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2012-12-23 12:00:00 AM
BEERSNOBTHREAD
 
2012-12-23 12:18:13 AM
I'm drinking Budweiser right now so I'm going to get a kick out of these replies...
 
2012-12-23 12:25:05 AM
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.comBudweiser makes at least one good beer
 
2012-12-23 01:11:35 AM
So if I read that story correctly, Adolphus Busch and Ebert Anheuser got married and adopted August Anheuser-Busch?
 
2012-12-23 01:26:38 AM
Alcoholism in the family, leading ultimately leading to the loss of the business? That smacks of Greek tragedy
 
2012-12-23 01:27:52 AM

" The Bavarian Brewing Co. produced such horribly tasting beer that "people would spit it back across the bar at bartenders," Knoedelseder says."


And 150 years later, that proud Budweiser tradition continues!

 
2012-12-23 01:37:27 AM
I know a woman who worked at the corporate office here in St. Louis before InBev took over. She said it was an unwritten rule that if you happen to walk past or be in the elevator with Busch IV, you're not to make eye contact or talk to him unless he speaks to you first. And she had a high paying job, too.
 
2012-12-23 01:39:37 AM
Budweiser is the very nectar of the gods compared to

beercanmike.com
 
2012-12-23 01:43:20 AM
The saga of the Budweiser family is as bitter and awful as their beer

I doubt that.
 
2012-12-23 01:43:51 AM
I never really thought of Budwieser as bitter...Although here in Oklahoma we get the watered down 3.2 stuff. It really does not taste like anything.
 
2012-12-23 01:49:40 AM

pintoboy: I never really thought of Budwieser as bitter...Although here in Oklahoma we get the watered down 3.2 stuff. It really does not taste like anything.


Wait what? Don't you get real beer at liquor stores too?
 
2012-12-23 02:19:40 AM
Budwieser was a decent every day beer until inbev got their greedy grubby mitts on it.

They changed the recipe to use the cheapest ingredients possible.

No more beechwood aging; no more premium hops.

"Drinkability"
 
2012-12-23 02:26:10 AM
And they stole the name of the beer from a Czech brand.
 
2012-12-23 02:38:55 AM

Mark Ratner: I know a woman who worked at the corporate office here in St. Louis before InBev took over. She said it was an unwritten rule that if you happen to walk past or be in the elevator with Busch IV, you're not to make eye contact or talk to him unless he speaks to you first. And she had a high paying job, too.


She should just be happy he didn't offer her a ride in his car
 
2012-12-23 02:44:12 AM

HempHead: So if I read that story correctly, Adolphus Busch and Ebert Anheuser got married and adopted August Anheuser-Busch?


No, Ebert clearly purchased Adolphus: "Ebert Anheuser [...] was one of Busch's buyers"

So this is a case of a slave child being given the name of the master.
 
2012-12-23 02:53:33 AM

zerkalo: Alcoholism in the family, leading ultimately leading to the loss of the business? That smacks of Greek tragedy


Keeping a business in the family is difficult.  The grandson of the inventor of gold stamps and later owning TGI Fridays and Radisson was barred from the corporate headquarters by his own mother.  And they've done a better job than most.
 
2012-12-23 03:56:11 AM
I knew a sporting guide that told some hellacious stories about the last Augustus.
 
2012-12-23 04:26:02 AM
That's the catch-22 of success, isn't it?

If you start out poor but through your own internal drive and a little luck become a self-made millionaire, almost by default your children won't have your same drive and motivation as they will have most likely known a more provilidged life.
 
2012-12-23 04:26:49 AM
"provilidged" ??

Geez. Where's my coffee?
 
2012-12-23 06:11:21 AM
Good riddance. Their legacy ends with a conglomerate who has a penchant for cutting corners in the name of lower production costs.
 
2012-12-23 06:38:33 AM

tennessee.hillbilly: That's the catch-22 of success, isn't it?

If you start out poor but through your own internal drive and a little luck become a self-made millionaire, almost by default your children won't have your same drive and motivation as they will have most likely known a more provilidged life.



Wait wait, I thought being born to poor parents made you lazy and shiftless?
 
2012-12-23 06:52:16 AM

ghare: tennessee.hillbilly: That's the catch-22 of success, isn't it?

If you start out poor but through your own internal drive and a little luck become a self-made millionaire, almost by default your children won't have your same drive and motivation as they will have most likely known a more provilidged life.


Wait wait, I thought being born to poor parents made you lazy and shiftless?


Yes, first you must overcome that inevitability I guess.
 
2012-12-23 07:38:06 AM
Buck Fudweiser
 
2012-12-23 09:08:26 AM
Bitter? Water is not bitter.
 
2012-12-23 09:36:20 AM

tennessee.hillbilly: ghare: tennessee.hillbilly: That's the catch-22 of success, isn't it?

