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(Oxford University)   From the 'research that would've been good before people voted on it' file, THC levels in marijuana do nothing to actually reduce pain. So put that in your pipe   (ox.ac.uk ) divider line
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2012-12-23 05:45:50 AM  
In a world of intellectuals, this would suggest that marijuana apparently has other active chemicals. Yes, a large part of the benefit is pain tolerance, but apparently there's more in the plant than what's consumed in THC. Tolerance/"dealing with it" are not the same as suppression.
 
2012-12-23 06:09:21 AM  
Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis
 
2012-12-23 06:55:05 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis


How DARE you use verifiable facts in an argument!
 
2012-12-23 07:18:45 AM  

Steve Zodiac: Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis

How DARE you use verifiable facts in an argument!


BURN THE WITCH!!!
 
2012-12-23 07:32:24 AM  

Fell In Love With a Chair: Steve Zodiac: Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis

How DARE you use verifiable facts in an argument!

BURN THE WITCH!!!


SMOKE HER!
 
2012-12-23 08:20:52 AM  
I came in here to note that the headline does not accurately portray the contents of the linked article. What has Fark come to, I must ask?
 
2012-12-23 08:22:55 AM  
I'll put this study on my bookshelf next to the "Abortion Causes Breast Cancer" study.
That's in the Talibornagain Bullshiat category.
 
2012-12-23 09:10:35 AM  

Herr Docktor Heinrich Wisenheimer: Fell In Love With a Chair: Steve Zodiac: Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis

How DARE you use verifiable facts in an argument!

BURN THE WITCH!!!

SMOKE HER!


Doesn't the bible say something about suffering a witch to live?
 
2012-12-23 09:10:36 AM  
"Fom the 'research that would've been good before people voted on it' file, THC levels in marijuana do nothing to actually reduce pain. So put that in your pipe"

Which is obviously why those on mj can still function as a normal person and those on the heavy meds are brain dead zombies that might as wll be dead anyway. Got it, thanks.
 
2012-12-23 09:11:25 AM  
Ctrl+F "CBD" = 0 results

That's some fine sciencin' there Lou.
 
2012-12-23 09:11:28 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis


And its not the THC that does it, its the CBD's that provide pain relief... /facepalm
 
2012-12-23 09:16:51 AM  

Steve Zodiac: Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis

How DARE you use verifiable facts in an argument!



Agreed. The use of facts to defend marijuana sickens me. That disgusting drug needs to be kept off the streets so the Mexicans intolerable criminal element will stay out of our neighborhoods and towns.
 
2012-12-23 09:21:39 AM  
Inconcievable!
 
2012-12-23 09:23:03 AM  
They voted in Colorado and Washington for recreational use.
 
2012-12-23 09:23:58 AM  
www.reefermadnessteachingmuseum.org


Have you learned nothing from history!?!
 
2012-12-23 09:24:39 AM  
Everyone "knows" it only works on "real" pain.

Inconcievable how a plant used for all of recorded history has medical uses, contrary to the lies of Anslinger, Hearst, et,al,.

/whut duz Schedule1 mean, again?
 
2012-12-23 09:25:08 AM  
The researchers found that an oral tablet of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, tended to make the experience of pain more bearable, rather than actually reduce the intensity of the pain.

That DOESN'T count as pain relief?
 
2012-12-23 09:25:11 AM  
From my experience Vicodin doesn't relieve pain either. I remember specifically that I could still feel the pain of the wound, I just didn't CARE about it any longer.

Same thing with marijuana.

Also, it should be legal for recreational use, no need for the crutch of "medicinal use".
 
2012-12-23 09:26:06 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis


My friend's dad was a regular pot smoker who decided to quit, next thing he knows his eyes are bother him. Turns out he had glaucoma for years and never knew it.
 
2012-12-23 09:27:57 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis


People claim the same thing about the Procarin patch and there's even a study.
 
2012-12-23 09:30:12 AM  
As someone who treats cancer, I assure you pot is wonderful for benefitting the side effects of chemotherapy.
 
2012-12-23 09:30:48 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis


It also helps with migraines. I guess those aren't considered painful though.
 
2012-12-23 09:32:03 AM  

FTA:


The researchers found that an oral tablet of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, tended to make the experience of pain more bearable, rather than actually reduce the intensity of the pain.


Yeah, what a mistake it is to smoke pot to deal with pain.

And do you know what really reduces pain levels? Heroin.
 
2012-12-23 09:32:24 AM  

PawisBetlog: From my experience Vicodin doesn't relieve pain either. I remember specifically that I could still feel the pain of the wound, I just didn't CARE about it any longer.


Exactly! I was on morphine after my c section and that shiat worked but when they switched to oxycodone and tylenol the pain wasn't minimized much but I didn't give a shiat.
 
2012-12-23 09:33:06 AM  

St_Francis_P: I came in here to note that the headline does not accurately portray the contents of the linked article. What has Fark come to, I must ask?


s8.postimage.org
 
2012-12-23 09:33:44 AM  
I have a terrible condition where I am not high, and the THC in marijuana helps with that, and gets me high.
 
2012-12-23 09:34:29 AM  
This isn't new. A lot/most perscription of pain killers are less effective than aspirin and Tylenol at actually reducing pain, they just get you stoned. Getting stoned is more fun than getting rid of pain. You may as well take a bunch of shots as take a Vicodin.
 
2012-12-23 09:34:37 AM  
The happy shiny pharmaceutical industry wants you to buy their expensive side-effect loaded drugs that will give you cancer in 10 years so they can then sell you more drugs.
 
2012-12-23 09:36:06 AM  

PawisBetlog: From my experience Vicodin doesn't relieve pain either. I remember specifically that I could still feel the pain of the wound, I just didn't CARE about it any longer.

Same thing with marijuana.

Also, it should be legal for recreational use, no need for the crutch of "medicinal use".


This is what I was talking about, good example.
 
2012-12-23 09:36:17 AM  
subby
is this what you suggest for pain relief?
www.trueswords.com
You know, because the pain stops when the cops stop hitting you, right?
 
2012-12-23 09:36:25 AM  
Ibupofrin will stop or blunt most pain, vicodin and the like just turns you into a socially acceptable drug addict.
 
2012-12-23 09:36:38 AM  
Toots says it doesn't relieve his pain, but it does help his pain pills last longer. It keeps him out of that horrible downward spiral of needing more and more narcotics, and that in itself is plenty good enough for me.

/so proud of my homies for being first to legalize it
 
2012-12-23 09:38:29 AM  
I will say that after being diagnosed as diabetic back in 2006, I've had to avoid any exposure to the stuff. It makes my BGL drop through the floor and vomit off balconies.

However, not my place to tell people they can't use it if it works better for them.

/I still laugh at the idea of MJ being anti-nausea though. Most of my old neighborhood would beg to differ.
 
2012-12-23 09:39:14 AM  
But... but it feels so good!
 
2012-12-23 09:39:53 AM  

Jake Havechek: The happy shiny pharmaceutical industry wants you to buy their expensive side-effect loaded drugs that will give you cancer in 10 years so they can then sell you more drugs.


My mother has expensive prescriptions just to counter the side effects of other expensive prescriptions. The brilliance of the business model astounds me.
 
2012-12-23 09:39:59 AM  
I'm all for legalizing it, but please stop making up shiat and claiming anecdotes are facts.
 
2012-12-23 09:41:03 AM  

Jake Havechek: Ibupofrin will stop or blunt most pain,


Well, somebody's never felt real pain in his life. You might be lucky and just have deadened nerves or high tolerance. Or, and I hope you're sitting, you just haven't felt pain yet. I really hope either way you die old and happy without ever feeling something ibuprofen couldn't help.
 
2012-12-23 09:41:31 AM  
Did subby even read TFA?
 
2012-12-23 09:42:28 AM  
So did submitter intentionally choose that very specific headline with the full intention of being a twatwaffle or did the submitter choose that headline because he was too dim to understand the larger implications of the study? Inquiring minds want to know.
 
2012-12-23 09:45:53 AM  
Oh, no! What if they made marijuana legal, even though all it does is make you feel good? The horror! THE HORROR!

We're not Puritans, folks.
 
2012-12-23 09:46:02 AM  

(THC), the primary psychoactive compound of cannabis.[2][3] However, there are known to exist numerous other cannabinoids with varied effects.

Hey submitard...nice of you to come up for air from looking for the birth certificate long enough to deal some once again, conservative rhetorical tired a$$ old arguments and drive by talking points...

Crap headline like this is no better than a conservative talk show sound bite....f*ck you

 
2012-12-23 09:49:49 AM  
Not news. Alcohol makes you not care as much either. People like getting stoned, whether they have some medical condition or not . Big deal. Just don't drive while under the influence. And don't be surprised if employers don't want to hire someone who relies on perception distorting drugs as a lifestyle.
 
2012-12-23 09:50:15 AM  
Before a scan, participants were given either a 15mg tablet of THC or a placebo. THC, or delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, is the active psychotropic compound in cannabis - the ingredient that's responsible for the high that drives recreational use of the drug.

"Hey, let's run a study with neurocannabinoids and act surprised when they don't work like Tylenol!"

What these "scientists" might look like:

www.x929.ca
 
2012-12-23 09:50:16 AM  

M11618: This isn't new. A lot/most perscription of pain killers are less effective than aspirin and Tylenol at actually reducing pain, they just get you stoned. Getting stoned is more fun than getting rid of pain. You may as well take a bunch of shots as take a Vicodin.


Heh, taking shots is actually better for my constant sciatica than vicodin. I know it's going to destroy my liver, but ironically, so will the vicodin.
 
2012-12-23 09:50:40 AM  
So it's useless then? Not really surprising.

/can we start jailing the losers now?
 
2012-12-23 09:50:49 AM  

Jake Havechek: Ibupofrin will stop or blunt most pain, vicodin and the like just turns you into a socially acceptable drug addict.


I can tell you (with my doctor's blessing) that ibuprofen doesn't do a damned thing for pain - it's an anti-inflammatory, not an analgesic.It's an NSAID that relieves symptoms which can cause pain, but it doesn't deal with pain itself. And, as an NSAID, ibuprofen also has its problems when it comes to chronic use.
 
2012-12-23 09:51:47 AM  
Pot has few proven negatives and is basically harmless. If a sick person thinks it makes them feel better, even if there is no scientic evidence in support, that's enough for me. Telling someone going through chemo not to smoke pot because it might be bad for them is idiotic and has everything to do morality and nothing to do with concern for the patient.
 
