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(Oxford University)   From the 'research that would've been good before people voted on it' file, THC levels in marijuana do nothing to actually reduce pain. So put that in your pipe   (ox.ac.uk ) divider line
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2012-12-23 12:20:28 PM  

St_Francis_P: I came in here to note that the headline does not accurately portray the contents of the linked article. What has Fark come to, I must ask?


Careful, now. Poor subby has a very difficult time understanding any kind of moderately advanced concept. We must not hurt subby's feelings.
 
2012-12-23 12:29:17 PM  

puffy999: In a world of intellectuals,


Dafuq? You stoned this early?
 
2012-12-23 12:33:34 PM  

lewismarktwo: Ctrl+F "CBD" = 0 results

That's some fine sciencin' there Lou.


To be fair, the scientists were studying one variable's effects. That's a good scientific method, especially when it comes to drug effects and human bodies which have countless uncontrollable variables.

The problem here is shiatty science journalism, which is sadly par for the course with science journalists.
 
2012-12-23 12:35:37 PM  
According to Subby : From the 'research that would've been good before people voted on it' file, THC levels in marijuana do nothing to actually reduce pain. So put that in your pipe

The first line in TFA say s "The pain relief offered by cannabis varies greatly between individuals"

These two things are not the same.
 
2012-12-23 12:38:08 PM  
I can't speak for the anti-pain aspects of the plant, but I do know that it relieves a TON of stress when I use it, making it easier for me to make more thoughtful and rational decisions on a regular basis. I also sleep better once I come down.

So yeah, I'll take cannabis over beer or pills any day.
 
2012-12-23 12:47:03 PM  

torusXL:
The problem here is shiatty science journalism, which is sadly par for the course with science journalists.


I consider myself a true expert in two fields - IT and computing, and cars. Whenever I read a mainstream media article on either, there is typically a fact error or misleading statement every 1-2 paragraphs. They also often badly abuse statistics to support their narrative. I can only assume the same holds for any other field they report on other than their own.

The goal of this article is to get people to make the mistaken conclusion that because one of the 400 ingredients in cannabis isn't a painkiller, medical cannabis has no benefits whatsoever. And they will. It's about as scientific as those "coffee / red wine / lard / etc. is good for you" articles.
 
2012-12-23 12:48:25 PM  

ParaHandy: Fluid: The researchers found that an oral tablet of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, tended to make the experience of pain more bearable, rather than actually reduce the intensity of the pain.

That DOESN'T count as pain relief?

This is how opiates work. They reduce suffering, not pain. Pain is irrelevant if there is no suffering.

The 500mg of Tylenol in your vicodin is an anti-inflammatory to reduce swelling and pain, the 5-10 mg of hydrocodone makes you happy enough not to care about the remainder.

The brain also makes its own cannabinoids.


Fascinating recent research actually indicates that Tylenol may work by the same mechanism that CBD receptors work to reduce pain.
 
2012-12-23 12:56:51 PM  

ParaHandy: The goal of this article is to get people to make the mistaken conclusion that because one of the 400 ingredients in cannabis isn't a painkiller, medical cannabis has no benefits whatsoever. And they will. It's about as scientific as those "coffee / red wine / lard / etc. is good for you" articles.


Good point, so with this article we're dealing with propaganda and/or someone's private agenda?

orbister: Alonjar: Cannabinoids most definitely have analgesic properties...

In which case I am sure you can give us some peer-reviewed research from an institution as reputable as Oxford to back up the claim.


*ahem*
Take a look at the link in my recent post, Sherlock.
 
2012-12-23 01:09:44 PM  
Also noted:


Marijuana does not make boring things more fun. It makes boring this more bearable.
 
2012-12-23 01:11:55 PM  

Herr Docktor Heinrich Wisenheimer: Fell In Love With a Chair: Steve Zodiac: Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis

How DARE you use verifiable facts in an argument!

BURN THE WITCH!!!

SMOKE HER!


Does anyone happen to have a duck?
 