If you start out poor but through your own internal drive and a little luck become a self-made millionaire, almost by default your children won't have your same drive and motivation as they will have most likely known a more provilidged life.


Wait wait, I thought being born to poor parents made you lazy and shiftless?

Yes, first you must overcome that inevitability I guess.


They didn't build that.
 
2012-12-23 09:37:32 AM

skinink: " The Bavarian Brewing Co. produced such horribly tasting beer that "people would spit it back across the bar at bartenders," Knoedelseder says."
And 150 years later, that proud Budweiser tradition continues!


Win
 
2012-12-23 10:03:53 AM
Meh, still not worse than the family feud that caused the guys that caused the family that owned Addidas and Puma to lose control of the companies.
 
2012-12-23 10:09:56 AM
Nothing new to STL Farkers.

There was a newspaper article a while back speculating that Busch IV's dickheadedness split the family and basically made the company ripe for takeover. Dude was also indirectly (at least, you know how hard it is to prove stuff against the super rich) connected to at least a couple deaths.

A shame, his granddaddy was a classy fellow and his dad didn't seem too bad either.
 
2012-12-23 11:05:47 AM
I toured Yeungling's plant in Tampa yesterday. They're almost to the 6th generation of family ownership and are doing great, they can't even keep up with demand right now.

Apparently they were sued by Budweiser for "stealing" their logo, even though they had the logo back in 1829 when they first opened. They were actually given the option of countersuing Bud which would force them to lose the logo, but being classy, they decided to leave them alone.
 
2012-12-23 11:41:07 AM

tennessee.hillbilly: That's the catch-22 of success, isn't it?

If you start out poor but through your own internal drive and a little luck become a self-made millionaire, almost by default your children won't have your same drive and motivation as they will have most likely known a more provilidged life.


Well, they may also have been neglected in certain ways. How much time for your kids do you have while putting in the 100 hour weeks that are often necessary get a business off the ground, and may occasionally be necessary to keep it afloat?
 
2012-12-23 12:18:59 PM
If you're interested in dysfunctional family dynasties then I recommend "Carnauba - A Son's Memoir". A documentary about the SC Johnson family.

You would think it is a standard corporate b.s. travelogue about an executive flying to the places in Brazil where his father scouted the carnauba palms in a recreation of the plane his father flew. You would be right for the first 20 minutes.

And then he discusses his mother's alcoholism. And the fact that he is a recovering alcoholic. He also discussed his painful relationship with his own father. Pretty remarkable to find all of this in an authorized documentary.
 
2012-12-23 12:50:55 PM

RDixon: Budwieser was a decent every day beer until inbev got their greedy grubby mitts on it.

They changed the recipe to use the cheapest ingredients possible.

No more beechwood aging; no more premium hops.

"Drinkability"


This is false.

And I don't even like Budweiser.
 
2012-12-23 03:09:52 PM

cameroncrazy1984: RDixon: Budwieser was a decent every day beer until inbev got their greedy grubby mitts on it.

They changed the recipe to use the cheapest ingredients possible.

No more beechwood aging; no more premium hops.

"Drinkability"

This is false.

And I don't even like Budweiser.


I used to be a contractor in one of their breweries for 4 years. The two years before the takeover, everyone was gung-ho and would do anything for the company. A great place to work. Bud was sacred and they would do anything to prevent a sub par product from going out as Budweiser. If a batch had an issue (too much cook time or other process problems) they would change the brand to Busch or another sub-premium brand. This all changed with InBev. They took away a lot of great benefits and stopped doing improvement projects and only focused on cost savings. The speculation was that the change in Euro value from the time the buyout was announced to when it happened played a huge part.

By the time I was done there, all the lifers who thought they would be there for ever either jumped ship or were planning to. A real shame. While they may not have had the best beer according to some people, they at least had a consistent product so you new what you were getting. That is no longer the case.
 
2012-12-23 03:32:14 PM
budweiser is cold fizzy piss water.

Newcastle Brown Ale is the solution.
 
2012-12-23 03:33:32 PM
When you drink Newcastle Brown Ale, you piss Budwweiser. just chill it, add some co2, and label it.
 
2012-12-23 03:35:05 PM

Popcorn Johnny: [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 180x270]Budweiser makes at least one good beer



no. just higher alcohol content so you think you're drinking better beer because you have a stonger buzz and your brain can't tell the difference.

any beer taste great if you're buzzed enough.
 
2012-12-23 03:37:04 PM
Blatz!!

wanna' know why they named it Blatz?


cause that is the sound it makes when it hits the concrete floor as it comes back up.
 
