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(Salon)   Some of the "bravest atheists in the country" are waging a war on Christmas. And they must be stopped   (salon.com) divider line 592
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2012-12-23 08:23:56 AM  
And they must be stopped

Uhm...why?
 
2012-12-23 08:39:38 AM  

St_Francis_P: And they must be stopped

Uhm...why?


Because JESUS!!!
 
2012-12-23 08:50:55 AM  
Hey, Christians. Rampant commercialism destroyed Christmas long before atheists even bothered to care.
 
2012-12-23 08:51:24 AM  

Vodka Zombie: St_Francis_P: And they must be stopped

Uhm...why?

Because JESUS!!!


You're right, of course. Atheists never stop to consider Jesus.
 
2012-12-23 09:01:06 AM  
I really hope they come through. Christmas farking blows. An entire perfectly good week, destroyed.
 
2012-12-23 09:05:12 AM  
We atheists get the blame for everything bad that happens. The talking head fungelicals were on TV mere hours after some nut bag shoots up a school, to say it was our fault. F*ck them, they are what is wrong with this world, not the people who value reason over superstition. I have no respect for magical thinking, it is wrong and dangerous.
 
2012-12-23 09:09:53 AM  
That argument makes a lot of sense. When you live down here, you really do feel threatened just for being nonreligious and are treated as a threat by supposedly good Christians who hate you.
 
2012-12-23 09:27:38 AM  

GAT_00: That argument makes a lot of sense. When you live down here, you really do feel threatened just for being nonreligious and are treated as a threat by supposedly good Christians who hate you.


There's several passages in the King James bible about killing heathens.

You should be lucky they suck at Christianity because of the first amendment.
 
2012-12-23 09:28:33 AM  

swaniefrmreddeer: fungelicals


Fun evangelicals? Do they have cake, play games, have great picnics with clowns and stuff?

I may have to take another look at this Christianity thing...
 
2012-12-23 09:41:23 AM  

phaseolus: swaniefrmreddeer: fungelicals

Fun evangelicals? Do they have cake, play games, have great picnics with clowns and stuff?

I may have to take another look at this Christianity thing...


Cakes and picnics, yes, clowns are agents of Satan, so they're out. Is booze stuff? If it is, it's out too. It's just not Christmas without getting a good drunk on.
 
2012-12-23 10:03:25 AM  
swaniefrmreddeerDoesn't sound like they're much fun after all. I don't think I will take another look. Thanks!
 
2012-12-23 10:06:30 AM  

phaseolus: swaniefrmreddeerDoesn't sound like they're much fun after all. I don't think I will take another look. Thanks!


What you want is the neopagans. Preferably Druids.

They're know for sittin' naked in the woods drinkin' strange fermented fluids.
 
2012-12-23 10:48:42 AM  
This year the Christmas season started before most people were done eating their Thanksgiving dinner. The War on Christmas is a lie.
 
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2012-12-23 12:32:44 PM  
"Here's the bottom line: Where religion is weak, atheism is weak" in its intensity, says Pitzer sociologist Phil Zuckerman. "Where religion is strong, atheism is strong."

This organized Atheism thing is just a reaction to obnoxious bible thumpers.
 
2012-12-23 12:42:47 PM  
I think the real takeaway from this article is that, once again, the heavily-populated areas of this country are the best places to live.
 
2012-12-23 01:02:07 PM  

Vodka Zombie: St_Francis_P: And they must be stopped

Uhm...why?

Because JESUS!!!


You've got to remember the reason for the season.

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2012-12-23 01:11:52 PM  

ToxicMunkee: This year the Christmas season started before most people were done eating their Thanksgiving dinner. The War on Christmas is a lie.


Thanksgiving?

Halloween is starting to feel threatened
 
2012-12-23 01:15:56 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: ToxicMunkee: This year the Christmas season started before most people were done eating their Thanksgiving dinner. The War on Christmas is a lie.

Thanksgiving?

Halloween is starting to feel threatened


Can Decemberween be far behind?
 
2012-12-23 01:34:55 PM  
FTA: What's more, most American nonbelievers are not even atheists

Um, no. Most non-religious Americans might not be atheists, but if you are nonbeliever, you are, by definition, an atheist.
 
