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(Oxford University)   From the 'research that would've been good before people voted on it' file, THC levels in marijuana do nothing to actually reduce pain. So put that in your pipe   (ox.ac.uk ) divider line
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2012-12-23 09:59:03 AM  

unamused: I'll put this study on my bookshelf next to the "Abortion Causes Breast Cancer" study.
That's in the Talibornagain Bullshiat category.


Agreed.
 
2012-12-23 09:59:09 AM  

Rueened: So it's useless then? Not really surprising.

/can we start jailing the losers now?


Yes; we need to build as many jails as necessary, and spare no expense to stamp out this scourge. People don't realize that stoner kids are the least of our problems; I worry about the crazed jazz musicians attacking our white women.
 
2012-12-23 09:59:16 AM  
So pot-heads feel the same pain but they just don't care about it, man.
 
2012-12-23 10:00:27 AM  

Rueened: So it's useless then? Not really surprising.


You didn't read the article, did you?

/can we start jailing the losers now?

Sure, along with who else? Perhaps the poor and the gays? Let us know who else you'd like to add to your pogrom against people who you don't like.
 
2012-12-23 10:01:17 AM  

Herr Docktor Heinrich Wisenheimer: Fell In Love With a Chair: Steve Zodiac: Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis

How DARE you use verifiable facts in an argument!

BURN THE WITCH!!!

SMOKE HER!


Boy, that escalated quickly...
 
2012-12-23 10:01:26 AM  

Rueened: So it's useless then? Not really surprising.


You know how I know you didn't read the first paragraph?
 
2012-12-23 10:01:26 AM  

gangrel_pri: I will say that after being diagnosed as diabetic back in 2006, I've had to avoid any exposure to the stuff. It makes my BGL drop through the floor and vomit off balconies.

However, not my place to tell people they can't use it if it works better for them.

/I still laugh at the idea of MJ being anti-nausea though. Most of my old neighborhood would beg to differ.


Yeah well when it's laced with PCP it looses some of those properties
 
2012-12-23 10:01:52 AM  

FormlessOne: I can tell you (with my doctor's blessing) that ibuprofen doesn't do a damned thing for pain - it's an anti-inflammatory, not an analgesic.It's an NSAID that relieves symptoms which can cause pain, but it doesn't deal with pain itself. And, as an NSAID, ibuprofen also has its problems when it comes to chronic use.


Ibuprofen very effectively suppresses the production of prostaglandins - chemicals that tell nerves to transmit pain. Yes, it doesn't act in the brain like opiates, but saying it does nothing for pain is silly and false.

/and get a new doctor
 
2012-12-23 10:02:44 AM  

doglover: Jake Havechek: Ibupofrin will stop or blunt most pain,

Well, somebody's never felt real pain in his life. You might be lucky and just have deadened nerves or high tolerance. Or, and I hope you're sitting, you just haven't felt pain yet. I really hope either way you die old and happy without ever feeling something ibuprofen couldn't help.


I converted to Necromonger a few years ago, I should have mentioned that.
 
2012-12-23 10:03:10 AM  
Cannabinoids most definitely have analgesic properties.... and not just THC, the synthetic ones too.

Study is either biased or flawed.
 
2012-12-23 10:04:03 AM  
Here, instead, take two oxy's and don't wake up in the morning.
 
2012-12-23 10:04:48 AM  
As someone who has used it in a couple cases where I had a painful injury and couldn't get to the doctor for a day or two for something stronger than aleve, I call bullshiat.
 
2012-12-23 10:05:08 AM  
Inaccurate headline is inaccurate.
 
2012-12-23 10:06:36 AM  
For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
imageshack.us
 
2012-12-23 10:07:02 AM  
from the article

He adds: 'Our small-scale study, in a controlled setting, involved 12 healthy men and only one of many compounds that can be derived from cannabis. That's quite different from doing a study with patients.

garbage research is garbage
 
2012-12-23 10:09:24 AM  
This is news only to people are willfully ignorant of how pot affects the brain; there are studies from 20 years ago that cover this.
 
2012-12-23 10:09:24 AM  
As a long time user, I've found that it doesn't really reduce pain as much as it permits one to be easily distracted from it.

/smoke responsibly, 21 and over
 
2012-12-23 10:09:29 AM  

OldTXwmn: from the article

He adds: 'Our small-scale study, in a controlled setting, involved 12 healthy men and only one of many compounds that can be derived from cannabis. That's quite different from doing a study with patients.

garbage research is garbage


Actually, this is exactly how research is usually done. Very few projects have the budget to create perfect testing conditions.
 
2012-12-23 10:09:59 AM  

gangrel_pri: I will say that after being diagnosed as diabetic back in 2006, I've had to avoid any exposure to the stuff. It makes my BGL drop through the floor and vomit off balconies.

