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(Oxford University)   From the 'research that would've been good before people voted on it' file, THC levels in marijuana do nothing to actually reduce pain. So put that in your pipe   (ox.ac.uk) divider line 217
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2012-12-24 12:40:35 AM
But THC will make you stupid enough you don't notice
 
2012-12-24 02:14:51 AM
Not new news. I stated this a couple threads back. In my various experiences in health care, marijuana has not helped the majority of people who have admitted they tried it for pain (mainly neurological pain such as that related to physical injury and multiple sclerosis).

It does seem to help people with what are politely called "conversion disorders" (mental disorder converted into physical pain) and non-specific unprovable possibly non-existent somatoform disorders like fibromyalgia, because of the placebo effect and anti-anxiety effect. Of course, a round of antidepressants, some cognitive behavioural therapy, and a bit of "alternative" therapy (i.e. give the patient some warm fuzzies) generally work just as well in these kinds of pain conditions so that's not high praise for marijuana.

And once again, stoners stop impeding the progress of medical marijuana by trying to piggyback your drug habit onto it. Just stand loud and proud and say "I like to get farked up, my drug of choice is marijuana, and I want it to be legal". Stop pretending you give a damn about the sick people you're using as a shield. You are damaging their cause.

/Fibromyalgia is doctor speak for "farked if I know, give her some drugs and get her out of my office before I slap the whiny coont"
 
2012-12-24 02:27:33 AM

if_i_really_have_to: a round of antidepressants, some cognitive behavioural therapy, and a bit of "alternative" therapy (i.e. give the patient some warm fuzzies) generally work just as well


And costs ten times as much.

Cannabis has improved the quality of my life.  That makes it good medicine.
 
2012-12-24 05:20:13 AM
Wait, what's this? I... i never imagined the ramifications of this earth shattering study. You mean to tell me... that... that drugs affect people differently? Witchcraft.  Balderdash. Shenigans. I think even a little Tomfooerly is lumped in there
 
drp
2012-12-24 08:48:55 AM

EVERYBODY PANIC: I am a 55 year old diabetic with all the complications which that means. I did exactly what I stated and have had the exact results I claimed. I have no incentive to lie to you or anybody else. But I do appreciate being called a kid, so thanks for that. Sorry I'm so late to reply, but I had to work today.


My apologies. There must be some corollary to Poe's Law along the lines of

"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of snake-oil-quackery that someone won't mistake for the real thing."

I suppose I should've figured that there really are people out there who think eating superfine homeopathic dirt actually cures their ills. But I'm glad your placebo makes you feel better.

/ disappointed that you weren't really trolling :-)
 
2012-12-24 11:11:03 AM

drp: EVERYBODY PANIC: I am a 55 year old diabetic with all the complications which that means. I did exactly what I stated and have had the exact results I claimed. I have no incentive to lie to you or anybody else. But I do appreciate being called a kid, so thanks for that. Sorry I'm so late to reply, but I had to work today.

My apologies. There must be some corollary to Poe's Law along the lines of

"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of snake-oil-quackery that someone won't mistake for the real thing."

I suppose I should've figured that there really are people out there who think eating superfine homeopathic dirt actually cures their ills. But I'm glad your placebo makes you feel better.

/ disappointed that you weren't really trolling :-)


Don't knock the placebo effect.
'Tis a wonderous thing when used correctly.
 
2012-12-24 11:12:48 AM

Clemkadidlefark: But THC will make you stupid enough you don't notice


Just another unsubstantiated derp.
Maybe an opinion from the uneducated, can't tell.

/are you experienced???
 
2012-12-24 11:22:28 AM
"Medical" marijuana is a mockery of medicine. It isn't. If the people would be sincere and just say legalize it, I would have more respect for their nonsense. And be high. But sure, some things seem less irritating high,or drunk or tripping balls. But there isn't any medicinal value. Just legalize the stuff and be done with this farce.
 
