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(Daily Mail)   5ft 7in tall, 171 pounds, with a chest-waist-hips ratio of 35-30-40 inches, ladies and gentlemen: 'The most nearly perfect physical specimen of womanhood' 1912 edition (Not safe for work content in article)   (dailymail.co.uk ) divider line
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2012-12-22 08:48:42 PM  
Where's the NSFW tag, mods?

/I'd hit it
 
2012-12-22 08:50:48 PM  
I'd beefsteak HER mainstay, if you know what I mean.
 
2012-12-22 09:04:11 PM  

Lando Lincoln: I'd beefsteak HER mainstay, if you know what I mean.


I'd let her mainstay my beefsteak, if you know what I mean.
 
2012-12-22 09:04:23 PM  
I'm upset they don't have a back view.
 
2012-12-22 09:10:16 PM  

upload.wikimedia.org
"It would please me to ravage her quite thoroughly."

 
2012-12-22 09:17:50 PM  
So really beefstick or beefstick beefstick?
 
2012-12-22 09:22:04 PM  
Them's birthin hips!

/and plow pullin legs.
 
2012-12-22 09:27:03 PM  
Tits are too small for my taste. Otherwise pleasing, though.
 
2012-12-22 09:30:15 PM  
Fatty thread!
 
2012-12-22 09:30:26 PM  

basemetal: Them's birthin hips!

/and plow pullin legs.


Came to say that... birthing hips was the most important thing for a woman until about 40 years ago.
 
2012-12-22 09:44:09 PM  
Nowadays, a woman with those measurements would be called a cow and told to lose 30 pounds.  Which is a pretty shiatty indictment on today's society.
 
2012-12-22 09:44:19 PM  
I'd brace her tramp!


/before she crushed me
 
2012-12-22 09:56:28 PM  
...Aaaaaand gay as Paris in Springtime.  Seriously.  There are so damn many early-20th-century lesbian dog whistles in her quotes it makes my head spin.

Women should never be afraid, fresh air and tramping through the woods, "ardent" suffragette, no mention of marriage at all, wants to take over the farm...  If she were alive today, she'd be taking her degree in gay rights activism.
 
2012-12-22 10:00:51 PM  
www.theodore-roosevelt.com

Alice Roosevelt.
Smokin' hot but one false move and her daddy would gut you like the mountain lion he singlehandedly killed in 1883 or something.
 
2012-12-22 10:02:14 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: ...Aaaaaand gay as Paris in Springtime.  Seriously.  There are so damn many early-20th-century lesbian dog whistles in her quotes it makes my head spin.

Women should never be afraid, fresh air and tramping through the woods, "ardent" suffragette, no mention of marriage at all, wants to take over the farm...  If she were alive today, she'd be taking her degree in gay rights activism.


Wait a minute, are you shiatting me?  Thinking women shouldn't be afraid, enjoying fresh air and walking around in the sunshine, wanting women to get the vote, and not believing their identity revolved around a husband equals being a lesbian?  WTF?  She may well have been a lesbian and she may not have been, who knows.  I just don't think enjoying walks in the sunshine makes you more apt to want to eat pussy.  I like walks in the sunshine, and I'm strictly dickly.
 
2012-12-22 10:09:01 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Benevolent Misanthrope: ...Aaaaaand gay as Paris in Springtime.  Seriously.  There are so damn many early-20th-century lesbian dog whistles in her quotes it makes my head spin.

Women should never be afraid, fresh air and tramping through the woods, "ardent" suffragette, no mention of marriage at all, wants to take over the farm...  If she were alive today, she'd be taking her degree in gay rights activism.

Wait a minute, are you shiatting me?  Thinking women shouldn't be afraid, enjoying fresh air and walking around in the sunshine, wanting women to get the vote, and not believing their identity revolved around a husband equals being a lesbian?  WTF?  She may well have been a lesbian and she may not have been, who knows.  I just don't think enjoying walks in the sunshine makes you more apt to want to eat pussy.  I like walks in the sunshine, and I'm strictly dickly.


Saying it out loud in 1912 did, yes.  Things have changed a great deal over the years, even in my lifetime.  You'd be surprised.
 
2012-12-22 10:10:57 PM  
I've a feeling this thread is about to get very interesting.....

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-22 10:11:39 PM  

Amos Quito: Where's the NSFW tag, mods?

/I'd hit it


What is NSFW by 21st century standards?  I grant you that those line drawings article may have caused a stir in 1912.
Still, I'm having a hard time imagining that anyone's reaction to the images of Elsie would be to blush and get the vapours..
 
2012-12-22 10:11:45 PM  
Who's going to cap to this later on? Be honest.
 
2012-12-22 10:12:32 PM  
Fap. Ugh, preview is your friend.
 
2012-12-22 10:13:19 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Coco LaFemme: Benevolent Misanthrope: ...Aaaaaand gay as Paris in Springtime.  Seriously.  There are so damn many early-20th-century lesbian dog whistles in her quotes it makes my head spin.

Women should never be afraid, fresh air and tramping through the woods, "ardent" suffragette, no mention of marriage at all, wants to take over the farm...  If she were alive today, she'd be taking her degree in gay rights activism.

Wait a minute, are you shiatting me?  Thinking women shouldn't be afraid, enjoying fresh air and walking around in the sunshine, wanting women to get the vote, and not believing their identity revolved around a husband equals being a lesbian?  WTF?  She may well have been a lesbian and she may not have been, who knows.  I just don't think enjoying walks in the sunshine makes you more apt to want to eat pussy.  I like walks in the sunshine, and I'm strictly dickly.

Saying it out loud in 1912 did, yes.  Things have changed a great deal over the years, even in my lifetime.  You'd be surprised.


No, I don't think I'd be surprised at the number of things that have changed in this world since the Titanic sank.  I was just taken aback at the suggestion that liking walks in fresh air meant you were secretly telling people you liked the ladies.  I would imagine that even in 1912, women enjoyed not sitting in a stuffy house all day if they could afford a few minutes out of it.

Then again, I was born 70 years after the period we're talking about, so what the hell do I know.
 
2012-12-22 10:33:10 PM  
In fairness, this woman would be considered a moo cow by a lot of folks' standards today...

www.blogcdn.com
 
2012-12-22 10:34:05 PM  

fusillade762: Tits are too small for my taste. Otherwise pleasing, though.


We're not terribly refined around here, it seems :-)
 
2012-12-22 10:41:24 PM  

basemetal: Them's birthin hips!

/and plow pullin legs.



"Birthin' Hips".

Great band name.
 
2012-12-22 10:43:31 PM  
I used to get all bent out of shape about today's standards of beauty. Then I grew up, graduated from college, got out in the world, and realized that plenty of men love them some hips and some double D's. Sure, I'm a hambeast compared to runway models. But I work out on a regular basis, eat healthy, and genuinely like my body. And I'm healthy. I got nothing to complain about!
 
2012-12-22 10:46:48 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Benevolent Misanthrope: Coco LaFemme: Benevolent Misanthrope: ...Aaaaaand gay as Paris in Springtime.  Seriously.  There are so damn many early-20th-century lesbian dog whistles in her quotes it makes my head spin.

Women should never be afraid, fresh air and tramping through the woods, "ardent" suffragette, no mention of marriage at all, wants to take over the farm...  If she were alive today, she'd be taking her degree in gay rights activism.

Wait a minute, are you shiatting me?  Thinking women shouldn't be afraid, enjoying fresh air and walking around in the sunshine, wanting women to get the vote, and not believing their identity revolved around a husband equals being a lesbian?  WTF?  She may well have been a lesbian and she may not have been, who knows.  I just don't think enjoying walks in the sunshine makes you more apt to want to eat pussy.  I like walks in the sunshine, and I'm strictly dickly.

Saying it out loud in 1912 did, yes.  Things have changed a great deal over the years, even in my lifetime.  You'd be surprised.

No, I don't think I'd be surprised at the number of things that have changed in this world since the Titanic sank.  I was just taken aback at the suggestion that liking walks in fresh air meant you were secretly telling people you liked the ladies.  I would imagine that even in 1912, women enjoyed not sitting in a stuffy house all day if they could afford a few minutes out of it.

Then again, I was born 70 years after the period we're talking about, so what the hell do I know.


I came out during a time (The Reagan Years) when we communicated with one another in these ways.  It's not that women back in 1912 didn't like walks - but the respectable form was walks in the park, not tramping through the woods.  Being "outdoorsy" was a euphemism even when I was coming out.  Suffragettes were of course mostly straight... but defining oneself as an ardent suffragette was akin to coming out, really.  No mention of marriage, while not necessarily a defining thing, was certainly unusual.

It's a combination of the dog whistles that does it for me.  I'd love to know what her life was like, whether she buckled to the pressure to marry and make babies, or was a "spinster" who lived with her "companion", or married an equally unusual man and were friends with another unusual couple with whom they spent ALOT of time...
 
2012-12-22 10:52:44 PM  

MajorGroove: I used to get all bent out of shape about today's standards of beauty. Then I grew up, graduated from college, got out in the world, and realized that plenty of men love them some hips and some double D's. Sure, I'm a hambeast compared to runway models. But I work out on a regular basis, eat healthy, and genuinely like my body. And I'm healthy. I got nothing to complain about!


The one thing that you have to remember:

mlkshk.com
 
2012-12-22 10:53:47 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Coco LaFemme: Benevolent Misanthrope: Coco LaFemme: Benevolent Misanthrope: ...Aaaaaand gay as Paris in Springtime.  Seriously.  There are so damn many early-20th-century lesbian dog whistles in her quotes it makes my head spin.

Women should never be afraid, fresh air and tramping through the woods, "ardent" suffragette, no mention of marriage at all, wants to take over the farm...  If she were alive today, she'd be taking her degree in gay rights activism.

Wait a minute, are you shiatting me?  Thinking women shouldn't be afraid, enjoying fresh air and walking around in the sunshine, wanting women to get the vote, and not believing their identity revolved around a husband equals being a lesbian?  WTF?  She may well have been a lesbian and she may not have been, who knows.  I just don't think enjoying walks in the sunshine makes you more apt to want to eat pussy.  I like walks in the sunshine, and I'm strictly dickly.

Saying it out loud in 1912 did, yes.  Things have changed a great deal over the years, even in my lifetime.  You'd be surprised.

No, I don't think I'd be surprised at the number of things that have changed in this world since the Titanic sank.  I was just taken aback at the suggestion that liking walks in fresh air meant you were secretly telling people you liked the ladies.  I would imagine that even in 1912, women enjoyed not sitting in a stuffy house all day if they could afford a few minutes out of it.

Then again, I was born 70 years after the period we're talking about, so what the hell do I know.

I came out during a time (The Reagan Years) when we communicated with one another in these ways.  It's not that women back in 1912 didn't like walks - but the respectable form was walks in the park, not tramping through the woods.  Being "outdoorsy" was a euphemism even when I was coming out.  Suffragettes were of course mostly straight... but defining oneself as an ardent suffragette was akin to coming out, really.  No mention of marriage, while no ...


All that is very valid.  I also think maybe it has to do with how and where she was raised.  If she was raised on a farm and had no mother, she was used to a different kind of life and upbringing than someone else during the same time period.  Maybe for her, women working on a farm, "tramping" around the outdoors, and being outdoorsy was all she knew.  I mean, Long Island back then was very rural compared to what it's like today.  Someone of the same age living in Manhattan would have no experience with those things, and thus wouldn't find working on a farm all that enjoyable.

Like I said, it's very possible she was a lesbian and was telling everyone in coded language that other lesbians would pick up on, or she was just a country girl who didn't have city girl ambitions.  I don't know.
 
2012-12-22 11:06:33 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Like I said, it's very possible she was a lesbian and was telling everyone in coded language that other lesbians would pick up on, or she was just a country girl who didn't have city girl ambitions. I don't know.


r perhaps she was like I was before I came out - I sent off incredible gay signals without knowing it at all - I was unconventionl, I knew that, and I knew I liked girls, but I wasn;t consiously trying to raise a flag or anything.  And yet I did.

We will, of course, never know.  And it's really none of my business anyway, except that if I'd been at Cornell in 1912, I'd have been trying every means at my disposal to confirm so I could date her.
 
2012-12-22 11:11:45 PM  

hubiestubert: MajorGroove: I used to get all bent out of shape about today's standards of beauty. Then I grew up, graduated from college, got out in the world, and realized that plenty of men love them some hips and some double D's. Sure, I'm a hambeast compared to runway models. But I work out on a regular basis, eat healthy, and genuinely like my body. And I'm healthy. I got nothing to complain about!

The one thing that you have to remember:

[mlkshk.com image 500x250]


God help me, but it's the truth!
 
2012-12-22 11:33:43 PM  
I would hit it like an automated steam locomotive!
 
2012-12-22 11:50:34 PM  

Amos Quito: Where's the NSFW tag, mods?


Seriously? Do you work in an Amish Bakery or something?
 
2012-12-22 11:59:23 PM  
Missing: 1912 equivalent of Studman69
 
2012-12-23 12:17:37 AM  

Gulper Eel: Alice Roosevelt.
Smokin' hot but one false move and her daddy would gut you like the mountain lion he singlehandedly killed in 1883 or something.


It would have been worth it. I imagine conversation with her to be a combination of sweaty lambada, and fencing with live steel.
 
2012-12-23 12:19:02 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: ...Aaaaaand gay as Paris in Springtime.  Seriously.  There are so damn many early-20th-century lesbian dog whistles in her quotes it makes my head spin.

Women should never be afraid, fresh air and tramping through the woods, "ardent" suffragette, no mention of marriage at all, wants to take over the farm...  If she were alive today, she'd be taking her degree in gay rights activism.


I too would feel absolutely comfortable determining someone's sexual preference based on snippets compiled in a Daily Mail article.
 
2012-12-23 01:02:30 AM  
Gulper Eel: [www.theodore-roosevelt.com image 604x832]

Alice Roosevelt.
Smokin' hot but one false move and her daddy would gut you like the mountain lion he singlehandedly killed in 1883 or something.

