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2012-12-22 11:55:33 PM
Being uptight about sex tends to spread to many areas of life. I'm betting the people who are against gay marriage and don't watch porn only have sex missionary-style with the lights out.  If they weren't farking with other people's rights I'd almost feel sorry for them.
 
2012-12-23 12:07:51 AM
Definitely lying about how much they look at gay porn.
 
2012-12-23 12:12:23 AM

fusillade762: If they weren't farking with other people's rights I'd almost feel sorry for them.


I still feel sorry for them. Being indelibly a Golem lacking all empathy, logic, and joy must be tragic. They deserve pity; pity is beneath contempt.
 
2012-12-23 12:13:19 AM
Wait, that is an incomplete punnet chart.  What about those of us who watch porn, but are against all marriage?
 
2012-12-23 12:41:00 AM
Look at pr0n? Check.
Support same sex marriage? Check.

I'll have to find something else to be non-conformist about.
 
2012-12-23 12:43:05 AM
Preventing adults from engaging in consensual acts would really interfere with my porn viewing.
 
2012-12-23 12:43:10 AM
 
2012-12-23 12:43:45 AM

HotWingAgenda: Wait, that is an incomplete punnet chart.  What about those of us who watch porn, but are against all marriage?


Are you really against all marriage or can you just not find a woman who will marry you?

/in the same boat, man...
//loading up redtube to crank one out before bed
///sobs quietly so i don't wake my roommate
 
2012-12-23 12:48:14 AM
I'm watching porn right now....just discovered Remy Lacroix...ye gods the things that woman does with a hula hoop.
 
2012-12-23 12:50:53 AM
I like looking at porn of men who don't support same sex marriage.
 
2012-12-23 12:51:10 AM
Not at all surprising.
 
2012-12-23 12:51:13 AM
i watch alot of porn, dont care if two dudes want to get married. so, they are right
 
2012-12-23 12:55:04 AM
Some people are just too simple to overcome their primitive human nature to fear what they don't understand.
 
2012-12-23 12:56:04 AM
I only approve of porn stars getting married. No one else.

... But really, the Boobies (hah!) got it right. I couldn't have put it any better.
 
2012-12-23 12:56:32 AM

Teufelaffe: ...Remy Lacroix...


tc23.easythumbhost.com
 
2012-12-23 01:01:48 AM

Mrtraveler01: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705288350/Utah-No-1-in-online-porn - subscriptions-report-says.html?pg=all

Obligatory


I can only assume that's because Utah citizens subscribe to some kind of Mormon within-marriage-only porn sites.

The civilized world stopped paying for porn long ago.
 
2012-12-23 01:02:30 AM

fusillade762: Being uptight about sex tends to spread to many areas of life. I'm betting the people who are against gay marriage and don't watch porn only have sex missionary-style with the lights out.


And ONLY through the dick hole in their underwear. None of that dirty, sinful nudity for them, no sir!
 
2012-12-23 01:04:07 AM

JadedRaverLA: Mrtraveler01: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705288350/Utah-No-1-in-online-porn - subscriptions-report-says.html?pg=all

Obligatory

I can only assume that's because Utah citizens subscribe to some kind of Mormon within-marriage-only porn sites.

The civilized world stopped paying for porn long ago.


I know. That's part of why I found that study hilarious.
 
2012-12-23 01:11:57 AM
Love porn, love seeing people in love getting married. Glad to conform for once.
 
2012-12-23 01:23:11 AM

HotWingAgenda: Wait, that is an incomplete punnet chart.  What about those of us who watch porn, but are against all marriage?


I'm one of the few liberals I know who is adamantly opposed to gay marriage. I think the state should get out of the marriage business altogether so gay marriage to me is like rats jumping on to the sinking ship. I feel that there is something deeply underhanded and even abusive to homosexuals in the entire gay marriage agenda. Encouraging people to go fight for equal membership in a pointless, meaningless, and dying institution strikes me as plain mean.
 
2012-12-23 01:28:04 AM

worlddan: HotWingAgenda: Wait, that is an incomplete punnet chart.  What about those of us who watch porn, but are against all marriage?

I'm one of the few liberals I know who is adamantly opposed to gay marriage. I think the state should get out of the marriage business altogether so gay marriage to me is like rats jumping on to the sinking ship. I feel that there is something deeply underhanded and even abusive to homosexuals in the entire gay marriage agenda. Encouraging people to go fight for equal membership in a pointless, meaningless, and dying institution strikes me as plain mean.


That's an awful strange argument. Care to back up all those assertions? Why, in your opinion, is marriage pointless, meaningless, and dying?

Are you recently divorced or something? Old lady took everything and left you with the property taxes?
 
2012-12-23 01:28:33 AM

worlddan: I think the state should get out of the marriage business altogether


Why? It's the State's job to enforce civil contracts. Marriage (in its many historical forms) is one of the oldest civil contracts in existence.
 
2012-12-23 01:33:02 AM
I'm in favor of gay marriage but I oppose gay divorce. How dare they trample all over our most sacred institution.
 
