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2012-12-22 06:02:22 PM
These events wouldn't happen if only we let God into our churches.
 
2012-12-22 06:03:10 PM

Forlorne Greene: These events wouldn't happen if only we let God into our churches

children.
 
2012-12-22 06:18:38 PM
"Calls placed to Kokesch's home were not answered."


Well, he's in jail and as a Catholic Bishop he's not married, who did they expect to answer?
 
2012-12-22 06:31:48 PM

microdome: "Calls placed to Kokesch's home were not answered."


Well, he's in jail and as a Catholic Bishop he's not married, who did they expect to answer?


Nun of the above?
 
2012-12-22 06:40:18 PM
Where is snark?
 
2012-12-22 06:53:31 PM
I'm shocked. Shocked, I say.
 
2012-12-22 06:53:51 PM
Mr. Gambini, what is a yute?
 
2012-12-22 06:53:55 PM
Armed guards in every church. It's the only way.
 
2012-12-22 06:54:04 PM
Now that's what I call multitasking.
 
2012-12-22 06:54:49 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

What would a priest want to stick up my butt?
 
2012-12-22 06:55:01 PM
Obvious tag on sabbatical?
 
2012-12-22 06:56:02 PM
lh3.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-12-22 06:56:18 PM
Cliche
 
2012-12-22 06:56:26 PM
Deacon != priest.
 
2012-12-22 06:56:42 PM
I find it more and more difficult to snark about Catholic child molesters. Will they ever clean up their act? Can they?
 
2012-12-22 06:57:05 PM
Is anyone actually shocked or surprised by this?
 
2012-12-22 06:57:38 PM

hammettman: Obvious tag on sabbatical?


First thing I thought of. Catholic priest? Of course he's a sicko. Aren't they all?
 
2012-12-22 06:58:17 PM

Forlorne Greene: These events wouldn't happen if only we let God into our churches.

 
2012-12-22 06:58:42 PM
 images2.wikia.nocookie.net

The Catholic Boaaat...
's gonna be headin' on out today.
The Catholic Boaaat...
Time to throw all of your cares away.
Get some hot Chrisitan action,
It'll make you-
 
2012-12-22 07:00:29 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: microdome: "Calls placed to Kokesch's home were not answered."


Well, he's in jail and as a Catholic Bishop he's not married, who did they expect to answer?

Nun of the above?


This is not getting nearly enough love
 
2012-12-22 07:00:46 PM
So what's the problem? They both involve young people.
 
2012-12-22 07:00:52 PM
Looks like a stand up guy, not creepy at all.
img191.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-22 07:00:52 PM
GIS for "Pedo Bear Priest" turns up the darndest things....

i.qkme.me
 
2012-12-22 07:01:24 PM
Obvious tag would have worked as well.
 
2012-12-22 07:01:59 PM

bighairyguy: Looks like a stand up guy, not creepy at all.
[img191.imageshack.us image 718x1084]


GAHHHHH
 
2012-12-22 07:02:49 PM
Another shout-out for [obvious] tag here.
 
2012-12-22 07:03:52 PM
www.tin-god.com
 
2012-12-22 07:04:28 PM
Can't these horny priests just fark each other and leave the kids alone?
 
2012-12-22 07:04:35 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Armed guards in every church. It's the only way.


With 3d printed guns. It's the only way.
 
2012-12-22 07:07:50 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Deacon != priest.


Nor does it mean scoutmaster.
 
2012-12-22 07:08:14 PM

TheManofPA: MaudlinMutantMollusk: microdome: "Calls placed to Kokesch's home were not answered."


Well, he's in jail and as a Catholic Bishop he's not married, who did they expect to answer?

Nun of the above?

This is not getting nearly enough love


I was recovering from the burn of beer spewing out of my nose when I read it.
 
2012-12-22 07:08:22 PM

bighairyguy: Looks like a stand up guy, not creepy at all.
[img191.imageshack.us image 718x1084]


Why do so many have that overly bright sparkling creepy look in their eyes? Like that Jimmy Savile bloke.
 
2012-12-22 07:10:04 PM

uttertosh: Quantum Apostrophe: Armed guards in every church. It's the only way.

With 3d printed guns. It's the only way.


No no no, built in the magical orbital space factories I was promised in 1970s sci-fi.
 
2012-12-22 07:11:17 PM
"You've got to be kidding, I don't believe that at all,".

THAT is why you fail.

/yoda
 
2012-12-22 07:12:23 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Deacon != priest.


But apparently still part of the clergy.
 
2012-12-22 07:12:57 PM

microdome: TheManofPA: MaudlinMutantMollusk: microdome: "Calls placed to Kokesch's home were not answered."


Well, he's in jail and as a Catholic Bishop he's not married, who did they expect to answer?

Nun of the above?

This is not getting nearly enough love

I was recovering from the burn of beerbourbon spewing out of my nose when I read it.


images.community.wizards.com
 
2012-12-22 07:14:11 PM

gwenners: I find it more and more difficult to snark about Catholic child molesters. Will they ever clean up their act? Can they?


When you have an influential member of the church who says that the priests are actually the victims of seduction I'm going with 'not bloody likely'
 
2012-12-22 07:16:46 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Armed guards in every church. It's the only way.


I thought nuke it from orbit was the only way?
 
2012-12-22 07:20:43 PM

MFAWG: gwenners: I find it more and more difficult to snark about Catholic child molesters. Will they ever clean up their act? Can they?

When you have an influential member of the church who says that the priests are actually the victims of seduction I'm going with 'not bloody likely'


Only another pedo would think the young boys were doing the seducing of helpless priests. Like the incident where some crazy bastard accused of having his way with a dog said the dog had seduced him by walking sexy.
 
2012-12-22 07:20:46 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Deacon != priest.


So that makes this all OK then, eh?
 
