feasts before then) into them to create Christmas and Easter, as a way to absorb and twist the pagan ways into something "acceptable" to Christianity. Not to forget the missionaries who went to other countries and used threat of death, genocide, starvation, and other means to force the natives to convert to Christianity.



Judaism is the "mother religion" of both Christianity and Islam, and has a proud history of enslaving / genociding outsiders.

See the Torah / Old Testament
 
2012-12-23 04:43:37 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Coiled Hot 1: STFU and let people enjoy themselves the way they see fit.

No. We don't allow such a stupid idea in any other context, why should we allow it in this one?



WAT?
 
2012-12-23 04:44:02 PM

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.


Don't you ever get tired of it? The same troll, every farking atheism thread.

Well, you and your occupational surname have finally done it, something no other farker has accomplished before. I'm done with your trolling, I'm putting you on ignore. My first ignore ever.

I'd suggest everyone else here do the same.
 
2012-12-23 04:45:30 PM

DarkVader: Don't you ever get tired of it? The same troll, every farking atheism thread.

Well, you and your occupational surname have finally done it, something no other farker has accomplished before. I'm done with your trolling, I'm putting you on ignore. My first ignore ever.

I'd suggest everyone else here do the same.



I think that's exactly the sort of attention he craves.
 
2012-12-23 04:46:19 PM

bunner: With all due respect, nothing about "whatever you think is super dumb" begs much of a response that I can actually say with a straight face.


And, with all due respect, I completely stand by it. Whatever superstitious belief you hold, or anyone holds, is laughable when viewed from a rational perspective. History is not kind to any superstition.

"Fire, a natural chemical reaction, was originally stolen from heaven."
"Yeah, there was probably a guy born of a virgin, who cured illnesses, and rose from the dead."
"Yeah, there was probably a god who had a bunch of hybrid children with farm animals out of boredom."
"Oh, the land masses of the Earth were originally giants that fell from the sky into the ocean. Obviously."
 
2012-12-23 04:46:42 PM

RexTalionis: Hey, Christians. Rampant commercialism destroyed Christmas long before atheists even bothered to care.


Didn't the Christians corrupt and hijack the Pagan Winter Solstice Festivals long before commercialism may have corrupted Christmas?
 
2012-12-23 04:47:48 PM

Amos Quito: Keizer_Ghidorah: bunner: Keizer_Ghidorah: The entire history of Christianity organized religion has been one of persecuting others, assimilating other religions into itself, and trying to spread itself across the world.

F

Don't recall Buddhism doing it, or Hinduism. Christianity, though, took pagan celebrations and stuck the birth and death of Jesus (both of which were movable feasts before then) into them to create Christmas and Easter, as a way to absorb and twist the pagan ways into something "acceptable" to Christianity. Not to forget the missionaries who went to other countries and used threat of death, genocide, starvation, and other means to force the natives to convert to Christianity.


Judaism is the "mother religion" of both Christianity and Islam, and has a proud history of enslaving / genociding outsiders.

See the Torah / Old Testament


Exactly. God himself tells his followers to convert others and destroy them if they refuse. But somehow the New Testament/later documents make the OT/older documents obsolete and unapplicable, except for the one sentence that Christians latch onto in order to persecute homosexuals. So the old stuff doesn't apply except when it does, usually as a means to persecute others.

Confused yet?

/blended fabrics, menstruating women, shellfish, disrespectful children, working on the Sabbath: okie-dokie. Homosexuals: BAAAAAAD!
 
2012-12-23 04:48:55 PM

Vodka Zombie: St_Francis_P: And they must be stopped

Uhm...why?

Because JESUS!!!


Yeah, usually.

/BTW, don't mention he's Jewish and was probably pretty Arab-looking and possibly gay. Heads exploding isn't very festive. For most, anyway.
 
2012-12-23 04:49:07 PM

DarkVader: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

Don't you ever get tired of it? The same troll, every farking atheism thread.


Well, aside from the commonly held set of values, gathering together with like minded people, books, pamphlets, endless jockeying for position in the media for people who represent those views, and wholesale pissing and moaning about anything theist, yeah, it's nothing like a religion. It's more like Fair and Balanced™
 
2012-12-23 04:49:14 PM

bunner: kingoomieiii: Unless that's just a cop-out and you don't have an answer.

Oh, ffs. Are you still pestering me? OK. An answer to WHAT? Specifically.


Well, my original post to you (the one you responded to by dancing around with two different fallacious arguments) was intended to run down why exactly your response to the 'non-stamp-collector' argument was a load of shiat. I was wondering if you had an actual response to it, or if you were just going to completely ignore it and make your argument to someone else at a later time, hoping that they wouldn't be able to shoot it down.
 
2012-12-23 04:49:20 PM

whatshisname: DarkVader: Don't you ever get tired of it? The same troll, every farking atheism thread.

Well, you and your occupational surname have finally done it, something no other farker has accomplished before. I'm done with your trolling, I'm putting you on ignore. My first ignore ever.

I'd suggest everyone else here do the same.


I think that's exactly the sort of attention he craves.


He craves to be ignored? I doubt it, since the easiest way to be ignored is to post nothing.
 