I shall invite her to partake in the very latest miracles of modern holistic medicines: plenty of fruit juice, colonics, calisthenics, cornflakes and my penis.
 
2012-12-23 01:54:14 AM  
Long ago, I set my standard for a girl's maximum weight:height ratio:  2.0 lbs./inch.  A 5'7" woman should weigh no more than 134 pounds.

Then I got old and fat, and things changed.
 
2012-12-23 03:12:53 AM  
She's a cow and needs to lose about 30 pounds.
 
2012-12-23 03:16:21 AM  
I wonder what the Kalahari Bushmen's depiction of the perfect woman is?
 
2012-12-23 03:18:52 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Long ago, I set my standard for a girl's maximum weight:height ratio: 2.0 lbs./inch. A 5'7" woman should weigh no more than 134 pounds.


I'm not a big guy... 5'8", 155 lbs, and pretty fit. I've dated all sizes of women from under 5' tall and curvy, to 6'3" runway models, and I must say, I much prefer it if a woman weighs less than I do. Not that big girls are unattractive...I'm no hater. Things just seem to go more smoothly if they don't outweigh me.

But my deal-breaker: Big hands and feet. No matter how attractive, intelligent, funny etc, if her hands and feet are bigger than mine, I just can't do it. It gives me the willies for some reason.
 
2012-12-23 03:23:38 AM  

Z-clipped: BarkingUnicorn: Long ago, I set my standard for a girl's maximum weight:height ratio: 2.0 lbs./inch. A 5'7" woman should weigh no more than 134 pounds.

I'm not a big guy... 5'8", 155 lbs, and pretty fit. I've dated all sizes of women from under 5' tall and curvy, to 6'3" runway models, and I must say, I much prefer it if a woman weighs less than I do. Not that big girls are unattractive...I'm no hater. Things just seem to go more smoothly if they don't outweigh me.

But my deal-breaker: Big hands and feet. No matter how attractive, intelligent, funny etc, if her hands and feet are bigger than mine, I just can't do it. It gives me the willies for some reason.


Grow two pairs...
 
2012-12-23 03:24:07 AM  
A woman who is 5'7" and weighs 171 lbs probably should lose about 10-20 lbs as, unless she's muscular, she's likely medically overweight and is putting herself at higher risk of diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease.
 
2012-12-23 03:24:32 AM  
img.thesun.co.uk
Perfect woman for...wookie work.
 
2012-12-23 03:26:02 AM  
The coolest thing about her is that she wanted to be just like her mommy....who graduated with a medical degree after her children were grown up.
 
2012-12-23 03:27:28 AM  

telaran: A woman who is 5'7" and weighs 171 lbs probably should lose about 10-20 lbs as, unless she's muscular, she's likely medically overweight and is putting herself at higher risk of diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease.


No she really is not at high risk of any of those things.
 
2012-12-23 03:27:57 AM  
I really am not attracted to really obese women, its just my preference. I am not attracted to a woman with the body like a ten speed bike ether. I want a woman not a skinny twig. This obsession with women looking like stick figures is perplexing to me.

sportsblogs.star-telegram.com

Just right!

//Hot like Christina!
 
2012-12-23 03:28:16 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Long ago, I set my standard for a girl's maximum weight:height ratio:  2.0 lbs./inch.  A 5'7" woman should weigh no more than 134 pounds.

Then I got old and fat, and things changed.


You were into anorexics? Dude. That's way too thin. Everyone knows anorexics can't even cook and you'd have to make all of your own sammiches! Glad you wised up.

/chubby, chef type person
 
2012-12-23 03:28:43 AM  
I'm married to her but she's 5'3 and 3/4". No jokes, I'm the luckiest man in Ballard!
 
2012-12-23 03:29:39 AM  

GungFu: [img.thesun.co.uk image 620x727]
Perfect woman for...wookie work.


Or for slow dancing!
 
2012-12-23 03:30:12 AM  
www.bvvp.com
 
2012-12-23 03:30:57 AM  

cretinbob: [abovethelaw.com image 540x430]

Miss Perfect Cornell 2012


Those are outstanding.
 
2012-12-23 03:33:35 AM  

MajorGroove: I used to get all bent out of shape about today's standards of beauty. Then I grew up, graduated from college, got out in the world, and realized that plenty of men love them some hips and some double D's. Sure, I'm a hambeast compared to runway models. But I work out on a regular basis, eat healthy, and genuinely like my body. And I'm healthy. I got nothing to complain about!


Mmmmmm..... ham.
 
2012-12-23 03:33:46 AM  
EEK GAGS! Can't imagine anybody ever Farkin' that beast!
 
2012-12-23 03:34:42 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: BarkingUnicorn: Long ago, I set my standard for a girl's maximum weight:height ratio:  2.0 lbs./inch.  A 5'7" woman should weigh no more than 134 pounds.

Then I got old and fat, and things changed.

You were into anorexics? Dude. That's way too thin. Everyone knows anorexics can't even cook and you'd have to make all of your own sammiches! Glad you wised up.

/chubby, chef type person


Chef type person? Make me a sandwich!

Please.
 
2012-12-23 03:34:47 AM  
She means to grow vegetables. Was this a euphemism? Like 23 Skidoo?
 
2012-12-23 03:36:59 AM  

GungFu: Perfect woman for...wookie work.


Yeah, I've been that guy. First date, kissing in the park, practically had to sit on her lap.
 
2012-12-23 03:39:32 AM  

gaspode: telaran: A woman who is 5'7" and weighs 171 lbs probably should lose about 10-20 lbs as, unless she's muscular, she's likely medically overweight and is putting herself at higher risk of diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease.

No she really is not at high risk of any of those things.


I said higher, not high, and yes, she would be. She'd be squarely in the middle of the "overweight" category. Feel free to argue with the AMA and NIH's risk assessment guidelines if you feel like it, however.
 
2012-12-23 03:40:52 AM  
Jesus i'm 6'3" and I weight about that...And I'm not exactly a bean pole either...
 
2012-12-23 03:43:18 AM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: Grow two pairs...


You sound... prehensile.
/amidoin it rite?
 
2012-12-23 03:43:30 AM  

Mock26: Real Women Drink Akvavit: BarkingUnicorn: Long ago, I set my standard for a girl's maximum weight:height ratio:  2.0 lbs./inch.  A 5'7" woman should weigh no more than 134 pounds.

Then I got old and fat, and things changed.

You were into anorexics? Dude. That's way too thin. Everyone knows anorexics can't even cook and you'd have to make all of your own sammiches! Glad you wised up.

/chubby, chef type person

Chef type person? Make me a sandwich!

Please.


Fresh mozzarella, tomato slices, drizzle of olive oil with crisped up pancetta, all on a homemade basil parm bread  that I sometimes put a healthy smear of roasted garlic on comin' right up! I do 'em grilled cheese style and they are nommylicious.

Dammit. Now I'm hungry. Then again, I do have bread in the oven  and can smell it, so that's not helping.
 
2012-12-23 03:44:00 AM  

Z-clipped: BarkingUnicorn: Long ago, I set my standard for a girl's maximum weight:height ratio: 2.0 lbs./inch. A 5'7" woman should weigh no more than 134 pounds.

I'm not a big guy... 5'8", 155 lbs, and pretty fit. I've dated all sizes of women from under 5' tall and curvy, to 6'3" runway models, and I must say, I much prefer it if a woman weighs less than I do. Not that big girls are unattractive...I'm no hater. Things just seem to go more smoothly if they don't outweigh me.

But my deal-breaker: Big hands and feet. No matter how attractive, intelligent, funny etc, if her hands and feet are bigger than mine, I just can't do it. It gives me the willies for some reason.


Gives me the willies, too, when a man's feet are smaller than mine.
 
2012-12-23 03:49:30 AM  
www.geeksofdoom.com
/Am I really the first one to reference this?
 
2012-12-23 03:51:45 AM  

cretinbob: [abovethelaw.com image 540x430]

Miss Perfect Cornell 2012

27.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-23 03:58:23 AM  

Amos Quito: basemetal: Them's birthin hips!

/and plow pullin legs.


"Birthin' Hips".

Great band name.


Nah, the band name to pull from this article is Bracing Tramps...
 
2012-12-23 04:00:29 AM  

Mock26: GungFu: [img.thesun.co.uk image 620x727]
Perfect woman for...wookie work.

Or for slow dancing!


Perfect for slow dancing....

img835.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-23 04:05:24 AM  
In what universe is that NSFW?
 
2012-12-23 04:07:04 AM  
until the day I die, that horrible phrase will be with me.

I will be having lunch with a friend who asks, "what are you going to get?" and I will think to myself, totally against my will, "I will beefsteak her fark NOT AGAIN"
 
2012-12-23 04:20:30 AM  

ItchyMcDoogle: I really am not attracted to really obese women, its just my preference. I am not attracted to a woman with the body like a ten speed bike ether. I want a woman not a skinny twig. This obsession with women looking like stick figures is perplexing to me.

[sportsblogs.star-telegram.com image 250x397]

Just right!

//Hot like Christina!


I'll take that skinny twig! Is just what I find attractive, and always have found attractive. "Curvy" just seems overweight to me and I'm just not interested. A pity for me too, considering the obesity epidemic. At least we can resource partition right?
 
2012-12-23 04:23:47 AM  
the woman had an hour-glass figure. Unfortunately, we waited too long, and all the sand is at the bottom.
 
2012-12-23 04:24:58 AM  

ItchyMcDoogle: I really am not attracted to really obese women, its just my preference. I am not attracted to a woman with the body like a ten speed bike ether. I want a woman not a skinny twig. This obsession with women looking like stick figures is perplexing to me.

[sportsblogs.star-telegram.com image 250x397]

Just right!

//Hot like Christina!


You and me both.

I appreciate athletic, toned women as much as the next guy. But at the end of the day, nothing shuts me up like huge, natural boob stuck in my mouth.

//sigh
 
2012-12-23 04:40:50 AM  

GungFu: [img.thesun.co.uk image 620x727]
Perfect woman for...wookie work.


I'm 6'1", but damn.. is there a giraffe in her family tree?
 
2012-12-23 04:41:54 AM  
The perfect woman: smart

Of course, super fat or any self-inflicted issues are a turn off. But then those issues would show that she is not smart.

/6'1" 176 lbs
 
2012-12-23 04:42:53 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Long ago, I set my standard for a girl's maximum weight:height ratio: 2.0 lbs./inch. A 5'7" woman should weigh no more than 134 pounds.


That seems a bit restrictive. I dated a girl who was 5'7" and a shade over 140, but she had a magnificent figure by nearly any standard. She was a regular runner so maybe it was the extra leg muscle, who knows, but I don't think it's unrealistic for a 5'7" woman to venture into 145 territory without being visibly overweight.

/This chick in the article, however, is not exactly my ideal
 
2012-12-23 04:46:05 AM  

Z-clipped: GungFu: Perfect woman for...wookie work.

Yeah, I've been that guy. First date, kissing in the park, practically had to sit on her lap.


THIS
 
2012-12-23 04:48:52 AM  

telaran: A woman who is 5'7" and weighs 171 lbs probably should lose about 10-20 lbs as, unless she's muscular, she's likely medically overweight and is putting herself at higher risk of diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease.


Sorry, but the slightly overweight (like she is, BMI just over 25) have the longest life expectancies.
 
2012-12-23 04:49:39 AM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, this woman would be considered a moo cow by a lot of folks' standards today...

[www.blogcdn.com image 415x526]


Not many. She's about a size 8 or 9 in today's sizes, which is close to ideal for a majority of men.
Would some guys consider her overweight? Sure, but I'm sure there were guys back then who preferred slender women too.
 
2012-12-23 04:53:55 AM  

MajorGroove: I used to get all bent out of shape about today's standards of beauty. Then I grew up, graduated from college, got out in the world, and realized that plenty of men love them some hips and some double D's. Sure, I'm a hambeast compared to runway models. But I work out on a regular basis, eat healthy, and genuinely like my body. And I'm healthy. I got nothing to complain about!


Who asked? Keep on trying to convince yourself you like being fat and that anyone finds it attractive.
 
2012-12-23 04:59:24 AM  

DanZero: Missing: 1912 equivalent of Studman69


www.majhost.com
 
2012-12-23 05:02:47 AM  

MajorGroove: I used to get all bent out of shape about today's standards of beauty. Then I grew up, graduated from college, got out in the world, and realized that plenty of men love them some hips and some double D's. Sure, I'm a hambeast compared to runway models. But I work out on a regular basis, eat healthy, and genuinely like my body. And I'm healthy. I got nothing to complain about!


how you doin?
 
2012-12-23 05:04:59 AM  

DanZero: Missing: 1912 equivalent of Studman69


I wish i had the 'shop & artistic skills to depict that....
 
2012-12-23 05:06:15 AM  
OH THERES ALWAYS A WIMMIN HATER IN THESE SUBMISSIONS

lolz
 
2012-12-23 05:10:57 AM  
this thread got weird fast
 
2012-12-23 05:12:04 AM  
5ft 7in tall, 171 pounds, with a chest-waist-hips ratio of 35-30-40 inches,

Yo, fo' real playaz. Dat biatch is fat!
 
2012-12-23 05:16:53 AM  

St. Celery: MajorGroove: I used to get all bent out of shape about today's standards of beauty. Then I grew up, graduated from college, got out in the world, and realized that plenty of men love them some hips and some double D's. Sure, I'm a hambeast compared to runway models. But I work out on a regular basis, eat healthy, and genuinely like my body. And I'm healthy. I got nothing to complain about!

Who asked? Keep on trying to convince yourself you like being fat and that anyone finds it attractive.


7/10
Structure - excellent. Uses inflammatory opening statement, followed by verb-dense "assault" of loaded terms.
Plot - fair. Follow-up not as effective as the opening statement, and peters out to ineffective conclusion. Lacks images.
Conclusion - you got me to bite, so "well done!"

/ loves me some curves
// Mrs. Gormsby has curves
 
2012-12-23 05:19:02 AM  
This woman is pure gold. I like a woman who can work alongside me. Gimme.
 