2012-12-23 09:52:38 AM  

FormlessOne: Jake Havechek: Ibupofrin will stop or blunt most pain, vicodin and the like just turns you into a socially acceptable drug addict.

I can tell you (with my doctor's blessing) that ibuprofen doesn't do a damned thing for pain - it's an anti-inflammatory, not an analgesic.It's an NSAID that relieves symptoms which can cause pain, but it doesn't deal with pain itself. And, as an NSAID, ibuprofen also has its problems when it comes to chronic use.


Who needs an intact GI tract? It's not like there's hydrochloric acid inside your guts or something.
 
2012-12-23 09:52:58 AM  

Rueened: /can we start jailing the losers now?


Why? Unless they kill someone in a car accident, there's no point. It just costs tax money. Let them have their fix, like alcoholics. Ignore them.
 
2012-12-23 09:55:57 AM  
Guaranteed feeling no pain:

wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net
 
2012-12-23 09:59:03 AM  

unamused: I'll put this study on my bookshelf next to the "Abortion Causes Breast Cancer" study.
That's in the Talibornagain Bullshiat category.


Agreed.
 
2012-12-23 09:59:09 AM  

Rueened: So it's useless then? Not really surprising.

/can we start jailing the losers now?


Yes; we need to build as many jails as necessary, and spare no expense to stamp out this scourge. People don't realize that stoner kids are the least of our problems; I worry about the crazed jazz musicians attacking our white women.
 
2012-12-23 09:59:16 AM  
So pot-heads feel the same pain but they just don't care about it, man.
 
2012-12-23 10:00:27 AM  

Rueened: So it's useless then? Not really surprising.


You didn't read the article, did you?

/can we start jailing the losers now?

Sure, along with who else? Perhaps the poor and the gays? Let us know who else you'd like to add to your pogrom against people who you don't like.
 
2012-12-23 10:01:17 AM  

Herr Docktor Heinrich Wisenheimer: Fell In Love With a Chair: Steve Zodiac: Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis

How DARE you use verifiable facts in an argument!

BURN THE WITCH!!!

SMOKE HER!


Boy, that escalated quickly...
 
2012-12-23 10:01:26 AM  

Rueened: So it's useless then? Not really surprising.


You know how I know you didn't read the first paragraph?
 
2012-12-23 10:01:26 AM  

gangrel_pri: I will say that after being diagnosed as diabetic back in 2006, I've had to avoid any exposure to the stuff. It makes my BGL drop through the floor and vomit off balconies.

However, not my place to tell people they can't use it if it works better for them.

/I still laugh at the idea of MJ being anti-nausea though. Most of my old neighborhood would beg to differ.


Yeah well when it's laced with PCP it looses some of those properties
 
2012-12-23 10:01:52 AM  

FormlessOne: I can tell you (with my doctor's blessing) that ibuprofen doesn't do a damned thing for pain - it's an anti-inflammatory, not an analgesic.It's an NSAID that relieves symptoms which can cause pain, but it doesn't deal with pain itself. And, as an NSAID, ibuprofen also has its problems when it comes to chronic use.


Ibuprofen very effectively suppresses the production of prostaglandins - chemicals that tell nerves to transmit pain. Yes, it doesn't act in the brain like opiates, but saying it does nothing for pain is silly and false.

/and get a new doctor
 
2012-12-23 10:02:44 AM  

doglover: Jake Havechek: Ibupofrin will stop or blunt most pain,

Well, somebody's never felt real pain in his life. You might be lucky and just have deadened nerves or high tolerance. Or, and I hope you're sitting, you just haven't felt pain yet. I really hope either way you die old and happy without ever feeling something ibuprofen couldn't help.


I converted to Necromonger a few years ago, I should have mentioned that.
 
2012-12-23 10:03:10 AM  
Cannabinoids most definitely have analgesic properties.... and not just THC, the synthetic ones too.

Study is either biased or flawed.
 
2012-12-23 10:04:03 AM  
Here, instead, take two oxy's and don't wake up in the morning.
 
2012-12-23 10:04:48 AM  
As someone who has used it in a couple cases where I had a painful injury and couldn't get to the doctor for a day or two for something stronger than aleve, I call bullshiat.
 
2012-12-23 10:05:08 AM  
Inaccurate headline is inaccurate.
 
2012-12-23 10:06:36 AM  
For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
imageshack.us
 
2012-12-23 10:07:02 AM  
from the article

He adds: 'Our small-scale study, in a controlled setting, involved 12 healthy men and only one of many compounds that can be derived from cannabis. That's quite different from doing a study with patients.

garbage research is garbage
 
2012-12-23 10:09:24 AM  
This is news only to people are willfully ignorant of how pot affects the brain; there are studies from 20 years ago that cover this.
 
2012-12-23 10:09:24 AM  
As a long time user, I've found that it doesn't really reduce pain as much as it permits one to be easily distracted from it.

/smoke responsibly, 21 and over
 
2012-12-23 10:09:29 AM  

OldTXwmn: from the article

He adds: 'Our small-scale study, in a controlled setting, involved 12 healthy men and only one of many compounds that can be derived from cannabis. That's quite different from doing a study with patients.

garbage research is garbage


Actually, this is exactly how research is usually done. Very few projects have the budget to create perfect testing conditions.
 
2012-12-23 10:09:59 AM  

gangrel_pri: I will say that after being diagnosed as diabetic back in 2006, I've had to avoid any exposure to the stuff. It makes my BGL drop through the floor and vomit off balconies.

However, not my place to tell people they can't use it if it works better for them.

/I still laugh at the idea of MJ being anti-nausea though. Most of my old neighborhood would beg to differ.


Your old neighborhood probably thought the mold growing on their weed was THC crystals too. Or maybe someone cut it with oregano. It wasn't the weed making them sick.
 
2012-12-23 10:14:09 AM  
I tried pot for the first time when I was 35 and maybe partake 3 or 4 times a year socially. I love it. It beats the hell out of getting drunk in many ways. Meanwhile, I carry on with my life responsibly as if nothing happened...which is essentially true.

What my better-late-than never foray into marijuana has done, more than anything, is open my eyes fully to the degree at which people in power lie about it for ulterior motives. Furthermore, I don't need to see these sorts of studies. Legalize it for recreational use. Now. Lots of things that are less than 100% healthy for you are legal to freely use...for good reason.

Can anyone tell me a good reason why it's necessary to ruin a marijuana user's life through illegality?
 
2012-12-23 10:14:28 AM  

Macular Degenerate: Before a scan, participants were given either a 15mg tablet of THC or a placebo. THC, or delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, is the active psychotropic compound in cannabis - the ingredient that's responsible for the high that drives recreational use of the drug.

"Hey, let's run a study with neurocannabinoids and act surprised when they don't work like Tylenol!"

What these "scientists" might look like:

[www.x929.ca image 600x450]


"The researchers found that an oral tablet of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, tended to make the experience of pain more bearable, rather than actually reduce the intensity of the pain"


Look, I can quote directly from the article too, except that my quote summarizes the main point of the article. See how that's done? You, on the other hand, wildly misinterpret the article and research and obviously have a ridiculous notion of what average pot users look like. You sound old... or high. Are you high?
 
2012-12-23 10:16:38 AM  
Take the herb and the good news is you aren't going to overdose and die, while imagining it doesn't hurt so much.
 
2012-12-23 10:18:19 AM  
Where exactly did this attitude that you have to suffer when you are in serious pain start?

Isn't the point of a painkiller is so that you don't care about it so much while you're on it? If you want to suffer and pay for your sins while you recover that's your problem subby. For the rest of us, we just want to be comfortable.

Oh no, it also feels good and God forbid anyone have the side effect of felling good. Vomiting, bleeding ulcers, spastic colon, brain hemmorage, flatulance, heart attack risk are so much more acceptable side effects.

Fark you puritanical tight asses. Mind your own business.
 
2012-12-23 10:22:05 AM  
FFS... so Much wrong with just the little bit I read of that crap.

The main problem being they used hot chili goop to create the pain. That is a surface pain. When prescribed for muscle/skeletal pain the effects are very different, especially when taken orally. It reduces muscle spasms as well which are extremely painful.

They also used the freaking oral pill pill sh*t and even said right in the article that there are many other elements to cannabis which likely work together.

I'm no hippie and I don't even really like the stuff but this study was garbage and irresponsible considering the authoritarian wargharble surrounding the subject (which subby is trying to capitalize on either seriously or for trolling purposes).

I'm sure this will scooped up by Fox derpf*ckers as PROOF that chronic pain sufferers are just faking it to get stoned and that they should be good little corporate puppets and stick to the highly addictive, liver killing, zombie state inducing, profit making chemical bullsh*t that gets crammed down our throats.

Cram it with walnuts! THE LOT OF YA!
 
2012-12-23 10:23:06 AM  

Alonjar: Cannabinoids most definitely have analgesic properties.... and not just THC, the synthetic ones too.

Study is either biased or flawed.

WHy not both?
 
2012-12-23 10:23:16 AM  
from the first line of the article: The researchers found that an oral tablet of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, tended to make the experience of pain more bearable, rather than actually reduce the intensity of the pain.

for pretty much everybody, "more bearable" and "reduction" in regards to pain are the same thing. im not sure how pain can be more bearable without it being lessened to some degree. the only definition of any kind of relief from pain is 100% related to the experience of pain, i.e. how it feels.

and medicine doesnt know how to quantify the pain relief it provides during crappy movies, 12-yr old gamers raging at you in headsets, family arguments, or inane thread blather. and CBD doesnt help with THAT kind of pain.
 
2012-12-23 10:23:34 AM  
Small scale? That's a micro scale experiement.

As to the implications of the headline: Dear Subby, as you well know, research into Marijuana was proscribed by HA's fine bit of work. We know far, far more about Heroin, a synthetic derivative, than we do about the all natural weed.

If anyone ever wakes up, there's some of us who have decades of smoking experience, but you usually don't know who we are since we have been kept underground so long.
 
2012-12-23 10:24:15 AM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
[imageshack.us image 640x480]


You're eating tiny shards of glass.  This causes pain relief?  No.  That's quackery.  Stop being a sucker.
 
2012-12-23 10:24:36 AM  

Zasteva: Rueened: So it's useless then? Not really surprising.

You didn't read the article, did you?

/can we start jailing the losers now?

Sure, along with who else? Perhaps the poor and the gays? Let us know who else you'd like to add to your pogrom against people who you don't like.