2012-12-22 07:27:34 PM
Oh dear. I remember Catholic Youth Day far too well - all those young Catholics walking in traffic on their way up to Downsview Park - they were in danger from the cars. They were up at Yonge/Eglinton trying to convert people. Mission work in the wilds of Toronto, right?

So it turns out they were also in grave danger from their organizer. Wow, what a shock.
 
2012-12-22 07:28:47 PM

OddLlama: Is anyone actually shocked or surprised by this?


According to the article, some fish.
 
2012-12-22 07:29:03 PM
thepracticingcatholic.com
 
2012-12-22 07:30:45 PM

FunkOut: MFAWG: gwenners: I find it more and more difficult to snark about Catholic child molesters. Will they ever clean up their act? Can they?

When you have an influential member of the church who says that the priests are actually the victims of seduction I'm going with 'not bloody likely'

Only another pedo would think the young boys were doing the seducing of helpless priests. Like the incident where some crazy bastard accused of having his way with a dog said the dog had seduced him by walking sexy.


Hey, that was a real thing that an actual guy said. It was completely insane
.
Link
 
2012-12-22 07:32:52 PM
The fact that he's in jail instead of being quietly shuffled off to another post indicates that maybe some in the Catholic Church have at least learned the concept of damage control.
 
2012-12-22 07:35:19 PM

geoduck42: The fact that he's in jail instead of being quietly shuffled off to another post indicates that maybe some in the Catholic Church have at least learned the concept of damage control.


it's worth noting that the information leading to his arrest doesn't appear to have come from church leadership.
 
2012-12-22 07:35:37 PM
We need to do something about these high capacity priests.
 
2012-12-22 07:37:48 PM

geoduck42: The fact that he's in jail instead of being quietly shuffled off to another post indicates that maybe some in the Catholic Church have at least learned the concept of damage control.


Evidence. It's all about the evidence.
 
2012-12-22 07:40:45 PM
onfinite.com
 
2012-12-22 07:50:23 PM
It's not his fault.

The Devil made him do it.
 
2012-12-22 07:50:41 PM
shocker
 
2012-12-22 07:53:04 PM

HempHead: [thepracticingcatholic.com image 512x394]


...What on Earth is that?

/Former Catholic
//And it still makes no sense whatsoever
 
2012-12-22 07:54:31 PM

LewDux:
onfinite.com


Jesus Christ, you scared me.
 
2012-12-22 07:55:49 PM

gwenners: I find it more and more difficult to snark about Catholic child molesters. Will they ever clean up their act? Can they?


Has anyone actually figured out why, exactly, there is such a high incidence of child molesters in the Catholic clergy? You'd think that in order to treat the problem, you probably need to figure out what is causing it.  I've always assumed that in an attempt to repress their urges, people join the clergy, but I am starting to wonder if it has somewhat become in order to engage in the urges.
 
2012-12-22 07:59:35 PM

PsiChick: HempHead: [thepracticingcatholic.com image 512x394]

...What on Earth is that?

/Former Catholic
//And it still makes no sense whatsoever


Same question here. Some sort of protest, perhaps?
 
2012-12-22 08:01:12 PM

serpent_sky: Has anyone actually figured out why, exactly, there is such a high incidence of child molesters in the Catholic clergy?


Very flimsy control of who gets to be a part of the clergy is a big part of it. Note you don't see many of these priests having the letters SJ after their name, that's because the Jesuits are not only very particular about who can be a Jesuit it also takes a long time to become one. So if you're trying to repress urges or find an avenue to engage them, the Jesuits aren't the way to go.
 
2012-12-22 08:01:19 PM

microdome: "Calls placed to Kokesch's home were not answered."


www.coverups.com

Of course not. The feds burned his place down back in '93
 
2012-12-22 08:04:55 PM

serpent_sky: PsiChick: HempHead: [thepracticingcatholic.com image 512x394]

...What on Earth is that?

/Former Catholic
//And it still makes no sense whatsoever

Same question here. Some sort of protest, perhaps?


Rite of Ordination

"The candidates lie prostrate before the altar, while the assembled faithful kneel and pray for the help of all the saints in the singing of the Litany of the Saints."
 
2012-12-22 08:05:12 PM
A while back I relegated the Catholic Church to cult status. This does nothing to alter that, obviously.

Now I wonder what KIND of child pornography images they found. (Hey, if the church can categorize degrees of sin, we can categorize degrees of illegal pornography.)

Unrelated Note: "The Wizard of Oz" is on right now. Dorothy just slapped the Cowardly Lion's nose.
 
2012-12-22 08:06:38 PM

WhyteRaven74: Very flimsy control of who gets to be a part of the clergy is a big part of it. Note you don't see many of these priests having the letters SJ after their name, that's because the Jesuits are not only very particular about who can be a Jesuit it also takes a long time to become one. So if you're trying to repress urges or find an avenue to engage them, the Jesuits aren't the way to go.


Awhile ago I read something about there being a need for people to enter the priesthood.  I know I've seen buses and billboards with ads encouraging people to join the priesthood over the past few years.  I guess if your numbers are dwindling, you can't afford to be as picky as you can when a lot of people want to be members.  That said, it might make more sense to relax restrictions on things like dating and marriage for the clergy as opposed to taking in anyone who shows up. Especially considering the numbers of child sex scandals that have blanketed the church for decades.
 
2012-12-22 08:06:43 PM

puckrock2000: serpent_sky: PsiChick: HempHead: [thepracticingcatholic.com image 512x394]

...What on Earth is that?

/Former Catholic
//And it still makes no sense whatsoever

Same question here. Some sort of protest, perhaps?

Rite of Ordination

"The candidates lie prostrate before the altar, while the assembled faithful kneel and pray for the help of all the saints in the singing of the Litany of the Saints."


Ah. Thanks.
 
2012-12-22 08:10:07 PM

skinink: Can't these horny priests just fark each other and leave the kids alone?


No, the church says that's sinful.
Because of something unspecified about Sodom and a man lieing with another man or something.