2012-12-23 01:38:03 AM

randomjsa: Look at pr0n? Check.
Support same sex marriage? Check.

I'll have to find something else to be non-conformist about.


i.imgur.com

Just a suggestion.
 
2012-12-23 01:38:29 AM

HotWingAgenda: Wait, that is an incomplete punnet chart.  What about those of us who watch porn, but are against all marriage?


Or those of us who think people should just do whatever they want and let the rest of us watch what we want?
 
2012-12-23 01:51:33 AM

Z-clipped: worlddan: I think the state should get out of the marriage business altogether

Marriage (in its many historical forms) is one of the oldest civil contracts in existence.


That is an anachronism. Simply because a ceremony is public doesn't make it civil (in the legal sense of that term). Marriage as a civil, legal, matter to be enforced by the state is quite the recent vintage, historically speaking, at least within the Western tradition. Even 150 years ago it was uncommon for there to be any type of civil recognition given to marriage and to the extent such civil acknowledgement did exist (e.g., wills) it was entirely piggybacked upon what the religious sector of society did. Marriages in the religious sense are by no means contracts.
 
2012-12-23 02:04:55 AM
Gay couples can adopt kids, but most states don't recognize gay marriage. Makes no sense whatsoever.
 
2012-12-23 02:14:26 AM
You know, it is becoming a cliche' that the conservative position is so willing to lie to support their position. Now they will lie to create a moral position where there never even was one (The connection between homosexuality, and pornography? Seriously?). I mean, what is the connection? They both have something to do with sex? Reading the comments, I felt my I.Q. slip a few points. They don't even get it! I still say: It's like trying to argue with 12 year olds with ADD on a sugar rush. GAHHH! GGOOOOODDDD!!! HeLLLLLLLLL!! BOOBBBBBBBSSSSSSS!
 
2012-12-23 02:16:57 AM
They've got me pegged.

/let your freak flags fly, folks.
 
2012-12-23 02:21:00 AM

Blue_Blazer: worlddan: HotWingAgenda: Wait, that is an incomplete punnet chart.  What about those of us who watch porn, but are against all marriage?

I'm one of the few liberals I know who is adamantly opposed to gay marriage. I think the state should get out of the marriage business altogether so gay marriage to me is like rats jumping on to the sinking ship. I feel that there is something deeply underhanded and even abusive to homosexuals in the entire gay marriage agenda. Encouraging people to go fight for equal membership in a pointless, meaningless, and dying institution strikes me as plain mean.

That's an awful strange argument. Care to back up all those assertions? Why, in your opinion, is marriage pointless, meaningless, and dying?

Are you recently divorced or something? Old lady took everything and left you with the property taxes?


No, he just wants to feel like his view is ahead of the rest of ours and feel superior.

I've yet to see anything approaching a reasonable argument for no state recognition of marriage.
 
2012-12-23 02:22:03 AM

Gyrfalcon: HotWingAgenda: Wait, that is an incomplete punnet chart.  What about those of us who watch porn, but are against all marriage?

Or those of us who think people should just do whatever they want and let the rest of us watch what we want?


I am outside your window, watching everything I want.
 
2012-12-23 02:25:07 AM

worlddan: Z-clipped: worlddan: I think the state should get out of the marriage business altogether

Marriage (in its many historical forms) is one of the oldest civil contracts in existence.

That is an anachronism. Simply because a ceremony is public doesn't make it civil (in the legal sense of that term). Marriage as a civil, legal, matter to be enforced by the state is quite the recent vintage, historically speaking, at least within the Western tradition. Even 150 years ago it was uncommon for there to be any type of civil recognition given to marriage and to the extent such civil acknowledgement did exist (e.g., wills) it was entirely piggybacked upon what the religious sector of society did. Marriages in the religious sense are by no means contracts.


Define "western tradition" so we can mock you without a goalpost shifting around.
 
2012-12-23 02:25:12 AM
I, Dialectic, am a "Lesbian Man."
 
2012-12-23 02:26:56 AM

worlddan: That is an anachronism. Simply because a ceremony is public doesn't make it civil (in the legal sense of that term). Marriage as a civil, legal, matter to be enforced by the state is quite the recent vintage, historically speaking, at least within the Western tradition. Even 150 years ago it was uncommon for there to be any type of civil recognition given to marriage and to the extent such civil acknowledgement did exist (e.g., wills) it was entirely piggybacked upon what the religious sector of society did. Marriages in the religious sense are by no means contracts.


It always amazes me when something like marriage gets thrown out there that fark'rs like worlddan go out of their way to have to prove that "marriage" is just some whimsical blessing bestowed by some special sky wizard.  I can only assume that worlddan was married and was royally skewed over by the misses.  And now is spending his days in his mothers basement printing out Ron Paul posters.