Oh ffs less of the histrionics. Stop projecting your own inadequacies on me.

And why the Fark should I bother reading the article? No-one else here does.
 
2012-12-23 10:26:44 AM  
Having just finished my cancer treatment, I can only comment on my personal experience.

I was prescribed drugs for nausea and pain relief, the list of side effects on these drugs were 2 pages long and these drugs were expensive. I got the prescription filled. The nausea and pain drugs worked fine. I got constipation, skin rashes, heartburn and insomnia from them. When the drugs were gone I decided to buy a half ounce of marijuana and a vaporizer. I used about 1/4 gram twice a day and It completely neutralized the nausea (I could even eat meals!), and although I could tell that I had pain it made the pain manageable. I didn't feel "high". If I vaporized 1/2 to 3/4 of a gram, then I would start to feel euphoric and I would get the urge watch cartoons or sitcoms. It's been a month since my treatment ended and my recovery is far beyond expectations. My Oncologist said it would take about 3 months before I started feeling normal. I feel pretty much feel normal now. Could be the pot or it could be my body chemistry.

I have no problem with recreational use and I feel that it's a crime it is not accepted worldwide for medical use. Its no longer a question of "Is it beneficial?" Now I know the answer.
 
2012-12-23 10:35:09 AM  
Subby: THC levels in marijuana do nothing to actually reduce pain
FTFA The pain relief offered by cannabis varies greatly between individuals, a brain imaging study carried out at the University of Oxford suggests.

But hey, this is Fark. Why should I expect anything else?
 
2012-12-23 10:36:28 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Rueened: /can we start jailing the losers now?

Why? Unless they kill someone in a car accident, there's no point. It just costs tax money. Let them have their fix, like alcoholics. Ignore them.


I agree. Same goes for guns.

/just making sure we're being consistent here on discussing the merits of liberty
 
2012-12-23 10:37:33 AM  

Fluid: The researchers found that an oral tablet of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, tended to make the experience of pain more bearable, rather than actually reduce the intensity of the pain.

That DOESN'T count as pain relief?


That depends on your definition of "relief". It apparently doesn't stop the pain; it just makes you too stoned to notice it. You can get the same relief from a fifth of Jack Daniels.
 
2012-12-23 10:37:38 AM  

Rueened: So it's useless then? Not really surprising.

/can we start jailing the losers now?


lol why u mad tho?
 
2012-12-23 10:37:56 AM  

Fluid: The researchers found that an oral tablet of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, tended to make the experience of pain more bearable, rather than actually reduce the intensity of the pain.

That DOESN'T count as pain relief?


This is how opiates work. They reduce suffering, not pain. Pain is irrelevant if there is no suffering.

The 500mg of Tylenol in your vicodin is an anti-inflammatory to reduce swelling and pain, the 5-10 mg of hydrocodone makes you happy enough not to care about the remainder.

The brain also makes its own cannabinoids.
 
2012-12-23 10:38:23 AM  
This is old news from the last century

Voting for legalizing pot or medicinal pot never really was about the :"medicinal" aspect, nor was it ever about raising tax money.
 
2012-12-23 10:39:04 AM  

radiumsoup: I agree. Same goes for guns.


As long as you aren't using the marijuana and guns at the same time, yes.
 
2012-12-23 10:39:13 AM  

katerbug72: PawisBetlog: From my experience Vicodin doesn't relieve pain either. I remember specifically that I could still feel the pain of the wound, I just didn't CARE about it any longer.

Exactly! I was on morphine after my c section and that shiat worked but when they switched to oxycodone and tylenol the pain wasn't minimized much but I didn't give a shiat.


Nitrous Oxide as well. Having your teeth drilled out still hurts, you just think it's hilarious
 
2012-12-23 10:39:58 AM  

Ow My Balls: I tried pot for the first time when I was 35 and maybe partake 3 or 4 times a year socially. I love it. It beats the hell out of getting drunk in many ways. Meanwhile, I carry on with my life responsibly as if nothing happened...which is essentially true.

What my better-late-than never foray into marijuana has done, more than anything, is open my eyes fully to the degree at which people in power lie about it for ulterior motives. Furthermore, I don't need to see these sorts of studies. Legalize it for recreational use. Now. Lots of things that are less than 100% healthy for you are legal to freely use...for good reason.

Can anyone tell me a good reason why it's necessary to ruin a marijuana user's life through illegality?

Nope...plus it enhances the nuances of music and Jack in the Box tacos....so I am told.
 
2012-12-23 10:40:04 AM  

doglover: Jake Havechek: Ibupofrin will stop or blunt most pain,

Well, somebody's never felt real pain in his life. You might be lucky and just have deadened nerves or high tolerance. Or, and I hope you're sitting, you just haven't felt pain yet. I really hope either way you die old and happy without ever feeling something ibuprofen couldn't help.


Broke my leg in two places a few years ago (tib/fib fracture). After getting a metal rod put in, I went through 3 different prescription pain meds (Vicodin, Demoral and Tylenol 3) trying to find something that actually worked. Even tried a little Oxy but that just made me not care that it hurt. Found that plain ol' Motrin (OTC dosage) did more for my pain than any of those.
 
2012-12-23 10:40:22 AM  

radiumsoup: ThrobblefootSpectre: Rueened: /can we start jailing the losers now?

Why? Unless they kill someone in a car accident, there's no point. It just costs tax money. Let them have their fix, like alcoholics. Ignore them.

I agree. Same goes for guns.

/just making sure we're being consistent here on discussing the merits of liberty


When was the last time a stoner killed 20-odd children with weed? The fact that machine guns[1] are legal and weed is not is ridiculous.

[1] in the common vernacular of every country but the US, an AR-15 is a machine gun. So is an AK-47. The NRA can fark off.
 
2012-12-23 10:40:30 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: This is old news from the last century

Voting for legalizing pot or medicinal pot never really was about the :"medicinal" aspect, nor was it ever about raising tax money.


Pfffft. The FDA gets payoffs from drug companies, their credibility does not exist.
 
2012-12-23 10:41:41 AM  
I just came here to get stoned....ran into a presidential debate or something.
 
2012-12-23 10:43:01 AM  

Steve Zodiac: Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis

How DARE you use verifiable facts in an argument!


Let us know when you find real research to claim these "facts".
 
2012-12-23 10:45:19 AM  
I think I just figured out what this was... a bunch of college students got together and said, "hey, wouldn't it be funny if we could get the school to pay for us getting high?" and asked a buddy in the biochem research department if they could make that happen... and so it did.
 
2012-12-23 10:46:13 AM  

maelstrom0370: doglover: Jake Havechek: Ibupofrin will stop or blunt most pain,

Well, somebody's never felt real pain in his life. You might be lucky and just have deadened nerves or high tolerance. Or, and I hope you're sitting, you just haven't felt pain yet. I really hope either way you die old and happy without ever feeling something ibuprofen couldn't help.

Broke my leg in two places a few years ago (tib/fib fracture). After getting a metal rod put in, I went through 3 different prescription pain meds (Vicodin, Demoral and Tylenol 3) trying to find something that actually worked. Even tried a little Oxy but that just made me not care that it hurt. Found that plain ol' Motrin (OTC dosage) did more for my pain than any of those.


Vicodin, demerol and Tylenol-3 are all basically the same thing - a large amount of paracetamol and a small amount of opiates. Motrin is a different NSAID (ibuprofen) and clearly that worked better for you than the paracetamol.

In the UK Tylenol-3 equivalents are OTC .... however, you can't bulk buy NSAIDs as they are lethal in large doses (kills hundreds of people a year). The US medical laws are about keeping people sober, not healthy. Fark Anslinger, god botherers and everyone else who jacks the system around with their false moralising.
 
2012-12-23 10:49:29 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: This is old news from the last century

Voting for legalizing pot or medicinal pot never really was about the :"medicinal" aspect, nor was it ever about raising tax money.


I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you're probably the derpmeister that posted this considering the completely BS headline.
 
2012-12-23 10:50:48 AM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
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I know this as something used to kill insects, because the razor sharp bits rip them apart. I am super skeptical about ingesting it.
 
2012-12-23 10:51:13 AM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
[imageshack.us image 640x480]


I put that stuff around the house to kill bugs because it doesn't hurt pets. I'm a bit skeptical on health claims.
 
2012-12-23 10:51:29 AM  
This is a pretty pernicious argument. I've never claimed that marijuana eliminates pain. What it does it make it manageable. While I am not a regular partaker, I can say for certain that when smoking, the pain doesn't completely go away, but instead you aren't consumed by it. Unlike vicodin and a host of other drugs I've been given, though, it doesn't cause chronic opiate addiction, make one completely incapable of doing anything else, or eat your stomach lining alive. So, long story short, while I'm about a once every few years smoker, I think the people who wrote this might miss the point just a tiny bit on why people use it for that.

That aside, I know plenty of people using it for pain management (without a doctor's prescription! Oh noes!) who were previously on drugs that made them completely non-functional. I will take someone using marijuana over oxycontin any day of the week.

/btw, so will most doctors
 
2012-12-23 10:51:48 AM  

ParaHandy: maelstrom0370: doglover: Jake Havechek: Ibupofrin will stop or blunt most pain,

Well, somebody's never felt real pain in his life. You might be lucky and just have deadened nerves or high tolerance. Or, and I hope you're sitting, you just haven't felt pain yet. I really hope either way you die old and happy without ever feeling something ibuprofen couldn't help.

Broke my leg in two places a few years ago (tib/fib fracture). After getting a metal rod put in, I went through 3 different prescription pain meds (Vicodin, Demoral and Tylenol 3) trying to find something that actually worked. Even tried a little Oxy but that just made me not care that it hurt. Found that plain ol' Motrin (OTC dosage) did more for my pain than any of those.

Vicodin, demerol and Tylenol-3 are all basically the same thing - a large amount of paracetamol and a small amount of opiates. Motrin is a different NSAID (ibuprofen) and clearly that worked better for you than the paracetamol.

In the UK Tylenol-3 equivalents are OTC .... however, you can't bulk buy NSAIDs as they are lethal in large doses (kills hundreds of people a year). The US medical laws are about keeping people sober, not healthy. Fark Anslinger, god botherers and everyone else who jacks the system around with their false moralising.


Thanks for the info. Good to know should I need painkillers again. I don't like taking them if I don't have to (have friends who are closet prescription junkies) and prefer to use something OTC when possible.

