Wait, that is an incomplete punnet chart.  What about those of us who watch porn, but are against all marriage?

Look at pr0n? Check.
Support same sex marriage? Check.

I'll have to find something else to be non-conformist about.

Preventing adults from engaging in consensual acts would really interfere with my porn viewing.

HotWingAgenda: Wait, that is an incomplete punnet chart.  What about those of us who watch porn, but are against all marriage?

Are you really against all marriage or can you just not find a woman who will marry you?

/in the same boat, man...
//loading up redtube to crank one out before bed
///sobs quietly so i don't wake my roommate

I like looking at porn of men who don't support same sex marriage.

Not at all surprising.

Some people are just too simple to overcome their primitive human nature to fear what they don't understand.

I only approve of porn stars getting married. No one else.

... But really, the Boobies (hah!) got it right. I couldn't have put it any better.

Teufelaffe: ...Remy Lacroix...

Mrtraveler01: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705288350/Utah-No-1-in-online-porn - subscriptions-report-says.html?pg=all

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I can only assume that's because Utah citizens subscribe to some kind of Mormon within-marriage-only porn sites.

The civilized world stopped paying for porn long ago.

Love porn, love seeing people in love getting married. Glad to conform for once.

HotWingAgenda: Wait, that is an incomplete punnet chart.  What about those of us who watch porn, but are against all marriage?

I'm one of the few liberals I know who is adamantly opposed to gay marriage. I think the state should get out of the marriage business altogether so gay marriage to me is like rats jumping on to the sinking ship. I feel that there is something deeply underhanded and even abusive to homosexuals in the entire gay marriage agenda. Encouraging people to go fight for equal membership in a pointless, meaningless, and dying institution strikes me as plain mean.

worlddan: HotWingAgenda: Wait, that is an incomplete punnet chart.  What about those of us who watch porn, but are against all marriage?

I'm one of the few liberals I know who is adamantly opposed to gay marriage. I think the state should get out of the marriage business altogether so gay marriage to me is like rats jumping on to the sinking ship. I feel that there is something deeply underhanded and even abusive to homosexuals in the entire gay marriage agenda. Encouraging people to go fight for equal membership in a pointless, meaningless, and dying institution strikes me as plain mean.

That's an awful strange argument. Care to back up all those assertions? Why, in your opinion, is marriage pointless, meaningless, and dying?

Are you recently divorced or something? Old lady took everything and left you with the property taxes?

worlddan: I think the state should get out of the marriage business altogether

Why? It's the State's job to enforce civil contracts. Marriage (in its many historical forms) is one of the oldest civil contracts in existence.

I'm in favor of gay marriage but I oppose gay divorce. How dare they trample all over our most sacred institution.

randomjsa: Look at pr0n? Check.
Support same sex marriage? Check.

I'll have to find something else to be non-conformist about.



Just a suggestion.

HotWingAgenda: Wait, that is an incomplete punnet chart.  What about those of us who watch porn, but are against all marriage?

Or those of us who think people should just do whatever they want and let the rest of us watch what we want?

Z-clipped: worlddan: I think the state should get out of the marriage business altogether

Marriage (in its many historical forms) is one of the oldest civil contracts in existence.

That is an anachronism. Simply because a ceremony is public doesn't make it civil (in the legal sense of that term). Marriage as a civil, legal, matter to be enforced by the state is quite the recent vintage, historically speaking, at least within the Western tradition. Even 150 years ago it was uncommon for there to be any type of civil recognition given to marriage and to the extent such civil acknowledgement did exist (e.g., wills) it was entirely piggybacked upon what the religious sector of society did. Marriages in the religious sense are by no means contracts.

Gay couples can adopt kids, but most states don't recognize gay marriage. Makes no sense whatsoever.