(Not that Jesus ever mentioned it tho.)


Luckily the bible doesn't say anything about porking kids.
 
2012-12-22 08:16:21 PM
Also;
i21.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-22 08:24:41 PM

serpent_sky: PsiChick: HempHead: [thepracticingcatholic.com image 512x394]

...What on Earth is that?

/Former Catholic
//And it still makes no sense whatsoever

Same question here. Some sort of protest, perhaps?


Evel Kneivel Mass.
 
2012-12-22 08:24:51 PM

microdome: "Calls placed to Kokesch's home were not answered."


Well, he's in jail and as a Catholic Bishop he's not married, who did they expect to answer?


His teenage boyfriend
 
2012-12-22 08:25:38 PM

FunkOut: MFAWG: gwenners: I find it more and more difficult to snark about Catholic child molesters. Will they ever clean up their act? Can they?

When you have an influential member of the church who says that the priests are actually the victims of seduction I'm going with 'not bloody likely'

Only another pedo would think the young boys were doing the seducing of helpless priests. Like the incident where some crazy bastard accused of having his way with a dog said the dog had seduced him by walking sexy.


To be fair, have you ever seen a dog that DIDN'T walk sexy?
 
2012-12-22 08:27:45 PM

WhyteRaven74: serpent_sky: Has anyone actually figured out why, exactly, there is such a high incidence of child molesters in the Catholic clergy?

Very flimsy control of who gets to be a part of the clergy is a big part of it. Note you don't see many of these priests having the letters SJ after their name, that's because the Jesuits are not only very particular about who can be a Jesuit it also takes a long time to become one. So if you're trying to repress urges or find an avenue to engage them, the Jesuits aren't the way to go.


And don't be straight. You really don't want to be straight in the Jesuits.
 
2012-12-22 08:28:18 PM

gwenners: I find it more and more difficult to snark about Catholic child molesters. Will they ever clean up their act? Can they?


They are a church who

1. Has access to vulnerable people and children. That is most people who actively worship in church are often from very poor countries or going through a bad time in their lives. This does not mean all people

2. They are people who have decided that they will never have sex. That alone tells me that there maybe something sexually wrong with them in that they are possible not attracted to an adult person who is the opposite sex from them. Now if they are attracted to an adult of the same sex all well and dandy but they would still hide that because many religious beliefs still do not allow that. But if they are attracted to children that is very very bad.


So what better place for a pedophile to be then a place that never questions why you don't want to have sexual partner and puts you in a position over very vulnerable people? The Catholic church doesn't make a person a pedophile, no the Catholic churches institutions are setup in such away that even the dumbest of dumb pedophiles can understand the jackpot of vulnerable little kids that are just waiting for them.
 
2012-12-22 08:28:24 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Nun of the above?


You bastard, I wasn't expecting to laugh this loud.
 
2012-12-22 08:29:40 PM
And we're supposed to be SURPRISED by this?


4.bp.blogspot.com
Okay.... maybe HE's surprised.....
...by the sudden penis.


♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ JEEESSSSUUUSSSSS "loves" the little children...
alllll the children of the wooooorrrrrrlllldddddd....♬♪♩♪
Red and yellow, black and white (but they're NOT RACIST for pointing it out)... ♫ ♫♪♪
they're all "PRRREEEECCCCIIIOOOUUUUSSSSS" in his sight.... ♪♪♩
He just asked them to ignore the burning in the morn. ♩ ♬ ♪
memepics.com
 
2012-12-22 08:30:40 PM

LazarusLong42: I'm shocked. Shocked, I say.


Completely unexpected. Maybe it's time people boycott this organization. They've been given a lot more chances than any other would have been.
 
2012-12-22 08:31:31 PM
PLANKING
thepracticingcatholic.com
YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG
 
2012-12-22 08:34:06 PM

LewDux: PLANKING
[thepracticingcatholic.com image 384x296]
YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG


That's praynking.
 
2012-12-22 08:34:54 PM
This sort of thing isn't even news-worthy anymore.
 
2012-12-22 08:38:28 PM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: A while back I relegated the Catholic Church to cult status. This does nothing to alter that, obviously.

Now I wonder what KIND of child pornography images they found. (Hey, if the church can categorize degrees of sin, we can categorize degrees of illegal pornography.)

Unrelated Note: "The Wizard of Oz" is on right now. Dorothy just slapped the Cowardly Lion's nose.


the personal decision to not recognize accepted definitions of words like religion or cult not only does nothing, your sharing that information makes you appear the fool. that's my gift to you for Christmas.

: Do not be afraid, my son. They will not shoot while I am beside you.
: Hah! Don't count on it, Father. It's a good day for me when I get to kill a priest!
: I'll be in the church.


Hard Case Williams / Lust in the Dust
 
2012-12-22 08:38:39 PM
What's the difference between a Catholic Priest and acne?

Acne doesn't come on a boys face until he's 13.
 
2012-12-22 08:48:30 PM
"You've got to be kidding, I don't believe that at all"

How to spot a pedosmile.

www.sunnewsnetwork.ca

www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net
 
2012-12-22 08:53:18 PM

serpent_sky: gwenners: I find it more and more difficult to snark about Catholic child molesters. Will they ever clean up their act? Can they?

Has anyone actually figured out why, exactly, there is such a high incidence of child molesters in the Catholic clergy? You'd think that in order to treat the problem, you probably need to figure out what is causing it.  I've always assumed that in an attempt to repress their urges, people join the clergy, but I am starting to wonder if it has somewhat become in order to engage in the urges.