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2012-12-23 10:51:49 AM  

ParaHandy: In the UK Tylenol-3 equivalents are OTC .... however, you can't bulk buy NSAIDs as they are lethal in large doses (kills hundreds of people a year). The US medical laws are about keeping people sober, not healthy. Fark Anslinger, god botherers and everyone else who jacks the system around with their false moralising.


Yeah, but (correct me if I'm wrong) in the UK, your pharmacist can also prescribe drugs/compounds without you having to see a full-blown doctor first, too... much easier all around to get something for what ails you
 
2012-12-23 10:53:08 AM  

ParaHandy: When was the last time a stoner killed 20-odd children with weed?


Um, wtf are you getting pissy at me for? I think weed should be legalized. I think you should be able to grow your own in your backyard.

/But since you asked - Driving while intoxicated kills more people than guns in the U.S.
 
2012-12-23 10:54:12 AM  
Not sure if Subby is trolling or just stupid but either way he go fark himself for such a shiatty article/title...
 
2012-12-23 10:54:51 AM  

ParaHandy: maelstrom0370: doglover: Jake Havechek: Ibupofrin will stop or blunt most pain,

Well, somebody's never felt real pain in his life. You might be lucky and just have deadened nerves or high tolerance. Or, and I hope you're sitting, you just haven't felt pain yet. I really hope either way you die old and happy without ever feeling something ibuprofen couldn't help.

Broke my leg in two places a few years ago (tib/fib fracture). After getting a metal rod put in, I went through 3 different prescription pain meds (Vicodin, Demoral and Tylenol 3) trying to find something that actually worked. Even tried a little Oxy but that just made me not care that it hurt. Found that plain ol' Motrin (OTC dosage) did more for my pain than any of those.

Vicodin, demerol and Tylenol-3 are all basically the same thing - a large amount of paracetamol and a small amount of opiates. Motrin is a different NSAID (ibuprofen) and clearly that worked better for you than the paracetamol.

In the UK Tylenol-3 equivalents are OTC .... however, you can't bulk buy NSAIDs as they are lethal in large doses (kills hundreds of people a year). The US medical laws are about keeping people sober, not healthy. Fark Anslinger, god botherers and everyone else who jacks the system around with their false moralising.


Not to mention even when they're not lethal, long term usage causes many, many problems. I still occasionally have to deal with the after-effects of being on a long term prescription of meloxicam. :/
 
2012-12-23 10:56:36 AM  

Mouser: Fluid: The researchers found that an oral tablet of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, tended to make the experience of pain more bearable, rather than actually reduce the intensity of the pain.

That DOESN'T count as pain relief?

That depends on your definition of "relief". It apparently doesn't stop the pain; it just makes you too stoned to notice it. You can get the same relief from a fifth of Jack Daniels.


So Would you then recommend alcohol over weed to treat pain? Let's ignore the legalities for a second, and look strictly at their individual merits.
 
2012-12-23 10:56:37 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis


certain symptoms like neuropathic pain (crazy bad burning) and muscle spasticity.

Mostly though, I voted to legalize it because it's mind bogglingly retarded to spend billions of dollars a year on jailing people for smoking pot.
 
2012-12-23 10:56:48 AM  

radiumsoup: ParaHandy: In the UK Tylenol-3 equivalents are OTC .... however, you can't bulk buy NSAIDs as they are lethal in large doses (kills hundreds of people a year). The US medical laws are about keeping people sober, not healthy. Fark Anslinger, god botherers and everyone else who jacks the system around with their false moralising.

Yeah, but (correct me if I'm wrong) in the UK, your pharmacist can also prescribe drugs/compounds without you having to see a full-blown doctor first, too... much easier all around to get something for what ails you


I think that could solve a lot of the problems in the US. I don't know how it is in other countries, but in the US, pharmacists tend to know infinitely more about the medicines being prescribed than the doctors do. It is frightening how bad a good deal of doctors are when it comes to not keeping up with things, and not understanding interactions (or not bothering to check their easy-to-use program that will show the interactions for them).

Given how many doctors now seem to dispense with the whole examination and just prescribe drugs immediately, would make a lot more sense to just send them to the pharmacist instead.
 
2012-12-23 10:57:50 AM  

jjwars1: Mouser: Fluid: The researchers found that an oral tablet of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, tended to make the experience of pain more bearable, rather than actually reduce the intensity of the pain.

That DOESN'T count as pain relief?

That depends on your definition of "relief". It apparently doesn't stop the pain; it just makes you too stoned to notice it. You can get the same relief from a fifth of Jack Daniels.

So Would you then recommend alcohol over weed to treat pain? Let's ignore the legalities for a second, and look strictly at their individual merits.


Only if you want to get really fat, have liver problems, and make incredibly poor decisions. :D
 
2012-12-23 10:58:12 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: This is old news from the last century

Voting for legalizing pot or medicinal pot never really was about the :"medicinal" aspect, nor was it ever about raising tax money.


Did you even READ that article?

I also like this part...

Susan Bro, an agency spokeswoman, said Thursday's statement resulted from a past combined review by federal drug enforcement, regulatory and research agencies that concluded "smoked marijuana has no currently accepted or proven medical use in the United States and is not an approved medical treatment."

So cops, bureaucratic fascists and quite likely big pharma researchers.

Cool story, (Suzie) Bro.
 
2012-12-23 10:59:07 AM  
DNRTA
 
2012-12-23 11:00:22 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Bathia_Mapes: It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis

People claim the same thing about the Procarin patch and there's even a study.


Hi, as an MS patient, I feel better qualified to speak to this subject... ask whatever questions you have about the relationship between mj and MS...
 
2012-12-23 11:02:39 AM  
Uh, subby. I live in WA. You'll notice we didn't care much about the pain killing part when we passed our legislation. We made it legal to consume because it's fun. Nothing more.
 
2012-12-23 11:04:46 AM  
Neither do the levels in placebo yet it's affective some 30% of the time.
 
2012-12-23 11:05:02 AM  
These people in "pain" are like so-called "rape" victims.
If it's legitimate pain, the body has ways of shutting down, similar to legitimate rape.
 
2012-12-23 11:05:15 AM  
Subby you disgrace fark with you shiat articles please crawl back under the bridge troll
 
2012-12-23 11:06:18 AM  

rohar: Uh, subby. I live in WA. You'll notice we didn't care much about the pain killing part when we passed our legislation. We made it legal to consume because it's fun. Nothing more.


I voted for 64 here in CO because I just don't care what people want to do to get high in their own home... I'd  rather them buy from a regulated dispensary than some armed guys in shady neighborhoods, and I think we'd do better to spend billions of dollars on having better schools, roads, and health facilities than on making more jail space for people who smoke up at home.
 
2012-12-23 11:11:57 AM  
I think we can put down our pitchforks about the medical benefits of marijuana. We don't need that excuse anymore.

Now we're legalizing it because it's awesome.

/May 24th, 2004 was my last puff
//Will probably smoke again one day if I don't have to worry about legal issues or driving through shady neighborhoods to get it.
///Come on Illinois.
 
2012-12-23 11:14:14 AM  
i stopped reading when it said they gave out an "oral tablet." there is more to marijuana than thc, a lot more. isolating one chemical and orally ingesting it is absolutely not equivalent to taking a single smoked hit.  you can make data agree with almost anything you want it to when you cherry pick everything about your "research."
 
2012-12-23 11:14:25 AM  

radiumsoup: ParaHandy: In the UK Tylenol-3 equivalents are OTC .... however, you can't bulk buy NSAIDs as they are lethal in large doses (kills hundreds of people a year). The US medical laws are about keeping people sober, not healthy. Fark Anslinger, god botherers and everyone else who jacks the system around with their false moralising.

Yeah, but (correct me if I'm wrong) in the UK, your pharmacist can also prescribe drugs/compounds without you having to see a full-blown doctor first, too... much easier all around to get something for what ails you


I don't think so, but a lot of things that are prescription-only in the USA are OTC here, and so are recommended and dispensed by a pharmacist.
 
2012-12-23 11:20:50 AM  
"The researchers found that an oral tablet of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, tended to make the experience of pain more bearable, rather than actuajarhead_lly reduce the intensity of the pain"

Oh, dear gawd, why go to the trouble to make it into a pil?!?!?!?!?!? If you don't want to smoke, bake the leaf into a desert. That's the beauty of this plant, that and the rest of it makes good textiles and paper.

/don't even even smoke the stuff and this still pisses me off.
 
2012-12-23 11:25:43 AM  

Jarhead_h: Oh, dear gawd, why go to the trouble to make it into a pil?!?!?!?!?!? If you don't want to smoke, bake the leaf into a desert. That's the beauty of this plant, that and the rest of it makes good textiles and paper.


I'm pretty sure they were trying to isolate one chemical to study. Studying the pain relief of a smorgasbord of 400 chemicals simultaneously may not exactly be informative.  It's how science works. No need to get pissed off.
 
2012-12-23 11:27:29 AM  
He adds: 'Our small-scale study, in a controlled setting, involved 12 healthy men and only one of many compounds that can be derived from cannabis. That's quite different from doing a study with patients.

While I know  the  prohibitionists will use this study as Gods proof,, this one line explains why it cannot be applied to marijuana for medical use, It is like declaring Chemotherapy a failure since a single drug does not eradicate cancer
 
2012-12-23 11:30:14 AM  

imasig: I think we can put down our pitchforks about the medical benefits of marijuana. We don't need that excuse anymore.

Now we're legalizing it because it's awesome.

/May 24th, 2004 was my last puff
//Will probably smoke again one day if I don't have to worry about legal issues or driving through shady neighborhoods to get it.
///Come on Illinois.


There are medical benefits, and theyve been vetted and researched thoroughly by the AMA AAN, and numberous other medical organizations (this study was funded by the DEA(. The thing is, just like with the anti-vaxxers, the anti-evolution people and the idiots in congress who don't believe in tectonic plates... the science is in... I'm tired of coddling the idioccy of people who simply don't believe in observable and reproducable results. We already knew that Marinol did not work the same as orally or inhaled marijuana, yet here's another study trying to conflate the two. I'm just farking tired of people railing about how their ignorance should carry the same weight as actual knowledge. We're getting dragged down legislatively and socially by morons who don't believe in math, it's time we stopped pretending that there are two sides to every story, that all of us are equal, and that everyone's "point" needs to be heard.
 
2012-12-23 11:30:51 AM  
I wonder how much of the "medical benefits" of smoking pot for some is really simply the placebo effect. You have enough people telling you that pot does such and such things to help relieve you of such and such symptoms, perhaps for some, the body acts accordingly even though there isn't any actual benefit from the pot.
 