However, not my place to tell people they can't use it if it works better for them.

/I still laugh at the idea of MJ being anti-nausea though. Most of my old neighborhood would beg to differ.


Your old neighborhood probably thought the mold growing on their weed was THC crystals too. Or maybe someone cut it with oregano. It wasn't the weed making them sick.
 
2012-12-23 10:14:09 AM  
I tried pot for the first time when I was 35 and maybe partake 3 or 4 times a year socially. I love it. It beats the hell out of getting drunk in many ways. Meanwhile, I carry on with my life responsibly as if nothing happened...which is essentially true.

What my better-late-than never foray into marijuana has done, more than anything, is open my eyes fully to the degree at which people in power lie about it for ulterior motives. Furthermore, I don't need to see these sorts of studies. Legalize it for recreational use. Now. Lots of things that are less than 100% healthy for you are legal to freely use...for good reason.

Can anyone tell me a good reason why it's necessary to ruin a marijuana user's life through illegality?
 
2012-12-23 10:14:28 AM  

Macular Degenerate: Before a scan, participants were given either a 15mg tablet of THC or a placebo. THC, or delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, is the active psychotropic compound in cannabis - the ingredient that's responsible for the high that drives recreational use of the drug.

"Hey, let's run a study with neurocannabinoids and act surprised when they don't work like Tylenol!"

What these "scientists" might look like:

[www.x929.ca image 600x450]


"The researchers found that an oral tablet of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, tended to make the experience of pain more bearable, rather than actually reduce the intensity of the pain"


Look, I can quote directly from the article too, except that my quote summarizes the main point of the article. See how that's done? You, on the other hand, wildly misinterpret the article and research and obviously have a ridiculous notion of what average pot users look like. You sound old... or high. Are you high?
 
2012-12-23 10:16:38 AM  
Take the herb and the good news is you aren't going to overdose and die, while imagining it doesn't hurt so much.
 
2012-12-23 10:18:19 AM  
Where exactly did this attitude that you have to suffer when you are in serious pain start?

Isn't the point of a painkiller is so that you don't care about it so much while you're on it? If you want to suffer and pay for your sins while you recover that's your problem subby. For the rest of us, we just want to be comfortable.

Oh no, it also feels good and God forbid anyone have the side effect of felling good. Vomiting, bleeding ulcers, spastic colon, brain hemmorage, flatulance, heart attack risk are so much more acceptable side effects.

Fark you puritanical tight asses. Mind your own business.
 
2012-12-23 10:22:05 AM  
FFS... so Much wrong with just the little bit I read of that crap.

The main problem being they used hot chili goop to create the pain. That is a surface pain. When prescribed for muscle/skeletal pain the effects are very different, especially when taken orally. It reduces muscle spasms as well which are extremely painful.

They also used the freaking oral pill pill sh*t and even said right in the article that there are many other elements to cannabis which likely work together.

I'm no hippie and I don't even really like the stuff but this study was garbage and irresponsible considering the authoritarian wargharble surrounding the subject (which subby is trying to capitalize on either seriously or for trolling purposes).

I'm sure this will scooped up by Fox derpf*ckers as PROOF that chronic pain sufferers are just faking it to get stoned and that they should be good little corporate puppets and stick to the highly addictive, liver killing, zombie state inducing, profit making chemical bullsh*t that gets crammed down our throats.

Cram it with walnuts! THE LOT OF YA!
 
2012-12-23 10:23:06 AM  

Alonjar: Cannabinoids most definitely have analgesic properties.... and not just THC, the synthetic ones too.

Study is either biased or flawed.

WHy not both?
 
2012-12-23 10:23:16 AM  
from the first line of the article: The researchers found that an oral tablet of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, tended to make the experience of pain more bearable, rather than actually reduce the intensity of the pain.

for pretty much everybody, "more bearable" and "reduction" in regards to pain are the same thing. im not sure how pain can be more bearable without it being lessened to some degree. the only definition of any kind of relief from pain is 100% related to the experience of pain, i.e. how it feels.

and medicine doesnt know how to quantify the pain relief it provides during crappy movies, 12-yr old gamers raging at you in headsets, family arguments, or inane thread blather. and CBD doesnt help with THAT kind of pain.
 
2012-12-23 10:23:34 AM  
Small scale? That's a micro scale experiement.

As to the implications of the headline: Dear Subby, as you well know, research into Marijuana was proscribed by HA's fine bit of work. We know far, far more about Heroin, a synthetic derivative, than we do about the all natural weed.

If anyone ever wakes up, there's some of us who have decades of smoking experience, but you usually don't know who we are since we have been kept underground so long.
 
2012-12-23 10:24:15 AM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
[imageshack.us image 640x480]


You're eating tiny shards of glass.  This causes pain relief?  No.  That's quackery.  Stop being a sucker.
 