2012-12-23 01:16:08 PM  

dywed88: EbolaNYC: As someone who has used it in a couple cases where I had a painful injury and couldn't get to the doctor for a day or two for something stronger than aleve, I call bullshiat.

That doesn't contradict the study. They are saying the pain is still there, you just don't feel it as much. From a medical perspective, it doesn't reduce the pain. From a users perspective it does. From what I understand, the signals are all being sent and received in the brain to tell you to feel pain, but other parts of your brain just go "who cares" and ignore it.

Of course, as with all drugs, your mileage may vary as the exact impact of drugs are not constant though all people.


One active cannibinoid out of the hundred some things in marijuana, and still the most definitive thing they could say about it is that it will only work for some people, not all people. Given the relatively limited health risks, and the abundance of larger sample sized studies indicating the efficacy of the drug, combined with the analysis of the AAN and AMA, it's high time the government stop pretending that marijuana has no legitimate medical use. As an MS patient, and someone whose neurologist graduated third in his class from Johns Hopkins, between the personal use and the data, I'm pretty confident that I know more about what marijuana does than the Senate or Congress.
 
2012-12-23 01:26:07 PM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
[imageshack.us image 640x480]


Art thou trolling? Or...
 
2012-12-23 01:27:10 PM  

gangrel_pri: I will say that after being diagnosed as diabetic back in 2006, I've had to avoid any exposure to the stuff. It makes my BGL drop through the floor and vomit off balconies.

However, not my place to tell people they can't use it if it works better for them.

/I still laugh at the idea of MJ being anti-nausea though. Most of my old neighborhood would beg to differ.


i.qkme.me
 
2012-12-23 01:27:51 PM  

Herr Docktor Heinrich Wisenheimer: Fell In Love With a Chair: Steve Zodiac: Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis

How DARE you use verifiable facts in an argument!

BURN THE WITCH!!!

SMOKE HER!


oi39.tinypic.com
SMOKE YOU!
 
2012-12-23 01:35:51 PM  

rocketpants: EVERYBODY PANIC: For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
[imageshack.us image 640x480]

You're eating tiny shards of glass.  This causes pain relief?  No.  That's quackery.  Stop being a sucker.



It's a generic version of Obecalp.
 
2012-12-23 01:54:27 PM  
If we ban weed and guns society will be perfect. If we save one life, just one life, it will be worth it.
 
2012-12-23 02:06:40 PM  
what your telling me cannabis is not kratom/opioid like?? isn't that a GREAT THING???
 
2012-12-23 02:14:09 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.


Helps cancer and AIDS patients with their appetites too.
 
2012-12-23 02:17:41 PM  
And the purpose of alcohol is?
 
2012-12-23 02:27:11 PM  

Maul555: gangrel_pri: I will say that after being diagnosed as diabetic back in 2006, I've had to avoid any exposure to the stuff. It makes my BGL drop through the floor and vomit off balconies.

However, not my place to tell people they can't use it if it works better for them.

/I still laugh at the idea of MJ being anti-nausea though. Most of my old neighborhood would beg to differ.

[i.qkme.me image 604x453]


Aside from most people drinking in conjunction with weed (and thereby getting skewed experience), it is possible to swallow smoke when using a blunt or a bong or the like and it can cause you to upchuck the boogie. This usually only happens when you are trying to get as much smoke in as possible to avoid looking like a lightweight or because you're greedy.
 
2012-12-23 02:30:19 PM  
Marijuana should be legal because we are adults who have the right to use naturally occurring plants in any way we see fit. fark your bullshiat studies. It's going to be legal. Get over it you fascist farks.
 
2012-12-23 02:42:18 PM  

lewismarktwo: Maul555: gangrel_pri: I will say that after being diagnosed as diabetic back in 2006, I've had to avoid any exposure to the stuff. It makes my BGL drop through the floor and vomit off balconies.

However, not my place to tell people they can't use it if it works better for them.

/I still laugh at the idea of MJ being anti-nausea though. Most of my old neighborhood would beg to differ.