2012-12-23 05:29:22 AM  

kxs401: telaran: A woman who is 5'7" and weighs 171 lbs probably should lose about 10-20 lbs as, unless she's muscular, she's likely medically overweight and is putting herself at higher risk of diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease.

Sorry, but the slightly overweight (like she is, BMI just over 25) have the longest life expectancies.


Nope. Link:

We conclude that for non-Hispanic whites, both overweight and obesity are associated with increased all-cause mortality, and underweight may be as well. All-cause mortality is generally lowest within the BMI range of 20.0 to 24.9. The results of our analysis are most relevant to whites living in affluent countries; similar analyses are under way in other populations.

The article, which is a meta-analysis of studies including 1.46 Million white adults, notes that, while some studies in the meta-analysis suggested that overweight carries little risk and some showed a possible benefit, they were confounded with smoking and preexisting illness. When pooled with other studies and examining the resultant large amounts of participant data, BMI above 25 - overweight - and obese showed increased rates of all-cause mortality.
 
2012-12-23 05:31:52 AM  

telaran: kxs401: telaran: A woman who is 5'7" and weighs 171 lbs probably should lose about 10-20 lbs as, unless she's muscular, she's likely medically overweight and is putting herself at higher risk of diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease.

Sorry, but the slightly overweight (like she is, BMI just over 25) have the longest life expectancies.

Nope. Link:

We conclude that for non-Hispanic whites, both overweight and obesity are associated with increased all-cause mortality, and underweight may be as well. All-cause mortality is generally lowest within the BMI range of 20.0 to 24.9. The results of our analysis are most relevant to whites living in affluent countries; similar analyses are under way in other populations.

The article, which is a meta-analysis of studies including 1.46 Million white adults, notes that, while some studies in the meta-analysis suggested that overweight carries little risk and some showed a possible benefit, they were confounded with smoking and preexisting illness. When pooled with other studies and examining the resultant large amounts of participant data, BMI above 25 - overweight - and obese showed increased rates of all-cause mortality.


I would rather live happily than live a long life.
 
2012-12-23 05:34:09 AM  
Apparently "NSFW content" is this the new "smoking hot" when it appears in a headline.

/no probs
//I don't need fark to find NSFW stuff
 
2012-12-23 05:36:18 AM  

cowgirl toffee: Mock26: GungFu: [img.thesun.co.uk image 620x727]
Perfect woman for...wookie work.

Or for slow dancing!

Perfect for slow dancing....

[img835.imageshack.us image 320x224]


She needs
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2012-12-23 05:39:23 AM  

GungFu: [img.thesun.co.uk image 620x727]
Perfect woman for...wookie work.


Her thighs don't touch at top. Instant turn-off for me.

/not that I would have a chance with her, anyway
 
2012-12-23 05:40:54 AM  

Gulper Eel: [www.theodore-roosevelt.com image 604x832]

Alice Roosevelt.
Smokin' hot but one false move and her daddy would gut you like the mountain lion he singlehandedly killed in 1883 or something.


Cheese und crackers that's a cute young lady - is she available? I wonder if her dada would accept a dozen mountain cat pelts for her hand in marriage?
Or perhaps a Henry rifle?
 
2012-12-23 05:42:26 AM  

telaran: kxs401: telaran: A woman who is 5'7" and weighs 171 lbs probably should lose about 10-20 lbs as, unless she's muscular, she's likely medically overweight and is putting herself at higher risk of diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease.

Sorry, but the slightly overweight (like she is, BMI just over 25) have the longest life expectancies.

Nope. Link:

We conclude that for non-Hispanic whites, both overweight and obesity are associated with increased all-cause mortality, and underweight may be as well. All-cause mortality is generally lowest within the BMI range of 20.0 to 24.9. The results of our analysis are most relevant to whites living in affluent countries; similar analyses are under way in other populations.

The article, which is a meta-analysis of studies including 1.46 Million white adults, notes that, while some studies in the meta-analysis suggested that overweight carries little risk and some showed a possible benefit, they were confounded with smoking and preexisting illness. When pooled with other studies and examining the resultant large amounts of participant data, BMI above 25 - overweight - and obese showed increased rates of all-cause mortality.


I love when people try to disguise their hatred of overweight people with "concern" for their health. Studies on the effect of a BMI between 25 and 30 on health are not clear at all. Never mind the fact that waist-to-hip ratio is a better predictor of health problems than BMI.
 
2012-12-23 05:48:42 AM  

Tellingthem: Jesus i'm 6'3" and I weight about that...And I'm not exactly a bean pole either...


According to the AMA you are average and healthy. Personally, my best weight has been 185 lbs. as an adult (I had abs for a brief time). I am 5'6" and at that time I could clean and press 250 lbs. and did so regularly each day as part of my job (yes, I should have asked for a team lift, but I could move the boxes myself with minor effort). It scared the hell out of the customers. That puts me at obese for that weight and I was only that light since that job paid me so little that I could barely afford food after rent, heat, and driving to work in an owned econo car!

Then again, their chart puts puts a famous body builder that won the Mister Universe contest once as an amateur and three times in a row as a professional as obese! His personal records for lifting clean & press - 264 lb (120 kg), snatch - 243 lb (110 kg), clean & jerk - 298 lb (135 kg), Squat - 215 kg (470 lb), Bench press - 200 kg (440 lb), deadlift - 310 kg (680 lb). Certainly not some flabby guy. Granted, his height is argued over as between 5'10" and 6'2" for some reason, but his average weight has been 250 lbs.

collider.com

Would you tell him that he is obese?

Their data is out of date or skewed by countries with other health problems (famine, pollution, poor regional diet, ect.) or ethnicity (some areas have bred humans that or taller or weigh more. Look at Norway.)

My wife has bigger tits and weighs a bit more than this woman. She is as strong and hot as hell. It is no fun not having her able to roll me around in bed.

\did you say citation needed? LEARN TO GOOGLE YOU LAZY GIRLY-MAN
\\I showed you who I was referring too for the celebrity
\\\the AMA chart is in google
\the slashies compel you!
 
2012-12-23 05:52:27 AM  

telaran: A woman who is 5'7" and weighs 171 lbs probably should lose about 10-20 lbs as, unless she's muscular, she's likely medically overweight and is putting herself at higher risk of diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease.


Not really. Ideal weight is higher than what the modern charts tell you. In fact, a woman should weigh a bit more than the charts say for optimal health, bone density and so on. I see you've cited a single study. Multiple studies have contradicted the findings from that one.
 
2012-12-23 05:57:35 AM  
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2012-12-23 06:03:29 AM  

Z-clipped: BarkingUnicorn: Long ago, I set my standard for a girl's maximum weight:height ratio: 2.0 lbs./inch. A 5'7" woman should weigh no more than 134 pounds.

I'm not a big guy... 5'8", 155 lbs, and pretty fit. I've dated all sizes of women from under 5' tall and curvy, to 6'3" runway models, and I must say, I much prefer it if a woman weighs less than I do. Not that big girls are unattractive...I'm no hater. Things just seem to go more smoothly if they don't outweigh me.

But my deal-breaker: Big hands and feet. No matter how attractive, intelligent, funny etc, if her hands and feet are bigger than mine, I just can't do it. It gives me the willies for some reason.


I can see how this might be a problem. You're only supposed to have one willie. If I suddenly found myself with multiple willies, I'm not sure what I'd do with the extras. However I'd probably figure it out and have a helluva time.
 
2012-12-23 06:12:07 AM  

telaran: kxs401: telaran: A woman who is 5'7" and weighs 171 lbs probably should lose about 10-20 lbs as, unless she's muscular, she's likely medically overweight and is putting herself at higher risk of diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease.

Sorry, but the slightly overweight (like she is, BMI just over 25) have the longest life expectancies.

Nope. Link:

We conclude that for non-Hispanic whites, both overweight and obesity are associated with increased all-cause mortality, and underweight may be as well. All-cause mortality is generally lowest within the BMI range of 20.0 to 24.9. The results of our analysis are most relevant to whites living in affluent countries; similar analyses are under way in other populations.

The article, which is a meta-analysis of studies including 1.46 Million white adults, notes that, while some studies in the meta-analysis suggested that overweight carries little risk and some showed a possible benefit, they were confounded with smoking and preexisting illness. When pooled with other studies and examining the resultant large amounts of participant data, BMI above 25 - overweight - and obese showed increased rates of all-cause mortality.


You need to farking RELAX!
 
2012-12-23 06:13:32 AM  

PaLarkin: Z-clipped: BarkingUnicorn: Long ago, I set my standard for a girl's maximum weight:height ratio: 2.0 lbs./inch. A 5'7" woman should weigh no more than 134 pounds.

I'm not a big guy... 5'8", 155 lbs, and pretty fit. I've dated all sizes of women from under 5' tall and curvy, to 6'3" runway models, and I must say, I much prefer it if a woman weighs less than I do. Not that big girls are unattractive...I'm no hater. Things just seem to go more smoothly if they don't outweigh me.

But my deal-breaker: Big hands and feet. No matter how attractive, intelligent, funny etc, if her hands and feet are bigger than mine, I just can't do it. It gives me the willies for some reason.

I can see how this might be a problem. You're only supposed to have one willie. If I suddenly found myself with multiple willies, I'm not sure what I'd do with the extras. However I'd probably figure it out and have a helluva time.


Some women have 2 vaginas.Google Blanche Dumas.

I'm a little curious as how one determines a woman has bigger feet than oneself. It requires a lot of looking down and it's not always obvious by looking at their shoes. I often wear a size 10, which is a bit big on me, because I like to shovel in cushioning insoles.

At any rate after reading that woman's body proportions I now feel a lot better about myself, although I do know I carry extra fat, I'm also muscular enough to keep it toned. End result is I look reasonably fine.
 
2012-12-23 06:18:30 AM  

telaran: kxs401: telaran: A woman who is 5'7" and weighs 171 lbs probably should lose about 10-20 lbs as, unless she's muscular, she's likely medically overweight and is putting herself at higher risk of diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease.

Sorry, but the slightly overweight (like she is, BMI just over 25) have the longest life expectancies.

Nope. Link:

We conclude that for non-Hispanic whites, both overweight and obesity are associated with increased all-cause mortality, and underweight may be as well. All-cause mortality is generally lowest within the BMI range of 20.0 to 24.9. The results of our analysis are most relevant to whites living in affluent countries; similar analyses are under way in other populations.

The article, which is a meta-analysis of studies including 1.46 Million white adults, notes that, while some studies in the meta-analysis suggested that overweight carries little risk and some showed a possible benefit, they were confounded with smoking and preexisting illness. When pooled with other studies and examining the resultant large amounts of participant data, BMI above 25 - overweight - and obese showed increased rates of all-cause mortality.


"Correlation does not imply causation," comes to mind, but I think others have hit on that. More importantly, you have to look at the studies themselves and who financed them. I would put little faith in a study paid for by an organization that had a vested interest in making people believe that they are fat. As for looking at each of the studies for their scientific quality, although it could involve a great deal of tedious research that no one really has the time for (unless they are being paid to look into the level of obesity), there is an easy way to tell if the statistics are junk; look at the publisher.

Something from the journals Science or Nature or from a major health institute such as the Mayo Clinic is worth far more than something from the evening news program, as I believe your sources are. As for nationalize organizations like the AMA, which is where most of this false data seems to propagate from, they are influenced by political motives (such as hiding the fact that people are needlessly starving for political reasons) and not only are they generally behind current data and professional standards, but they may also be influenced by commercial interests.

You posted little information about which studies were used (yes, I looked at the link)
Read your data as a scientist.

9/10 for troll
10/10 for Obesophobia or Pocrescophobia (they can be related, consult your therapist)
 
2012-12-23 06:22:59 AM  

kxs401: Studies on the effect of a BMI between 25 and 30 on health are not clear at all


Maybe that's because BMI is a terribly inaccurate indicator of overall health?
 
2012-12-23 06:25:02 AM  
Not to mention the BMI as a standard is terrible. It only takes in to account Height and Weight.
If you really want to know if you're healthy, go to a dietician and get a referral to get your body mass properly indexed. They can tell you percentages of body fat, bone mass, muscle mass, etc.

/wife is a nutritionist w/ her BS in Human Nutrition and Dietetics
//who is also hot.
 
2012-12-23 06:30:41 AM  

Vertdang: Not to mention the BMI as a standard is terrible. It only takes in to account Height and Weight.
If you really want to know if you're healthy, go to a dietician and get a referral to get your body mass properly indexed. They can tell you percentages of body fat, bone mass, muscle mass, etc.

/wife is a nutritionist w/ her BS in Human Nutrition and Dietetics
//who is also hot.


I had my fat/muscle mass index done by the gym, involved measurements, calipers and a few scales. They said I needed to lose about 30 pounds, which would be about right.
 
2012-12-23 06:32:53 AM  
I prefer a thin, fit woman. "Curvy" is the new "Reubenesque". Your fat rolls and cellulite aren't sexy.
 
2012-12-23 06:37:45 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: telaran: kxs401: telaran: A woman who is 5'7" and weighs 171 lbs probably should lose about 10-20 lbs as, unless she's muscular, she's likely medically overweight and is putting herself at higher risk of diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease.

Sorry, but the slightly overweight (like she is, BMI just over 25) have the longest life expectancies.

Nope. Link:

We conclude that for non-Hispanic whites, both overweight and obesity are associated with increased all-cause mortality, and underweight may be as well. All-cause mortality is generally lowest within the BMI range of 20.0 to 24.9. The results of our analysis are most relevant to whites living in affluent countries; similar analyses are under way in other populations.

The article, which is a meta-analysis of studies including 1.46 Million white adults, notes that, while some studies in the meta-analysis suggested that overweight carries little risk and some showed a possible benefit, they were confounded with smoking and preexisting illness. When pooled with other studies and examining the resultant large amounts of participant data, BMI above 25 - overweight - and obese showed increased rates of all-cause mortality.

"Correlation does not imply causation," comes to mind, but I think others have hit on that. More importantly, you have to look at the studies themselves and who financed them. I would put little faith in a study paid for by an organization that had a vested interest in making people believe that they are fat. As for looking at each of the studies for their scientific quality, although it could involve a great deal of tedious research that no one really has the time for (unless they are being paid to look into the level of obesity), there is an easy way to tell if the statistics are junk; look at the publisher.