All forms of priesthood tend to attract people who are in it for the power and status, obtainable without the inherent risks of, say, being part of an armed force which tends to get shot at from time to time. I'm not saying all of them are like that, nor even a majority, but think about it- they get into a position of power ,involving threats of hellfire or at least being shunned by a local soceity, over people who can be fearful or superstitious and thus easy to take advantage of.
And unlike young girls, who in most soceities get taught to yell, and LOUDLY, when an adult male tries anything hinky, if for no other reason then female virginity if not women themselves are highly valued, young boys are not given that sort of warning and are easier targets. Any priest who tried the sort of stuff around young girls in a congregation would find his place surrounded by an angry mob in short order.
 
2012-12-22 08:55:09 PM

HempHead: [thepracticingcatholic.com image 512x394]


Palm Springs White Party?
 
2012-12-22 09:00:39 PM
a "fill in the blanks" joke;

how do you know a Nun is on her period?

the Pri_sts c_ck tast_s fun_y!

/Unitarians!
 
2012-12-22 09:01:05 PM

skinink: Can't these horny priests just fark each other and leave the kids alone?


wrong brand
 
2012-12-22 09:02:46 PM

Forlorne Greene: These events wouldn't happen if only we let God into our churches.


+1
 
2012-12-22 09:03:11 PM
Kokeschucker
 
2012-12-22 09:03:54 PM
Lulz. I saw this when it was submitted. I thought, that is going green. It has a bit of misleading headline together with child pornography and anti-catholic
 
2012-12-22 09:04:17 PM
Come here child, and pull my finger.
No, not that one, the one Jesus want's you to pull.
 
2012-12-22 09:06:29 PM
Since he's a deacon, this guy might very well be married and have kids.

That is one creepy picture. "Dude, get your thyroid checked...."
 
2012-12-22 09:09:33 PM

Marcintosh: skinink: Can't these horny priests just fark each other and leave the kids alone?

wrong brand


Pedos gravitate to the priesthood and teaching.
 
2012-12-22 09:09:52 PM

5tr4t4: "You've got to be kidding, I don't believe that at all"

How to spot a pedosmile.

[www.sunnewsnetwork.ca image 431x242]

[www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net image 150x200]


Easy to spot when they all look like human potatoes.
 
2012-12-22 09:10:44 PM
If a local chapter of North American Man/Boy Love Association opened a store front in any community, they would be ran out by fire and pitchforks. It seems obvious a child is more likely to get raped by a priest yet their organization (the church) operates openly and people STILL SEND THEIR CHILDREN THERE!!!
 
2012-12-22 09:16:18 PM

phrawgh: If a local chapter of North American Man/Boy Love Association opened a store front in any community, they would be ran out by fire and pitchforks. It seems obvious a child is more likely to get raped by a priest yet their organization (the church) operates openly and people STILL SEND THEIR CHILDREN THERE!!!


And a child is ten times more likely to get raped by a family member than going to school where they are 10 times more likely to be raped than by a minister/priest.
 
2012-12-22 09:31:26 PM

phrawgh: If a local chapter of North American Man/Boy Love Association opened a store front in any community, they would be ran out by fire and pitchforks. It seems obvious a child is more likely to get raped by a priest yet their organization (the church) operates openly and people STILL SEND THEIR CHILDREN THERE!!!


Faith is powerful and people who have it seem to feel it is especially important for their children to be exposed to it.  I suppose nobody wants to believe the worst, but I honestly don't think children should be unsupervised with a priest considering how widespread the abuse is.  (And that protects the children as well as the good priests who would never hurt a child.)  Yet I can see how people are uncomfortable with that.  I am by no means a practicing Catholic (or of any faith) but I was raised Catholic and it's very much put into your head that priests are good people dedicated to God, community and service. And I would go so far as to say that probably the vast majority <i>are</i>, but this sort of abuse is nonetheless widespread and has been hidden and at the very least passively condoned for decades.
 
2012-12-22 09:31:39 PM
A few points to throw out there:

Catholic priests also molest girls and get into inappropriate relationships with teenage girls and women. And there are some priests like Marcial Maciel, the founder of the Legion of Christ, who covered all the bases.

Sexual abuse runs rampant in Protestant churches, particularly the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches. However, the IFB churches don't have one overarching bureaucracy (that I'm aware of) that shuffles perpetrators around. They rely on shame and local ostracism to keep things quiet.

This also reminds me of how I have been hit on by guys who have taken religious vows (one Buddhist monk in the saffron robes, one Catholic priest), or seen young male coworkers get hit on by a Catholic priest, or my gay friend has seen priests and pastors in gay bars . . . Vows? hah.
 
2012-12-22 09:32:36 PM

5tr4t4: "You've got to be kidding, I don't believe that at all"

How to spot a pedosmile.
www.sunnewsnetwork.ca
www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net


a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com
 
2012-12-22 09:35:34 PM
FARK
- anti catholic
- pro Darwin
- anti self defense
- pro marihuana
- anti government spying
- pro government gun grabbing
- anti god
- pro LOL cats
- anti negro
- pro beer snobbery

The Internet equivalent of the Movember mustache dipped in egg nog in the middle of April: Fark
 
2012-12-22 09:37:10 PM
I'll let Ms. Stewy exemplify my shocked veneer

cdn2.mamapop.com
 
2012-12-22 09:39:16 PM

amquelbettamin: FARK
- anti catholic
- pro Darwin
- anti self defense
- pro marihuana
- anti government spying
- pro government gun grabbing
- anti god
- pro LOL cats
- anti negro
- pro beer snobbery

The Internet equivalent of the Movember mustache dipped in egg nog in the middle of April: Fark


Welcome?
 
2012-12-22 09:47:19 PM

amquelbettamin: FARK
- anti catholic
- pro Darwin
- anti self defense
- pro marihuana
- anti government spying
- pro government gun grabbing
- anti god
- pro LOL cats
- anti negro
- pro beer snobbery

The Internet equivalent of the Movember mustache dipped in egg nog in the middle of April: Fark


I can't think of anything he has forgotten, can you guys? Oh wait...yes I can.
-pro boobies
-secretly mysogynistic
 
2012-12-22 09:47:43 PM
You can't take the evil out of the institution now, it has run too deep for too long and too many in high power are implicated. The only way forward is to burn the whole thing to the ground and start over.