2012-12-23 03:38:46 PM

Mark Ratner: I know a woman who worked at the corporate office here in St. Louis before InBev took over. She said it was an unwritten rule that if you happen to walk past or be in the elevator with Busch IV, you're not to make eye contact or talk to him unless he speaks to you first. And she had a high paying job, too.



tell her i said that the Turd she worked for is just another bloke as far as i'm concerned since i don't work for the egotistical idiot who thinks his sh*t doesn't stink.
 
2012-12-23 03:41:36 PM

tennessee.hillbilly: That's the catch-22 of success, isn't it?

If you start out poor but through your own internal drive and a little luck become a self-made millionaire, almost by default your children won't have your same drive and motivation as they will have most likely known a more provilidged life.



cause they never had to work for anything. work/effort makes you value things and have values.

all those kids probably wanted to do was f*ck, party, do drugs, and sleep during the day. they didnt' have to work for anything.
 
2012-12-23 03:42:25 PM

picturescrazy: Bitter? Water is not bitter.



yea, but cold, fizzy pisswater is. i'm assuming anyways.
 
2012-12-23 04:20:32 PM
I used to be an investment consultant for "family offices"

Then general rule is:

1st generation makes the money
2nd generation preserves it
3rd generation blows it all
 
2012-12-23 06:55:55 PM

BiffDangler: I used to be an investment consultant for "family offices"

Then general rule is:

1st generation makes the money
2nd generation preserves it
3rd generation blows it all


That rather makes sense.
First generation had the idea and the vision, and started the company.
Second generation were children on daddy's knee while daddy kicked ass and took names, but they remember "a time before the company". But they do lack the founder's vision and drive, it's daddy's dream and he's gone.
Third generation, "Do you know who I AM? I'm rich, is who I am, always was, always will be, this all belongs to ME and I'll do with it what I want!" Naturally, this doesn't actually work.
 
2012-12-23 09:51:33 PM

Ishidan: BiffDangler: I used to be an investment consultant for "family offices"

Then general rule is:

1st generation makes the money
2nd generation preserves it
3rd generation blows it all

That rather makes sense.
First generation had the idea and the vision, and started the company.
Second generation were children on daddy's knee while daddy kicked ass and took names, but they remember "a time before the company". But they do lack the founder's vision and drive, it's daddy's dream and he's gone.
Third generation, "Do you know who I AM? I'm rich, is who I am, always was, always will be, this all belongs to ME and I'll do with it what I want!" Naturally, this doesn't actually work.


Not that I'm planning to have kids, but if I were, it wouldn't be inheriting my father-in-laws business. While I'd push them towards being an engineer, I'd be damned if it'd be handed to them. fark that.
 
2012-12-23 09:53:57 PM

Linux_Yes: picturescrazy: Bitter? Water is not bitter.

yea, but cold, fizzy pisswater is. i'm assuming anyways.


This is the same as saying "Budweiser is not cold, fizzy, pisswater"?
 
2012-12-24 02:28:45 AM

Linux_Yes: budweiser is cold fizzy piss water.

Newcastle Brown Ale is the solution.


I like you.
 
2012-12-24 02:43:24 AM

jdcgonzalez: Linux_Yes: budweiser is cold fizzy piss water.

Newcastle Brown Ale is the solution.

I like you.


Don't encourage it.
 
2012-12-24 03:37:38 AM

BiffDangler: I used to be an investment consultant for "family offices"

Then general rule is:

1st generation makes the money
2nd generation preserves it
3rd generation blows it all


Looking forward to Tagg blowing the Romney fortune.
 
2012-12-24 03:50:35 AM
bud is basically carbonated water, but it's relatively cheap and iconic. also you get drunk when you drink it.

this post brought to you by Norbecker Beer.

HAVE ONE!

if you're tough enough
 
2012-12-24 03:56:52 AM

Girion47: Ishidan: BiffDangler: I used to be an investment consultant for "family offices"

Then general rule is:

1st generation makes the money
2nd generation preserves it
3rd generation blows it all

That rather makes sense.
First generation had the idea and the vision, and started the company.
Second generation were children on daddy's knee while daddy kicked ass and took names, but they remember "a time before the company". But they do lack the founder's vision and drive, it's daddy's dream and he's gone.
Third generation, "Do you know who I AM? I'm rich, is who I am, always was, always will be, this all belongs to ME and I'll do with it what I want!" Naturally, this doesn't actually work.

Not that I'm planning to have kids, but if I were, it wouldn't be inheriting my father-in-laws business. While I'd push them towards being an engineer, I'd be damned if it'd be handed to them. fark that.


One of the original people on Dragons Den has his money in a trust for his children. The trust will only match the earnings unless its in worthy profession like nursing or teaching where it will triple the earnings. Not a bad idea.
 
2012-12-24 06:07:30 AM
I was up in Canada years ago and the Budweiser there seemed better.

/more of an Otter Creek/Wolaver's man
//Rogue Dead Guy too.
 
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