The simple fact is this - marriage has always been a tool of the governing entity of the time - mainly to deal with property issues.  And it has been true that in some periods of history - the written laws around marriage were a bit sketchy (when this country was founded there were few marriage laws on the books - the puritans of the time fixed that when they realized a woman could simply walk off and declare herself divorced).  But today in the US (and in most parts of Western world) marriage is a civil contract and has nothing to do with religion.  And that civil contract bestows a large number of rights and privileges to that union.  The word in and of itself allows a couple to travel from one country to another and that country will recognize that union.  That country will not recognize "civil union" or "magic papers drawn up by attorney".  They will recognize "marriage".

So get over it.  Marriage is here to stay.  No longer how much straight people screw the institution over.
 
2012-12-23 02:28:47 AM

worlddan: Marriages in the religious sense are by no means contracts.


The exchange of promises is the definition of a contract. Has been for a long long time.

I like that you are completely liberated from the tyranny of facts and history, though.
 
2012-12-23 02:31:49 AM

worlddan: Marriage as a civil, legal, matter to be enforced by the state is quite the recent vintage, historically speaking, at least within the Western tradition.


Marriage has been historically a civil exchange of property (which included the woman, generally) in every western society that was not a theocracy. Are you saying that, because the church became involved in marriage in Western Europe for a brief, 200 year period, that period alone defines marriage in our society today? That's nonsense.

Regardless of history, marriage is unarguably a solely civil contract in our current society. Religious institutions have absolutely no power to marry people. They (among others) are granted the power to officiate the ceremony by the State, but cannot issue a license, validate a marriage, or enforce the contract. It makes absolutely no sense to say that despite the fact that our culture is enormously more varied socially and religiously today (and much more secular as well), we should strive to return to some specific historical paradigm of your choosing, when there is a) plenty more history to choose from and b) nothing wrong with the system we have, except for religious objection to the civil rights of groups they deem distasteful.
 
2012-12-23 02:38:52 AM
I hella look at straight porn and hella support gay marriage
 
2012-12-23 03:07:14 AM

Kome: HotWingAgenda: Wait, that is an incomplete punnet chart.  What about those of us who watch porn, but are against all marriage?

Are you really against all marriage or can you just not find a woman who will marry you?

/in the same boat, man...
//loading up redtube to crank one out before bed
///sobs quietly so i don't wake my roommate


Put a pillow over your Real Doll's mouth. she's too farking loud...
 
2012-12-23 03:08:33 AM

Smackledorfer: Gyrfalcon: HotWingAgenda: Wait, that is an incomplete punnet chart.  What about those of us who watch porn, but are against all marriage?

Or those of us who think people should just do whatever they want and let the rest of us watch what we want?

I am outside your window, watching everything I want.


I live on the third floor, so watch very carefully.
 
2012-12-23 03:08:54 AM

Mark Ratner: Gay couples can adopt kids, but most states don't recognize gay marriage. Makes no sense whatsoever.


Huh? You don't have to be married to have a kid. Why should you have to be married to adopt a kid?
 
2012-12-23 03:15:18 AM

Smackledorfer: They've got me pegged.


Hey, keep your bedroom kinks to yourself.
 
2012-12-23 03:20:49 AM

randomjsa: Look at pr0n? Check.
Support same sex marriage? Check.

I'll have to find something else to be non-conformist about.


THIS

(yes, I said THIS to a randomjsa post, 12/21/12 did happen)
 
2012-12-23 03:24:21 AM

fusillade762: Smackledorfer: They've got me pegged.

Hey, keep your bedroom kinks to yourself.


Aw, I was going to say it was brave of him to tell everyone on Fark.
 
2012-12-23 03:24:46 AM

randomjsa: I'll have to find something else to be non-conformist about.


It's a shame, but this sentiment seems to be the driving factor in a lot of people's political opinions these days.
 
2012-12-23 03:33:08 AM
I'm not so much a straight ally as I am a porn aficionado.
 
2012-12-23 04:01:31 AM
I don't look at porn and don't care for same sex marriage either. It's more about having discipline and being bound to a set of virtues than anything else. Women in porn are abused and are victims of a male dominated society. Respecting women and marriage is serving a higher good, and not being a slave to popular opinion even now on the heels of new legislation. These two things are tied together, and while I know how hard it is to restrain yourself from watching porn it is a form of sadism to support an industry that shackles women to a life of depravity.
 
2012-12-23 04:05:56 AM

MayoSlather: I don't look at porn and don't care for same sex marriage either. It's more about having discipline and being bound to a set of virtues than anything else. Women in porn are abused and are victims of a male dominated society. Respecting women and marriage is serving a higher good, and not being a slave to popular opinion even now on the heels of new legislation. These two things are tied together, and while I know how hard it is to restrain yourself from watching porn it is a form of sadism to support an industry that shackles women to a life of depravity.


And what 'virtues' do you think keeping people who love each other from marrying involve?
 
2012-12-23 04:11:18 AM

MayoSlather: I don't look at porn and don't care for same sex marriage either. It's more about having discipline and being bound to a set of virtues than anything else. Women in porn are abused and are victims of a male dominated society. Respecting women and marriage is serving a higher good, and not being a slave to popular opinion even now on the heels of new legislation. These two things are tied together, and while I know how hard it is to restrain yourself from watching porn it is a form of sadism to support an industry that shackles women to a life of depravity.


i love it when people say that. it turns me on.
 