Something from the journals Science or Nature or from a major health institute such as the Mayo Clinic is worth far more than something from the evening news program, as I believ ...


The study he cited was from the New England Journal of Medicine. You know, the most prestigious medical journal in the USA. Does not means it is correct of course. The dumbass vaccine/autism link paper was in Lancet (UK's most prestigious).
 
2012-12-23 06:40:12 AM  

octopied: I'm a little curious as how one determines a woman has bigger feet than oneself.


It's the hands, more than the feet that skeeve me out, really. The sizes just tend to correlate.

Not that it matters at this point... I'm married to a brilliant, gorgeous, petite woman, whose taste in, *ahem*, "playmates" tends to be similar to mine.
 
2012-12-23 06:41:28 AM  

bboy: I prefer a thin, fit woman. "Curvy" is the new "Reubenesque". Your fat rolls and cellulite aren't sexy.


So you know, there's nothing wrong with a person finding women more attractive the closer they come to approximating the physique of a ten year old boy, so you don't have to feel bad about that.
 
2012-12-23 06:42:12 AM  

Vertdang: Not to mention the BMI as a standard is terrible. It only takes in to account Height and Weight.
If you really want to know if you're healthy, go to a dietician and get a referral to get your body mass properly indexed. They can tell you percentages of body fat, bone mass, muscle mass, etc.


BMI isn't bad, it is just information. But, like all information, you need to know where it comes from and how to properly apply it.
As you noted, it's not really a good metric to measure yourself by, at least not in any precise way. However, it does work well as a coarse analysis of the average person. Which is to say, it is actually quite well suited to analyzing the overall health of a large number of randomly selected people. If you look at the health of hundreds or thousands of people with a BMI in a particular range, you're likely to get a fairly strong correlation with their overall health unless you're specifically selecting people from particular populations like runners, weight lifters, runway models, etc. So it is a good metric for studies that make broad conclusions about weight vs. health, but it isn't appropriate to take a specific person and make specific health recommendations based on BMI.
 
2012-12-23 06:45:27 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: ...Aaaaaand gay as Paris in Springtime.  Seriously.  There are so damn many early-20th-century lesbian dog whistles in her quotes it makes my head spin.

Women should never be afraid, fresh air and tramping through the woods, "ardent" suffragette, no mention of marriage at all, wants to take over the farm...  If she were alive today, she'd be taking her degree in gay rights activism.


From the quotes in the Daily Mail I'd tentatively agree with you. But the original newspaper also says: "To her mind, the making of a home is the worthiest work a woman can do, and her mother is admittedly her ideal woman." (see the original paper here) That sounds happy-hetero-homemaker to me.

However, the newspaper also says the Venus de Milo was 5 foot 4. That didn't sound right (statues like that are usually larger than life), and a quick check on wiki tells me the statue is actually 6 foot 8.

I don't know why I expected a 1912 newspaper to be any more accurate than a modern one, but I'm disappointed nevertheless.
 
2012-12-23 06:46:51 AM  

Vertdang: Not to mention the BMI as a standard is terrible. It only takes in to account Height and Weight.
If you really want to know if you're healthy, go to a dietician and get a referral to get your body mass properly indexed. They can tell you percentages of body fat, bone mass, muscle mass, etc.

/wife is a nutritionist w/ her BS in Human Nutrition and Dietetics
//who is also hot.


And how do you cost-effectively measure changes in entire populations as a whole, over time?

BMI does that, really well.
 
2012-12-23 06:53:39 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: Tellingthem: Jesus i'm 6'3" and I weight about that...And I'm not exactly a bean pole either...

According to the AMA you are average and healthy. Personally, my best weight has been 185 lbs. as an adult (I had abs for a brief time). I am 5'6" and at that time I could clean and press 250 lbs. and did so regularly each day as part of my job (yes, I should have asked for a team lift, but I could move the boxes myself with minor effort). It scared the hell out of the customers. That puts me at obese for that weight and I was only that light since that job paid me so little that I could barely afford food after rent, heat, and driving to work in an owned econo car!

Then again, their chart puts puts a famous body builder that won the Mister Universe contest once as an amateur and three times in a row as a professional as obese! His personal records for lifting clean & press - 264 lb (120 kg), snatch - 243 lb (110 kg), clean & jerk - 298 lb (135 kg), Squat - 215 kg (470 lb), Bench press - 200 kg (440 lb), deadlift - 310 kg (680 lb). Certainly not some flabby guy. Granted, his height is argued over as between 5'10" and 6'2" for some reason, but his average weight has been 250 lbs.

[collider.com image 552x800]

Would you tell him that he is obese?

Their data is out of date or skewed by countries with other health problems (famine, pollution, poor regional diet, ect.) or ethnicity (some areas have bred humans that or taller or weigh more. Look at Norway.)

My wife has bigger tits and weighs a bit more than this woman. She is as strong and hot as hell. It is no fun not having her able to roll me around in bed.

\did you say citation needed? LEARN TO GOOGLE YOU LAZY GIRLY-MAN
\\I showed you who I was referring too for the celebrity
\\\the AMA chart is in google
\the slashies compel you!


I had a conversation with someone at work about this a while back when Green Mile guy died (I'm a nurse specializing in critical care.) I think that when you really look at what they are saying (obese/overweight stigma aside), the healthiest people are the beanpoles. Green Mile guy and Ahnald are incredibly well muscled, but their itty-bitty heart has to pump blood to all of that muscle. Unlike a fat person, their kidneys have a lot more work to do to process the waste involved with expending energy to fire muscle. Their pancreas has to produce a lot of insulin daily, etc. etc. So, when you actually look at what a healthy body weight is, lighter is better, no matter what your body fat percentage.

Those are just my own anecdotal thoughts. And, I agree, obese is a bad term for Arnie....
 
2012-12-23 06:56:52 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: "Correlation does not imply causation," comes to mind, but I think others have hit on that.


This is so overused.
People seem to take it as an unassailable truth that whenever two things are correlated by a study that you can just recite that little mantra and instantly invalidate whatever the study concluded. The truth is that a great many studies correlate two variables precisely because correlation can and often does point towards causation, and in fact is a very good way to find it. Confounding variables have to be accounted for, of course, you can't just pick any two things and link them by correlation. But correlations in a well-controlled study are perfectly legitimate ways to indicate a connection between two measureables; even if they aren't directly linked it will very often help find what is directly linked.


Lionel Mandrake: Gulper Eel: [www.theodore-roosevelt.com image 604x832]

Alice Roosevelt.
Smokin' hot but one false move and her daddy would gut you like the mountain lion he singlehandedly killed in 1883 or something.

I shall invite her to partake in the very latest miracles of modern holistic medicines: plenty of fruit juice, colonics, calisthenics, cornflakes and my penis.


Approves
s3.vidimg02.popscreen.com
 
2012-12-23 07:02:18 AM  

kxs401: I love when people try to disguise their hatred of overweight people with "concern" for their health.


Uh oh, the secret conspiracy of physicians has been uncovered! And all this time, I thought their recommendations for people arose because they actually cared and didn't want to see people risk developing chronic, long term illnesses that reduce quality of life or early death. But no, it's all just a front to disguise their hatred of the overweight so that random people on the internet don't have to look at them and can point and laugh. Or something. What monsters.
 
2012-12-23 07:04:52 AM  
A not so great <a href="http://www.mybodygallery.com/search.html?height=5+7&weight=170&p ant=12 &shirt=any&zphoto=Large&triangle=1&new=1">http://www.mybodygallery.co m/search.html?height=5+7&weight=170&pant=12 &shirt=any&zphoto=Large&triangle=1&new=1 ">gallery of women who fit that description</a>.  I checked pear due to the article, but if you check everything there's some really nice looking gals in there.  Overall I would say nice take home to mom girls, nothing to be ashamed of, but not on the super-hot by todays standards side of the line.
 
2012-12-23 07:13:00 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Vertdang: Not to mention the BMI as a standard is terrible. It only takes in to account Height and Weight.
If you really want to know if you're healthy, go to a dietician and get a referral to get your body mass properly indexed. They can tell you percentages of body fat, bone mass, muscle mass, etc.

/wife is a nutritionist w/ her BS in Human Nutrition and Dietetics
//who is also hot.

And how do you cost-effectively measure changes in entire populations as a whole, over time?

BMI does that, really well.


I'd suggest putting in for anonymous acquisition of MRI and DXA outputs to compare the high accuracy BMI with the ballpark BMI of the chart.

/I look fat but I don't jiggle
//Which was my goal at the gym
 
2012-12-23 07:13:40 AM  
I can see how this might be a problem. You're only supposed to have one willie. If I suddenly found myself with multiple willies, I'm not sure what I'd do with the extras. However I'd probably figure it out and have a helluva time.

There is a condition called Diphallia where there is penile duplication. From the article on this condition:

Men who have penile duplication may suffer from duplication of other body parts as well. A person having penile duplication may have two anuses, two bladders or two livers. Spina bifida is very common among men with diphallia as well.

Infants born with penile duplication may have a high mortality rate (death rate) because their complex renal (kidney) or colorectal systems are more prone to infections and other disease. Problems due to duplication of bladders and livers also increase the mortality rate of diphallia patients.
 
2012-12-23 07:19:07 AM  
I love how what should have been a nice civil discussion about how great a girl with a big ass is can turn into an argument about body mass index for some people.

Also- those people sound fat.
 
2012-12-23 07:24:02 AM  

Whole Wheat: gozar_the_destroyer: Tellingthem: Jesus i'm 6'3" and I weight about that...And I'm not exactly a bean pole either...

According to the AMA you are average and healthy. Personally, my best weight has been 185 lbs. as an adult (I had abs for a brief time). I am 5'6" and at that time I could clean and press 250 lbs. and did so regularly each day as part of my job (yes, I should have asked for a team lift, but I could move the boxes myself with minor effort). It scared the hell out of the customers. That puts me at obese for that weight and I was only that light since that job paid me so little that I could barely afford food after rent, heat, and driving to work in an owned econo car!

Then again, their chart puts puts a famous body builder that won the Mister Universe contest once as an amateur and three times in a row as a professional as obese! His personal records for lifting clean & press - 264 lb (120 kg), snatch - 243 lb (110 kg), clean & jerk - 298 lb (135 kg), Squat - 215 kg (470 lb), Bench press - 200 kg (440 lb), deadlift - 310 kg (680 lb). Certainly not some flabby guy. Granted, his height is argued over as between 5'10" and 6'2" for some reason, but his average weight has been 250 lbs.

[collider.com image 552x800]

Would you tell him that he is obese?

Their data is out of date or skewed by countries with other health problems (famine, pollution, poor regional diet, ect.) or ethnicity (some areas have bred humans that or taller or weigh more. Look at Norway.)

My wife has bigger tits and weighs a bit more than this woman. She is as strong and hot as hell. It is no fun not having her able to roll me around in bed.

\did you say citation needed? LEARN TO GOOGLE YOU LAZY GIRLY-MAN
\\I showed you who I was referring too for the celebrity
\\\the AMA chart is in google
\the slashies compel you!

I had a conversation with someone at work about this a while back when Green Mile guy died (I'm a nurse specializing in critical care.) I think that when you really look at what they are saying (obese/overweight stigma aside), the healthiest people are the beanpoles. Green Mile guy and Ahnald are incredibly well muscled, but their itty-bitty heart has to pump blood to all of that muscle. Unlike a fat person, their kidneys have a lot more work to do to process the waste involved with expending energy to fire muscle. Their pancreas has to produce a lot of insulin daily, etc. etc. So, when you actually look at what a healthy body weight is, lighter is better, no matter what your body fat percentage.

Those are just my own anecdotal thoughts. And, I agree, obese is a bad term for Arnie....


That's not true. Highest mortality rates are for those with a BMI below 18.
 
2012-12-23 07:29:28 AM  

kxs401: That's not true. Highest mortality rates are for those with a BMI below 18.


That is the other end of the bell curve. I think you understood what I was saying....
 
2012-12-23 07:29:33 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Mock26: Real Women Drink Akvavit: BarkingUnicorn: Long ago, I set my standard for a girl's maximum weight:height ratio:  2.0 lbs./inch.  A 5'7" woman should weigh no more than 134 pounds.

Then I got old and fat, and things changed.

You were into anorexics? Dude. That's way too thin. Everyone knows anorexics can't even cook and you'd have to make all of your own sammiches! Glad you wised up.

/chubby, chef type person

Chef type person? Make me a sandwich!

Please.

Fresh mozzarella, tomato slices, drizzle of olive oil with crisped up pancetta, all on a homemade basil parm bread  that I sometimes put a healthy smear of roasted garlic on comin' right up! I do 'em grilled cheese style and they are nommylicious.

Dammit. Now I'm hungry. Then again, I do have bread in the oven  and can smell it, so that's not helping.


I think I'm in love...
/drool
 
2012-12-23 07:32:41 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-23 07:37:53 AM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, this woman would be considered a moo cow by a lot of folks' standards today...

[www.blogcdn.com image 415x526]


She wasn't always like that.
imgc.allpostersimages.com
 
2012-12-23 07:52:42 AM  

Gawdzila: The truth is that a great many studies correlate two variables precisely because correlation can and often does point towards causation, and in fact is a very good way to find it


Thanks. This always bothers me too. I don't know how "correlation is not proof of causation" somehow morphed into "does not imply".
 
2012-12-23 07:56:10 AM  

Z-clipped: Gawdzila: The truth is that a great many studies correlate two variables precisely because correlation can and often does point towards causation, and in fact is a very good way to find it

Thanks. This always bothers me too. I don't know how "correlation is not proof of causation" somehow morphed into "does not imply".


It's the difference between "implies" in logic and "implies" in the colloquial sense. In formal logic, "A implies B" means if A is true then B is true.
 
2012-12-23 07:59:53 AM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, this woman would be considered a moo cow by a lot of folks' standards today...

[www.blogcdn.com image 415x526]


If you watch movies from that era, the men tend to be rail thin and the wimmens not so much.
 
