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(The Daily Beast)   Attendance at NFL games is down because rather than paying the cost of a root canal to sit in a drafty stadium miles from the action we prefer to lodge our fat asses in front of glorious 50-inch HDTVs at home with cheap food and beer at arm's length   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 100
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2012-12-23 05:06:21 AM
In other news, attendance at NHL games is down because SCREW YOU, HOCKEY FANS.

/I don't hate many people, but I hate Gary Bettman.
 
2012-12-23 07:48:59 AM
Duh. A couple of years ago I went to watch a movie in a theater (first time in forever). I discovered that my home theater sound system is WAY better than the theater's, my seating is more comfortable, my popcorn is cheaper, there are no noisy strangers in my living room, and, in the theater, they won't pause the movie when I have to take a whiz. Won't be going back.
 
2012-12-23 08:11:11 AM
It's kind of a shame in that I'll never take my kids to see a game in the general seating areas. But the game sort of sucks live anyways at the pro level. Watching the game with my FIL OTOH can be daunting as well. He's not very good with the remote and likes to do his own replays on controversial calls. He is a Buckeye fan (I know, not pro) and we all know what Buckeye fans are like during justabout any game. Fortunately, he's been getting press passes to a lot of games so I don't have to decline when invited to his place.
/not fat
//csb
 
2012-12-23 08:54:46 AM
Last pro game I went to was two years ago. I forgot the exact amounts, but between tickets and 4 beers, ended up somewhere north of $600.

Got to sit in front of some joker blowing a horn all afternoon. My wife ended up getting beer spilled on her by a drunk, and on the way out out of the stadium, we had to wait 20 minutes for the police to arrest two groups of "fans" who got in a fight.

And the Seachickens lost by 34 points. In the rain.
 
2012-12-23 09:00:05 AM

OregonVet: It's kind of a shame in that I'll never take my kids to see a game in the general seating areas. But the game sort of sucks live anyways at the pro level. Watching the game with my FIL OTOH can be daunting as well. He's not very good with the remote and likes to do his own replays on controversial calls. He is a Buckeye fan (I know, not pro) and we all know what Buckeye fans are like during justabout any game. Fortunately, he's been getting press passes to a lot of games so I don't have to decline when invited to his place.
/not fat
//csb


That's the largest amount of smarmy, "I'm better than you" douchebaggery I've ever seen in a football post.
 
2012-12-23 09:27:45 AM
If there's anything at which you excel, it's douchebaggery. It's not about unwashed masses; it's about their behavior. How would preventing one's little kids from seeing that come across as insincere?
 
2012-12-23 09:45:31 AM

OregonVet: If there's anything at which you excel, it's douchebaggery. It's not about unwashed masses; it's about their behavior. How would preventing one's little kids from seeing that come across as insincere?


I would have to agree that there's a lot of implied douchebaggery.  You said you wouldn't take them to see a game in the "general seating area".  God forbid they should have to interact with the small business owners and other corporate types who hang out there.
 
2012-12-23 09:59:58 AM
Easy solution - local blackouts

That'll get the fans into the seats
 
2012-12-23 10:00:11 AM

notmtwain: You said you wouldn't take them to see a game in the "general seating area". God forbid they should have to interact with the small business owners and other corporate types who hang out there.


Well, mostly I go to Browns games. That should speak for itself.
 
2012-12-23 10:10:57 AM

Dead for Tax Reasons: Easy solution - local blackouts

That'll get the fans into the seats


The NFL blackout rule has been in effect since 1973.  (although they did relax the rules recently)

It doesn't make anyone go to the games.  In most cases, the team will buy up the seats needed since TV revenue is where they make the majority of their money.
 
2012-12-23 11:01:52 AM
If I wanted to (and were in the state), I could get two seats on the 50 yard line in the 36th row for the Chiefs game versus the Colts today for $75 bucks a piece on Stubhub. $200 (adding in estimated parking + beer + food) is a little less than a root canal I think.
 
2012-12-23 11:09:33 AM
Actually I stopped giving a shiat about watching football when the NFL showed they weren't serious about preventing concussions. Too many suicides for me to ever let my son play.
 
2012-12-23 11:10:31 AM

Serious Black: If I wanted to (and were in the state), I could get two seats on the 50 yard line in the 36th row for the Chiefs game versus the Colts today for $75 bucks a piece on Stubhub. $200 (adding in estimated parking + beer + food) is a little less than a root canal I think.


Serious Black: If I wanted to (and were in the state), I could get two seats on the 50 yard line in the 36th row for the Chiefs game versus the Colts today for $75 bucks a piece on Stubhub. $200 (adding in estimated parking + beer + food) is a little less than a root canal I think.