You know, it is becoming a cliche' that the conservative position is so willing to lie to support their position. Now they will lie to create a moral position where there never even was one (The connection between homosexuality, and pornography? Seriously?). I mean, what is the connection? They both have something to do with sex? Reading the comments, I felt my I.Q. slip a few points. They don't even get it! I still say: It's like trying to argue with 12 year olds with ADD on a sugar rush. GAHHH! GGOOOOODDDD!!! HeLLLLLLLLL!! BOOBBBBBBBSSSSSSS!

They've got me pegged.

/let your freak flags fly, folks.

Blue_Blazer: worlddan: HotWingAgenda: Wait, that is an incomplete punnet chart.  What about those of us who watch porn, but are against all marriage?

I'm one of the few liberals I know who is adamantly opposed to gay marriage. I think the state should get out of the marriage business altogether so gay marriage to me is like rats jumping on to the sinking ship. I feel that there is something deeply underhanded and even abusive to homosexuals in the entire gay marriage agenda. Encouraging people to go fight for equal membership in a pointless, meaningless, and dying institution strikes me as plain mean.

That's an awful strange argument. Care to back up all those assertions? Why, in your opinion, is marriage pointless, meaningless, and dying?

Are you recently divorced or something? Old lady took everything and left you with the property taxes?

No, he just wants to feel like his view is ahead of the rest of ours and feel superior.

I've yet to see anything approaching a reasonable argument for no state recognition of marriage.

Gyrfalcon: HotWingAgenda: Wait, that is an incomplete punnet chart.  What about those of us who watch porn, but are against all marriage?

Or those of us who think people should just do whatever they want and let the rest of us watch what we want?

I am outside your window, watching everything I want.

worlddan: Z-clipped: worlddan: I think the state should get out of the marriage business altogether

Marriage (in its many historical forms) is one of the oldest civil contracts in existence.

That is an anachronism. Simply because a ceremony is public doesn't make it civil (in the legal sense of that term). Marriage as a civil, legal, matter to be enforced by the state is quite the recent vintage, historically speaking, at least within the Western tradition. Even 150 years ago it was uncommon for there to be any type of civil recognition given to marriage and to the extent such civil acknowledgement did exist (e.g., wills) it was entirely piggybacked upon what the religious sector of society did. Marriages in the religious sense are by no means contracts.

Define "western tradition" so we can mock you without a goalpost shifting around.

I, Dialectic, am a "Lesbian Man."

worlddan: That is an anachronism. Simply because a ceremony is public doesn't make it civil (in the legal sense of that term). Marriage as a civil, legal, matter to be enforced by the state is quite the recent vintage, historically speaking, at least within the Western tradition. Even 150 years ago it was uncommon for there to be any type of civil recognition given to marriage and to the extent such civil acknowledgement did exist (e.g., wills) it was entirely piggybacked upon what the religious sector of society did. Marriages in the religious sense are by no means contracts.

It always amazes me when something like marriage gets thrown out there that fark'rs like worlddan go out of their way to have to prove that "marriage" is just some whimsical blessing bestowed by some special sky wizard.  I can only assume that worlddan was married and was royally skewed over by the misses.  And now is spending his days in his mothers basement printing out Ron Paul posters.

The simple fact is this - marriage has always been a tool of the governing entity of the time - mainly to deal with property issues.  And it has been true that in some periods of history - the written laws around marriage were a bit sketchy (when this country was founded there were few marriage laws on the books - the puritans of the time fixed that when they realized a woman could simply walk off and declare herself divorced).  But today in the US (and in most parts of Western world) marriage is a civil contract and has nothing to do with religion.  And that civil contract bestows a large number of rights and privileges to that union.  The word in and of itself allows a couple to travel from one country to another and that country will recognize that union.  That country will not recognize "civil union" or "magic papers drawn up by attorney".  They will recognize "marriage".

So get over it.  Marriage is here to stay.  No longer how much straight people screw the institution over.

worlddan: Marriages in the religious sense are by no means contracts.

The exchange of promises is the definition of a contract. Has been for a long long time.