2012-12-23 11:31:26 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: EVERYBODY PANIC: For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
[imageshack.us image 640x480]

I put that stuff around the house to kill bugs because it doesn't hurt pets. I'm a bit skeptical on health claims.


It's food grade. It's in some food products you buy. It also kills fleas and is non-chemical; completely natural.
 
2012-12-23 11:31:35 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: This is old news from the last century

Voting for legalizing pot or medicinal pot never really was about the :"medicinal" aspect, nor was it ever about raising tax money.


Nor was making it illegal in the first place about it being dangerous or a gateway drug. What's your point?
 
2012-12-23 11:32:59 AM  
braveraconteuse.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-23 11:33:05 AM  

Jake Havechek: Ibupofrin will stop or blunt most pain, vicodin and the like just turns you into a socially acceptable drug addict.


Yeah, tell that to my impacted wisdom tooth there, Seymore.
 
2012-12-23 11:33:36 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis


I'm glad that this was done so early in the thread. Close it up.

My grandmother had crippling arthritis in her last years. My cousin would bring her weed so she could put it in rubbing alcohol, and then rub it on her hands as a topical solution. It worked.
 
2012-12-23 11:34:18 AM  
The great thing about paying for a study is that you get to tell them what the results will be in advance.
 
2012-12-23 11:38:30 AM  

Azlefty: He adds: 'Our small-scale study, in a controlled setting, involved 12 healthy men and only one of many compounds that can be derived from cannabis. That's quite different from doing a study with patients.

While I know  the  prohibitionists will use this study as Gods proof,, this one line explains why it cannot be applied to marijuana for medical use, It is like declaring Chemotherapy a failure since a single drug does not eradicate cancer


The entire purpose of the article is to allow the hard of thinking adults with imaginary friends to have something to outrage at and go "see!"

It's kinda like the NRA saying most gun uses in the USA are defensive ... possibly, but only because of offensive ones in the first place. The USA has 40x the gun death rate of developed countries, and more guns won't help.
 
2012-12-23 11:38:31 AM  

takangar74: Subby you disgrace fark with you shiat articles please crawl back under the bridge troll


Lol y u mad tho?
 
2012-12-23 11:39:19 AM  
Oh motherfarking Ham Sandwich!

It's another article in which A) The subby didn't read/understand it, and B) a gaggle of non-scientists are punting around their opinions.

Holy fark. It's like a teetotaler reviewing the top 10 beers of 2012.
 
2012-12-23 11:39:30 AM  

Fluid: "The researchers found that an oral tablet of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, tended to make the experience of pain more bearable, rather than actually reduce the intensity of the pain."

That DOESN'T count as pain relief?


JHGDMFC... so not only does TFA ignore many of the benefits of cannabis, they actually refute their own central point?

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/DNRTFA
 
2012-12-23 11:40:34 AM  

TiiiMMMaHHH: [www.reefermadnessteachingmuseum.org image 413x607]


Have you learned nothing from history!?!


I'm not sure what to say about this. I'm going to talk to the family.
 
2012-12-23 11:40:46 AM  
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2012-12-23 11:41:19 AM  

mekki: I wonder how much of the "medical benefits" of smoking pot for some is really simply the placebo effect. You have enough people telling you that pot does such and such things to help relieve you of such and such symptoms, perhaps for some, the body acts accordingly even though there isn't any actual benefit from the pot.


We know enough about chemistry to know how pain receptors actually work. We know so damn much that pharmaceutical companies are making obscene profits on simple opioid drugs, especially from addicts and the black market. There is no voodoo mystery magic here. Pot is vilified because you can't just put some poppy plants in your backyard and make a batch of heroin. Weed is easy to grow. People who make their living by selling opioids have put themselves in a position where they can't fail unless we completely legalize cannabis.
 
2012-12-23 11:41:23 AM  

insano: Macular Degenerate: Before a scan, participants were given either a 15mg tablet of THC or a placebo. THC, or delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, is the active psychotropic compound in cannabis - the ingredient that's responsible for the high that drives recreational use of the drug.

"Hey, let's run a study with neurocannabinoids and act surprised when they don't work like Tylenol!"

What these "scientists" might look like:

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"The researchers found that an oral tablet of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, tended to make the experience of pain more bearable, rather than actually reduce the intensity of the pain"

Look, I can quote directly from the article too, except that my quote summarizes the main point of the article. See how that's done? You, on the other hand, wildly misinterpret the article and research and obviously have a ridiculous notion of what average pot users look like. You sound old... or high. Are you high?


And you sound young. And mildly immature. And bitter. Have another toke, and lighten up Francis

firedaily.com
 
2012-12-23 11:49:22 AM  

EbolaNYC: As someone who has used it in a couple cases where I had a painful injury and couldn't get to the doctor for a day or two for something stronger than aleve, I call bullshiat.


That doesn't contradict the study. They are saying the pain is still there, you just don't feel it as much. From a medical perspective, it doesn't reduce the pain. From a users perspective it does. From what I understand, the signals are all being sent and received in the brain to tell you to feel pain, but other parts of your brain just go "who cares" and ignore it.

Of course, as with all drugs, your mileage may vary as the exact impact of drugs are not constant though all people.
 
2012-12-23 11:51:10 AM  

Alonjar: Cannabinoids most definitely have analgesic properties...


In which case I am sure you can give us some peer-reviewed research from an institution as reputable as Oxford to back up the claim.
 
2012-12-23 11:54:18 AM  

Mouser: That depends on your definition of "relief". It apparently doesn't stop the pain; it just makes you too stoned to notice it. You can get the same relief from a fifth of Jack Daniels.


That is also how nitrous oxide (laughing gas) works. It doesn't reduce the sensations you feel, but you stop caring about them. Still pain relief.
 
2012-12-23 11:54:55 AM  
This study has several limitations that make it largely irrelevant to the medical marijuana debate: small sample size, testing only one of many active ingredients, including healthy subjects rather than subjects likely to be prescribed marijuana where allowed, etc.  Even then, it does suggest that there may be some medicinal benefit to THC (pain management is often just that - management - not evisceration), which is contrary to marijuana's schedule 1 classification.  In the authors' defense, however, this study was not designed to provide anything approaching a definitive answer, which anyone with more than a preschooler's capacity for reading comprehension would readily discern from the article.

tl;dr summary - if you would base your vote on this study, you're an imbecile
 
2012-12-23 12:01:41 PM  

matovichj: M11618: This isn't new. A lot/most perscription of pain killers are less effective than aspirin and Tylenol at actually reducing pain, they just get you stoned. Getting stoned is more fun than getting rid of pain. You may as well take a bunch of shots as take a Vicodin.

Heh, taking shots is actually better for my constant sciatica than vicodin. I know it's going to destroy my liver, but ironically, so will the vicodin.


Screw sciatica. Mine is not constant (thankfully, and I'm truly sorry for you) but when my L5S1 gets out of whack it is just short of gun in mouth unbearable.

Regarding the thread, all of you saying pot doesn't diminish pain but does make it more bearable are correct, at least in my case you are. But "more bearable" is precisely the point. As a notable side benefit, and I say this as a person who didn't smoke until my 30's and believed in the party line about evil weed, pot is truly good for the human mind. Certainly it can be overdone as can anything else, but used in appropriate moderation I am of the firm belief that it allows keener insight and understanding into the entirety of existence.

YMMV. Don't be an embarrassing incoherent stoner. No one likes that. Especially other smokers who get painted with the broad brush of your sad indulgent idiocy.
 
2012-12-23 12:03:52 PM  

radiumsoup: Yeah, but (correct me if I'm wrong) in the UK, your pharmacist can also prescribe drugs/compounds without you having to see a full-blown doctor first, too... much easier all around to get something for what ails you


Not quite. There are three categories of drugs here: over-the counter, pharmacist-only and prescription-only (there is actually small fourth, "controlled drugs" like heroin, MDMA and LSD which can be obtained for medical or research use but under even more stringent conditions.

Over the counter drugs can be bought by anyone, any time, with a few minor restrictions. There is a limit on the amount of paracetamol you can buy in one transaction, for example.

Pharmacist-only drugs can be bought without prescription, but only from or with permission from a qualified pharmacist.

Prescription-only drugs need a prescription (duh!) from someone trained and qualified to prescribe. As well as doctors, this includes dentists, some nurses and some pharmacists. I have never met a prescribing pharmacist, though, so either my experience is limited or there aren't many around yet. They only got prescribing powers three years ago, I think, and since they have to take training courses it will take a while for their numbers to be significant.
 
2012-12-23 12:06:05 PM  

Jarhead_h: Oh, dear gawd, why go to the trouble to make it into a pil?!?!?!?!?!? If you don't want to smoke, bake the leaf into a desert.


Because they are doing scientific research into the effects of one chemical, not developing recipes.
 
2012-12-23 12:10:06 PM  

dywed88: That doesn't contradict the study. They are saying the pain is still there, you just don't feel it as much. From a medical perspective, it doesn't reduce the pain. From a users perspective it does. From what I understand, the signals are all being sent and received in the brain to tell you to feel pain, but other parts of your brain just go "who cares" and ignore it.


Which can be a very good thing. For example, people with Parkinson's take L-Dopa to improve the connections between the nerves and the brain. Opiates reduce the effectiveness of connections between nerves and the brain, so if you give morphine to someone on L-Dopa they are liable to go back into full-blown Parkinson's, which is Not Nice. Since people with Parkinson's tend to be old, have brittle bones, fall over and break hips a lot, this is a real problem. Anything which can relieve pain without messing up the L-Dopa is a good thing.
 
2012-12-23 12:10:41 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: ParaHandy: When was the last time a stoner killed 20-odd children with weed?

Um, wtf are you getting pissy at me for? I think weed should be legalized. I think you should be able to grow your own in your backyard.

/But since you asked - Driving while intoxicated kills more people than guns in the U.S.


A recent report suggests that gun deaths will eclipse auto fatalities of all types by 2015. I think gun deaths already easily eclipse dui deaths.
 
2012-12-23 12:11:17 PM  

WhoaNelly: This study has several limitations that make it largely irrelevant to the medical marijuana debat


I suspect that it's as much a piece of research on brain imaging as on cannabis or pain relief.
 
2012-12-23 12:18:29 PM  
Alcohol doesn't cure cancer. Guess we should have figured that out before we repealed Prohibition I. Was that about the bass of your logic, Subby?
 