2012-12-24 11:50:26 AM

Proteios1: "Medical" marijuana is a mockery of medicine. It isn't. If the people would be sincere and just say legalize it, I would have more respect for their nonsense. And be high. But sure, some things seem less irritating high,or drunk or tripping balls. But there isn't any medicinal value. Just legalize the stuff and be done with this farce.


Granted a lot of Hippies claim it's a cure-all and some use it as a platform for complete legalization. However, you can't deny it's efficacy for cancer, glaucoma, and severe pain management.

You know what they give people for severe pain management? Oxycotin, which is far more addictive than pot yet is completely legal.

I work at a Mental Heath and Addictions Hospital and our methadone clinics are not full of Heroin Addicts, it's Oxycotin and similar medication addicts.

My Aunt had a 50lbs box fall on her head, resulting in horrible injuries and lots of surgeries. The doctors gave her Oxycotin to cope with the horrible pain, now she's addicted and has to go through methadone treatment. But it's legal!

Pot can be addicting, no doubts about it, but to the severity of legal Oxycotin and similar drugs.
 
2012-12-24 12:07:38 PM

shortymac: Proteios1: "Medical" marijuana is a mockery of medicine. It isn't. If the people would be sincere and just say legalize it, I would have more respect for their nonsense. And be high. But sure, some things seem less irritating high,or drunk or tripping balls. But there isn't any medicinal value. Just legalize the stuff and be done with this farce.

Granted a lot of Hippies claim it's a cure-all and some use it as a platform for complete legalization. However, you can't deny it's efficacy for cancer, glaucoma, and severe pain management.

You know what they give people for severe pain management? Oxycotin, which is far more addictive than pot yet is completely legal.

I work at a Mental Heath and Addictions Hospital and our methadone clinics are not full of Heroin Addicts, it's Oxycotin and similar medication addicts.

My Aunt had a 50lbs box fall on her head, resulting in horrible injuries and lots of surgeries. The doctors gave her Oxycotin to cope with the horrible pain, now she's addicted and has to go through methadone treatment. But it's legal!

Pot can be addicting, no doubts about it, but to the severity of legal Oxycotin and similar drugs.



Backin the day, we used antihistamines in conjunction with the opiates to potnentiate(magnify) the pain relief, lower dosage and lengthen time a patient could use opiates before heavy addiction set in.
Now, not so much. Go figure. If I was a paranoid type, I could make a case or two.
Using Canibinoids to potentiate opioids is sorta a no brainer unless you have a good financial, sociopathic reason not to.
 
2012-12-24 12:44:13 PM

insano: Macular Degenerate: Before a scan, participants were given either a 15mg tablet of THC or a placebo. THC, or delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, is the active psychotropic compound in cannabis - the ingredient that's responsible for the high that drives recreational use of the drug.

"Hey, let's run a study with neurocannabinoids and act surprised when they don't work like Tylenol!"

What these "scientists" might look like:

[www.x929.ca image 600x450]

"The researchers found that an oral tablet of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, tended to make the experience of pain more bearable, rather than actually reduce the intensity of the pain"

Look, I can quote directly from the article too, except that my quote summarizes the main point of the article. See how that's done? You, on the other hand, wildly misinterpret the article and research and obviously have a ridiculous notion of what average pot users look like. You sound old... or high. Are you high?


No, that poster is just stupid. It's endocannabinoids, not neurocannabinoids, for starters.

What a real stoner scientist might look like:

i.imgur.com

/keeping this population fed one advance at a time
//smoke every day to relieve the chronic pain caused by having large parts of the skeleton outright replaced
 
2012-12-24 01:43:13 PM

shortymac: Proteios1: "Medical" marijuana is a mockery of medicine. It isn't. If the people would be sincere and just say legalize it, I would have more respect for their nonsense. And be high. But sure, some things seem less irritating high,or drunk or tripping balls. But there isn't any medicinal value. Just legalize the stuff and be done with this farce.