2012-12-23 10:24:36 AM  

Zasteva: Rueened: So it's useless then? Not really surprising.

You didn't read the article, did you?

/can we start jailing the losers now?

Sure, along with who else? Perhaps the poor and the gays? Let us know who else you'd like to add to your pogrom against people who you don't like.


Oh ffs less of the histrionics. Stop projecting your own inadequacies on me.

And why the Fark should I bother reading the article? No-one else here does.
 
2012-12-23 10:26:44 AM  
Having just finished my cancer treatment, I can only comment on my personal experience.

I was prescribed drugs for nausea and pain relief, the list of side effects on these drugs were 2 pages long and these drugs were expensive. I got the prescription filled. The nausea and pain drugs worked fine. I got constipation, skin rashes, heartburn and insomnia from them. When the drugs were gone I decided to buy a half ounce of marijuana and a vaporizer. I used about 1/4 gram twice a day and It completely neutralized the nausea (I could even eat meals!), and although I could tell that I had pain it made the pain manageable. I didn't feel "high". If I vaporized 1/2 to 3/4 of a gram, then I would start to feel euphoric and I would get the urge watch cartoons or sitcoms. It's been a month since my treatment ended and my recovery is far beyond expectations. My Oncologist said it would take about 3 months before I started feeling normal. I feel pretty much feel normal now. Could be the pot or it could be my body chemistry.

I have no problem with recreational use and I feel that it's a crime it is not accepted worldwide for medical use. Its no longer a question of "Is it beneficial?" Now I know the answer.
 
2012-12-23 10:35:09 AM  
Subby: THC levels in marijuana do nothing to actually reduce pain
FTFA The pain relief offered by cannabis varies greatly between individuals, a brain imaging study carried out at the University of Oxford suggests.

But hey, this is Fark. Why should I expect anything else?
 
2012-12-23 10:36:28 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Rueened: /can we start jailing the losers now?

Why? Unless they kill someone in a car accident, there's no point. It just costs tax money. Let them have their fix, like alcoholics. Ignore them.


I agree. Same goes for guns.

/just making sure we're being consistent here on discussing the merits of liberty
 
2012-12-23 10:37:33 AM  

Fluid: The researchers found that an oral tablet of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, tended to make the experience of pain more bearable, rather than actually reduce the intensity of the pain.

That DOESN'T count as pain relief?


That depends on your definition of "relief". It apparently doesn't stop the pain; it just makes you too stoned to notice it. You can get the same relief from a fifth of Jack Daniels.
 
2012-12-23 10:37:38 AM  

Rueened: So it's useless then? Not really surprising.

/can we start jailing the losers now?


lol why u mad tho?
 
2012-12-23 10:37:56 AM  

Fluid: The researchers found that an oral tablet of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, tended to make the experience of pain more bearable, rather than actually reduce the intensity of the pain.

That DOESN'T count as pain relief?


This is how opiates work. They reduce suffering, not pain. Pain is irrelevant if there is no suffering.

The 500mg of Tylenol in your vicodin is an anti-inflammatory to reduce swelling and pain, the 5-10 mg of hydrocodone makes you happy enough not to care about the remainder.

The brain also makes its own cannabinoids.
 
2012-12-23 10:38:23 AM  
This is old news from the last century

Voting for legalizing pot or medicinal pot never really was about the :"medicinal" aspect, nor was it ever about raising tax money.
 
2012-12-23 10:39:04 AM  

radiumsoup: I agree. Same goes for guns.


As long as you aren't using the marijuana and guns at the same time, yes.
 
2012-12-23 10:39:13 AM  

katerbug72: PawisBetlog: From my experience Vicodin doesn't relieve pain either. I remember specifically that I could still feel the pain of the wound, I just didn't CARE about it any longer.

Exactly! I was on morphine after my c section and that shiat worked but when they switched to oxycodone and tylenol the pain wasn't minimized much but I didn't give a shiat.


Nitrous Oxide as well. Having your teeth drilled out still hurts, you just think it's hilarious
 
2012-12-23 10:39:58 AM  

Ow My Balls: I tried pot for the first time when I was 35 and maybe partake 3 or 4 times a year socially. I love it. It beats the hell out of getting drunk in many ways. Meanwhile, I carry on with my life responsibly as if nothing happened...which is essentially true.

What my better-late-than never foray into marijuana has done, more than anything, is open my eyes fully to the degree at which people in power lie about it for ulterior motives. Furthermore, I don't need to see these sorts of studies. Legalize it for recreational use. Now. Lots of things that are less than 100% healthy for you are legal to freely use...for good reason.

Can anyone tell me a good reason why it's necessary to ruin a marijuana user's life through illegality?

Nope...plus it enhances the nuances of music and Jack in the Box tacos....so I am told.
 