2012-12-23 04:12:05 AM

MayoSlather: I don't look at porn and don't care for same sex marriage either. It's more about having discipline and being bound to a set of virtues than anything else. Women in porn are abused and are victims of a male dominated society. Respecting women and marriage is serving a higher good, and not being a slave to popular opinion even now on the heels of new legislation. These two things are tied together, and while I know how hard it is to restrain yourself from watching porn it is a form of sadism to support an industry that shackles women to a life of depravity.


Yeah, I'm sure Asia Carrera is being abused and a victim of society. I mean, why would any self-respecting woman who is a card-carrying member of MENSA and who earned a farking full ride to Rutgers University decide to do hardcore porn?
 
2012-12-23 04:13:45 AM

MayoSlather: I don't look at porn and don't care for same sex marriage either. It's more about having discipline and being bound to a set of virtues than anything else. Women in porn are abused and are victims of a male dominated society. Respecting women and marriage is serving a higher good, and not being a slave to popular opinion even now on the heels of new legislation. These two things are tied together, and while I know how hard it is to restrain yourself from watching porn it is a form of sadism to support an industry that shackles women to a life of depravity.


Tell us more...
 
2012-12-23 04:14:37 AM

Z-clipped: worlddan: Marriage as a civil, legal, matter to be enforced by the state is quite the recent vintage, historically speaking, at least within the Western tradition.

Marriage has been historically a civil exchange of property (which included the woman, generally) in every western society that was not a theocracy. Are you saying that, because the church became involved in marriage in Western Europe for a brief, 200 year period, that period alone defines marriage in our society today? That's nonsense.

Regardless of history, marriage is unarguably a solely civil contract in our current society. Religious institutions have absolutely no power to marry people. They (among others) are granted the power to officiate the ceremony by the State, but cannot issue a license, validate a marriage, or enforce the contract. It makes absolutely no sense to say that despite the fact that our culture is enormously more varied socially and religiously today (and much more secular as well), we should strive to return to some specific historical paradigm of your choosing, when there is a) plenty more history to choose from and b) nothing wrong with the system we have, except for religious objection to the civil rights of groups they deem distasteful.



you used the word "civil" a lot, so what is so wrong about "civil union"? i don't care who is happy with who, but it seems silly fighting over a word (as long as the people in "civil union"'s get the same benefits). to be pedantic, that is why there are different types of "sex". there is oral, straight, gay, lesbian, ect (the cow stuff is crazy!) =)

i really am not starting a fight or trolling, but i was always flummoxed by people fighting over a word instead of the rights. partners of any relationship should get the same things (visitation rights, tax breaks, ect), but i like a separation of church and state. let the Pope care about marriages, and the government care about civil unions. at least i can vote out the latter.
 
2012-12-23 04:20:03 AM

MayoSlather: Women in porn are abused and are victims of a male dominated society. Respecting women...


...Like, respecting their right to make choices? I don't know if you're really helping women with generalizations like this. There's nothing depraved about woman working in porn if she chooses to do so. I hear some of them even *gasp* enjoy their jobs.

MayoSlather: and marriage is serving a higher good


Gay people getting married DOES serve the higher good. Isn't the stability of the family unit is supposed to be the mainstay of conservative values?
 
2012-12-23 04:24:39 AM

Gyrfalcon: Smackledorfer: Gyrfalcon: HotWingAgenda: Wait, that is an incomplete punnet chart.  What about those of us who watch porn, but are against all marriage?

Or those of us who think people should just do whatever they want and let the rest of us watch what we want?

I am outside your window, watching everything I want.

I live on the third floor, so watch very carefully.


Approves
cf2.imgobject.com
 
2012-12-23 04:42:37 AM

R.P.M.: you used the word "civil" a lot, so what is so wrong about "civil union"?


For one thing, it utterly fails the "separate but equal" test. For another, it's a completely unnecessary distinction to make when we have a perfectly good system in place already.

R.P.M.: it seems silly fighting over a word


Yes, exactly. If you're willing to allow gay people all of the benefits of marriage, why bother inventing a new word, when "married" works fine?

R.P.M.: i really am not starting a fight or trolling, but i was always flummoxed by people fighting over a word instead of the rights. partners of any relationship should get the same things (visitation rights, tax breaks, ect), but i like a separation of church and state. let the Pope care about marriages, and the government care about civil unions. at least i can vote out the latter.


But the Pope/(church) doesn't marry people. The government does. It's been that way for most of the time the US has existed, and for most of human history as well. Marriage isn't religious in nature. How does it make sense to hand over to the church something it has no more claim on than the rest of us? I'm an atheist, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let someone tell me that I'm not married to my wife just because our ceremony wasn't religious.