[i.qkme.me image 604x453]

Aside from most people drinking in conjunction with weed (and thereby getting skewed experience), it is possible to swallow smoke when using a blunt or a bong or the like and it can cause you to upchuck the boogie. This usually only happens when you are trying to get as much smoke in as possible to avoid looking like a lightweight or because you're greedy.



"Skewed experience" = getting droned. Haven't done that since college.

The worst part of swallowing smoke isn't the risk of puking, it's the risk of belching up a big fragrant cloud at a socially inappropriate moment.
 
drp
2012-12-23 02:55:38 PM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
[imageshack.us image 640x480]


Pay attention kids, this is how you troll.

/ kids got no subtlety these days
 
2012-12-23 02:57:33 PM  
I don't give a fark what you assholes think, or what the nation or the world thinks. I smoke weed because I LIKE TO AND IT FEELS GOOD. I LIKE DRUGS. fark all of you, fark whether or not it becomes legal or NOT. I don't need your support or your farking lame ass blessing.

I've held a very good job full time for over 15 years, and I've smoked almost that entire time. I'm a fully responsible, tax paying citizen that stays out of trouble. And by the looks of the mockery a lot of you are displaying regarding Marijuana, you have NO farking idea what it's about. You little entitled shiats, are brainwashed in to thinking Marijuana makes you stupid, or lazy.

My father smoked a lot more than I do, he held an amazing job for 30 years, raised an entire family and retired with a beautiful pension. fark all of you, you've lived most of your pathetic short lives THROUGH the Internet, you have no farking clue what real life is, you just know what you read that some other asshole 21 year old wrote on the Internet.
 
2012-12-23 03:00:58 PM  

St_Francis_P: I came in here to note that the headline does not accurately portray the contents of the linked article. What has Fark come to, I must ask?


maybe fark is one of the many websites and media outlets that get $$ from the Big Booze industry to denigrate marijuana at every opportunity?
 
2012-12-23 03:04:02 PM  

EyeHateOnlineIdiots: St_Francis_P: I came in here to note that the headline does not accurately portray the contents of the linked article. What has Fark come to, I must ask?

maybe fark is one of the many websites and media outlets that get $$ from the Big Booze industry to denigrate marijuana at every opportunity?


Maybe, although a simpler explanation is they like troll threads for the web hits.
 
2012-12-23 03:05:55 PM  

Fluid: The researchers found that an oral tablet of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, tended to make the experience of pain more bearable, rather than actually reduce the intensity of the pain.

That DOESN'T count as pain relief?


I guess if you come at it from that angle, its wrong...
 
2012-12-23 03:18:16 PM  
Read the article, people. It is about isolated THC in pill form, and claims that it makes pain "more bearable". So, it is still useful for pain management, for some people.
 
2012-12-23 03:47:22 PM  
Even if it had no medicinal effects at all, something should not be illegal just because it makes people happy.
 
2012-12-23 04:27:03 PM  
It may not deal directly with the pain, but it sure as hell makes you care less about the pain, which is almost as good.
 
2012-12-23 04:33:43 PM  

torusXL: Good point, so with this article we're dealing with propaganda and/or someone's private agenda?


Or maybe with reputable scientific research which you think doesn't match your preconceptions?
 
2012-12-23 04:36:12 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis


For those of us who have Hodgkins Lymphoma, stage 4 (AKA terminally ill), well, we would like to have a discussion with those researchers who don't deal with throwing up every single farking thing you eat...chemo or no.

/thank you for playing.
//please don't come back.
 
2012-12-23 05:06:51 PM  

St_Francis_P: I came in here to note that the headline does not accurately portray the contents of the linked article. What has Fark come to, I must ask?


This isn't a humor site anymore. It is a troll site.
 
2012-12-23 05:16:31 PM  
Cannabis is, in fact, wonderfully effective in killing muscle aches.

/ymmv
 
2012-12-23 05:53:44 PM  

ParaHandy: radiumsoup: ThrobblefootSpectre: Rueened: /can we start jailing the losers now?

Why? Unless they kill someone in a car accident, there's no point. It just costs tax money. Let them have their fix, like alcoholics. Ignore them.