2012-12-23 12:20:28 PM  

St_Francis_P: I came in here to note that the headline does not accurately portray the contents of the linked article. What has Fark come to, I must ask?


Careful, now. Poor subby has a very difficult time understanding any kind of moderately advanced concept. We must not hurt subby's feelings.
 
2012-12-23 12:29:17 PM  

puffy999: In a world of intellectuals,


Dafuq? You stoned this early?
 
2012-12-23 12:33:34 PM  

lewismarktwo: Ctrl+F "CBD" = 0 results

That's some fine sciencin' there Lou.


To be fair, the scientists were studying one variable's effects. That's a good scientific method, especially when it comes to drug effects and human bodies which have countless uncontrollable variables.

The problem here is shiatty science journalism, which is sadly par for the course with science journalists.
 
2012-12-23 12:35:37 PM  
According to Subby : From the 'research that would've been good before people voted on it' file, THC levels in marijuana do nothing to actually reduce pain. So put that in your pipe

The first line in TFA say s "The pain relief offered by cannabis varies greatly between individuals"

These two things are not the same.
 
2012-12-23 12:38:08 PM  
I can't speak for the anti-pain aspects of the plant, but I do know that it relieves a TON of stress when I use it, making it easier for me to make more thoughtful and rational decisions on a regular basis. I also sleep better once I come down.

So yeah, I'll take cannabis over beer or pills any day.
 
2012-12-23 12:47:03 PM  

torusXL:
The problem here is shiatty science journalism, which is sadly par for the course with science journalists.


I consider myself a true expert in two fields - IT and computing, and cars. Whenever I read a mainstream media article on either, there is typically a fact error or misleading statement every 1-2 paragraphs. They also often badly abuse statistics to support their narrative. I can only assume the same holds for any other field they report on other than their own.

The goal of this article is to get people to make the mistaken conclusion that because one of the 400 ingredients in cannabis isn't a painkiller, medical cannabis has no benefits whatsoever. And they will. It's about as scientific as those "coffee / red wine / lard / etc. is good for you" articles.
 
2012-12-23 12:48:25 PM  

ParaHandy: Fluid: The researchers found that an oral tablet of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, tended to make the experience of pain more bearable, rather than actually reduce the intensity of the pain.

That DOESN'T count as pain relief?

This is how opiates work. They reduce suffering, not pain. Pain is irrelevant if there is no suffering.

The 500mg of Tylenol in your vicodin is an anti-inflammatory to reduce swelling and pain, the 5-10 mg of hydrocodone makes you happy enough not to care about the remainder.

The brain also makes its own cannabinoids.


Fascinating recent research actually indicates that Tylenol may work by the same mechanism that CBD receptors work to reduce pain.
 
2012-12-23 12:56:51 PM  

ParaHandy: The goal of this article is to get people to make the mistaken conclusion that because one of the 400 ingredients in cannabis isn't a painkiller, medical cannabis has no benefits whatsoever. And they will. It's about as scientific as those "coffee / red wine / lard / etc. is good for you" articles.


Good point, so with this article we're dealing with propaganda and/or someone's private agenda?

orbister: Alonjar: Cannabinoids most definitely have analgesic properties...

In which case I am sure you can give us some peer-reviewed research from an institution as reputable as Oxford to back up the claim.


*ahem*
Take a look at the link in my recent post, Sherlock.
 
2012-12-23 01:09:44 PM  
Also noted:


Marijuana does not make boring things more fun. It makes boring this more bearable.
 
2012-12-23 01:11:55 PM  

Herr Docktor Heinrich Wisenheimer: Fell In Love With a Chair: Steve Zodiac: Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis

How DARE you use verifiable facts in an argument!

BURN THE WITCH!!!

SMOKE HER!


Does anyone happen to have a duck?
 
2012-12-23 01:16:08 PM  

dywed88: EbolaNYC: As someone who has used it in a couple cases where I had a painful injury and couldn't get to the doctor for a day or two for something stronger than aleve, I call bullshiat.

That doesn't contradict the study. They are saying the pain is still there, you just don't feel it as much. From a medical perspective, it doesn't reduce the pain. From a users perspective it does. From what I understand, the signals are all being sent and received in the brain to tell you to feel pain, but other parts of your brain just go "who cares" and ignore it.

Of course, as with all drugs, your mileage may vary as the exact impact of drugs are not constant though all people.


One active cannibinoid out of the hundred some things in marijuana, and still the most definitive thing they could say about it is that it will only work for some people, not all people. Given the relatively limited health risks, and the abundance of larger sample sized studies indicating the efficacy of the drug, combined with the analysis of the AAN and AMA, it's high time the government stop pretending that marijuana has no legitimate medical use. As an MS patient, and someone whose neurologist graduated third in his class from Johns Hopkins, between the personal use and the data, I'm pretty confident that I know more about what marijuana does than the Senate or Congress.
 
2012-12-23 01:26:07 PM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
[imageshack.us image 640x480]


Art thou trolling? Or...
 
2012-12-23 01:27:10 PM  

gangrel_pri: I will say that after being diagnosed as diabetic back in 2006, I've had to avoid any exposure to the stuff. It makes my BGL drop through the floor and vomit off balconies.

However, not my place to tell people they can't use it if it works better for them.

/I still laugh at the idea of MJ being anti-nausea though. Most of my old neighborhood would beg to differ.


i.qkme.me
 
2012-12-23 01:27:51 PM  

Herr Docktor Heinrich Wisenheimer: Fell In Love With a Chair: Steve Zodiac: Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis

How DARE you use verifiable facts in an argument!

BURN THE WITCH!!!

SMOKE HER!


oi39.tinypic.com
SMOKE YOU!
 
2012-12-23 01:35:51 PM  

rocketpants: EVERYBODY PANIC: For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
[imageshack.us image 640x480]

You're eating tiny shards of glass.  This causes pain relief?  No.  That's quackery.  Stop being a sucker.



It's a generic version of Obecalp.
 
2012-12-23 01:54:27 PM  
If we ban weed and guns society will be perfect. If we save one life, just one life, it will be worth it.
 
2012-12-23 02:06:40 PM  
what your telling me cannabis is not kratom/opioid like?? isn't that a GREAT THING???
 
2012-12-23 02:14:09 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.


Helps cancer and AIDS patients with their appetites too.
 
2012-12-23 02:17:41 PM  
And the purpose of alcohol is?
 
2012-12-23 02:27:11 PM  

Maul555: gangrel_pri: I will say that after being diagnosed as diabetic back in 2006, I've had to avoid any exposure to the stuff. It makes my BGL drop through the floor and vomit off balconies.

However, not my place to tell people they can't use it if it works better for them.

/I still laugh at the idea of MJ being anti-nausea though. Most of my old neighborhood would beg to differ.

[i.qkme.me image 604x453]


Aside from most people drinking in conjunction with weed (and thereby getting skewed experience), it is possible to swallow smoke when using a blunt or a bong or the like and it can cause you to upchuck the boogie. This usually only happens when you are trying to get as much smoke in as possible to avoid looking like a lightweight or because you're greedy.
 
2012-12-23 02:30:19 PM  
Marijuana should be legal because we are adults who have the right to use naturally occurring plants in any way we see fit. fark your bullshiat studies. It's going to be legal. Get over it you fascist farks.
 
2012-12-23 02:42:18 PM  

lewismarktwo: Maul555: gangrel_pri: I will say that after being diagnosed as diabetic back in 2006, I've had to avoid any exposure to the stuff. It makes my BGL drop through the floor and vomit off balconies.

However, not my place to tell people they can't use it if it works better for them.

/I still laugh at the idea of MJ being anti-nausea though. Most of my old neighborhood would beg to differ.

[i.qkme.me image 604x453]

Aside from most people drinking in conjunction with weed (and thereby getting skewed experience), it is possible to swallow smoke when using a blunt or a bong or the like and it can cause you to upchuck the boogie. This usually only happens when you are trying to get as much smoke in as possible to avoid looking like a lightweight or because you're greedy.



"Skewed experience" = getting droned. Haven't done that since college.

The worst part of swallowing smoke isn't the risk of puking, it's the risk of belching up a big fragrant cloud at a socially inappropriate moment.
 
drp
2012-12-23 02:55:38 PM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
[imageshack.us image 640x480]


Pay attention kids, this is how you troll.

/ kids got no subtlety these days
 
2012-12-23 02:57:33 PM  
I don't give a fark what you assholes think, or what the nation or the world thinks. I smoke weed because I LIKE TO AND IT FEELS GOOD. I LIKE DRUGS. fark all of you, fark whether or not it becomes legal or NOT. I don't need your support or your farking lame ass blessing.

I've held a very good job full time for over 15 years, and I've smoked almost that entire time. I'm a fully responsible, tax paying citizen that stays out of trouble. And by the looks of the mockery a lot of you are displaying regarding Marijuana, you have NO farking idea what it's about. You little entitled shiats, are brainwashed in to thinking Marijuana makes you stupid, or lazy.

My father smoked a lot more than I do, he held an amazing job for 30 years, raised an entire family and retired with a beautiful pension. fark all of you, you've lived most of your pathetic short lives THROUGH the Internet, you have no farking clue what real life is, you just know what you read that some other asshole 21 year old wrote on the Internet.
 
2012-12-23 03:00:58 PM  

St_Francis_P: I came in here to note that the headline does not accurately portray the contents of the linked article. What has Fark come to, I must ask?


maybe fark is one of the many websites and media outlets that get $$ from the Big Booze industry to denigrate marijuana at every opportunity?
 
2012-12-23 03:04:02 PM  

EyeHateOnlineIdiots: St_Francis_P: I came in here to note that the headline does not accurately portray the contents of the linked article. What has Fark come to, I must ask?

maybe fark is one of the many websites and media outlets that get $$ from the Big Booze industry to denigrate marijuana at every opportunity?


Maybe, although a simpler explanation is they like troll threads for the web hits.
 
2012-12-23 03:05:55 PM  

Fluid: The researchers found that an oral tablet of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, tended to make the experience of pain more bearable, rather than actually reduce the intensity of the pain.

That DOESN'T count as pain relief?


I guess if you come at it from that angle, its wrong...
 
2012-12-23 03:18:16 PM  
Read the article, people. It is about isolated THC in pill form, and claims that it makes pain "more bearable". So, it is still useful for pain management, for some people.
 
2012-12-23 03:47:22 PM  
Even if it had no medicinal effects at all, something should not be illegal just because it makes people happy.
 