I think the Keyword here is "Chiefs"
 
2012-12-23 11:12:12 AM
NFL games are terrible in person. At home you don't notice all the stoppages as much because you get up to pee or make food, but in the stadium each one is glaringly obvious and it's awful.

Hockey and soccer are the only sports I like seeing in person.
 
2012-12-23 11:13:36 AM
You mean I get to control my own environment as I only have to deal with my a-hole self instead of thousands of drunk d-bags, it's a constant 68 degrees and eight bucks gets me a six-pack instead of one Budweiser (or worse)?  And my views will be up close and in HD? I think that's the winning proposition.

That said, I'm going to the Broncos vs. Browns game today in upper-30s temps in Denver (tickets for my birthday).  Look for me. I will be wearing orange.
 
2012-12-23 11:19:18 AM
They'll never go for this, but it would be nice to be able to buy a ticket to a blacked-out game and stream it online.

Two years ago you used to be able to use a foreign proxy and buy the single day package for $35 to stream whatever game you wanted.  Wish that still worked.
 
2012-12-23 11:26:20 AM
I've been to Raiders games in L.A. and Oakland, and they were fun despite the place being shiatty. Also went to Giants games at Candlestick, and that place was an even bigger craphole. This weekend I went to Cowboys Stadium(for the first time) for the Texas high school football championships, and that place is just simply awesome. It's definitely on my plans to go to a Cowboys game next season. The prices are outrageous, but that experience can't take place at home. A critique I have though is you do end up staring more at that giant video screen more than the field. It's very hard not to.
 
2012-12-23 11:26:52 AM
Now if only we could see the games we want to see instead of being stuck with whatever crap game is being "broadcast." And no, not by paying $300 to DirecTV.
 
2012-12-23 11:29:53 AM

cmackchase: Serious Black: If I wanted to (and were in the state), I could get two seats on the 50 yard line in the 36th row for the Chiefs game versus the Colts today for $75 bucks a piece on Stubhub. $200 (adding in estimated parking + beer + food) is a little less than a root canal I think.

Serious Black: If I wanted to (and were in the state), I could get two seats on the 50 yard line in the 36th row for the Chiefs game versus the Colts today for $75 bucks a piece on Stubhub. $200 (adding in estimated parking + beer + food) is a little less than a root canal I think.

I think the Keyword here is "Chiefs"


It's true. The Chiefs are, at best, a JV middle school football team this year.
 
2012-12-23 11:30:04 AM
So they replaced bleachers with luxury boxes and attendance is down? Huh. Surprising.
 
2012-12-23 11:30:29 AM
Getting ready to head over to Lambeau in about an hour. Ten minute walk from home. Two tickets were a gift from friend who cant go today. Beer, food, and charcoal to grill, eat, and drink from home. Probably by a couple beers at the game, so looking at around 20 bucks. 30 counting food and beer at home. Look for me. I will be wearing green.
 
2012-12-23 11:30:31 AM
When it's the second quarter and the Rams are already out of it I can switch to something else. If I was at the game I would have to justify the time and expense and sit there for the entire time. Bad football sucks in person or on T.V.
 
2012-12-23 11:32:29 AM
Thanks to the NHL lockout, i have since given up my Rangers season tickets. They knew a lockout was coming, but this summer they still sent me an invoice for a 30% raise for the same seats. In seven years, the price has gone up more than double.

At home on HD is fine for me, or if i want a 'group atmosphere" i can go to a bar and watch with other fans just as passionate, and get better food and beer for cheaper to boot.

They have made it a challenge to enjoy their product. Thats a shiatty business model.
 
2012-12-23 11:33:20 AM

Kornchex: They'll never go for this, but it would be nice to be able to buy a ticket to a blacked-out game and stream it online.

Two years ago you used to be able to use a foreign proxy and buy the single day package for $35 to stream whatever game you wanted.  Wish that still worked.


I just wish they had an online streaming option equal in quality and cost to MLB. With baseball, I can pay around $100 a year and watch nearly every out of market game on almost any device I feel like.

Sunday Ticket is still incredibly overpriced and tied into DirecTV, although they have expanded slightly into other hardware like the PS3.
 
2012-12-23 11:34:14 AM

Swoop1809: NFL games are terrible in person. At home you don't notice all the stoppages as much because you get up to pee or make food, but in the stadium each one is glaringly obvious and it's awful.

Hockey and soccer are the only sports I like seeing in person.