2012-12-23 01:36:59 PM  
I'm an atheist, and I have no problem with Christmas.
 
2012-12-23 01:37:42 PM  
They don't really seem pro-atheist as they mostly anti-religion.
 
2012-12-23 01:39:12 PM  
I think Christians will find that there's a war against their superstitious nonsense, and against psychic hooey, flim-flam of all sorts, and fraud.

However, their brand of nonsense is In Charge of Things, and that's what must be stopped. Any time your leaders make decisions hedged by "but there's this sky wizard and he'll make sure everything turns out okay", you have problems when said sky wizard fails to show.
 
2012-12-23 01:40:34 PM  

Bhruic: FTA: What's more, most American nonbelievers are not even atheists

Um, no. Most non-religious Americans might not be atheists, but if you are nonbeliever, you are, by definition, an atheist.


Or agnostic, or non-theist, or Laveyan Satanists even. There are many types of non-believers.
 
2012-12-23 01:40:41 PM  
Enjoy your stay in hades...
 
2012-12-23 01:41:17 PM  
Ahhh, another hate speech thread.
 
2012-12-23 01:41:56 PM  
Can't we all just get along shut the fark up about it already?
 
2012-12-23 01:42:20 PM  

RexTalionis: Hey, Christians. Rampant commercialism destroyed Christmas long before atheists even bothered to care.


Oh, that sounds a terrible bother. Do go on at length at the travails and tribulations of trying to EDUCATE the poor Jesus idiots. *snort* Take away the smirk and the down the nose harrumph and the atheist "movement" looks a lot like a bunch of kids playing "Oh, nuh UH!, *I* am smarter!" As if staunch non-belief in something had some air of inherent intellectual credibility about it. It doesn't. Would that not be be interesting if it did?
 
2012-12-23 01:42:39 PM  

Shazam999: They don't really seem pro-atheist as they mostly anti-religion.


That'd be me. Faith is cool but keep your religion over there.
 
2012-12-23 01:43:01 PM  
All the bible thumpers need to do is to have a miracle occur during prime time viewing hours.
 
2012-12-23 01:43:10 PM  

Theonceovertwice: I'm an atheist, and I have no problem with Christmas.


Agnostic, but this.

The 90% of atheists who act like expressions of other peoples belief is a supernatural force that will harm them make the reasonable 10% look bad.
 
2012-12-23 01:44:12 PM  
Christmas is pretty much a secular holiday anyway.

It celebrates when Santa died on the cross to give you eternal low low doorbuster prices.
 
2012-12-23 01:44:32 PM  

ToxicMunkee: This year the Christmas season started before most people were done eating their Thanksgiving dinner. The War on Christmas is a lie.


That's been every year since I can remember. (See: commercials during sad Detroit Lions football game.) As mentioned above, it started before Halloween this year, at least in central Florida.
 
2012-12-23 01:45:57 PM  
Atheists who try to get all up in peoples' faces about it are just as bad as religious nuts who try to get all up in peoples' faces abut it.
 
2012-12-23 01:47:14 PM  

GAT_00: That argument makes a lot of sense. When you live down here, you really do feel threatened just for being nonreligious and are treated as a threat by supposedly good Christians who hate you.


Nonreligious is all well and good, but what i think a lot of atheists don't realize is that even though they don't have a religion of their own, they exhibit so many of the mannerisms of religion- telling all who will listen of the benefits of atheism, trying to convert people to atheism- that they are effectively treated as a religion. It's the same basic idea as Jon Stewart saying he's not a journalist. Yeah, Jon, you kind of are.

I put up a blog post with further thoughts on the topic a few days ago, using Penn Jillette as my foil.
 
2012-12-23 01:47:27 PM  

Bhruic: FTA: What's more, most American nonbelievers are not even atheists

Um, no. Most non-religious Americans might not be atheists, but if you are nonbeliever, you are, by definition, an atheist.


What if they are agnostic?
 
2012-12-23 01:47:41 PM  

Iron Felix: Atheists who try to get all up in peoples' faces about it are just as bad as religious nuts who try to get all up in peoples' faces abut it.


Weird how people are people, no matter the particular clique they associate with.
 