Seriously, I'm not against political compromise, but you don't compromise on civil rights. Not every argument deserves equal consideration. There is no argument against gay marriage that is worth compromising people's rights over. The Unitarian Church near my old apartment had a huge banner across the front that summed it up perfectly: "Civil marriage is a civil right." I agree with that statement no matter who it applies to. Any two people of legal age should be allowed to get married as far as I'm concerned. Period.
 
2012-12-23 05:05:27 AM

worlddan: Z-clipped: worlddan: I think the state should get out of the marriage business altogether

Marriage (in its many historical forms) is one of the oldest civil contracts in existence.

That is an anachronism. Simply because a ceremony is public doesn't make it civil (in the legal sense of that term). Marriage as a civil, legal, matter to be enforced by the state is quite the recent vintage, historically speaking, at least within the Western tradition. Even 150 years ago it was uncommon for there to be any type of civil recognition given to marriage and to the extent such civil acknowledgement did exist (e.g., wills) it was entirely piggybacked upon what the religious sector of society did. Marriages in the religious sense are by no means contracts.


Marriage as a legal institution predates any religion that currently exists. It is mentioned in literally the oldest story that has survived to this day. Nothing you say is remotely true, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
 
2012-12-23 05:08:50 AM

Gyrfalcon: MayoSlather: I don't look at porn and don't care for same sex marriage either. It's more about having discipline and being bound to a set of virtues than anything else. Women in porn are abused and are victims of a male dominated society. Respecting women and marriage is serving a higher good, and not being a slave to popular opinion even now on the heels of new legislation. These two things are tied together, and while I know how hard it is to restrain yourself from watching porn it is a form of sadism to support an industry that shackles women to a life of depravity.

Tell us more...


Close
 
2012-12-23 05:11:50 AM
 
2012-12-23 05:14:58 AM

MayoSlather: I don't look at porn and don't care for same sex marriage either. It's more about having discipline and being bound to a set of virtues than anything else. Women in porn are abused and are victims of a male dominated society. Respecting women and marriage is serving a higher good, and not being a slave to popular opinion even now on the heels of new legislation. These two things are tied together, and while I know how hard it is to restrain yourself from watching porn it is a form of sadism to support an industry that shackles women to a life of depravity.


I like the song ones better...
 
2012-12-23 05:24:32 AM
After careful consideration of the frequency of which I view porn, I must conclude that I support gay polygamous marriage.
 
2012-12-23 06:43:17 AM

WippitGuud: After careful consideration of the frequency of which I view porn, I must conclude that I support gay polygamous marriage.


How do you feel about gay, polygamous porn?
 
2012-12-23 07:01:09 AM

FirstNationalBastard: WippitGuud: After careful consideration of the frequency of which I view porn, I must conclude that I support gay polygamous marriage.

How do you feel about gay, polygamous porn?


If it's all women, hell yeah! If it's all men, no thanks.
 
2012-12-23 07:31:29 AM
And yet i've never seen as many run down XXX adult stores and asian message parlors as i saw when i lived in the south. Strange place.
 
2012-12-23 08:07:45 AM
From the Journal of Things Which Will Come As No Surprise.
 
2012-12-23 08:08:56 AM
So wait....if you admit you like to watch people being promiscuous (whoever heard of porn stars "just doing one person", amirite?), you will support gay marraige.......BUT, if you lie about watching pron, you are against gay marraige?
 
2012-12-23 08:40:53 AM
I support both gay porn and heterosexual marriage.
 
2012-12-23 08:51:06 AM
Politics tab? Really??

Oh, and logically speaking, just because you don't support something doesn't mean you are against it. So the whole premise of this study is flawed from the get-go.

/Brains...just because you are a scientist doesn't mean you have them.
 
2012-12-23 08:52:57 AM

DancingElkCondor: (whoever heard of porn stars "just doing one person", amirite?)


Not all pornography is made by "professionals." Just sayin' your premise here is a little weak.
=Smidge=
 
2012-12-23 08:56:30 AM

Serious Black: MayoSlather: I don't look at porn and don't care for same sex marriage either. It's more about having discipline and being bound to a set of virtues than anything else. Women in porn are abused and are victims of a male dominated society. Respecting women and marriage is serving a higher good, and not being a slave to popular opinion even now on the heels of new legislation. These two things are tied together, and while I know how hard it is to restrain yourself from watching porn it is a form of sadism to support an industry that shackles women to a life of depravity.

Yeah, I'm sure Asia Carrera is being abused and a victim of society. I mean, why would any self-respecting woman who is a card-carrying member of MENSA and who earned a farking full ride to Rutgers University decide to do hardcore porn?


Because Rutgers has an astounding record for producing sluts?

/Ducks
 
2012-12-23 09:01:09 AM

Balchinian: Politics tab? Really??

Oh, and logically speaking, just because you don't support something doesn't mean you are against it. So the whole premise of this study is flawed from the get-go.

/Brains...just because you are a scientist doesn't mean you have them.


FTFA:
level of agreement with the statement "It should be legal for gays and lesbians to marry in America," ... agreed or strongly agreed ... disagreed or strongly disagreed ... unsure


That looks like a pretty clearly defined "against it" in them there possible responses to that question.