Granted a lot of Hippies claim it's a cure-all and some use it as a platform for complete legalization. However, you can't deny it's efficacy for cancer, glaucoma, and severe pain management.

You know what they give people for severe pain management? Oxycotin, which is far more addictive than pot yet is completely legal.

I work at a Mental Heath and Addictions Hospital and our methadone clinics are not full of Heroin Addicts, it's Oxycotin and similar medication addicts.

My Aunt had a 50lbs box fall on her head, resulting in horrible injuries and lots of surgeries. The doctors gave her Oxycotin to cope with the horrible pain, now she's addicted and has to go through methadone treatment. But it's legal!

Pot can be addicting, no doubts about it, but to the severity of legal Oxycotin and similar drugs.


i think u mean OxyContin

why u gotta mispell things biatch
 
2012-12-25 05:36:05 AM

maelstrom0370: doglover: Jake Havechek: Ibupofrin will stop or blunt most pain,

Well, somebody's never felt real pain in his life. You might be lucky and just have deadened nerves or high tolerance. Or, and I hope you're sitting, you just haven't felt pain yet. I really hope either way you die old and happy without ever feeling something ibuprofen couldn't help.

Broke my leg in two places a few years ago (tib/fib fracture). After getting a metal rod put in, I went through 3 different prescription pain meds (Vicodin, Demoral and Tylenol 3) trying to find something that actually worked. Even tried a little Oxy but that just made me not care that it hurt. Found that plain ol' Motrin (OTC dosage) did more for my pain than any of those.


Kinda different from my experience. After tearing my meniscus and the subsequent stint on percoset. I found that in the times when my knee was giving me trouble(making it hard to walk) a few Vicodin really took away the pain and let me continue to work.
OTC beside Alieve really do nothing for me and from a financial standpoint it's cheaper for me to get scripts than OTC meds.
 
2012-12-25 08:49:26 AM
Which i exactly why we have and regularly a multitude of slightly different drugs. Everybody reacts in a different way to different drugs. My grandmother recently had major health issues and she spent far longer in the hospital with them playing around with the drugs and proportions so that they wouldn't kill her (all just trial and error) than she spent being treated.
 
2012-12-25 09:38:24 AM

firefly212: Hi, as an MS patient, I feel better qualified to speak to this subject... ask whatever questions you have about the relationship between mj and MS...


No thanks, I had friends who smoked a lot of dope when they were 14 and I heard all the arguments for legalization and I worked for the NMSS for a number of years and had to read most of the medical research about pot and MS to write articles. If it works for you, great, but pot is up there with the procarin patch and noni juice in terms of causes carried by quack self-medication theories by people afraid of BIG PHARMA.
 
2012-12-25 10:12:05 AM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: firefly212: Hi, as an MS patient, I feel better qualified to speak to this subject... ask whatever questions you have about the relationship between mj and MS...

No thanks, I had friends who smoked a lot of dope when they were 14 and I heard all the arguments for legalization and I worked for the NMSS for a number of years and had to read most of the medical research about pot and MS to write articles. If it works for you, great, but pot is up there with the procarin patch and noni juice in terms of causes carried by quack self-medication theories by people afraid of BIG PHARMA.


Wow, this thread is still alive? Impressive.

Hope firefly212 is doing well. Hope whatever works for him remains available. On the other side of the coin, I greatly respect medical researchers, even the ones who dismiss alternative therapies. Progress is cumulative, and everybody pushes us forward towards a better understanding of health. Not only the insiders; not only the outsiders.
 
2012-12-26 06:58:37 PM

dywed88: Which i exactly why we have and regularly a multitude of slightly different drugs. Everybody reacts in a different way to different drugs. My grandmother recently had major health issues and she spent far longer in the hospital with them playing around with the drugs and proportions so that they wouldn't kill her (all just trial and error) than she spent being treated.


I have a grandchild I don't know about yet?

Son?
 
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