I agree. Same goes for guns.

/just making sure we're being consistent here on discussing the merits of liberty

When was the last time a stoner killed 20-odd children with weed? The fact that machine guns[1] are legal and weed is not is ridiculous.

[1] in the common vernacular of every country but the US, an AR-15 is a machine gun. So is an AK-47. The NRA can fark off.


It's impressive how proud you are about being absolutely wrong about something because of some vague idea you assume you share with a bunch of other people.
 
2012-12-23 06:07:15 PM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
[imageshack.us image 640x480]


I got constipated from eating it. Snorting worked way better for me.
 
2012-12-23 06:12:00 PM  

firefly212: dywed88: EbolaNYC: As someone who has used it in a couple cases where I had a painful injury and couldn't get to the doctor for a day or two for something stronger than aleve, I call bullshiat.

That doesn't contradict the study. They are saying the pain is still there, you just don't feel it as much. From a medical perspective, it doesn't reduce the pain. From a users perspective it does. From what I understand, the signals are all being sent and received in the brain to tell you to feel pain, but other parts of your brain just go "who cares" and ignore it.

Of course, as with all drugs, your mileage may vary as the exact impact of drugs are not constant though all people.

One active cannibinoid out of the hundred some things in marijuana, and still the most definitive thing they could say about it is that it will only work for some people, not all people. Given the relatively limited health risks, and the abundance of larger sample sized studies indicating the efficacy of the drug, combined with the analysis of the AAN and AMA, it's high time the government stop pretending that marijuana has no legitimate medical use. As an MS patient, and someone whose neurologist graduated third in his class from Johns Hopkins, between the personal use and the data, I'm pretty confident that I know more about what marijuana does than the Senate or Congress.


I am not defending the article, it is misleading as hell. But the research they cited is probably accurate. It is just presented in such a way as to imply something more (i.e. medical marijuana doesn't work) which is definitely wrong. They did mention the limitations of the study, at least, which is better than a great many articles.
 
2012-12-23 06:26:09 PM  

Macular Degenerate: Before a scan, participants were given either a 15mg tablet of THC or a placebo. THC, or delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, is the active psychotropic compound in cannabis - the ingredient that's responsible for the high that drives recreational use of the drug.

"Hey, let's run a study with neurocannabinoids and act surprised when they don't work like Tylenol!"

What these "scientists" might look like:


Um ime it is always tge potheads saying pot is the sum of its parts. The anti pot crowd is the one saying "just use thc pills durr hur"
 
2012-12-23 07:19:04 PM  

Melvin Lovecraft: The Irresponsible Captain: EVERYBODY PANIC: For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
[imageshack.us image 640x480]

I put that stuff around the house to kill bugs because it doesn't hurt pets. I'm a bit skeptical on health claims.

It's food grade. It's in some food products you buy. It also kills fleas and is non-chemical; completely natural.


Hello Melvin. I just tossed that in to a discussion on pain remediation, expecting the other responses. Didn't bother to reply to them, as they are simply uneducated on this stuff. Shocked only that anybody understood what it is and does. Plus one for you.

FOOD GRADE DE is not made of "little shards of glass", but of tubular shaped microscopic skeletons of diatoms from fresh water sources. Don't want to go into the long story, but I am today healthier than at age 25 (now 55) and have more energy and - am totally pain free. Being diabetic, I was facing the inevitable gangrene toes and resulting amputation, but now my arteries are scraped clean and my feet are warm again. I'm a new man, simple as that, and nothing the doctors ever offered was going to save my feet or improve my condition.

Non-food grade stuff is indeed bad stuff, but food grade DE is awesome. And since it is already in the food supply, those commenters above have been eating bits of it their whole lives. The more you know...
 
2012-12-23 07:22:23 PM  

Burke Turkey: EVERYBODY PANIC: For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
[imageshack.us image 640x480]

Art thou trolling? Or...


The stuff saved my life. Pain remediation aside, I'm a diabetic who already had two heart attacks and faced certain amputation of the feet due to diabetic circulatory nighmares. Now pain free with perfect circulation. Not trolling. Now strolling! Fully intend to go do the Appalachian Trail for my 60th birthday.
 