2012-12-23 01:48:17 PM  
Man, I want Christmas sex. Stupid protestant moral crusaders.
 
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2012-12-23 01:49:39 PM  
The only people who 'must be stopped' are people who don't like the beliefs of others and who think they 'must be stopped' - Atheists are doing what they need to do to be heard and to gain some position in the society. Rather than continuing to let the religious folks define atheists and telling their children that atheists are bad and evil, we're out there befuddling fundamentalists by our existence and by our being normal folks - putting the lie to the hate mongering of religious folks. Like gay marriage and democrats - you all need to just learn to deal with us all not being like you and not hiding in the corner or the closet where you can slander us all with impunity.
 
2012-12-23 01:50:39 PM  
It's actually a war on the Christina religion piggybacking the various winter solstice traditions. It was Saturnalia and Yule and all that long before the god botherers came around.

My personal war is against dis-information and its negative effects. All religions are disinformation, and their adherents to believe untrue myths. This is their absolute right in their private spaces and churches, but it impacts us all when they try to insert it into public life.

The billboard in Times Square is a bit unfortunate .... there is some evidence (and no, writings 400 years after the fact are not evidence) that there was a real, historical philosopher called Jesus / Issa, who was in fact crucified by the Romans. Admittedly less than there is for the existence of Paul and some others, and the Jesus in the bible may in fact be a fictional idealized amalgam of Paul and others.

Why can't they all just move into compounds?
 
2012-12-23 01:50:54 PM  
*rtfa*

That phenomena is known as "overcompensation," and I can't say I necessarily disagree with it. You have to push as hard against the wind as the wind pushes against you.
 
2012-12-23 01:51:10 PM  

Gosling: telling all who will listen of the benefits of atheism, trying to convert people to atheism


If that's your criteria for a religion, just about everything is a religion. Every product advertised on your TV is a religion, here's the benefits of the Ford Focus and why you should convert from your stupid Toyota.
 
2012-12-23 01:51:30 PM  
Here's an ironic fact about Christmas -- the man considered the George Washington of Pakistan, Muhammed Ali Jinnah, was born on December 25th, 1876.
 
2012-12-23 01:51:40 PM  

Iron Felix: Atheists who try to get all up in peoples' faces about it are just as bad as religious nuts who try to get all up in peoples' faces abut it.


<img src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/

Oh. Wait. I see. You see. I see you see what you did there.
 
2012-12-23 01:51:56 PM  

RexTalionis: Hey, Christians. Rampant commercialism destroyed Christmas long before atheists even bothered to care.


Done in three.
 
2012-12-23 01:52:01 PM  
Atheism is a Religion.
 
2012-12-23 01:52:20 PM  

BronyMedic: Vodka Zombie: St_Francis_P: And they must be stopped

Uhm...why?

Because JESUS!!!

You've got to remember the reason for the season.
[feyboy.com image 467x256]
Drunken debauched violence-filled sex for everyone.


Actually.... the real reason for the season...
scienceblogs.com
 
2012-12-23 01:52:24 PM  

vpb: "Here's the bottom line: Where religion is weak, atheism is weak" in its intensity, says Pitzer sociologist Phil Zuckerman. "Where religion is strong, atheism is strong."

This organized Atheism thing is just a reaction to obnoxious bible thumpers.


Or, the desire and/or need for an organized religion is independent of actual beliefs and in areas where the culture instils such a social need people will participate in these organizations.
 
2012-12-23 01:52:30 PM  
I just want to point out that some of the most obnoxious christians are the passive aggressive ones who say things like "I'm asking God to give me the heart to forgive someone here who did me wrong..." at social gatherings while looking in one particular person's direction.
 
2012-12-23 01:52:39 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Ahhh, another hate speech thread.


Poor Christianity!
 
2012-12-23 01:53:22 PM  

ParaHandy: My personal war is against dis-information and its negative effects. All religions are disinformation, and their adherents to believe untrue myths. This is their absolute right in their private spaces and churches, but it impacts us all when they try to insert it into public life.


So yeah, see, it's okay for you act the way you do, but heaven forbid someone acts they way you don't want them to. And forget letting people make judgements on their own - you need to protect them from what is obviously false, to you - because there's no way they're as smart as you, and therefore can't make the same judgement.
 
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