I've never been to any NFL, NHL, NBA or MLS games; hell, haven't even set foot in Gillette yet (other than Patriot Place, which is, of course, frickin' sweet).  Hockey, at least on the AHL level, is best when you're on the glass and can scream at players & stuff.  I'm actually bummed we don't get to go to the annual New Year's Eve game this year.  On the NCAA level, however, hockey kinda sucks if you're not a student, and even then it's only good if it's a good school or game.  And once I get around to going to a Friars game as an alumnus I'll tell you how that is.  Will be weird to not be standing in the endzone with the pep band, that's for sure....
 
2012-12-23 11:35:02 AM
A Pro Football game can suffer from New Yankee Stadium syndrome. Your paying too damn much for crappy seats where you can hardly see any action, the food and beer is expensive and not worth the price, the overpaid team sucks and the atmosphere can get very surly.

And when a sport or a stadium has a " Fark you pay me" attitude attendance tends to go down.

I am still in shock that there is no NHL this year. Why OH why on FARKING earth does Gary Bettman still have a farking job!?!?!? Its really an embarrassment to sports. You would have thought they had learned their lesson.. Hate to say it but perhaps the NHL needs to go under. They could really care less about the fans.
 
2012-12-23 11:38:51 AM

FriarReb98: Swoop1809: NFL games are terrible in person. At home you don't notice all the stoppages as much because you get up to pee or make food, but in the stadium each one is glaringly obvious and it's awful.

Hockey and soccer are the only sports I like seeing in person.

I've never been to any NFL, NHL, NBA or MLS games; hell, haven't even set foot in Gillette yet (other than Patriot Place, which is, of course, frickin' sweet).  Hockey, at least on the AHL level, is best when you're on the glass and can scream at players & stuff.  I'm actually bummed we don't get to go to the annual New Year's Eve game this year.  On the NCAA level, however, hockey kinda sucks if you're not a student, and even then it's only good if it's a good school or game.  And once I get around to going to a Friars game as an alumnus I'll tell you how that is.  Will be weird to not be standing in the endzone with the pep band, that's for sure....


Hockey is tons of fun. I used to try to go to at least one San Jose Sharks game a month. The upper bowl was $35-45 at the time, and a personal pizza for something like $8 bucks and a drink were all i needed. Had friends in that area, so i would just park at their houses.
 
2012-12-23 11:39:40 AM

Serious Black: If I wanted to (and were in the state), I could get two seats on the 50 yard line in the 36th row for the Chiefs game versus the Colts today for $75 bucks a piece on Stubhub. $200 (adding in estimated parking + beer + food) is a little less than a root canal I think.


Always wait til the last minute on stubhub if you don't care/can risk it (though they did change their sale time from 11am EST to 12pm). When it was 11 am deadlines, if you waited until 10:45, you could sometimes score 9-15 dollar seats which were about 5-10 rows from the field.

Difficulty: Browns

/the other team may play real football
//this didn't work with the season finale since they were apparently still playoff eligible for once
 
2012-12-23 11:42:39 AM

muck4doo: Had friends in that area, so i would just park at their houses.


That's the other thing that's gonna be weird next time we go to a Monarchs game; my friends moved out of the downtown area this summer so now we have to suck it up & drive to the arena.  I mean, there's a place we can park like two blocks away for free, but still will miss the walk.
 
2012-12-23 11:44:00 AM
My reasoning for not going is that I can buy that 50 inch HDTV for the price of 2 decent ticket. In a few years I will be able to watch all the games on 50 inch HDTVs. Just have to avoid going to games.
 
2012-12-23 11:45:15 AM
So is there not going to be a fantasy football thread after last week's USE JOSH FREEMAN debacle. That was quite funny to watch unfold.
 
2012-12-23 11:46:12 AM
Sold out since 1960 and 100,000 people still waiting for season tickets...

thesportsgeeks.com
 
2012-12-23 11:47:14 AM
When I lived in Cincinnati, my FIL had season tickets. We'd go to a majority of the home games for free and FIL would buy the beer. It was awesome. We've been to a few Colts games but key-rist is that expensive. I love the environment of going to the games but it's better for my wallet that I stay home with the HD, the not insanely expensive beer, etc.
 
2012-12-23 11:47:52 AM

TheManofPA: So is there not going to be a fantasy football thread after last week's USE JOSH FREEMAN debacle. That was quite funny to watch unfold.


Heheheh. Did you use him?
 
2012-12-23 11:53:16 AM

buckets_of_fun: Sold out since 1960 and 100,000 people still waiting for season tickets...

[thesportsgeeks.com image 448x309]


You don't always go to a GB game for the game itself, you go for the epic, world-class, pre-game (and during-game, and post-game) tailgating. And a good chunk of the people at GB games know the other people near them from years of having the same seats every game.
 