2012-12-23 04:27:03 PM  
It may not deal directly with the pain, but it sure as hell makes you care less about the pain, which is almost as good.
 
2012-12-23 04:33:43 PM  

torusXL: Good point, so with this article we're dealing with propaganda and/or someone's private agenda?


Or maybe with reputable scientific research which you think doesn't match your preconceptions?
 
2012-12-23 04:36:12 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis


For those of us who have Hodgkins Lymphoma, stage 4 (AKA terminally ill), well, we would like to have a discussion with those researchers who don't deal with throwing up every single farking thing you eat...chemo or no.

/thank you for playing.
//please don't come back.
 
2012-12-23 05:06:51 PM  

St_Francis_P: I came in here to note that the headline does not accurately portray the contents of the linked article. What has Fark come to, I must ask?


This isn't a humor site anymore. It is a troll site.
 
2012-12-23 05:16:31 PM  
Cannabis is, in fact, wonderfully effective in killing muscle aches.

/ymmv
 
2012-12-23 05:53:44 PM  

ParaHandy: radiumsoup: ThrobblefootSpectre: Rueened: /can we start jailing the losers now?

Why? Unless they kill someone in a car accident, there's no point. It just costs tax money. Let them have their fix, like alcoholics. Ignore them.

I agree. Same goes for guns.

/just making sure we're being consistent here on discussing the merits of liberty

When was the last time a stoner killed 20-odd children with weed? The fact that machine guns[1] are legal and weed is not is ridiculous.

[1] in the common vernacular of every country but the US, an AR-15 is a machine gun. So is an AK-47. The NRA can fark off.


It's impressive how proud you are about being absolutely wrong about something because of some vague idea you assume you share with a bunch of other people.
 
2012-12-23 06:07:15 PM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
[imageshack.us image 640x480]


I got constipated from eating it. Snorting worked way better for me.
 
2012-12-23 06:12:00 PM  

firefly212: dywed88: EbolaNYC: As someone who has used it in a couple cases where I had a painful injury and couldn't get to the doctor for a day or two for something stronger than aleve, I call bullshiat.

That doesn't contradict the study. They are saying the pain is still there, you just don't feel it as much. From a medical perspective, it doesn't reduce the pain. From a users perspective it does. From what I understand, the signals are all being sent and received in the brain to tell you to feel pain, but other parts of your brain just go "who cares" and ignore it.

Of course, as with all drugs, your mileage may vary as the exact impact of drugs are not constant though all people.

One active cannibinoid out of the hundred some things in marijuana, and still the most definitive thing they could say about it is that it will only work for some people, not all people. Given the relatively limited health risks, and the abundance of larger sample sized studies indicating the efficacy of the drug, combined with the analysis of the AAN and AMA, it's high time the government stop pretending that marijuana has no legitimate medical use. As an MS patient, and someone whose neurologist graduated third in his class from Johns Hopkins, between the personal use and the data, I'm pretty confident that I know more about what marijuana does than the Senate or Congress.


I am not defending the article, it is misleading as hell. But the research they cited is probably accurate. It is just presented in such a way as to imply something more (i.e. medical marijuana doesn't work) which is definitely wrong. They did mention the limitations of the study, at least, which is better than a great many articles.
 
2012-12-23 06:26:09 PM  

Macular Degenerate: Before a scan, participants were given either a 15mg tablet of THC or a placebo. THC, or delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, is the active psychotropic compound in cannabis - the ingredient that's responsible for the high that drives recreational use of the drug.

"Hey, let's run a study with neurocannabinoids and act surprised when they don't work like Tylenol!"

What these "scientists" might look like:


Um ime it is always tge potheads saying pot is the sum of its parts. The anti pot crowd is the one saying "just use thc pills durr hur"
 
2012-12-23 07:19:04 PM  

Melvin Lovecraft: The Irresponsible Captain: EVERYBODY PANIC: For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
[imageshack.us image 640x480]

I put that stuff around the house to kill bugs because it doesn't hurt pets. I'm a bit skeptical on health claims.

It's food grade. It's in some food products you buy. It also kills fleas and is non-chemical; completely natural.


Hello Melvin. I just tossed that in to a discussion on pain remediation, expecting the other responses. Didn't bother to reply to them, as they are simply uneducated on this stuff. Shocked only that anybody understood what it is and does. Plus one for you.

FOOD GRADE DE is not made of "little shards of glass", but of tubular shaped microscopic skeletons of diatoms from fresh water sources. Don't want to go into the long story, but I am today healthier than at age 25 (now 55) and have more energy and - am totally pain free. Being diabetic, I was facing the inevitable gangrene toes and resulting amputation, but now my arteries are scraped clean and my feet are warm again. I'm a new man, simple as that, and nothing the doctors ever offered was going to save my feet or improve my condition.

Non-food grade stuff is indeed bad stuff, but food grade DE is awesome. And since it is already in the food supply, those commenters above have been eating bits of it their whole lives. The more you know...
 
2012-12-23 07:22:23 PM  

Burke Turkey: EVERYBODY PANIC: For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
[imageshack.us image 640x480]

Art thou trolling? Or...


The stuff saved my life. Pain remediation aside, I'm a diabetic who already had two heart attacks and faced certain amputation of the feet due to diabetic circulatory nighmares. Now pain free with perfect circulation. Not trolling. Now strolling! Fully intend to go do the Appalachian Trail for my 60th birthday.
 
2012-12-23 07:23:05 PM  

Jarhead_h: "Fom the 'research that would've been good before people voted on it' file, THC levels in marijuana do nothing to actually reduce pain. So put that in your pipe"

Which is obviously why those on mj can still function as a normal person and those on the heavy meds are brain dead zombies that might as wll be dead anyway. Got it, thanks.


I wonder if some other ingredient in marijuana is working to suppress pain. In any case I think marijuana should be legalized for all.
 
2012-12-23 07:26:05 PM  

drp: EVERYBODY PANIC: For pain relief, I used food grade diatomaceous earht back in early June, 2012. Awesome results. In five days, all my chronic aches went away and I to this day remain pain free.
[imageshack.us image 640x480]

Pay attention kids, this is how you troll.

/ kids got no subtlety these days


I am a 55 year old diabetic with all the complications which that means. I did exactly what I stated and have had the exact results I claimed. I have no incentive to lie to you or anybody else. But I do appreciate being called a kid, so thanks for that. Sorry I'm so late to reply, but I had to work today.
 
2012-12-23 08:05:12 PM  

orbister: torusXL: Good point, so with this article we're dealing with propaganda and/or someone's private agenda?

Or maybe with reputable scientific research which you think doesn't match your preconceptions?


If you'd bothered to pull your head out of your ass and read all I said, you'd see that I'm referring to the journalist, not the scientists.
 
2012-12-23 08:14:51 PM  
I thought they measured how well a pain reliever worked by how long it took a mouse to jump off a heated plate.

Now it matters if they jump off because of the pain level or because they don't mind the pain as much?
 
2012-12-23 08:15:44 PM  

SwiftFox: I thought they measured how well a pain reliever worked by how long it took a mouse to jump off a heated plate.

Now it matters if they jump off because of the pain level or because they don't mind the pain as much?


i think in either case, your better off with aspirin, something that doesn't effect your CNS
 
2012-12-23 09:29:51 PM  
I wish it was legal in my state but Hell will freeze over before my state does that.

It would be nice to be able to lessen my migraines without taking medication that knocks me out for 6+ hours.
 
2012-12-23 09:56:24 PM  

jjwars1: Bathia_Mapes: Some of those who use medical marijuana don't use it for pain relief. They use it because it helps with things like the side effects of chemo, such as nausea.

For those with glaucoma marijuana decreases the pressure inside the eye. That may slow the progression of the disease, preventing blindness.

For some people it helps controls epileptic seizures.

It's been shown to relieve certain symptoms from multiple sclerosis

It also helps with migraines. I guess those aren't considered painful though.


I find a smoke helps with migraines, but I associate the feeling with cannabinol not THC. Basically the stuff that makes you sleepy not the stuff that makes you trip. I think it may be a secondary effect of something else - like changing cerebral blood flow.
 
2012-12-23 10:37:37 PM  
When you're high, you don't notice things as much, pain included. Doesn't matter if the pain is actually reduced; net effect is one of perceived pain relief.
 
2012-12-23 11:35:27 PM  
Can we bring back alcohol prohibition please? All alcohol use leads to violent drunks beating their wives, abusing their children and fighting in the streets like Irish immigrants.

What do stupid, belligerent, violent drunks do for our society? Bunch of wife beating, child raping, jobless farks. Beer = fear. The fear your wife feels knowing your worthless alcoholic ass is going to beat her again.
 
2012-12-23 11:46:08 PM  

Ow My Balls: I tried pot for the first time when I was 35 and maybe partake 3 or 4 times a year socially. I love it. It beats the hell out of getting drunk in many ways. Meanwhile, I carry on with my life responsibly as if nothing happened...which is essentially true.

What my better-late-than never foray into marijuana has done, more than anything, is open my eyes fully to the degree at which people in power lie about it for ulterior motives. Furthermore, I don't need to see these sorts of studies. Legalize it for recreational use. Now. Lots of things that are less than 100% healthy for you are legal to freely use...for good reason.

Can anyone tell me a good reason why it's necessary to ruin a marijuana user's life through illegality?


Perfectly rational. The question is, can you get their leader to say it. Because that's what it will take. Once something has been labeled in the same category with other more destructive drugs it takes a great deal of potential to move that preconception once you've established it. Short of forcing everyone to a point of rationality the same way you came to yours I think we need some people in higher leadership positions to give those that trust them a reason to reconsider, publicly.

It is so obviously wrong, and yet we continue.
 
2012-12-24 12:40:35 AM  
But THC will make you stupid enough you don't notice
 
2012-12-24 02:14:51 AM  
Not new news. I stated this a couple threads back. In my various experiences in health care, marijuana has not helped the majority of people who have admitted they tried it for pain (mainly neurological pain such as that related to physical injury and multiple sclerosis).

It does seem to help people with what are politely called "conversion disorders" (mental disorder converted into physical pain) and non-specific unprovable possibly non-existent somatoform disorders like fibromyalgia, because of the placebo effect and anti-anxiety effect. Of course, a round of antidepressants, some cognitive behavioural therapy, and a bit of "alternative" therapy (i.e. give the patient some warm fuzzies) generally work just as well in these kinds of pain conditions so that's not high praise for marijuana.