2012-12-23 08:01:00 AM  
Very similar to my wonderful wife. Hips and Double D's? Yes please.
 
2012-12-23 08:04:35 AM  
Remember folks:
These are curves:
media-cache-ec4.pinterest.com

These are chunks:

www.stpetebootcamp.com

Know the difference.
 
2012-12-23 08:09:42 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: cowgirl toffee: Mock26: GungFu: [img.thesun.co.uk image 620x727]
Perfect woman for...wookie work.

Or for slow dancing!

Perfect for slow dancing....

[img835.imageshack.us image 320x224]

She needs
[img132.imageshack.us image 500x643]


img.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-23 08:09:48 AM  

kxs401: It's the difference between "implies" in logic and "implies" in the colloquial sense. In formal logic, "A implies B" means if A is true then B is true.


That's a good point. Thanks.

I only recently started seriously learning computer programming, but doing so has given me a lot of insight into the style of communication I've experienced on Fark over the years (which I think is probably thick with programming nerds). My hypothesis is that learning to think in a formal language can cause people to become overly attached to specificity and logical consistency, sometimes beyond the point of being reasonable. I'm inclined to file this situation under that general idea.
 
2012-12-23 08:14:07 AM  
I'd offer her a ride in my motorcarriage ... after I vulcanized the tires and topped the reservoir with petroleum distillate of course ...
 
2012-12-23 08:14:32 AM  
www.suppressedhistories.net
 
2012-12-23 08:27:49 AM  
I wonder what she weighed at age 30.
 
2012-12-23 08:28:00 AM  

Ficoce: hubiestubert: In fairness, this woman would be considered a moo cow by a lot of folks' standards today...

[www.blogcdn.com image 415x526]

She wasn't always like that.
[imgc.allpostersimages.com image 473x370]


Doesn't surprise me. Just about every actress whose roles depended on her looks did weight training as well as some form of aerobics since the 1930's.
 
2012-12-23 08:29:48 AM  
There are way too many comments in here. What direction did this thread turn? What are we arguing about now?
 
2012-12-23 08:32:37 AM  

Teknowaffle: Remember folks:
These are curves:
[media-cache-ec4.pinterest.com image 192x373]

These are chunks:

[www.stpetebootcamp.com image 574x386]

Know the difference.


Those gals would bankrupt the Mandarin buffet.
 
2012-12-23 08:36:05 AM  

Coco LaFemme: Nowadays, a woman with those measurements would be called a cow and told to lose 30 pounds.  Which is a pretty shiatty indictment on today's society.


And men are supposed to be sensitive. Also completely unrealistic. It's like society doesn't recognize the science behind testosterone and estrogen.
 
2012-12-23 08:37:11 AM  
Most of this thread:

"Your body doesn't entertain/entice me as I feel it should. Change it for me."
 
2012-12-23 08:38:17 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: There are way too many comments in here. What direction did this thread turn? What are we arguing about now?


Whether or not BMI is a crock of shiat and who is fat and who is not. I just made someone a sammich last night though, cuz I'm cool that way.
 
2012-12-23 08:38:32 AM  

ol' gormsby: St. Celery: MajorGroove: I used to get all bent out of shape about today's standards of beauty. Then I grew up, graduated from college, got out in the world, and realized that plenty of men love them some hips and some double D's. Sure, I'm a hambeast compared to runway models. But I work out on a regular basis, eat healthy, and genuinely like my body. And I'm healthy. I got nothing to complain about!

Who asked? Keep on trying to convince yourself you like being fat and that anyone finds it attractive.

7/10
Structure - excellent. Uses inflammatory opening statement, followed by verb-dense "assault" of loaded terms.
Plot - fair. Follow-up not as effective as the opening statement, and peters out to ineffective conclusion. Lacks images.
Conclusion - you got me to bite, so "well done!"

/ loves me some curves
// Mrs. Gormsby has curves


Yes, with articles like this, invariably, some women need to jump in and make it all about them. But in this case, she has to offer two excellent points that I really like: one, she emphasizes health and two, she has a healthy self-esteem.
 
2012-12-23 08:46:29 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Whether or not BMI is a crock of shiat and who is fat and who is not. I just made someone a sammich last night though, cuz I'm cool that way.


I don't think anyone here ever says BMI is correct yet we all argue about it anyway.

What kind of sammich? That changes everything
 
2012-12-23 08:47:15 AM  

Z-clipped: kxs401: It's the difference between "implies" in logic and "implies" in the colloquial sense. In formal logic, "A implies B" means if A is true then B is true.

That's a good point. Thanks.

I only recently started seriously learning computer programming, but doing so has given me a lot of insight into the style of communication I've experienced on Fark over the years (which I think is probably thick with programming nerds). My hypothesis is that learning to think in a formal language can cause people to become overly attached to specificity and logical consistency, sometimes beyond the point of being reasonable. I'm inclined to file this situation under that general idea.


This is very true. When I went to my parents for a birthday party I was asked if I could stop at the supermarket to pick up a carton of milk. And if they had fresh eggs I was to bring 6. They were not amused when I arrived with 6 cartons of milk...
 
2012-12-23 09:05:34 AM  
The porn sure was tame back then.
 
2012-12-23 09:06:01 AM  
I just noticed someone gifted me with TF status, whoever you are, thanks!!
 
2012-12-23 09:12:33 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Whether or not BMI is a crock of shiat and who is fat and who is not. I just made someone a sammich last night though, cuz I'm cool that way.

I don't think anyone here ever says BMI is correct yet we all argue about it anyway.

What kind of sammich? That changes everything


Sammiches always do!  Fresh mozzarella, tomato slices, drizzle of olive oil with crisped up pancetta, all on a homemade basil parm bread  that I sometimes put a healthy smear of roasted garlic on the inside of the bread.  I do 'em grilled cheese style and they are nommylicious.
 
2012-12-23 09:13:32 AM  

kxs401: telaran: A woman who is 5'7" and weighs 171 lbs probably should lose about 10-20 lbs as, unless she's muscular, she's likely medically overweight and is putting herself at higher risk of diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease.

Sorry, but the slightly overweight (like she is, BMI just over 25) have the longest life expectancies.


Plus, she's pear shaped, which is alot healthier shape than apple shape to be.
 
2012-12-23 09:17:18 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Sammiches always do!  Fresh mozzarella, tomato slices, drizzle of olive oil with crisped up pancetta, all on a homemade basil parm bread  that I sometimes put a healthy smear of roasted garlic on the inside of the bread.  I do 'em grilled cheese style and they are nommylicious.


Goddamn woman, ain't you never heard of no peanut butter and jelly!?!?
 
2012-12-23 09:20:24 AM  
Roughly my wife's proportions (although she's about 10 lbs heavier).
 
2012-12-23 09:21:17 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Sammiches always do!  Fresh mozzarella, tomato slices, drizzle of olive oil with crisped up pancetta, all on a homemade basil parm bread  that I sometimes put a healthy smear of roasted garlic on the inside of the bread.  I do 'em grilled cheese style and they are nommylicious.

Goddamn woman, ain't you never heard of no peanut butter and jelly!?!?


I was Chef de Cuisine at a middle-fine dining establishment for nearly a decade. You ain't getting me to make no PB&J. I'm going all out, bub. Sammiches. Serious business. (for me, anyway, cuz I likes 'em)

/yeah, I'm chubby
 
2012-12-23 09:23:53 AM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, this woman would be considered a moo cow by a lot of folks' standards today...

[www.blogcdn.com image 415x526]


Indeed.

I was watching the "Trump Parade of Beauties" earlier this week and remarked the lady emcee resembled a mummified skeleton.

I'd much rather look at Marilyn.
 
2012-12-23 09:25:19 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Tat'dGreaser: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Sammiches always do!  Fresh mozzarella, tomato slices, drizzle of olive oil with crisped up pancetta, all on a homemade basil parm bread  that I sometimes put a healthy smear of roasted garlic on the inside of the bread.  I do 'em grilled cheese style and they are nommylicious.

Goddamn woman, ain't you never heard of no peanut butter and jelly!?!?

I was Chef de Cuisine at a middle-fine dining establishment for nearly a decade. You ain't getting me to make no PB&J. I'm going all out, bub. Sammiches. Serious business. (for me, anyway, cuz I likes 'em)

/yeah, I'm chubby


I like you.

Could you swap a little of the garlic for some sauteed shiatakes?
 
2012-12-23 09:30:00 AM  
Do a Google search on her name and you find that this article was reprinted by various papers around the country over the next year so even back the they were publishing junk news. It would have been nice though if they'd done some followup and found out if she got her MD and went into practice with her mom and brother, got married, had kids and age of death.

Boticelli's Venus was a real person, Simonetta Vespucci, and she died at the age of 24

4.bp.blogspot.com

She was a grey eyed blonde and a model for a number of his paintings but she's closer to today's standards of beauty than the Cornell latke.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-23 09:32:23 AM  

DanZero: Missing: 1912 equivalent of Studman69


Eugen Sandow.

www.ifbb.com
 
2012-12-23 09:33:12 AM  

Another Government Employee: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Tat'dGreaser: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Sammiches always do!  Fresh mozzarella, tomato slices, drizzle of olive oil with crisped up pancetta, all on a homemade basil parm bread  that I sometimes put a healthy smear of roasted garlic on the inside of the bread.  I do 'em grilled cheese style and they are nommylicious.

Goddamn woman, ain't you never heard of no peanut butter and jelly!?!?

I was Chef de Cuisine at a middle-fine dining establishment for nearly a decade. You ain't getting me to make no PB&J. I'm going all out, bub. Sammiches. Serious business. (for me, anyway, cuz I likes 'em)

/yeah, I'm chubby

I like you.

Could you swap a little of the garlic for some sauteed shiatakes?


Absolutely. I also was toying with the  notion of using a drizzle of truffle oil rather than olive oil. It's still *somewhat*  in development, but I think part of that may be my bread. I'm working on it though, with family and neighbors (and myself) as guinea pigs. I'll try using sourdough next time I bake up that bread and see how it goes, rather than the standard, yet modified, white farmer's bread recipe I've been using. I usually start with that for new cooking experiments because of it's relatively neutral flavor. It's good now, really good, but I like to change things up on myself from time to  time anyway.
 
2012-12-23 09:44:29 AM  
look all I know is my plump great aunt lived to her early 90's and didn't go downhill until the last few months of her life. The plumpness filled out her wrinkles so she didn't look that old. No hip breakage.

meanwhile my anorexically skinny grandma broke a hip and had an unpleasant decline that lasted for several years. Also, she'd been looking more and more like Davros since she was like 65.

I would rather be plump, not look like a mummified Kaled mutant, not break a hip, and live 99.5% of my life with a reasonably functioning brain.
 
2012-12-23 09:45:22 AM  
See a girl walking down the street
Just the kind of girl that I'd like to meet
It ain't her hair, her clothes, her feet
Something much more discreet.
Now I ain't loud baby I ain't proud
I just want what I'm not allowed
Moving on up and help myself
Do a world of good for my mental health
36-24-36
Somethings special about her personality
Somethings special about her physiology
 
2012-12-23 09:54:07 AM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, this woman would be considered a moo cow by a lot of folks' standards today...

[www.blogcdn.com image 415x526]


Rightly so.
 
2012-12-23 09:54:15 AM  

Egalitarian: look all I know is my plump great aunt lived to her early 90's and didn't go downhill until the last few months of her life. The plumpness filled out her wrinkles so she didn't look that old. No hip breakage.

meanwhile my anorexically skinny grandma broke a hip and had an unpleasant decline that lasted for several years. Also, she'd been looking more and more like Davros since she was like 65.

I would rather be plump, not look like a mummified Kaled mutant, not break a hip, and live 99.5% of my life with a reasonably functioning brain.


Well thank God you're not a scientist or a doctor or anything like that
 
2012-12-23 09:58:10 AM  

Z-clipped: BarkingUnicorn: Long ago, I set my standard for a girl's maximum weight:height ratio: 2.0 lbs./inch. A 5'7" woman should weigh no more than 134 pounds.

I'm not a big guy... 5'8", 155 lbs, and pretty fit. I've dated all sizes of women from under 5' tall and curvy, to 6'3" runway models, and I must say, I much prefer it if a woman weighs less than I do. Not that big girls are unattractive...I'm no hater. Things just seem to go more smoothly if they don't outweigh me.

But my deal-breaker: Big hands and feet. No matter how attractive, intelligent, funny etc, if her hands and feet are bigger than mine, I just can't do it. It gives me the willies for some reason.


I'm 5'8" as well.

The reason for me is that for women 5'3" and under, there just isn't much room to hide the mass without proportions going wonky.

5'7" is pretty tall for a woman (not very tall, but certainly not short), and that allows for a lot of 'wiggle room' in storage of the mass.
 
2012-12-23 09:58:36 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: BarkingUnicorn: Long ago, I set my standard for a girl's maximum weight:height ratio:  2.0 lbs./inch.  A 5'7" woman should weigh no more than 134 pounds.

Then I got old and fat, and things changed.

You were into anorexics? Dude. That's way too thin. Everyone knows anorexics can't even cook and you'd have to make all of your own sammiches! Glad you wised up.

/chubby, chef type person


5'7", 134lbs is right within the normal range of BMI.
 
2012-12-23 10:02:23 AM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, this woman would be considered a moo cow by a lot of folks' standards today...

[www.blogcdn.com image 415x526]


Marilyn Monroe wasn't fat. Myth debunked. From the same shoot:

lbdarling.files.wordpress.com

It's just a meme fat girls repeat to themselves on Facebook so they can feel better about themselves.
 
2012-12-23 10:08:30 AM  

hubiestubert: MajorGroove: I used to get all bent out of shape about today's standards of beauty. Then I grew up, graduated from college, got out in the world, and realized that plenty of men love them some hips and some double D's. Sure, I'm a hambeast compared to runway models. But I work out on a regular basis, eat healthy, and genuinely like my body. And I'm healthy. I got nothing to complain about!

The one thing that you have to remember:


Of course they might want to "cook with you".