2012-12-23 11:54:14 AM
I have only been to one game. I saw the HOF game in 1995 when Steve Largent got inducted. It was the first game for the Jaguars and Panthers teams.
There is no way I will fight traffic to go see the Seahawks.
 
2012-12-23 11:55:42 AM
Went to the Bears-Seahawks playoff game in Chicago a couple of years ago. Bought a lower-level seat off a scalper, it snowed, Bears won, overall pretty fun experience. BUT I missed the entire halftime and third quarter standing in line to piss. Total BS.

/had a similar experience at Lambeau (before the remodel)
//guys wizzing in the sinks to get back and see SOME of the game.
 
2012-12-23 11:59:39 AM
I stopped going to Lions games way before cheap big screen TV's.
 
2012-12-23 12:02:22 PM

buckets_of_fun: Sold out since 1960 and 100,000 people still waiting for season tickets...


The Packers are a (wonderful) anomaly, because of their ownership structure. There literally is no other professional sports team in the country like them.
 
2012-12-23 12:07:34 PM
I can't justify paying so much for NFL games after going to Virginia Tech games for so much cheaper for so many years. Just as many fans, better atmosphere and better seats available.

As far as fantasy goes, does anyone have an opinion on Steve Smith against Oakland or Cecil Shorts against the Pats?
 
2012-12-23 12:07:35 PM
yeah......HD and the DVR have kinda ruined the live experience for me. i usually tape the game, then start watching it about halftime in real time. skipping all the commercials, the dead ball situations, etc., I can burn an enitre half of football but missing no game action in about, ehhh, 10 minutes. then i catcht he game live. it lets me do other shiat like household chores, whatever. dvr is great for football. course you have to go on media blackout but that's no biggie.

going to the cards/bears tailgate today but not the game. last home game, bunch of relatives coming into town for holidays, so this is a good excuse to see them.

(and DVRing the game so by the time i get home -- it takes about an hour -- i'll watch it and catch up.)
 
2012-12-23 12:13:12 PM
They reached their price limit just like the NBA did, the hawks used to fill up their arena but now they won't even if they are winning.
 
2012-12-23 12:16:13 PM

rickythepenguin: skipping all the commercials


This, many times over.
 
2012-12-23 12:18:09 PM

ClavellBCMI: buckets_of_fun: Sold out since 1960 and 100,000 people still waiting for season tickets...

[thesportsgeeks.com image 448x309]

You don't always go to a GB game for the game itself, you go for the epic, world-class, pre-game (and during-game, and post-game) tailgating. And a good chunk of the people at GB games know the other people near them from years of having the same seats every game.


That, and it's Green Bay, Wisconsin. There's nothing else there.

foo monkey: The Packers are a (wonderful) anomaly, because of their ownership structure. There literally is no other professional sports team in the country like them.


That part is pretty cool
 
2012-12-23 12:28:02 PM

muck4doo: TheManofPA: So is there not going to be a fantasy football thread after last week's USE JOSH FREEMAN debacle. That was quite funny to watch unfold.

Heheheh. Did you use him?


No, I have Brady in 2 leagues and Manning in one. The Josh Freeman for Russell Wilson thing broke my heart to see though because everyone was truly trying to help and that was by far the worst switchout of the entire season.
 
2012-12-23 12:29:36 PM
Have nickel beer night. Stadium will be full.
 
2012-12-23 12:29:49 PM
I try to go at least one Packer home game a year, but the cost is crazy for an average working class guy. add in family, food, beer, parking if you want to tailgate and you're north of $400. I pay less for rent a month.

The cost of tickets is unjustified.
 
2012-12-23 12:33:54 PM
perhaps one reason is that TV lets them switch the game times from early Sunday afternoon to late afternoon or night. Not to mention Thursday night and Monday night. Watch the game on TV and when the game is over I'm already home. The fans in the stadium are just props for TV.
 
2012-12-23 12:39:59 PM
When the profit curves start to flatten out they'll float the idea of never having free broadcasts of the game. Every game will be PPV - once they implement that they'll see how high they can push the cost of a single game before TV viewership takes the same slide.

/the final gambit will be using your XBox/PS3/YourTVisWATCHINGYOU type Kinect device to count the number of people watching the game and bill you accordingly.
 
2012-12-23 12:41:34 PM
This phenomenon has not been observed at Heinz Field, no matter how much Pittsburgh sucks that week/month/year.

Yet the article includes this gem: i46.tinypic.com

Or maybe that's M&T Bank Stadium.
 
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