/please?
 
2012-12-22 09:51:29 PM

MikeMc: JohnAnnArbor: Deacon != priest.

But apparently still part of the clergy.


Members of the diaconate are members of the clergy and can be married. They are not priests and can only administer some sacraments.
 
2012-12-22 09:53:29 PM
Choices always were a problem for you.
What you need is someone strong to guide you.
Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow,
what you need is someone strong to guide you..
like me, like me, like me, like me

If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me.
Now don't judge or question.
You are broken now, but faith can heal you.
Just do everything I tell you to do.

Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow.
What you need is someone strong to guide you.
Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow.
Let me lay my holy hand upon you.

My Gods will becomes me.
When he speaks out, he speaks through me.
He has needs like I do.
We both want to rape you.


Jesus Christ, why don't you come save my life now
Open my eyes and blind me with your light

If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me.
Now don't you judge or question.
You are broken now, but faith can heal you.
Just do everything I tell you to do.

Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow,
Let me lay my holy hand upon you.

My Gods will becomes me.
When he speaks, he speaks through me.
He has needs like I do.
We both want to rape you

Opiate
 
2012-12-22 09:53:35 PM

FunkOut: bighairyguy: Looks like a stand up guy, not creepy at all.
[img191.imageshack.us image 718x1084]

Why do so many have that overly bright sparkling creepy look in their eyes? Like that Jimmy Savile bloke.


Probably years of watching what normal people look like and trying to mimic it.
Like alien/horror movies where they're dressed as humans pretending to be them. Its ALMOST correct, but creepily off somehow.
 
2012-12-22 09:57:08 PM

sure haven't: FunkOut: bighairyguy: Looks like a stand up guy, not creepy at all.
[img191.imageshack.us image 718x1084]

Why do so many have that overly bright sparkling creepy look in their eyes? Like that Jimmy Savile bloke.

Probably years of watching what normal people look like and trying to mimic it.
Like alien/horror movies where they're dressed as humans pretending to be them. Its ALMOST correct, but creepily off somehow.


www.wearysloth.com
 
2012-12-22 10:19:38 PM
Deny sexuality outside of marriage.
Deny homosexuality.
Deny priests marriage.

Sounds like a recipe for sexual dysfunction.
 
2012-12-22 10:28:10 PM

skinink: Can't these horny priests just fark each other and leave the kids alone?


Isn't homosexuality different than pedophilia?  Or does it only count as pedophilia if it's against an opposite-sex child?

amquelbettamin: FARK
- anti catholic
- pro Darwin
- anti self defense
- pro marihuana
- anti government spying
- pro government gun grabbing
- anti god
- pro LOL cats
- anti negro
- pro beer snobbery

The Internet equivalent of the Movember mustache dipped in egg nog in the middle of April: Fark


You forgot pro-boobies.
 
2012-12-22 10:35:48 PM
"You've got to be kidding, I don't believe that at all," said Dianna Poisson, president of the Catholic Women's League of Canada, a St-Edmund's church group.

It's a reflex now.  Anyone mentions child sex, and,  "NO.  Nope, don't believe it, can't be true, nope nope nope..." which then morphs into "Anti-Religion, Persecution of Catholics, Hatred of the Church..."

Servile f*ckwits.
 
2012-12-22 10:49:52 PM
Ok seriously, this has gone far beyond a stereotype now. What is the connection? Why would someone attracted to kids say "Hey, I think I'll become a priest."
 
2012-12-22 11:02:50 PM

amquelbettamin: FARK
- anti catholic
- pro Darwin
- anti self defense
- pro marihuana
- anti government spying
- pro government gun grabbing
- anti god
- pro LOL cats
- anti negro
- pro beer snobbery

The Internet equivalent of the Movember mustache dipped in egg nog in the middle of April: Fark


Nah this is pretty much trolling

"govt gun grabbing" tends to show yr bias

Fark is pro stuff you can back up with facts
- anti BS
- anti taking anything too seriously

hence catholics and god tend to get short shrift
Darwin and marijuana reform gets the love

/"anti-negro"?
 
2012-12-22 11:18:57 PM
a homosexual that sneaked in,

we need to purge the homosexuals from the church and have maried clergy.

//if you suck the d!ck you loose the kingdom; SK
 
2012-12-22 11:21:26 PM

mjjt: Darwin and marijuana reform gets the love


www.medicalmarijuanablog.com

Amen
 
2012-12-22 11:21:49 PM

Hand Banana: Ok seriously, this has gone far beyond a stereotype now. What is the connection? Why would someone attracted to kids say "Hey, I think I'll become a priest."


Because you have unlimited access to potential victims in an environment where anyone who might report your crimes refuses to believe you could possibly commit them? Also molesters are more about power than sex - and Catholic priests are handed power on a gold-plated paten by the servile f*ckwits that attend their churches.
 
2012-12-22 11:24:08 PM

bighairyguy: Looks like a stand up guy, not creepy at all.


His photo has an Overly Attached Catholic World Youth Day Organizer look to it....
 
2012-12-22 11:27:33 PM
I am sure there must be lots of good Catholic priests, men with their hearts in the right places who are appalled by this sort of thing. But apparently I differ from them in at least one significant way. Namely, if I was a member of an organization that repeatedly, around the world, had so many members engaged in child abuse of one sort or the other, and that organization repeatedly, and at the highest levels, engaged in cover-ups or did little or nothing to stop the abuse, I WOULD QUIT THAT ORGANIZATION at the earliest opportunity.
 
2012-12-22 11:34:35 PM

gwenners: I find it more and more difficult to snark about Catholic child molesters. Will they ever clean up their act? Can they?


Why do you think they went into the priesthood?
 
2012-12-22 11:56:40 PM
I feel like this headline is missing a "To the surprise of absolutely no one."
 