/If you disagree that a thing should be legal, you are opposed to that thing.
 
2012-12-23 09:06:09 AM
So, men who do not repress their sexual urges are less likely to begrudge others who don't want to have to repress their sexual urges.

Shocking.
 
2012-12-23 09:32:08 AM

MayoSlather: Gyrfalcon: MayoSlather: I don't look at porn and don't care for same sex marriage either. It's more about having discipline and being bound to a set of virtues than anything else. Women in porn are abused and are victims of a male dominated society. Respecting women and marriage is serving a higher good, and not being a slave to popular opinion even now on the heels of new legislation. These two things are tied together, and while I know how hard it is to restrain yourself from watching porn it is a form of sadism to support an industry that shackles women to a life of depravity.

Tell us more...

Close


I bolded legislation because it gets whipped.
 
2012-12-23 09:43:05 AM

Z-clipped: worlddan: Marriage as a civil, legal, matter to be enforced by the state is quite the recent vintage, historically speaking, at least within the Western tradition.

Marriage has been historically a civil exchange of property (which included the woman, generally) in every western society that was not a theocracy. Are you saying that, because the church became involved in marriage in Western Europe for a brief, 200 year period, that period alone defines marriage in our society today? That's nonsense.

Regardless of history, marriage is unarguably a solely civil contract in our current society. Religious institutions have absolutely no power to marry people. They (among others) are granted the power to officiate the ceremony by the State, but cannot issue a license, validate a marriage, or enforce the contract. It makes absolutely no sense to say that despite the fact that our culture is enormously more varied socially and religiously today (and much more secular as well), we should strive to return to some specific historical paradigm of your choosing, when there is a) plenty more history to choose from and b) nothing wrong with the system we have, except for religious objection to the civil rights of groups they deem distasteful.


^^^ SO MUCH THIS ^^^
Come on worlddan, how can you possibly defend that position on marriage when anyone with half a brain can see how stupid it is? I can kind of see how someone would grow up confused on the issue since the picture that 99.999% of us have about marriage involves the ceremony in the church with the "Dearly beloved..." and whatnot (I guess because showing someone standing in line to get a marriage license isn't as romantic) but that by no means makes it a religious institution. People don't go stand in line to get a marriage license from a church, they do it in a government building. My man and I paid our $50 for the marriage license to the state of VA, not to our local parishioner. Churches don't give married couples tax breaks and all the other benefits of marriage, the government does.
 
2012-12-23 09:54:53 AM

Mrtraveler01: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705288350/Utah-No-1-in-online-porn - subscriptions-report-says.html?pg=all

Obligatory


As a Utahn, that first sentence is hilarious, considering this place is full of keeping up with the Jones' types.

On topic, this isn't a surprise, this place is also full of sexually repressed people.
 
2012-12-23 09:54:54 AM

Serious Black: FirstNationalBastard: WippitGuud: After careful consideration of the frequency of which I view porn, I must conclude that I support gay polygamous marriage.

How do you feel about gay, polygamous porn?

If it's all women, hell yeah! If it's all men, no thanks.


This.
 
2012-12-23 10:35:46 AM
I've still yet to hear one single argument from my so-called conservative brethren why I should give two shiats about what contract two consenting adults want to engage in that doesn't devolve into religious bullshiat. Farking children, all of them. No one under the age of 40 cares. This is a decided issue just waiting for enough dumbass evangelical crackers to die off to make it so. Won't be long.
 
2012-12-23 10:39:14 AM
People who have hang-ups about sex especially have hang-ups about gay sex.

Imagine that.

/hang-ups, I'm old
 
2012-12-23 10:40:14 AM

vossiewulf: Definitely lying about how much they look at gay porn.


utterly and completely this.^
 
2012-12-23 10:43:28 AM

MayoSlather: I don't look at porn and don't care for same sex marriage either. It's more about having discipline and being bound to a set of virtues than anything else. Women in porn are abused and are victims of a male dominated society. Respecting women and marriage is serving a higher good, and not being a slave to popular opinion even now on the heels of new legislation. These two things are tied together, and while I know how hard it is to restrain yourself from watching porn it is a form of sadism to support an industry that shackles women to a life of depravity.


This is well constructed. The S/M references were cleverly inserted to avoid being too blatant.
 
2012-12-23 10:44:51 AM
"Study finds that men who say they look at porn frequently are more likely to support same-sex marriage between two amazingly hot, completely shaven young women, while those against same-sex marriage lie about how often they look at porn"

FTFY, subby.
 
2012-12-23 10:49:19 AM

JadedRaverLA: Mrtraveler01: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705288350/Utah-No-1-in-online-porn - subscriptions-report-says.html?pg=all

Obligatory

I can only assume that's because Utah citizens subscribe to some kind of Mormon within-marriage-only porn sites.

The civilized world stopped paying for porn long ago.