I like that you are completely liberated from the tyranny of facts and history, though.

worlddan: Marriage as a civil, legal, matter to be enforced by the state is quite the recent vintage, historically speaking, at least within the Western tradition.

Marriage has been historically a civil exchange of property (which included the woman, generally) in every western society that was not a theocracy. Are you saying that, because the church became involved in marriage in Western Europe for a brief, 200 year period, that period alone defines marriage in our society today? That's nonsense.

Regardless of history, marriage is unarguably a solely civil contract in our current society. Religious institutions have absolutely no power to marry people. They (among others) are granted the power to officiate the ceremony by the State, but cannot issue a license, validate a marriage, or enforce the contract. It makes absolutely no sense to say that despite the fact that our culture is enormously more varied socially and religiously today (and much more secular as well), we should strive to return to some specific historical paradigm of your choosing, when there is a) plenty more history to choose from and b) nothing wrong with the system we have, except for religious objection to the civil rights of groups they deem distasteful.

I hella look at straight porn and hella support gay marriage

Kome: HotWingAgenda: Wait, that is an incomplete punnet chart.  What about those of us who watch porn, but are against all marriage?

Are you really against all marriage or can you just not find a woman who will marry you?

/in the same boat, man...
//loading up redtube to crank one out before bed
///sobs quietly so i don't wake my roommate

Put a pillow over your Real Doll's mouth. she's too farking loud...

Smackledorfer: Gyrfalcon: HotWingAgenda: Wait, that is an incomplete punnet chart.  What about those of us who watch porn, but are against all marriage?

Or those of us who think people should just do whatever they want and let the rest of us watch what we want?

I am outside your window, watching everything I want.

I live on the third floor, so watch very carefully.

Mark Ratner: Gay couples can adopt kids, but most states don't recognize gay marriage. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Huh? You don't have to be married to have a kid. Why should you have to be married to adopt a kid?

randomjsa: I'll have to find something else to be non-conformist about.

It's a shame, but this sentiment seems to be the driving factor in a lot of people's political opinions these days.

MayoSlather: I don't look at porn and don't care for same sex marriage either. It's more about having discipline and being bound to a set of virtues than anything else. Women in porn are abused and are victims of a male dominated society. Respecting women and marriage is serving a higher good, and not being a slave to popular opinion even now on the heels of new legislation. These two things are tied together, and while I know how hard it is to restrain yourself from watching porn it is a form of sadism to support an industry that shackles women to a life of depravity.

And what 'virtues' do you think keeping people who love each other from marrying involve?

MayoSlather: I don't look at porn and don't care for same sex marriage either. It's more about having discipline and being bound to a set of virtues than anything else. Women in porn are abused and are victims of a male dominated society. Respecting women and marriage is serving a higher good, and not being a slave to popular opinion even now on the heels of new legislation. These two things are tied together, and while I know how hard it is to restrain yourself from watching porn it is a form of sadism to support an industry that shackles women to a life of depravity.

i love it when people say that. it turns me on.

MayoSlather: I don't look at porn and don't care for same sex marriage either. It's more about having discipline and being bound to a set of virtues than anything else. Women in porn are abused and are victims of a male dominated society. Respecting women and marriage is serving a higher good, and not being a slave to popular opinion even now on the heels of new legislation. These two things are tied together, and while I know how hard it is to restrain yourself from watching porn it is a form of sadism to support an industry that shackles women to a life of depravity.

Yeah, I'm sure Asia Carrera is being abused and a victim of society. I mean, why would any self-respecting woman who is a card-carrying member of MENSA and who earned a farking full ride to Rutgers University decide to do hardcore porn?

MayoSlather: I don't look at porn and don't care for same sex marriage either. It's more about having discipline and being bound to a set of virtues than anything else. Women in porn are abused and are victims of a male dominated society. Respecting women and marriage is serving a higher good, and not being a slave to popular opinion even now on the heels of new legislation. These two things are tied together, and while I know how hard it is to restrain yourself from watching porn it is a form of sadism to support an industry that shackles women to a life of depravity.

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