2012-12-23 12:47:30 AM

gwenners: I find it more and more difficult to snark about Catholic child molesters. Will they ever clean up their act? Can they?


It's hard to get those stains out of robes, but it just takes a good dry cleaner.
 
2012-12-23 01:01:38 AM
As a Catholic, let me just say that this is not acceptable.
Today, the Vatican has announced that it has appointed a Boston priest to lead the prosecution on sex abuse claims. (And also, the Pope pardoned his butler- he is now released from prison).
I personally believe that priests who commit such acts, after being found guilty in the court of law, should go through an ecclesiastical trial and if found guilty in such a trial, they should be excommunicated from the Church entirely.

Understand that the actual percentage of priests who commit such crimes are very low, no higher than the actual percentage of the population. The Church is doing its best to end these abuses.
 
2012-12-23 01:04:49 AM
Being a priest is great. You get respect, easy secure job, and all the young tight ass you can handle.
 
2012-12-23 01:10:08 AM
Was the Obvious tag reassigned to a different parish?
 
2012-12-23 02:08:21 AM
Seems he wore black all the time and he was into gothic architecture.
 
2012-12-23 02:20:05 AM
The catholic church has ruined more kids than every successful multiple-victim shooter in history, but I guess we're all good with that....
 
2012-12-23 02:41:01 AM
When I hear the words "Catholic priest" I really hear the words "creepy pedophile. " It's pretty clear at this point that the Catholic church is just a front for pedophilic weirdos.
 
2012-12-23 02:47:58 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Hand Banana: Ok seriously, this has gone far beyond a stereotype now. What is the connection? Why would someone attracted to kids say "Hey, I think I'll become a priest."

Because you have unlimited access to potential victims in an environment where anyone who might report your crimes refuses to believe you could possibly commit them? Also molesters are more about power than sex - and Catholic priests are handed power on a gold-plated paten by the servile f*ckwits that attend their churches.


It doesn't have to be that devious. More likely, for many priests, who commit to priesthood fairly early in life, there is a struggle with sexuality and a recognition that as a priest they won't be expected to marry. So maybe it's a combination of escapism and hope that the training or church structure or some aspect of priestly duties will take away the desire and the temptation. Then they end up in situations where people put complete trust in them and they aren't prepared to handle it. I really don't think that they view children as potential victims, but priests sometimes do spend lots of time thinking about sex and why they can't have it, and possibly trying to justify deviant sexual activity. An 18-year-old boy trying a bit too earnestly to discover his vocation is not the same as a 40-year-old pedophile.

Too reasonable? If so, we could just put on Klan hoods and lynch the Catholics.
 
2012-12-23 02:50:30 AM

halfof33: phrawgh: If a local chapter of North American Man/Boy Love Association opened a store front in any community, they would be ran out by fire and pitchforks. It seems obvious a child is more likely to get raped by a priest yet their organization (the church) operates openly and people STILL SEND THEIR CHILDREN THERE!!!

And a child is ten times more likely to get raped by a family member than going to school where they are 10 times more likely to be raped than by a minister/priest.


Grammar says what?
 
2012-12-23 02:55:07 AM

Rockstone: As a Catholic, let me just say that this is not acceptable.
Today, the Vatican has announced that it has appointed a Boston priest to lead the prosecution on sex abuse claims. (And also, the Pope pardoned his butler- he is now released from prison).
I personally believe that priests who commit such acts, after being found guilty in the court of law, should go through an ecclesiastical trial and if found guilty in such a trial, they should be excommunicated from the Church entirely.

Understand that the actual percentage of priests who commit such crimes are very low, no higher than the actual percentage of the population. The Church is doing its best to end these abuses.


No, you're a towel!
 
2012-12-23 02:56:22 AM
Well, there you go. Again.
 
2012-12-23 02:58:07 AM
Cock-itch?
 
2012-12-23 03:44:19 AM
Over half of the Catholic priests are gay (probably 70 percent now) and the Catholic church condemns homosexuality. It must be a "you have to be in our club to do that" type of set up. I guess as long as they pound Jesus instead of Mohammed into the boys it's okay.
 
2012-12-23 03:53:12 AM

Rockstone: Understand that the actual percentage of priests who commit such crimes are very low, no higher than the actual percentage of the population.


The average population does not cover up for and protect perpetrators of child sexual abuse, the Catholic Church hierarchy does. How anyone could continue to claim membership after the revelation of that fact is completely baffling.
 
2012-12-23 04:22:38 AM

Red Shirt Blues: WhyteRaven74: serpent_sky:  Jesuits

And don't be straight. You really don't want to be straight in the Jesuits.


You sound homophobic fat.  Straight or gay, if the order requires everyone to repress their sexuality instead of expressing it in normal ways, in some people the urges will come out in inappropriate ways.  The priests are in part victims of a bad policy - the doctrine of sexual abstinence for the Catholic clergy.  Of course they have personal responsibility as well when they commit a sex crime.

Suppose we were talking about a religious order that had women in the equivalent position to priests, and the story was hot milfy church lady dances in the dark with half of local high school's defensive line? The Catholic priest cases are part of the same matrix as the teacher-student stories.  Not clear how old the alleged victims were in this particular case, but apparently not old enough.
 
2012-12-23 05:46:54 AM

Hand Banana: Ok seriously, this has gone far beyond a stereotype now. What is the connection? Why would someone attracted to kids say "Hey, I think I'll become a priest."


Why wouldn't they? Lots of access to kids who trust you and (until recently) almost no chance of going to jail even if you get caught.
 
2012-12-23 06:50:06 AM
The Catholic priesthood is a haven for homosexuals.
 
2012-12-23 07:38:52 AM

fusillade762: Forlorne Greene: These events wouldn't happen if only we let God into our churches children.


LOL. Win in 2.
 