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-12-23 10:09:16 AM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, this woman would be considered a moo cow by a lot of folks' standards today...


Her measurements were almost identical to Pam Anderson in her modeling days.
 
2012-12-23 10:18:10 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: Tellingthem: Jesus i'm 6'3" and I weight about that...And I'm not exactly a bean pole either...

According to the AMA you are average and healthy. Personally, my best weight has been 185 lbs. as an adult (I had abs for a brief time). I am 5'6" and at that time I could clean and press 250 lbs. and did so regularly each day as part of my job (yes, I should have asked for a team lift, but I could move the boxes myself with minor effort). It scared the hell out of the customers. That puts me at obese for that weight and I was only that light since that job paid me so little that I could barely afford food after rent, heat, and driving to work in an owned econo car!

Then again, their chart puts puts a famous body builder that won the Mister Universe contest once as an amateur and three times in a row as a professional as obese! His personal records for lifting clean & press - 264 lb (120 kg), snatch - 243 lb (110 kg), clean & jerk - 298 lb (135 kg), Squat - 215 kg (470 lb), Bench press - 200 kg (440 lb), deadlift - 310 kg (680 lb). Certainly not some flabby guy. Granted, his height is argued over as between 5'10" and 6'2" for some reason, but his average weight has been 250 lbs.

[collider.com image 552x800]

Would you tell him that he is obese?
Their data is out of date or skewed by countries with other health problems (famine, pollution, poor regional diet, ect.) or ethnicity (some areas have bred humans that or taller or weigh more. Look at Norway.)

My wife has bigger tits and weighs a bit more than this woman. She is as strong and hot as hell. It is no fun not having her able to roll me around in bed.

\did you say citation needed? LEARN TO GOOGLE YOU LAZY GIRLY-MAN
\\I showed you who I was referring too for the celebrity
\\\the AMA chart is in google
\the slashies compel you!


Actually, yes I would.

thebollywoodaddict.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-23 10:22:57 AM  
Today's perfect woman might closely resemble a Victoria's Secret model. But 100 years ago, the female physical ideal was very different.


Because the role of women has changed. Back then their role was to raise families. Today, they primarily serve as inspiration for jerking off.
 
2012-12-23 10:24:30 AM  

MajorGroove: I used to get all bent out of shape about today's standards of beauty. Then I grew up, graduated from college, got out in the world, and realized that plenty of men love them some hips and some double D's. Sure, I'm a hambeast compared to runway models. But I work out on a regular basis, eat healthy, and genuinely like my body. And I'm healthy. I got nothing to complain about!


*clicks profile*

Whar dubble dees, whar!!!!

/BIE?
 
2012-12-23 10:34:02 AM  
171 lbs??

A perfect woman al right... for a black man.
 
2012-12-23 10:37:52 AM  

Dear Jerk: Today's perfect woman might closely resemble a Victoria's Secret model. But 100 years ago, the female physical ideal was very different.


Because the role of women has changed. Back then their role was to raise families. Today, they primarily serve as inspiration for jerking off.


+1

Spit up coffee on that one.
 
2012-12-23 10:39:29 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: Tellingthem: Jesus i'm 6'3" and I weight about that...And I'm not exactly a bean pole either...

According to the AMA you are average and healthy. Personally, my best weight has been 185 lbs. as an adult (I had abs for a brief time). I am 5'6" and at that time I could clean and press 250 lbs. and did so regularly each day as part of my job (yes, I should have asked for a team lift, but I could move the boxes myself with minor effort). It scared the hell out of the customers. That puts me at obese for that weight and I was only that light since that job paid me so little that I could barely afford food after rent, heat, and driving to work in an owned econo car!

Then again, their chart puts puts a famous body builder that won the Mister Universe contest once as an amateur and three times in a row as a professional as obese! His personal records for lifting clean & press - 264 lb (120 kg), snatch - 243 lb (110 kg), clean & jerk - 298 lb (135 kg), Squat - 215 kg (470 lb), Bench press - 200 kg (440 lb), deadlift - 310 kg (680 lb). Certainly not some flabby guy. Granted, his height is argued over as between 5'10" and 6'2" for some reason, but his average weight has been 250 lbs.

[collider.com image 552x800]

Would you tell him that he is obese?

Their data is out of date or skewed by countries with other health problems (famine, pollution, poor regional diet, ect.) or ethnicity (some areas have bred humans that or taller or weigh more. Look at Norway.)

My wife has bigger tits and weighs a bit more than this woman. She is as strong and hot as hell. It is no fun not having her able to roll me around in bed.

\did you say citation needed? LEARN TO GOOGLE YOU LAZY GIRLY-MAN
\\I showed you who I was referring too for the celebrity
\\\the AMA chart is in google
\the slashies compel you!


Yes, because BMI is inaccurate for 1% of the population, it is automatically invalid!
 
2012-12-23 10:46:55 AM  

DerAppie: This is very true. When I went to my parents for a birthday party I was asked if I could stop at the supermarket to pick up a carton of milk. And if they had fresh eggs I was to bring 6. They were not amused when I arrived with 6 cartons of milk...


That's hilarious... unless it's true... in which case- and I say this with no ill intent- I'm inclined to fear for the safety of your offspring should you reproduce.

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Sammiches. Serious business.


Word.

I used to do overnights with my pastry chef at a high end farm-to-table restaurant when I was feeling masochistic. We would knock out all of the bread and pastry for the next day's service in about 6 hours. It's amazing... once you learn about the story it tells, you look at every piece of bread you eat a little differently from then on.

kim jong-un: The reason for me is that for women 5'3" and under, there just isn't much room to hide the mass without proportions going wonky.


CSB a propos:

The second time my wife and had sex, I sent her to the hospital. Apparently I hit an ovarian cyst. She was in so much pain, I had to drive her to the ER. They ended up taking her appendix out as a "precaution" (read: a surgeon wanted to make a quick $2000, so he fudged her abdominal scans). So of course I end up staying with her in the ER all night, and waiting with her until she goes in for surgery at about 5am. While she's in recovery, her Mom (whom I hadn't yet met) shows up at the hospital and says, "Um... so who are you, exactly?..."

She referred to me "Sophie's ambulance driver" for the first few months of our relationship.

/CSB
 
2012-12-23 10:55:55 AM  
pants full of macaroni
+10 for Young Ones reference!
 
2012-12-23 10:57:03 AM  
That is just nasty. I would fark damn near anything but not that. The huge, out of proportion hips is what I really dont like. When a chick is bent over I dont want her ass to be any wider than my hips.
 
2012-12-23 10:59:47 AM  
Some folks apparently liked them a bit zaftig.

Link
 
2012-12-23 11:06:22 AM  

Coco LaFemme: Nowadays, a woman with those measurements would be called a cow and told to lose 30 pounds.  Which is a pretty shiatty indictment on today's society.


Please note that I am not trying to be a dick. I have you favorites and my intent and tone is nothing but respectful disagreement. I will agree that in the fashion industry the beanpole look is the norm but I have noticed that more and more men are admitting that they do like a girl with some meat on her bones. Please do not condemn the whole of society just yet.
 
2012-12-23 11:08:04 AM  

titwrench: Coco LaFemme: Nowadays, a woman with those measurements would be called a cow and told to lose 30 pounds.  Which is a pretty shiatty indictment on today's society.

Please note that I am not trying to be a dick. I have you favorites and my intent and tone is nothing but respectful disagreement. I will agree that in the fashion industry the beanpole look is the norm but I have noticed that more and more men are admitting that they do like a girl with some meat on her bones. Please do not condemn the whole of society just yet.


Damn auto correct. * favorited not favorites
 
2012-12-23 11:19:47 AM  
i.imgur.com

/could be a little bigger on top though
 
2012-12-23 11:20:29 AM  
She was the best - from a sample group of only 400.
And research was done by a lady doctor - and this winner goes on about her lady doctor mom - I think this article is pushing women's lib under the guise of eugenics (which was wildly popular in 1912).

On the other hand, 5' 7" was a tall drink of water for those days.
 
2012-12-23 11:32:24 AM  
Psssh... everyone knows the perfect physical specimen of womanhood is one that doesn't flee in terror at the sight of you.
 
2012-12-23 11:37:08 AM  

ItchyMcDoogle: I really am not attracted to really obese women, its just my preference. I am not attracted to a woman with the body like a ten speed bike ether. I want a woman not a skinny twig. This obsession with women looking like stick figures is perplexing to me.

[sportsblogs.star-telegram.com image 250x397]

Just right!

//Hot like Christina!


To bad she put on another 100lbs since that photo was taken.


/NTTIAWWT
//Right chubby chasers?
 
2012-12-23 11:37:19 AM  

Gulper Eel: [www.theodore-roosevelt.com image 604x832]

Alice Roosevelt.
Smokin' hot but one false move and her daddy would gut you like the mountain lion he singlehandedly killed in 1883 or something.


Alice pretty much got to do what she wanted.

"I can either run the country or I can control Alice. I cannot possibly do both." - Theodore Roosevelt
 
2012-12-23 11:44:41 AM  
 
2012-12-23 11:47:28 AM  

Z-clipped: DerAppie: This is very true. When I went to my parents for a birthday party I was asked if I could stop at the supermarket to pick up a carton of milk. And if they had fresh eggs I was to bring 6. They were not amused when I arrived with 6 cartons of milk...

That's hilarious... unless it's true... in which case- and I say this with no ill intent- I'm inclined to fear for the safety of your offspring should you reproduce.


Nah, just a joke.

metal_gear: Psssh... everyone knows the perfect physical specimen of womanhood is one that doesn't flee in terror at the sight of you.


Doesn't run? is that "can't" or "won't" run?
 
2012-12-23 11:56:03 AM  

Coco LaFemme: I also think maybe it has to do with how and where she was raised. If she was raised on a farm and had no mother, she was used to a different kind of life and upbringing than someone else during the same time period.


FTFA - 'My mother, Dr Sophie B Scheel, studied medicine after we were all grown, she took her degree the same year my brother took his,' she revealed.

I guess mom was a lesbian too. Imagine that; a woman starting a career after her children have grown up and left home - scandalous, I say, SCANDALOUS!
 
2012-12-23 12:11:43 PM  
lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-12-23 12:13:55 PM  

Z-clipped: kxs401: It's the difference between "implies" in logic and "implies" in the colloquial sense. In formal logic, "A implies B" means if A is true then B is true.

That's a good point. Thanks.

I only recently started seriously learning computer programming, but doing so has given me a lot of insight into the style of communication I've experienced on Fark over the years (which I think is probably thick with programming nerds). My hypothesis is that learning to think in a formal language can cause people to become overly attached to specificity and logical consistency, sometimes beyond the point of being reasonable. I'm inclined to file this situation under that general idea.


WOT?
 
2012-12-23 12:15:53 PM  
lh3.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-12-23 12:19:15 PM  

Z-clipped: kxs401: It's the difference between "implies" in logic and "implies" in the colloquial sense. In formal logic, "A implies B" means if A is true then B is true.

That's a good point. Thanks.

I only recently started seriously learning computer programming, but doing so has given me a lot of insight into the style of communication I've experienced on Fark over the years (which I think is probably thick with programming nerds). My hypothesis is that learning to think in a formal language can cause people to become overly attached to specificity and logical consistency, sometimes beyond the point of being reasonable. I'm inclined to file this situation under that general idea.


Or you could study programming a bit more, learn to think even more rigorously, and come back with a better hypothesis?
 
2012-12-23 12:22:23 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Vertdang: Not to mention the BMI as a standard is terrible. It only takes in to account Height and Weight.
If you really want to know if you're healthy, go to a dietician and get a referral to get your body mass properly indexed. They can tell you percentages of body fat, bone mass, muscle mass, etc.

/wife is a nutritionist w/ her BS in Human Nutrition and Dietetics
//who is also hot.

And how do you cost-effectively measure changes in entire populations as a whole, over time?

BMI does that, really well.


BMI is a good indicator of the obesity (or lack of same) in the typical non athletic to moderately athletic person.

People that are highly muscular skew the scale, but it still has value..

for men, anther simple indicator is waistline, if you are over 36, chances are you a getting flabby, over 40, and you are fat.
 
2012-12-23 12:30:44 PM  
OMG!!!

WHAT DOES PAGE 861 SAY?

I must know.
Could've saved me some trouble.
Actually, it's my wife that married poorly.
 
2012-12-23 12:32:22 PM  

Z-clipped: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Sammiches. Serious business.

Word.

I used to do overnights with my pastry chef at a high end farm-to-table restaurant when I was feeling masochistic. We would knock out all of the bread and pastry for the next day's service in about 6 hours. It's amazing... once you learn about the story it tells, you look at every piece of bread you eat a little differently from then on.


I used to do overnights with our exec and our head sous all the time, just because we were doing recipe development. We'd lose track of time because we work well as a team  and were having fun. YAY! Playing with food! Then the delivery guys would show up with the day's fresh stuff and as soon as we signed for it and put it away, we'd all go hit the office for a nice nap.

/might make a sammich and take a nap
 
2012-12-23 12:32:38 PM  
That was back when men were men and sheep were scared.
A full figured woman is to my liking.
Tits on a stick just don't get it for me.
/ wouldn't pass it up though.
 
2012-12-23 12:34:56 PM  
What a woman in 1912 might look like...

images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-12-23 12:47:10 PM  

machoprogrammer: Yes, because BMI is inaccurate for 1% of the population, it is automatically invalid!


For every one ripped weight lifter who falls in obese territory, there are 10 softies who get all the exercise of a deep space astronaut and fall into normal when they're actually simultaneously under-muscled and overweight.

I wonder which category farkers are more likely to fall into.
 
2012-12-23 12:53:55 PM  

cryinoutloud: [lh3.googleusercontent.com image 344x512]


What does it say on page 861 ??
 
2012-12-23 01:03:53 PM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, this woman would be considered a moo cow by a lot of folks' standards today...

[www.blogcdn.com image 415x526]


img6.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-23 01:16:05 PM  

LordBollocks: cryinoutloud: [lh3.googleusercontent.com image 344x512]
What does it say on page 861 ??


lh5.googleusercontent.com

lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-12-23 01:16:40 PM  

HighZoolander: Or you could study programming a bit more, learn to think even more rigorously, and come back with a better hypothesis?