2012-12-23 10:40:04 AM  

doglover: Jake Havechek: Ibupofrin will stop or blunt most pain,

Well, somebody's never felt real pain in his life. You might be lucky and just have deadened nerves or high tolerance. Or, and I hope you're sitting, you just haven't felt pain yet. I really hope either way you die old and happy without ever feeling something ibuprofen couldn't help.


Broke my leg in two places a few years ago (tib/fib fracture). After getting a metal rod put in, I went through 3 different prescription pain meds (Vicodin, Demoral and Tylenol 3) trying to find something that actually worked. Even tried a little Oxy but that just made me not care that it hurt. Found that plain ol' Motrin (OTC dosage) did more for my pain than any of those.
 
2012-12-23 10:40:22 AM  

radiumsoup: ThrobblefootSpectre: Rueened: /can we start jailing the losers now?

Why? Unless they kill someone in a car accident, there's no point. It just costs tax money. Let them have their fix, like alcoholics. Ignore them.

I agree. Same goes for guns.

/just making sure we're being consistent here on discussing the merits of liberty


When was the last time a stoner killed 20-odd children with weed? The fact that machine guns[1] are legal and weed is not is ridiculous.

[1] in the common vernacular of every country but the US, an AR-15 is a machine gun. So is an AK-47. The NRA can fark off.
 
2012-12-23 10:40:30 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: This is old news from the last century

Voting for legalizing pot or medicinal pot never really was about the :"medicinal" aspect, nor was it ever about raising tax money.


Pfffft. The FDA gets payoffs from drug companies, their credibility does not exist.
 
2012-12-23 10:41:41 AM  
I just came here to get stoned....ran into a presidential debate or something.
 
2012-12-23 10:43:01 AM  

Steve Zodiac: Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis

How DARE you use verifiable facts in an argument!


Let us know when you find real research to claim these "facts".
 
2012-12-23 10:45:19 AM  
I think I just figured out what this was... a bunch of college students got together and said, "hey, wouldn't it be funny if we could get the school to pay for us getting high?" and asked a buddy in the biochem research department if they could make that happen... and so it did.
 
2012-12-23 10:46:13 AM  

maelstrom0370: doglover: Jake Havechek: Ibupofrin will stop or blunt most pain,

Well, somebody's never felt real pain in his life. You might be lucky and just have deadened nerves or high tolerance. Or, and I hope you're sitting, you just haven't felt pain yet. I really hope either way you die old and happy without ever feeling something ibuprofen couldn't help.

Broke my leg in two places a few years ago (tib/fib fracture). After getting a metal rod put in, I went through 3 different prescription pain meds (Vicodin, Demoral and Tylenol 3) trying to find something that actually worked. Even tried a little Oxy but that just made me not care that it hurt. Found that plain ol' Motrin (OTC dosage) did more for my pain than any of those.


Vicodin, demerol and Tylenol-3 are all basically the same thing - a large amount of paracetamol and a small amount of opiates. Motrin is a different NSAID (ibuprofen) and clearly that worked better for you than the paracetamol.

In the UK Tylenol-3 equivalents are OTC .... however, you can't bulk buy NSAIDs as they are lethal in large doses (kills hundreds of people a year). The US medical laws are about keeping people sober, not healthy. Fark Anslinger, god botherers and everyone else who jacks the system around with their false moralising.
 
2012-12-23 10:49:29 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: This is old news from the last century

Voting for legalizing pot or medicinal pot never really was about the :"medicinal" aspect, nor was it ever about raising tax money.


I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you're probably the derpmeister that posted this considering the completely BS headline.
 
2012-12-23 10:50:48 AM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
[imageshack.us image 640x480]


I know this as something used to kill insects, because the razor sharp bits rip them apart. I am super skeptical about ingesting it.
 
2012-12-23 10:51:13 AM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
[imageshack.us image 640x480]


I put that stuff around the house to kill bugs because it doesn't hurt pets. I'm a bit skeptical on health claims.
 
2012-12-23 10:51:29 AM  
This is a pretty pernicious argument. I've never claimed that marijuana eliminates pain. What it does it make it manageable. While I am not a regular partaker, I can say for certain that when smoking, the pain doesn't completely go away, but instead you aren't consumed by it. Unlike vicodin and a host of other drugs I've been given, though, it doesn't cause chronic opiate addiction, make one completely incapable of doing anything else, or eat your stomach lining alive. So, long story short, while I'm about a once every few years smoker, I think the people who wrote this might miss the point just a tiny bit on why people use it for that.

That aside, I know plenty of people using it for pain management (without a doctor's prescription! Oh noes!) who were previously on drugs that made them completely non-functional. I will take someone using marijuana over oxycontin any day of the week.

/btw, so will most doctors
 
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