2012-12-23 07:23:05 PM  

Jarhead_h: "Fom the 'research that would've been good before people voted on it' file, THC levels in marijuana do nothing to actually reduce pain. So put that in your pipe"

Which is obviously why those on mj can still function as a normal person and those on the heavy meds are brain dead zombies that might as wll be dead anyway. Got it, thanks.


I wonder if some other ingredient in marijuana is working to suppress pain. In any case I think marijuana should be legalized for all.
 
2012-12-23 07:26:05 PM  

drp: EVERYBODY PANIC: For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
[imageshack.us image 640x480]

Pay attention kids, this is how you troll.

/ kids got no subtlety these days


I am a 55 year old diabetic with all the complications which that means. I did exactly what I stated and have had the exact results I claimed. I have no incentive to lie to you or anybody else. But I do appreciate being called a kid, so thanks for that. Sorry I'm so late to reply, but I had to work today.
 
2012-12-23 08:05:12 PM  

orbister: torusXL: Good point, so with this article we're dealing with propaganda and/or someone's private agenda?

Or maybe with reputable scientific research which you think doesn't match your preconceptions?


If you'd bothered to pull your head out of your ass and read all I said, you'd see that I'm referring to the journalist, not the scientists.
 
2012-12-23 08:14:51 PM  
I thought they measured how well a pain reliever worked by how long it took a mouse to jump off a heated plate.

Now it matters if they jump off because of the pain level or because they don't mind the pain as much?
 
2012-12-23 08:15:44 PM  

SwiftFox: I thought they measured how well a pain reliever worked by how long it took a mouse to jump off a heated plate.

Now it matters if they jump off because of the pain level or because they don't mind the pain as much?


i think in either case, your better off with aspirin, something that doesn't effect your CNS
 
2012-12-23 09:29:51 PM  
I wish it was legal in my state but Hell will freeze over before my state does that.

It would be nice to be able to lessen my migraines without taking medication that knocks me out for 6+ hours.
 
2012-12-23 09:56:24 PM  

jjwars1: Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis

It also helps with migraines. I guess those aren't considered painful though.


I find a smoke helps with migraines, but I associate the feeling with cannabinol not THC. Basically the stuff that makes you sleepy not the stuff that makes you trip. I think it may be a secondary effect of something else - like changing cerebral blood flow.
 
2012-12-23 10:37:37 PM  
When you're high, you don't notice things as much, pain included. Doesn't matter if the pain is actually reduced; net effect is one of perceived pain relief.
 
2012-12-23 11:35:27 PM  
Can we bring back alcohol prohibition please? All alcohol use leads to violent drunks beating their wives, abusing their children and fighting in the streets like Irish immigrants.

What do stupid, belligerent, violent drunks do for our society? Bunch of wife beating, child raping, jobless farks. Beer = fear. The fear your wife feels knowing your worthless alcoholic ass is going to beat her again.
 
2012-12-23 11:46:08 PM  

Ow My Balls: I tried pot for the first time when I was 35 and maybe partake 3 or 4 times a year socially. I love it. It beats the hell out of getting drunk in many ways. Meanwhile, I carry on with my life responsibly as if nothing happened...which is essentially true.

What my better-late-than never foray into marijuana has done, more than anything, is open my eyes fully to the degree at which people in power lie about it for ulterior motives. Furthermore, I don't need to see these sorts of studies. Legalize it for recreational use. Now. Lots of things that are less than 100% healthy for you are legal to freely use...for good reason.

Can anyone tell me a good reason why it's necessary to ruin a marijuana user's life through illegality?


Perfectly rational. The question is, can you get their leader to say it. Because that's what it will take. Once something has been labeled in the same category with other more destructive drugs it takes a great deal of potential to move that preconception once you've established it. Short of forcing everyone to a point of rationality the same way you came to yours I think we need some people in higher leadership positions to give those that trust them a reason to reconsider, publicly.

It is so obviously wrong, and yet we continue.
 
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