The one I have is working fine so far, thanks.
 
2012-12-23 01:25:15 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x668]


Stupidest thing scientists ever did. "Hey, aliens! Here's our exact location, our DNA makeup (helpful for designing bio-weapons), how many we are, and bunches of other strategic info!"

Paranoid? Probably. But nowhere is it written in stone that technologically advanced aliens will necessarily be more culturally and morally advanced than us (which is stupid anyway, since .our conception of "culturally and morally advanced" is necessarily human-centric). For proof, just ask the South Sea Islanders and the various Indian tribes of the Americas, who were discovered by the first European explorers.
 
2012-12-23 01:46:02 PM  

cryinoutloud: LordBollocks: cryinoutloud: [lh3.googleusercontent.com image 344x512]
What does it say on page 861 ??

[lh5.googleusercontent.com image 640x480]

[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 640x480]


Thanks. And wow.
 
2012-12-23 02:00:51 PM  

velvet_fog: hubiestubert: In fairness, this woman would be considered a moo cow by a lot of folks' standards today...

[www.blogcdn.com image 415x526]

Marilyn Monroe wasn't fat. Myth debunked. From the same shoot:

It's just a meme fat girls repeat to themselves on Facebook so they can feel better about themselves.


Put Kate Middleton's head on that body. People would not have flattering things to say about her, whatever numerical size she'd be. Pretending Marilyn wouldn't be criticized as fat today is a meme you're repeating to yourself so you can feel superior to all the Facebook fatties.
 
2012-12-23 02:11:46 PM  
Awesome. She has almost exactly the proportions I do--I'm a touch taller and correspondingly a touch heavier but otherwise pretty much the same. I feel a little better about myself this morning.

/yeah I know I sound fat
 
2012-12-23 02:24:03 PM  

Chameleon: Awesome. She has almost exactly the proportions I do--I'm a touch taller and correspondingly a touch heavier but otherwise pretty much the same. I feel a little better about myself this morning.

/yeah I know I sound fat


you have the most ironic name on fark
 
2012-12-23 02:38:53 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Chameleon: Awesome. She has almost exactly the proportions I do--I'm a touch taller and correspondingly a touch heavier but otherwise pretty much the same. I feel a little better about myself this morning.

/yeah I know I sound fat

you have the most ironic name on fark


Because I am not actually a color-changing lizard? Or because my posts are boring and predictable? I'm a bit confused.
 
2012-12-23 02:42:31 PM  
Hey, pecosdave, I followed your "what real women look like" link at http://mybodygallery.com/ (using the 1912 Cornell coed's stats), and it looks spot-on.

I will say, though, that the results are, um, enlightening in a different way when one switches from "pear shaped" to "hourglass," viz:

Link
 
2012-12-23 02:53:53 PM  
NSFW probably.

I know a woman who has had a figure kind of like that. I haven't seen her since before she spent much of the value of her home on implants and liposuction and moved away. The opinion of myself and most of her friends was that handing that body over to a guy with a knife in an operating room was like giving that painting to a child with a box of crayons, but I guess she was seeing something different in the mirror than we were.
 
2012-12-23 03:46:50 PM  

cryinoutloud: LordBollocks: cryinoutloud: [lh3.googleusercontent.com image 344x512]
What does it say on page 861 ??

[lh5.googleusercontent.com image 640x480]

[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 640x480]


"Many a man has fallen in love with a girl in a light so dim he would not have chosen a suit by it." Maurice Chevalier.
 
2012-12-23 04:16:56 PM  

fusillade762: Tits are too small for my taste. Otherwise pleasing, though.


A pregnancy should take care of that.
 
2012-12-23 04:22:12 PM  

Clockwork Kumquat: NSFW probably.

I know a woman who has had a figure kind of like that. I haven't seen her since before she spent much of the value of her home on implants and liposuction and moved away. The opinion of myself and most of her friends was that handing that body over to a guy with a knife in an operating room was like giving that painting to a child with a box of crayons, but I guess she was seeing something different in the mirror than we were.


Oh, god, Bouguereau. While all of his women are adorable, this is his best: NSF Work or Girlfriends
 
2012-12-23 04:28:06 PM  

someonelse: Put Kate Middleton's head on that body. People would not have flattering things to say about her, whatever numerical size she'd be. Pretending Marilyn wouldn't be criticized as fat today is a meme you're repeating to yourself so you can feel superior to all the Facebook fatties.


Marilyn Monroe was a fertility goddess (see Robert Anton Wilson's Illuminatus trilogy). Kate Middleton is a princess. Two completely different standards of beauty. Monroe's body calls out to my DNA in a way that Middleton's never will.
 
2012-12-23 04:31:28 PM  

gozar_the_destroyer: Tellingthem: Jesus i'm 6'3" and I weight about that...And I'm not exactly a bean pole either...

According to the AMA you are average and healthy. Personally, my best weight has been 185 lbs. as an adult (I had abs for a brief time). I am 5'6" and at that time I could clean and press 250 lbs. and did so regularly each day as part of my job (yes, I should have asked for a team lift, but I could move the boxes myself with minor effort). It scared the hell out of the customers. That puts me at obese for that weight and I was only that light since that job paid me so little that I could barely afford food after rent, heat, and driving to work in an owned econo car!

Then again, their chart puts puts a famous body builder that won the Mister Universe contest once as an amateur and three times in a row as a professional as obese! His personal records for lifting clean & press - 264 lb (120 kg), snatch - 243 lb (110 kg), clean & jerk - 298 lb (135 kg), Squat - 215 kg (470 lb), Bench press - 200 kg (440 lb), deadlift - 310 kg (680 lb). Certainly not some flabby guy. Granted, his height is argued over as between 5'10" and 6'2" for some reason, but his average weight has been 250 lbs.

[collider.com image 552x800]

Would you tell him that he is obese?

Their data is out of date or skewed by countries with other health problems (famine, pollution, poor regional diet, ect.) or ethnicity (some areas have bred humans that or taller or weigh more. Look at Norway.)

My wife has bigger tits and weighs a bit more than this woman. She is as strong and hot as hell. It is no fun not having her able to roll me around in bed.

\did you say citation needed? LEARN TO GOOGLE YOU LAZY GIRLY-MAN
\\I showed you who I was referring too for the celebrity
\\\the AMA chart is in google
\the slashies compel you!


Hold on...you cite Arnold with his bodybuilding titles...not mentioning his 7x Mr. Olympia?
/obviously the BMI is garbage when it comes to muscular mass
 
2012-12-23 04:33:29 PM  

pciszek: Clockwork Kumquat: NSFW probably.

I know a woman who has had a figure kind of like that. I haven't seen her since before she spent much of the value of her home on implants and liposuction and moved away. The opinion of myself and most of her friends was that handing that body over to a guy with a knife in an operating room was like giving that painting to a child with a box of crayons, but I guess she was seeing something different in the mirror than we were.

Oh, god, Bouguereau. While all of his women are adorable, this is his best: NSF Work or Girlfriends


If my work or girlfriend really had an issue of me gazing at this picture in wonder, then it's time for me to find another job and another girlfriend.

/Painting is damn gorgeous! I can stare at it all day.
//And no, I'm not aroused at all.
 
2012-12-23 04:44:36 PM  

ItchyMcDoogle: I really am not attracted to really obese women, its just my preference. I am not attracted to a woman with the body like a ten speed bike ether. I want a woman not a skinny twig. This obsession with women looking like stick figures is perplexing to me.

[sportsblogs.star-telegram.com image 250x397]

Just right!

//Hot like Christina!


Internet high five!
 
2012-12-23 04:55:57 PM  

Medic Zero: Just right!

//Hot like Christina!

Internet high five!


Did she get her implants after Firefly? 'Cause more recent pictures that I've seen look too...implanted.
 
2012-12-23 04:59:51 PM  

MajorGroove: I used to get all bent out of shape about today's standards of beauty. Then I grew up, graduated from college, got out in the world, and realized that plenty of men love them some hips and some double D's. Sure, I'm a hambeast compared to runway models. But I work out on a regular basis, eat healthy, and genuinely like my body. And I'm healthy. I got nothing to complain about!


Hi there.
 
2012-12-23 05:05:57 PM  

pciszek: Medic Zero: Just right!

//Hot like Christina!

Internet high five!

Did she get her implants after Firefly? 'Cause more recent pictures that I've seen look too...implanted.


There have been numerous threads on this here. She got older, gained a little weight. It happens. She still looks fine, and no those aren't implants. End of story.
 
2012-12-23 05:06:00 PM  
but people like to do drugs now a days
like meth

so they want a nice meth lookin body..
 
2012-12-23 05:59:21 PM  

dletter: basemetal: Them's birthin hips!

/and plow pullin legs.

Came to say that... birthing hips was the most important thing for a woman until about 40 years ago.


Except the whole birthing hips notion is a myth. Or at least that wide hips equals easier labor. My wife has friends who have practically no hips that pushed out 8 pound babies in two pushes. The wide hips do, however, make it easier for pregnant women to walk. But easier childbirth... nope. It's what's inside (or perhaps, not inside) that counts for that.
 
2012-12-23 06:49:27 PM  
So a crude drawing of a woman's breasts that was okay for a Sunday morning paper 100 years ago will now get you fired for being a filthy porn monger, got it. How far our sensibilities have evolved since that backward, repressed, puritan era.
 
2012-12-23 06:56:19 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Quantum Apostrophe: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x668]

Stupidest thing scientists ever did. "Hey, aliens! Here's our exact location, our DNA makeup (helpful for designing bio-weapons), how many we are, and bunches of other strategic info!"

Paranoid? Probably. But nowhere is it written in stone that technologically advanced aliens will necessarily be more culturally and morally advanced than us (which is stupid anyway, since .our conception of "culturally and morally advanced" is necessarily human-centric). For proof, just ask the South Sea Islanders and the various Indian tribes of the Americas, who were discovered by the first European explorers.


Wow, you really take this stuff seriously. There is no way aliens can get here, just as there's no way we can get there. It's that simple. That's Fermi's Paradox in a nutshell. It's not that there's no life elsewhere, it's that given the reality of physics, there's simply nothing that can be made that even remotely approaches Star Trek.

You really think that given the volume of space, and the fact that Voyager has barely even left the Solar System, that anyone or anything will be able to find that thing? And even if I'm wrong, and there's an entire level of materials and energy sources that would allow Star Trek-level fantasies, it is the height of neurotic delusional paranoia to think that we're so special that we'd be a target.

Your world view has been fashioned by sci-fi and colonialist fantasies. As you said, it's human centric to think that these magical aliens with materials and energy sources beyond anything, would take time out to destroy us.

Just another symptom of the mental illness that is Space Nuttery. I really hope you won't spend the holidays alone with your 3D printer and nailing your windows shut in case the aliens come.
 
2012-12-23 07:56:16 PM  
"I've found the perfect woman,
I could not ask for more.
She's deaf and dumb and oversexed,
And she owns a liquor store."
 
2012-12-23 07:59:56 PM  

Chameleon: Salt Lick Steady: Chameleon: Awesome. She has almost exactly the proportions I do--I'm a touch taller and correspondingly a touch heavier but otherwise pretty much the same. I feel a little better about myself this morning.

/yeah I know I sound fat

you have the most ironic name on fark

Because I am not actually a color-changing lizard? Or because my posts are boring and predictable? I'm a bit confused.


To be honest, I have no clue. My clothes are wet and there's a cat in my bed, I have no idea what happened these last 24 hours. I am in Texas though.
 
2012-12-23 08:04:33 PM  

Whole Wheat: I had a conversation with someone at work about this a while back when Green Mile guy died (I'm a nurse specializing in critical care.) I think that when you really look at what they are saying (obese/overweight stigma aside), the healthiest people are the beanpoles. Green Mile guy and Ahnald are incredibly well muscled, but their itty-bitty heart has to pump blood to all of that muscle. Unlike a fat person, their kidneys have a lot more work to do to process the waste involved with expending energy to fire muscle. Their pancreas has to produce a lot of insulin daily, etc. etc. So, when you actually look at what a healthy body weight is, lighter is better, no matter what your body fat percentage.

Those are just my own anecdotal thoughts. And, I agree, obese is a bad term for Arnie....



You know that the heart is also a muscle that can also become bigger with need. With exercise, the heart muscles also grow to pump more blood. That is also why people who are fitter have lower resting heart rates.

As for the wastes part, long distance runners and ultra marathoners who use up thousands of extra calories every day aren't all suffering from organ failures left and right. The wastes theory sounds like made up bullshiat. Linus Pauling, two time nobel prize winner launched the entire supplement industry with his made up bullshiat theory, "eating small quantities of vitamins and minerals prevents certain diseases, so eating lots and lots of vitamins and minerals should make you lots more healthier and won't get diseases like the common cold". Of course, he was wrong and eating too much of certain vitamins and minerals can cause liver damage.

The problem with Arnie and Green Mile guy is steroids.
 
2012-12-23 08:42:54 PM  

telaran: A woman who is 5'7" and weighs 171 lbs probably should lose about 10-20 lbs as, unless she's muscular, she's likely medically overweight and is putting herself at higher risk of diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease.


Depends on what they eat.  I weigh 165lb, 5'8".  Just lost 95lbs and was borderline everything.. diabetic, hyper tention, etc. Now all my numbers are way into the normal range.
 
2012-12-23 09:03:32 PM  

ng2810: pciszek: Clockwork Kumquat: NSFW probably.

I know a woman who has had a figure kind of like that. I haven't seen her since before she spent much of the value of her home on implants and liposuction and moved away. The opinion of myself and most of her friends was that handing that body over to a guy with a knife in an operating room was like giving that painting to a child with a box of crayons, but I guess she was seeing something different in the mirror than we were.

Oh, god, Bouguereau. While all of his women are adorable, this is his best: NSF Work or Girlfriends

If my work or girlfriend really had an issue of me gazing at this picture in wonder, then it's time for me to find another job and another girlfriend.

/Painting is damn gorgeous! I can stare at it all day.
//And no, I'm not aroused at all.