I thought Mormons were into Bubble porn,

Link
 
2012-12-23 11:01:55 AM

Serious Black: Yeah, I'm sure Asia Carrera is being abused and a victim of society. I mean, why would any self-respecting woman who is a card-carrying member of MENSA and who earned a farking full ride to Rutgers University decide to do hardcore porn?


MENSA support group for people with high IQs or
Support group for people with high IQs who haven't done anything with their 'high IQs' or
Support group for people with hig IQs who haven't done anything with their 'high IQs' and stil want to feel superior to other peolpe.
 
2012-12-23 11:07:03 AM

Gergesa: This is well constructed. The S/M references were cleverly inserted to avoid being too blatant.


It was a little TOO good. Far right religious moral rants are usually brimming with so much repressed sexuality that they contain pretty much the same language and tone.
 
2012-12-23 11:23:58 AM
Well that makes sense. I mean, what straight guy hasn't at the very least tried masturbating to a hot-looking tranny at some point in his porn-surfing history!

....er, right guys?
 
2012-12-23 11:29:52 AM

Z-clipped: Gergesa: This is well constructed. The S/M references were cleverly inserted to avoid being too blatant.

It was a little TOO good. Far right religious moral rants are usually brimming with so much repressed sexuality that they contain pretty much the same language and tone.


Don't shove that legislation down my throat.
 
2012-12-23 11:33:09 AM

vossiewulf: Definitely lying about how much they look at gay porn.


Or they could be the kind that's busy catching up on email and texting on the phone. TimeLife™ built a complete industry for those who missed WWII, The Beatles, the 60s, 9/11, and the Mayan Apocalypse.

I'm sure when TimeLIfe™ does a boxed set of Porn You Missed the survey numbers will change.
 
2012-12-23 11:33:48 AM

spongeboob: Serious Black: Yeah, I'm sure Asia Carrera is being abused and a victim of society. I mean, why would any self-respecting woman who is a card-carrying member of MENSA and who earned a farking full ride to Rutgers University decide to do hardcore porn?

MENSA support group for people with high IQs or
Support group for people with high IQs who haven't done anything with their 'high IQs' or
Support group for people with hig IQs who haven't done anything with their 'high IQs' and stil want to feel superior to other peolpe.


Are smart people under an obligation to pick a career of your choosing?

Can we apply that to those gifted with beauty or strength?

Strong people have to carry my stuff instead of freeweights, hot chicks must share with the world, and smart people shouldn't be allowed to hang out together and spend time idly applying their intellect in wasteful fashions?
 
2012-12-23 11:37:46 AM
farm4.static.flickr.com

If you know who she is, you approve of same sex marriage... :-p
 
2012-12-23 11:56:15 AM

Smackledorfer: Don't shove that legislation down my throat.


Exactly. It's always that, or "up our asses".

LucklessWonder: If you know who she is, you approve of same sex marriage... :-p


Oh my god... Mmm,,,Mom?
 
2012-12-23 12:40:28 PM

R.P.M.: you used the word "civil" a lot, so what is so wrong about "civil union"?


Tell that to the gay marriage opponents. Most of the bans they've passed in recent years cover civil unions too.
 
2012-12-23 12:42:53 PM
These asshats are equating porn and gay marriage because both are "filthy" and "sinful." I think subby nailed it, though. It isn't a moral connection so much as the fact that these people are liars or very sexually repressed.
 
2012-12-23 01:25:42 PM

pootsie: worlddan: Marriages in the religious sense are by no means contracts.

The exchange of promises is the definition of a contract. Has been for a long long time.

I like that you are completely liberated from the tyranny of facts and history, though.


Where is the consideration?
 
2012-12-23 01:26:57 PM

pootsie: worlddan: Marriages in the religious sense are by no means contracts.

The exchange of promises is the definition of a contract. Has been for a long long time.

I like that you are completely liberated from the tyranny of facts and history, though.


And are you saying that people that are taking part in purely religious marriages are expecting their vows to be legally enforceable?
 
2012-12-23 01:38:20 PM

Moopy Mac: pootsie: worlddan: Marriages in the religious sense are by no means contracts.

The exchange of promises is the definition of a contract. Has been for a long long time.

I like that you are completely liberated from the tyranny of facts and history, though.

And are you saying that people that are taking part in purely religious marriages are expecting their vows to be legally enforceable?


Depends. You're asking about what someone is "expecting," which is a fundamentally different question than what is actually so. If they're aware of the legal requirements, then likely they know the religious part is just a ceremony, a formalization of any actual contract. If they don't know about the secular paperwork for whatever reason, though, then they might be in for a nasty surprise when they try to go through legal processes. That's only an issue for when the law has to get involved, though, such as in tax calculation. Even for divorce purposes,full court proceedings could be tricky, but mediation or binding arbitration should be wall able to handle it, even without the marriage being on the books, so long as both parties assumed the vows were binding.
 
2012-12-23 02:02:28 PM
Wow, way to link to a hate group's website, Fark. Let's see us some more Klan links, too!
 