2012-12-23 07:43:46 AM
This is seriously not even a surprise anymore.
Digging up a new kiddy-diddling Catholic priest is becoming as common an occurrence as the latest high-school-student-banging teacher.
 
2012-12-23 07:46:09 AM

amquelbettamin: FARK
- anti catholic
- pro Darwin
- anti self defense
- pro marihuana
- anti government spying
- pro government gun grabbing
- anti god
- pro LOL cats
- anti negro
- pro beer snobbery

The Internet equivalent of the Movember mustache dipped in egg nog in the middle of April: Fark


When did fark turn into 4chan?
 
2012-12-23 08:07:28 AM
You know, if the person who created World Youth Day was anything other than a Catholic priest, this story would be a good candidate for the "Ironic" tag.
Instead, it's more of an "Obvious".
 
2012-12-23 08:37:24 AM

BoxOfBees: SoIt doesn't have to be that devious. More likely, for many priests, who commit to priesthood fairly early in life, there is a struggle with sexuality and a recognition that as a priest they won't be expected to marry. So maybe it's a combination of escapism and hope that the training or church structure or some aspect of priestly duties will take away the desire and the temptation. Then they end up in situations where people put complete trust in them and they aren't prepared to handle it. I really don't think that they view children as potential victims, but priests sometimes do spend lots of time thinking about sex and why they can't have it, and possibly trying to justify deviant sexual activity. An 18-year-old boy trying a bit too earnestly to discover his vocation is not the same as a 40-year-old pedophile.

Too reasonable? If so, we could just put on Klan hoods and lynch the Catholics.


Sooo...they go after young boys because, well, they're horny and can't get married? Sorry, they don't get a pass. They could save their nickles and dimes and get the odd beej from the friendly neighbourhood ho. I'd be cool with that. Or just jerk the gherkin in the privacy of their own bed, or pull themselves in the shower. That's what normal folks would do. I put it to you that these guys committing the offences were never normal in that respect to begin with.
 
2012-12-23 08:55:50 AM

bighairyguy: Looks like a stand up guy, not creepy at all.
[img191.imageshack.us image 718x1084]


I came here to point out his short eyes, but wow. Nevermind
 
2012-12-23 09:07:46 AM
There is no catholicphile chuch.  Well not too much.
 
2012-12-23 09:30:43 AM

amquelbettamin: FARK
- anti catholic
- pro Darwin
- anti self defense
- pro marihuana
- anti government spying
- pro government gun grabbing
- anti god
- pro LOL cats
- anti negro
- pro beer snobbery

The Internet equivalent of the Movember mustache dipped in egg nog in the middle of April: Fark


I know you're trolling, because you left out pro bacon.

/Well played, sir
//Lootie, Duke sucks, squirrel testicles
///Bacon
 
2012-12-23 10:02:24 AM
Be leary of adult men who want to be around children. Normal guys would rather hang out with adult women.
 
2012-12-23 11:37:03 AM
Is it me or does this God shiat just fark things up?  How about that Wetburro Baptist Cult, can't they all just take their own lives like the other whack jobs?  I mean it's Xmas FFS.
 
2012-12-23 12:44:50 PM

BoxOfBees: Benevolent Misanthrope: Hand Banana: Ok seriously, this has gone far beyond a stereotype now. What is the connection? Why would someone attracted to kids say "Hey, I think I'll become a priest."

Because you have unlimited access to potential victims in an environment where anyone who might report your crimes refuses to believe you could possibly commit them? Also molesters are more about power than sex - and Catholic priests are handed power on a gold-plated paten by the servile f*ckwits that attend their churches.

It doesn't have to be that devious. More likely, for many priests, who commit to priesthood fairly early in life, there is a struggle with sexuality and a recognition that as a priest they won't be expected to marry. So maybe it's a combination of escapism and hope that the training or church structure or some aspect of priestly duties will take away the desire and the temptation. Then they end up in situations where people put complete trust in them and they aren't prepared to handle it. I really don't think that they view children as potential victims, but priests sometimes do spend lots of time thinking about sex and why they can't have it, and possibly trying to justify deviant sexual activity. An 18-year-old boy trying a bit too earnestly to discover his vocation is not the same as a 40-year-old pedophile.

Too reasonable? If so, we could just put on Klan hoods and lynch the Catholics.


Oh, I'm sure. I was responding to the question of why someone who KNOWS they're a child molester would go into the priesthood.
 
2012-12-23 01:27:59 PM

generallyso: Rockstone: Understand that the actual percentage of priests who commit such crimes are very low, no higher than the actual percentage of the population.

The average population does not cover up for and protect perpetrators of child sexual abuse, the Catholic Church hierarchy does. How anyone could continue to claim membership after the revelation of that fact is completely baffling.


Most of the Church does not. And if Penn State is any indication, the average population does.

/ You hear about more abuses by other Churches, yet you do not say the same thing about them.
 
2012-12-23 01:38:33 PM

Rockstone: generallyso: Rockstone: Understand that the actual percentage of priests who commit such crimes are very low, no higher than the actual percentage of the population.

The average population does not cover up for and protect perpetrators of child sexual abuse, the Catholic Church hierarchy does. How anyone could continue to claim membership after the revelation of that fact is completely baffling.

Most of the Church does not. And if Penn State is any indication, the average population does.

/ You hear about more abuses by other Churches, yet you do not say the same thing about them.


Oh for f*ck's sake. Really? You're going to throw the "THEY do it, TOO!!!" card?

I swear to Elvis, the Catholic Church is the most corrupt institution on the planet, and that includes New Orleans. And they stay that way because of the servile f*ckwits that keep giving them money and power. Having seen it from the inside, I can tell you without reservation that they know precisely what they're doing, and they don't give a shiat whether you like it or not.
 
2012-12-23 02:06:48 PM
No we're not.
The Church is one of the least corrupt institutions around. Unless you really think China and North Korea are bastions of perfection.
The Church gives more money to charity and provides more charities than any other religious institution, and the Church does not care if you are Catholic or not. All are treated equally.
 