2012-12-23 04:50:13 PM

bunner: DarkVader: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

Don't you ever get tired of it? The same troll, every farking atheism thread.

Well, aside from the commonly held set of values, gathering together with like minded people, books, pamphlets, endless jockeying for position in the media for people who represent those views, and wholesale pissing and moaning about anything theist, yeah, it's nothing like a religion. It's more like Fair and Balanced™


letrole enters every atheism thread with that EXACT post, is the point. And his name is LETROLE. For some reason people respond every time.
 
2012-12-23 04:50:57 PM

doglover: phaseolus: swaniefrmreddeerDoesn't sound like they're much fun after all. I don't think I will take another look. Thanks!

What you want is the neopagans. Preferably Druids.

They're know for sittin' naked in the woods drinkin' strange fermented fluids.


They don't stay sitting.

/likes me some tattoo'd naked pagan girls over the solstice.
 
2012-12-23 04:52:13 PM
thoughtcatalogcom.files.wordpress.com

See the 2nd point
 
2012-12-23 04:52:14 PM

Harry_Seldon: RexTalionis: Hey, Christians. Rampant commercialism destroyed Christmas long before atheists even bothered to care.

Didn't the Christians corrupt and hijack the Pagan Winter Solstice Festivals long before commercialism may have corrupted Christmas?


Yes, but that was before, you know, Christmas. We're talking about Christmas, here. (In a long-way-'roundabout way.)

/Putting down popcorn, going outside for beer'n'smoke. See you farkers later!
//Happy holidays, or just days.
///Nights, too.
 
2012-12-23 04:53:09 PM

Savage Belief: Shazam999: They don't really seem pro-atheist as they mostly anti-religion.

That'd be me. Faith is cool but keep your religion over there.


Seconded. The Jainists and the Quakers don't hammer on my door or want me to buy a subscription, which is probably best as I tend to let my robe fall open on such occasions.

Made a convert once.
 
2012-12-23 04:54:58 PM
Didn't read the article, skipped 3 pages of the comments so I could simply say:

Thank you, Christians, for wanting to include me (an atheist) in your joy & celebrating. Same for the Jewish & Islamic & the pagans & the folks who celebrate Kwanzaa. Thank you for not telling me I am wrong, as I would never tell you that you are wrong (though we may both be thinking it!). But most importantly, thank you for allowing me a paid day off from work that allows me to either spend time with family & friends or to completely ignore them :)
 
2012-12-23 04:56:22 PM

kingoomieiii: bunner: With all due respect, nothing about "whatever you think is super dumb" begs much of a response that I can actually say with a straight face.

And, with all due respect, I completely stand by it. Whatever superstitious belief you hold, or anyone holds, is laughable when viewed from a rational perspective. History is not kind to any superstition.

"Fire, a natural chemical reaction, was originally stolen from heaven."
"Yeah, there was probably a guy born of a virgin, who cured illnesses, and rose from the dead."
"Yeah, there was probably a god who had a bunch of hybrid children with farm animals out of boredom."
"Oh, the land masses of the Earth were originally giants that fell from the sky into the ocean. Obviously."


That's nice.

I mean, it's not a question that begfs a response, just anoehr dime store manifesto but, that's nice. you don't really NEED me around to make it true, do you?

Here's a few.

"First there was absolutely nothing which, despite all laws that we understand govern the states of physical matter, became everything." "What about before that?" "Um, well, it certainly wasn't any sort of mystical being. We can prove that." "How?" "Oh, you are super dumb." "All this shiat evolved from some carbon and water that suddenly got a huge bug up it's ass and decided to mutate into about 290457892783498579028375689724958 different things from single cells." "Uh, otay, Pokey."

And see, if that's what happened, I'm sort of fine with that. But it is no more credible if you step back far enough, that we're some really huge sky person's science project. And I'm fine with that, too. The fact that you desperately need to fly one half of the false dichotomy from your car antenna just doesn't impress me.

Nor should it.

It sounds like, what's the word, evangelicalism.
 
2012-12-23 04:56:25 PM

bunner: DarkVader: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

Don't you ever get tired of it? The same troll, every farking atheism thread.

Well, aside from the commonly held set of values, gathering together with like minded people, books, pamphlets, endless jockeying for position in the media for people who represent those views, and wholesale pissing and moaning about anything theist, yeah, it's nothing like a religion. It's more like Fair and Balanced™


If you want to go there, dungeons and dragons is a religion. Stamp collecting is a religion. Flying airplanes is a religion. Sex is a religion. Football, basketball, baseball, swimming, soccer are all religions.

Or you could accept reality, and understand that none of those characteristics make something a religion, none of the things I listed are religions, and atheism is, by definition, the lack of any religion.
 
2012-12-23 04:56:58 PM

Iron Felix: Atheists who try to get all up in peoples' faces about it are just as bad as religious nuts who try to get all up in peoples' faces abut it.


I don't think I've ever heard that point made before. Certainly not here.
 
2012-12-23 04:58:20 PM

kingoomieiii: your response to the 'non-stamp-collector' argument was a load of shiat.


You know what kid? You're about to go on vacation because K Mart bargain shelf insults are not intellectual acuity, discourse or interesting. Seriously. Sell it to the kids in English class after Christmas vacation.
 
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