Heh, every time I go home we visit the museum that painting's in. It's my dad's favorite.
I prefer the Sargent that's in the same room: clarkart.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-23 09:04:07 PM  

GungFu: Perfect woman for...wookie work.


Is he absurdly short, or is she absurdly tall?

/I think the latter, but I'm not 100% sure...
 
2012-12-23 09:35:08 PM  

Ready-set: The perfect woman: smart

Of course, super fat or any self-inflicted issues are a turn off. But then those issues would show that she is not smart.

/6'1" 176 lbs


Issues with this post, I have some...
 
2012-12-23 10:21:41 PM  

Z-clipped: My hypothesis is that learning to think in a formal language can cause people to become overly attached to specificity and logical consistency, sometimes beyond the point of being reasonable.


This can certainly be true, although the thing is that specificity and logical consistency are incredibly important in a great many contexts, especially scientific arguments. The problem is when people who aren't used to such modes of thinking get ahold of a phrase like "correlation does not imply causation" and then equivocate the word "imply", it transforms it into a completely different (and wrong) statement.

Being very flexible and unspecific can simultaneously help communication, by not getting caught up in nitpicking, and hinder it, by creating misunderstandings. A mathematical expression, for instance, means precisely what it says and anyone familiar enough with the language will read it in exactly the same way, no interpretation necessary. There are never misunderstandings. While avoiding misunderstanding is a good thing, it is also not reasonable to demand that everyone use precisely the same definition for every word in normal conversation; it would never happen and therefore make communication impossible.
 
2012-12-23 10:22:13 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Quantum Apostrophe: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x668]

Stupidest thing scientists ever did. "Hey, aliens! Here's our exact location, our DNA makeup (helpful for designing bio-weapons), how many we are, and bunches of other strategic info!"

Paranoid? Probably. But nowhere is it written in stone that technologically advanced aliens will necessarily be more culturally and morally advanced than us (which is stupid anyway, since .our conception of "culturally and morally advanced" is necessarily human-centric). For proof, just ask the South Sea Islanders and the various Indian tribes of the Americas, who were discovered by the first European explorers.

Wow, you really take this stuff seriously. There is no way aliens can get here, just as there's no way we can get there. It's that simple. That's Fermi's Paradox in a nutshell. It's not that there's no life elsewhere, it's that given the reality of physics, there's simply nothing that can be made that even remotely approaches Star Trek.

You really think that given the volume of space, and the fact that Voyager has barely even left the Solar System, that anyone or anything will be able to find that thing? And even if I'm wrong, and there's an entire level of materials and energy sources that would allow Star Trek-level fantasies, it is the height of neurotic delusional paranoia to think that we're so special that we'd be a target.

Your world view has been fashioned by sci-fi and colonialist fantasies. As you said, it's human centric to think that these magical aliens with materials and energy sources beyond anything, would take time out to destroy us.

Just another symptom of the mental illness that is Space Nuttery. I really hope you won't spend the holidays alone with your 3D printer and nailing your windows shut in case the aliens come.


LOL! I do love mind readers who always have everyone else all figured out.

A couple of points.

First of all, of course, is your reliance on ad hominem as, apparently, your primary and only argument. "Space Nutters"? Really? That all you got, Bunky?

You also seem to love flat, unsupported assertions. "There is no way aliens can get here, just as there's no way we can get there. It's that simple." Wow. You must be a Wizard.

The speed of light is, of course, an ultimate barrier. There are, however, at least a couple of theoretical "approximations" (cheats) for FTL travel.

One is the Alcubierre Drive, where a ship rides a crest of spacetime (which has no limiting speed). Physicists now have the energy requirements down considerably from the original improbable amount. Currently undergoing proof of concept testing on a very very small scale. If they can do it on that tiny scale, the rest is, as they say, just engineering.

The 2nd method was developed by a friend of mine (physicist & mathematician) working for the Navy. It's been "blessed" as theoretically possible by several well known physicists but is, so far, just theory. Has to do with spacial "similarities," wave guide theory, and quantum theory and essentially requires really fast computers (a couple orders of magnitude faster than currently possible) to predict something he calls "spacial resonance". Essentially the ship "transitions" from one point in space to another very close point in space that has almost identical (to many decimal points) "wave/energy" characteristics (gravitational/electromagnetic/etc.). The points may be only a fraction of an inch apart - but if the ship "cycles" quickly enough, the perceived "speed" would be faster than light. The ship's real speed, of course, is considerably less than c. The main problem here, he says, is that you need "clear" space for it to work. Too near a gravitational field, or too much interstellar dust, and "bad things" happen.

The jury is still out on the whole "wormhole" thing. Since we haven't even found one, yet, it may be out for some time. (I include in this both the ship-type wormhole and the Stargate-type wormhole.) String theory, however, predicts 10 physical dimensions, and that may be a fruitful area of investigation: those 7 "rolled up" dimensions may actually connect differently than the 3 dimensional space we are aware of.

Fermi's paradox: If there are aliens out there, where are they?

Maybe they are hiding.

A "hard" SF treatment from two scientists

As an Amazon review puts it:

A realistic answer to Fermi's paradox: "Why are They Not Here?". A space-faring civilization will have ships travelling at a good fraction of the speed of light. Such ships pose a grave danger to any inhabited planet. Because of the high kinetic energies involved, such a ship would wipe out life on a planet, were it to collide with it. In other words, a star-travelling ship is indistinguishable from a planet-busting relativistic bomb. What would a rational civilization do, given this scenario? It would lay low, and pre-emptively strike against any new neighbor. The situation is not the same as the state of mutually assured destruction existent on our planet. The first relativistic strike is not traceable to the origin, and is likely to be decisive. The answer to Fermi's paradox? They are all hiding.

Briefly, the solar system is bombarded with a swarm of relativistic boulder-sized missiles. Virtually all life is expunged. "...the pitiless logic behind human-kind's execution: the moment we learned to travel at relativistic speeds was the moment we had the power to do to them what they did to us first. The attack was nothing personal. Humanity was simply too dangerous a neighbor to have around."
 
2012-12-23 10:23:01 PM  
I kinda prefer women that are smaller than me. The big-ass 1912 woman, Mae West, to a lesser degree MM are a little on the porky size.
I, of course, have the body of a Greek God.
What I don't get is this beast "Coco" from "Ice loves Coco".
 
2012-12-23 10:41:31 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Mock26: Real Women Drink Akvavit: BarkingUnicorn: Long ago, I set my standard for a girl's maximum weight:height ratio:  2.0 lbs./inch.  A 5'7" woman should weigh no more than 134 pounds.

Then I got old and fat, and things changed.

You were into anorexics? Dude. That's way too thin. Everyone knows anorexics can't even cook and you'd have to make all of your own sammiches! Glad you wised up.

/chubby, chef type person

Chef type person? Make me a sandwich!

Please.

Fresh mozzarella, tomato slices, drizzle of olive oil with crisped up pancetta, all on a homemade basil parm bread  that I sometimes put a healthy smear of roasted garlic on comin' right up! I do 'em grilled cheese style and they are nommylicious.

Dammit. Now I'm hungry. Then again, I do have bread in the oven  and can smell it, so that's not helping.


Damn. That sounds good.
 
2012-12-23 11:02:01 PM  

pciszek: Medic Zero: Just right!

//Hot like Christina!

Internet high five!

Did she get her implants after Firefly? 'Cause more recent pictures that I've seen look too...implanted.


They aren't implants, she just gained a lot of weight and her boobs got correspondingly cartoonishly proportioned.
Firefly-weight Christina:
www.manekynka.skimg547.imageshack.us

After a few seasons of Mad Men:
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Personally I like her at Firefly weight better.


bookman: Currently undergoing proof of concept testing on a very very small scale. If they can do it on that tiny scale, the rest is, as they say, just engineering.


That is a VERY generous assessment of the Alcubierre concept and the applicability of their testing to real life.
To do it with an actual ship still presents many possibly insurmountable problems, including requiring a theoretical type of matter that has never actually been seen before.
 
2012-12-23 11:39:22 PM  
I'd fark all of them
 
2012-12-24 01:52:12 AM  

palestephie: Ready-set: The perfect woman: smart

Of course, super fat or any self-inflicted issues are a turn off. But then those issues would show that she is not smart.

/6'1" 176 lbs

Issues with this post, I have some...


For good reason. As you might guess: I'm self-destructive. Just not with food.

My main point was that smart girls are the best... up to some extreme point. They are more present during sex, and that's hot.

/sorry for the offense. And what's 8*12?
 
2012-12-24 02:27:15 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Coco LaFemme: Like I said, it's very possible she was a lesbian and was telling everyone in coded language that other lesbians would pick up on, or she was just a country girl who didn't have city girl ambitions. I don't know.

r perhaps she was like I was before I came out - I sent off incredible gay signals without knowing it at all - I was unconventionl, I knew that, and I knew I liked girls, but I wasn;t consiously trying to raise a flag or anything.  And yet I did.

We will, of course, never know.  And it's really none of my business anyway, except that if I'd been at Cornell in 1912, I'd have been trying every means at my disposal to confirm so I could date her.


Whatever happened to Elsie Scheel

Elsie Rachel Scheel (b. 1888) was born to Sophie Bade Scheel and John H. Scheel of Brooklyn, their fourth child of five. Her mother Sophie was a physician, daughter of German immigrants, practicing and teaching at the New York Medical College and Hospital for Women. Her father John, a hydropath, is credited with coining the term "naturopathy." So she came from a family deeply involved in health and wellness, and more than passing supportive of women's education and suffrage. Sophie died in 1933; Elsie's younger sister Senie Scheel died in Florida in 1985, age 93.

Not too long after leaving Cornell, Elsie married Frederick Rudolf Hirsh, and had at least two children, Elise and John (1921-2004). Her son John became a surgeon in Florida.


According to a comment on the article her husband was 20 years older than her, and they remained married until he passed away.

There's also a link to an article disputing THIS article, calling her fat (too tall and 20 pounds overweight).
 
2012-12-24 02:45:59 AM  

Ready-set: The perfect woman: smart

Of course, super fat or any self-inflicted issues are a turn off. But then those issues would show that she is not smart.

/6'1" 176 lbs


Some babies were dropped on their heads. You, however, were clearly thrown at the wall.
 
2012-12-24 04:14:14 AM  

zipdog: dletter: basemetal: Them's birthin hips!

/and plow pullin legs.

Came to say that... birthing hips was the most important thing for a woman until about 40 years ago.

Except the whole birthing hips notion is a myth. Or at least that wide hips equals easier labor. My wife has friends who have practically no hips that pushed out 8 pound babies in two pushes. The wide hips do, however, make it easier for pregnant women to walk. But easier childbirth... nope. It's what's inside (or perhaps, not inside) that counts for that.


it's not the width of the hips at the Illium, which is the Ala or "wing" of the pelvis, it's the shape of the pelvic inlet and outlet and how far apart the pubic symphysis can stretch and become loosened prior to childbirth.

So technically, you are correct, "birthing hips" are not an exact indicator of the ease of childbirth. However, women that typically have larger Illium tend to have more rounded inlets and outlets, so biologically it can be an clue.

The width of the Illium can also contribute to "dat ass"
 
2012-12-24 05:29:00 AM  

GrizzledVeteran: Hey, pecosdave, I followed your "what real women look like" link at http://mybodygallery.com/ (using the 1912 Cornell coed's stats), and it looks spot-on.

I will say, though, that the results are, um, enlightening in a different way when one switches from "pear shaped" to "hourglass," viz:

Link


Womens sizes make no sense to me! Then it was taken international!
 
2012-12-24 05:35:05 AM  
bookman:

I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but "theoretically possible" doesn't mean "just a matter of engineering" by a long shot. Just because a solution happens to satisfy a set of equations (like General Relativity) doesn't mean that it won't violate any number of other theories or laws. The number of phenomena predicted by theory that we don't observe is much, much greater than the things we do.

Physicists checking your friend's math and saying, "yeah, that looks ok" doesn't remotely make the idea viable, or even possible. It's great to get excited about Physics and engage your imagination, but you need to keep some perspective. To use technical scientist-language: slow your roll, son.
 
2012-12-24 05:14:04 PM  
Gawdzila: pciszek: Medic Zero: Just right!

//Hot like Christina!

Internet high five!

Did she get her implants after Firefly? 'Cause more recent pictures that I've seen look too...implanted.

They aren't implants, she just gained a lot of weight and her boobs got correspondingly cartoonishly proportioned.
Firefly-weight Christina:
[www.manekynka.sk image 313x480][img547.imageshack.us image 310x480]

After a few seasons of Mad Men:
[xaa.xanga.com image 309x480][i231.photobucket.com image 336x480]

Personally I like her at Firefly weight better.


bookman: Currently undergoing proof of concept testing on a very very small scale. If they can do it on that tiny scale, the rest is, as they say, just engineering.

That is a VERY generous assessment of the Alcubierre concept and the applicability of their testing to real life.
To do it with an actual ship still presents many possibly insurmountable problems, including requiring a theoretical type of matter that has never actually been seen before.


I'd hit either like a broadside from HMS Dreadnaught (since we are going for 1912 cliches)
 
2012-12-24 05:58:21 PM  
I dated a fattish like chick for a while. She's the only woman I ever declined a bj from. jus say'n.
 
2012-12-25 01:07:57 AM  

tonguedepressor: I dated a fattish like chick for a while. She's the only woman I ever declined a bj from. jus say'n.


why, did she have a fat tongue?

/derp
 
2012-12-25 04:22:02 AM  

Vertdang: tonguedepressor: I dated a fattish like chick for a while. She's the only woman I ever declined a bj from. jus say'n.

why, did she have a fat tongue?

/derp


No she gave good bj's, its just that she enjoyed givin' em even more than I enjoyed gettin' em. Seemed to fly in the face of natural order. Plus we were southbound on I-93 heading home from Boston and she asked if I wanted to make the ride more interesting, I guess I thought staying alive was interesting enough for me.

Plus she was 20 to my my 28 maybe had something to do with it.

If it was my wife now back then I woulda let ther gobble down.
 
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