2012-12-23 02:17:37 PM

Moopy Mac: And are you saying that people that are taking part in purely religious marriages are expecting their vows to be legally enforceable?


I can't speak to people's expectations, but if you get "married" in a church without completing the proper civil paperwork, and then represent yourself as "married" for any public or official purpose, you're technically committing fraud.

Do people actually do this? Have a church ceremony without validating it legally? I've never seen it, and I would expect churches to have rules against it.
 
2012-12-23 03:18:12 PM

12349876: R.P.M.: you used the word "civil" a lot, so what is so wrong about "civil union"?

Tell that to the gay marriage opponents. Most of the bans they've passed in recent years cover civil unions too.


i have and would again. =)

Z-clipped

i'll have to look more into the history of "marriage" to see if religion or gov't had more influence, so i give you that. i just thought it would solve the issue quickly because the religious types couldn't do anything. i think more would get done instead of fighting over a word (in gov't documents. people can call what they have whatever they want). besides, it could be like a "take back the name" thing. i see your side, so i agree to disagree, but for me, the gov't can call whatever i have whatever they want, as long as the rights are preserved.
 
2012-12-23 03:31:07 PM

DancingElkCondor: So wait....if you admit you like to watch people being promiscuous (whoever heard of porn stars "just doing one person", amirite?), you will support gay marraige.......BUT, if you lie about watching pron, you are against gay marraige?


Never heard of Wifey or Heather (of I.D.T.com)?
 
2012-12-23 03:36:24 PM

12349876: R.P.M.: you used the word "civil" a lot, so what is so wrong about "civil union"?

Tell that to the gay marriage opponents. Most of the bans they've passed in recent years cover civil unions too.


Yep. It's not about the word "marriage" at all. The sooner these "what about civil unions?" dimwits realize that the better.
 
2012-12-23 04:29:55 PM

MayoSlather: I don't look at porn and don't care for same sex marriage either. It's more about having discipline and being bound to a set of virtues than anything else. Women in porn are abused and are victims of a male dominated society. Respecting women and marriage is serving a higher good, and not being a slave to popular opinion even now on the heels of new legislation. These two things are tied together, and while I know how hard it is to restrain yourself from watching porn it is a form of sadism to support an industry that shackles women to a life of depravity.


I actually know women and men who believe this. I usually point out that one of the most famous prostitutes of Northern Nevada lives in my city, in a home so expensive I'm pretty sure she can afford gold-plated toilet paper to wipe her ass with.

There's a lot of sex trafficking in the world, but not everything involving paid sex, or even free sex, is sex trafficking.
 
2012-12-23 04:33:36 PM

Insatiable Jesus: I like looking at porn of men who don't support same sex marriage.


Can we not bring the Fox News Channel into this thread?
 
2012-12-23 07:16:51 PM
Solution to an industry that shackles women to a life of depravity: gay porn
Solution to gay porn: gay marriage

Since the gay can defeat these wicked crooks, we therefore declare that batman is gay
 
2012-12-23 08:17:48 PM

LucklessWonder: [farm4.static.flickr.com image 212x278]

If you know who she is, you approve of same sex marriage... :-p


She looks like the "Who farted, y'all?" chick.

www.fuckfrance.com
 
2012-12-24 02:08:04 AM

LucklessWonder: [farm4.static.flickr.com image 212x278]

If you know who she is, you approve of same sex marriage... :-p


i thought everyone knew who vicky vette is ...
 
2012-12-24 02:59:43 AM

Serious Black: Yeah, I'm sure Asia Carrera is being abused and a victim of society. I mean, why would any self-respecting woman who is a card-carrying member of MENSA and who earned a farking full ride to Rutgers University decide to do hardcore porn?


My guess is going to be chronic sexual abuse or revenge against daddy for putting to much pressure on her to be perfect. Maybe girl met real world and found out she couldn't cope with it.

Not saying women can't legitimately choose to be in porn, and enjoy it. But the assumption that a smart woman can't be really farked up and get some sort of sick validation out of debasing herself for everyone to see... well that's just dumb. Post hoc justifications on her part notwithstanding.

She certainly fled that world as hard as she could (moved to UTAH to live amongst people who are probably disgusted by her).
 
2012-12-25 07:00:33 AM

Virtuoso80: Well that makes sense. I mean, what straight guy hasn't at the very least tried masturbating to a hot-looking tranny at some point in his porn-surfing history!

....er, right guys?


tried it? i'm doing it right now. bianca freire is hot, even if she has a dick.
 
2012-12-25 11:06:50 AM

Gyrfalcon: MayoSlather: I don't look at porn and don't care for same sex marriage either. It's more about having discipline and being bound to a set of virtues than anything else. Women in porn are abused and are victims of a male dominated society. Respecting women and marriage is serving a higher good, and not being a slave to popular opinion even now on the heels of new legislation. These two things are tied together, and while I know how hard it is to restrain yourself from watching porn it is a form of sadism to support an industry that shackles women to a life of depravity.

Tell us more...


The post was secretly about marriage, huh?

I get it.
 
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