And once again, stoners stop impeding the progress of medical marijuana by trying to piggyback your drug habit onto it. Just stand loud and proud and say "I like to get farked up, my drug of choice is marijuana, and I want it to be legal". Stop pretending you give a damn about the sick people you're using as a shield. You are damaging their cause.

/Fibromyalgia is doctor speak for "farked if I know, give her some drugs and get her out of my office before I slap the whiny coont"
 
2012-12-24 02:27:33 AM  

if_i_really_have_to: a round of antidepressants, some cognitive behavioural therapy, and a bit of "alternative" therapy (i.e. give the patient some warm fuzzies) generally work just as well


And costs ten times as much.

Cannabis has improved the quality of my life.  That makes it good medicine.
 
2012-12-24 05:20:13 AM  
Wait, what's this? I... i never imagined the ramifications of this earth shattering study. You mean to tell me... that... that drugs affect people differently? Witchcraft.  Balderdash. Shenigans. I think even a little Tomfooerly is lumped in there
 
drp
2012-12-24 08:48:55 AM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: I am a 55 year old diabetic with all the complications which that means. I did exactly what I stated and have had the exact results I claimed. I have no incentive to lie to you or anybody else. But I do appreciate being called a kid, so thanks for that. Sorry I'm so late to reply, but I had to work today.


My apologies. There must be some corollary to Poe's Law along the lines of

"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of snake-oil-quackery that someone won't mistake for the real thing."

I suppose I should've figured that there really are people out there who think eating superfine homeopathic dirt actually cures their ills. But I'm glad your placebo makes you feel better.

/ disappointed that you weren't really trolling :-)
 
2012-12-24 11:11:03 AM  

drp: EVERYBODY PANIC: I am a 55 year old diabetic with all the complications which that means. I did exactly what I stated and have had the exact results I claimed. I have no incentive to lie to you or anybody else. But I do appreciate being called a kid, so thanks for that. Sorry I'm so late to reply, but I had to work today.

My apologies. There must be some corollary to Poe's Law along the lines of

"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of snake-oil-quackery that someone won't mistake for the real thing."

I suppose I should've figured that there really are people out there who think eating superfine homeopathic dirt actually cures their ills. But I'm glad your placebo makes you feel better.

/ disappointed that you weren't really trolling :-)


Don't knock the placebo effect.
'Tis a wonderous thing when used correctly.
 
2012-12-24 11:12:48 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: But THC will make you stupid enough you don't notice


Just another unsubstantiated derp.
Maybe an opinion from the uneducated, can't tell.

/are you experienced???
 
2012-12-24 11:22:28 AM  
"Medical" marijuana is a mockery of medicine. It isn't. If the people would be sincere and just say legalize it, I would have more respect for their nonsense. And be high. But sure, some things seem less irritating high,or drunk or tripping balls. But there isn't any medicinal value. Just legalize the stuff and be done with this farce.
 
2012-12-24 11:50:26 AM  

Proteios1: "Medical" marijuana is a mockery of medicine. It isn't. If the people would be sincere and just say legalize it, I would have more respect for their nonsense. And be high. But sure, some things seem less irritating high,or drunk or tripping balls. But there isn't any medicinal value. Just legalize the stuff and be done with this farce.


Granted a lot of Hippies claim it's a cure-all and some use it as a platform for complete legalization. However, you can't deny it's efficacy for cancer, glaucoma, and severe pain management.

You know what they give people for severe pain management? Oxycotin, which is far more addictive than pot yet is completely legal.

I work at a Mental Heath and Addictions Hospital and our methadone clinics are not full of Heroin Addicts, it's Oxycotin and similar medication addicts.

My Aunt had a 50lbs box fall on her head, resulting in horrible injuries and lots of surgeries. The doctors gave her Oxycotin to cope with the horrible pain, now she's addicted and has to go through methadone treatment. But it's legal!

Pot can be addicting, no doubts about it, but to the severity of legal Oxycotin and similar drugs.
 
2012-12-24 12:07:38 PM  

shortymac: Proteios1: "Medical" marijuana is a mockery of medicine. It isn't. If the people would be sincere and just say legalize it, I would have more respect for their nonsense. And be high. But sure, some things seem less irritating high,or drunk or tripping balls. But there isn't any medicinal value. Just legalize the stuff and be done with this farce.

Granted a lot of Hippies claim it's a cure-all and some use it as a platform for complete legalization. However, you can't deny it's efficacy for cancer, glaucoma, and severe pain management.

You know what they give people for severe pain management? Oxycotin, which is far more addictive than pot yet is completely legal.

I work at a Mental Heath and Addictions Hospital and our methadone clinics are not full of Heroin Addicts, it's Oxycotin and similar medication addicts.

My Aunt had a 50lbs box fall on her head, resulting in horrible injuries and lots of surgeries. The doctors gave her Oxycotin to cope with the horrible pain, now she's addicted and has to go through methadone treatment. But it's legal!

Pot can be addicting, no doubts about it, but to the severity of legal Oxycotin and similar drugs.



Backin the day, we used antihistamines in conjunction with the opiates to potnentiate(magnify) the pain relief, lower dosage and lengthen time a patient could use opiates before heavy addiction set in.
Now, not so much. Go figure. If I was a paranoid type, I could make a case or two.
Using Canibinoids to potentiate opioids is sorta a no brainer unless you have a good financial, sociopathic reason not to.
 
2012-12-24 12:44:13 PM  

insano: Macular Degenerate: Before a scan, participants were given either a 15mg tablet of THC or a placebo. THC, or delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, is the active psychotropic compound in cannabis - the ingredient that's responsible for the high that drives recreational use of the drug.

"Hey, let's run a study with neurocannabinoids and act surprised when they don't work like Tylenol!"

What these "scientists" might look like:

[www.x929.ca image 600x450]

"The researchers found that an oral tablet of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, tended to make the experience of pain more bearable, rather than actually reduce the intensity of the pain"

Look, I can quote directly from the article too, except that my quote summarizes the main point of the article. See how that's done? You, on the other hand, wildly misinterpret the article and research and obviously have a ridiculous notion of what average pot users look like. You sound old... or high. Are you high?


No, that poster is just stupid. It's endocannabinoids, not neurocannabinoids, for starters.

What a real stoner scientist might look like:

i.imgur.com

/keeping this population fed one advance at a time
//smoke every day to relieve the chronic pain caused by having large parts of the skeleton outright replaced
 
2012-12-24 01:43:13 PM  

shortymac: Proteios1: "Medical" marijuana is a mockery of medicine. It isn't. If the people would be sincere and just say legalize it, I would have more respect for their nonsense. And be high. But sure, some things seem less irritating high,or drunk or tripping balls. But there isn't any medicinal value. Just legalize the stuff and be done with this farce.

Granted a lot of Hippies claim it's a cure-all and some use it as a platform for complete legalization. However, you can't deny it's efficacy for cancer, glaucoma, and severe pain management.

You know what they give people for severe pain management? Oxycotin, which is far more addictive than pot yet is completely legal.

I work at a Mental Heath and Addictions Hospital and our methadone clinics are not full of Heroin Addicts, it's Oxycotin and similar medication addicts.

My Aunt had a 50lbs box fall on her head, resulting in horrible injuries and lots of surgeries. The doctors gave her Oxycotin to cope with the horrible pain, now she's addicted and has to go through methadone treatment. But it's legal!

Pot can be addicting, no doubts about it, but to the severity of legal Oxycotin and similar drugs.


i think u mean OxyContin

why u gotta mispell things biatch
 
2012-12-25 05:36:05 AM  

maelstrom0370: doglover: Jake Havechek: Ibupofrin will stop or blunt most pain,

Well, somebody's never felt real pain in his life. You might be lucky and just have deadened nerves or high tolerance. Or, and I hope you're sitting, you just haven't felt pain yet. I really hope either way you die old and happy without ever feeling something ibuprofen couldn't help.

Broke my leg in two places a few years ago (tib/fib fracture). After getting a metal rod put in, I went through 3 different prescription pain meds (Vicodin, Demoral and Tylenol 3) trying to find something that actually worked. Even tried a little Oxy but that just made me not care that it hurt. Found that plain ol' Motrin (OTC dosage) did more for my pain than any of those.


Kinda different from my experience. After tearing my meniscus and the subsequent stint on percoset. I found that in the times when my knee was giving me trouble(making it hard to walk) a few Vicodin really took away the pain and let me continue to work.
OTC beside Alieve really do nothing for me and from a financial standpoint it's cheaper for me to get scripts than OTC meds.
 
2012-12-25 08:49:26 AM  
Which i exactly why we have and regularly a multitude of slightly different drugs. Everybody reacts in a different way to different drugs. My grandmother recently had major health issues and she spent far longer in the hospital with them playing around with the drugs and proportions so that they wouldn't kill her (all just trial and error) than she spent being treated.
 
2012-12-25 09:38:24 AM  

firefly212: Hi, as an MS patient, I feel better qualified to speak to this subject... ask whatever questions you have about the relationship between mj and MS...


No thanks, I had friends who smoked a lot of dope when they were 14 and I heard all the arguments for legalization and I worked for the NMSS for a number of years and had to read most of the medical research about pot and MS to write articles. If it works for you, great, but pot is up there with the procarin patch and noni juice in terms of causes carried by quack self-medication theories by people afraid of BIG PHARMA.
 
2012-12-25 10:12:05 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: firefly212: Hi, as an MS patient, I feel better qualified to speak to this subject... ask whatever questions you have about the relationship between mj and MS...

No thanks, I had friends who smoked a lot of dope when they were 14 and I heard all the arguments for legalization and I worked for the NMSS for a number of years and had to read most of the medical research about pot and MS to write articles. If it works for you, great, but pot is up there with the procarin patch and noni juice in terms of causes carried by quack self-medication theories by people afraid of BIG PHARMA.


Wow, this thread is still alive? Impressive.

Hope firefly212 is doing well. Hope whatever works for him remains available. On the other side of the coin, I greatly respect medical researchers, even the ones who dismiss alternative therapies. Progress is cumulative, and everybody pushes us forward towards a better understanding of health. Not only the insiders; not only the outsiders.
 
2012-12-26 06:58:37 PM  

dywed88: Which i exactly why we have and regularly a multitude of slightly different drugs. Everybody reacts in a different way to different drugs. My grandmother recently had major health issues and she spent far longer in the hospital with them playing around with the drugs and proportions so that they wouldn't kill her (all just trial and error) than she spent being treated.


I have a grandchild I don't know about yet?

Son?
 
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