2012-12-23 02:10:48 PM

Rockstone: No we're not.
The Church is one of the least corrupt institutions around. Unless you really think China and North Korea are bastions of perfection.
The Church gives more money to charity and provides more charities than any other religious institution, and the Church does not care if you are Catholic or not. All are treated equally.


i've had the giiggles about this post for wha feels like a weeknow HAAAAAAAAAAAA!
 
2012-12-23 02:51:57 PM
When you add it all up, worldwide -- the endless stories of global child molestation, stolen babies in Spain, castrations in Holland, those laundries in Ireland, that really crooked guy in Philly, those schools in Canada, the mayhem, murder, and just general malfeasance forever swirling around the vatican -- and this is just the start of it -- it's a puzzle anybody still walks down the same side of the road, let alone set foot in any of these places, isn't it?
 
2012-12-23 09:45:37 PM
Biglot, I don't know what you're listening to, but most of that has never happened.

Couldn't you literally say the same thing about any number of abuses institutions commit? "It's a puzzle anybody is a US citizen after some of the abuses of the CIA, FBI, and its military".
Do you even think?
 
2012-12-24 10:21:30 AM

uttertosh: Rockstone: No we're not.
The Church is one of the least corrupt institutions around. Unless you really think China and North Korea are bastions of perfection.
The Church gives more money to charity and provides more charities than any other religious institution, and the Church does not care if you are Catholic or not. All are treated equally.

i've had the giiggles about this post for wha feels like a weeknow HAAAAAAAAAAAA!


Sorry, I was uttery plated when I posted that.

I see, now, from your profile, that you are a Catholic. Well, sorry to break it to you, but the corruption paper trail goes all the way to the top (regarding many subjects, but we're talking child abuse, in this instance). There is an institutional protection racket tied to the Catholic church, that intentionally covers up what it can, suppresses all information it can, and actively hides, nay, shields paedophiles within it's ranks, from receiving any legal consequences for their actions. Why? Because Jesus preached forgiveness. (yes, that is the actual stance of the Vatican on the subject) Real reason? Because if the full extent of this unacceptable practice were to be revealed, the Church would evaporate overnight in a cloud of pitchforks and torches, not seen since witches were a 'problem'.

Due to the scale of it, what they are unable successfully cover up, we actually get to hear about in the press. This obviously just the tip of a seriously horrifying institutional iceberg.

WWJD? See: turning the tables. yarly.

"What we're dealing with here, is a failure to excommunicate. Some men you just can't reach"

If you truly were a follower of the Christ, you'd not be so blind to the Church's horrific abuse of power over the ages.

They give to charity, so all is forgiveable? Well, even if Charles Manson were the biggest supporter of charity in the world, I'd still think his actions were pure Evil, and that no financial recompense to the world would EVER excuse him of that!

But you are probably born into Catholicism, thus blinded by their propaganda, and so TL;DR "lallalalalalalalalal dododododooooodedededededeooooo ICANTHEARYOU"

/Wouldn't want to admit I was Catholic in public. Not even if I was. Tar, brush, feathers, etc.
 
2012-12-24 01:27:40 PM
Obvious tag too busy being naked and hog-tied?
 
2012-12-24 02:35:16 PM

uttertosh: blah blah blah racism blah blah blah unsourced stupidity...

What are you taking about? Unsourced allegations do not make them true. The Church has occasionally abused its power (though compared to the protestants, not very often, and note that even events like the sacking of Constantinople were not authorized by the Pope- he sent a letter ordering the Crusaders to leave it alone, but the letter did not reach them in time to stop it) and again other institutions have abused their power too, and much more often. If you're an American citizen, why are you one? Haven't the Americans committed abuses too?

I'm PROUD to be Catholic.
 
2012-12-24 04:11:36 PM

Rockstone: What are you taking about? lalalalalala fingers in my ears dododododdedodedodeoThe Church has occasionally abused its power (though compared to the protestants yadda yadda yadda loopy poopy dooo i cant hear you over how awesome it is to be a Catholic. If you're an American citizen, why are you one? Haven't the Americans committed abuses too?

I'm PROUD to be Ignorant of the Truth.


See what you did to my post? Now you have it back.

To respond seriously, though (and not simply be flippant, as you were) The reason that there's not much evidence of institutionalized, methodical child abuse in the Catholic Church, is because of the wall of silence that the Catholic church pulls up when the subject is broached. And even when it has admitted what was going on, they still think that the abusers within their ranks should be forgiven.

You have already noted that the sources there are mainly Australian,
so to shut you up about that, I am neither American, nor Australian. I barely even consider myself either of the nationalities stated on my dual passports.


You, are correct in saying that other 'Good' organisations abuse power. But, your Church is by far the one with the largest population penetration, and the longest history of (institutionalised, systematic, sexually oriented, CHILD) abuse. So much so, that (i'm quite sure) Jesus would have plotted to blow up the Vatican for ABUSING His name and Philosophies to seriously damage children, the world over, with little, or no repercussions for the abusers' actions. Even going as far as to relocate the abusers to another country to avoid pers/prosecution, using Jesus' teachings of forgiveness as an excuse.

But, you were born a Catholic, so I know all this is falling on deaf finger-plugged ears.
 
2012-12-24 04:23:49 PM

Rockstone: racism


wait... WTF? Please spell out to me where I was racist, (or where I mentioned racism)?
 
2012-12-24 09:44:21 PM
As you're obviously not going to respond, I'd like to add:

Rockstone: I'm PROUD to be Catholic.


Well, you shouldn't be. Every penny you give to the Catholic Church is a penny that goes towards PROTECTING THE WORST KIND OF SEXUAL PREDATOR HISTORY HAS EVER HAD - THE ONE WHO HIDES BEHIND JESUS .
 
2012-12-24 10:32:55 PM
Uttertosh
You know how I can tell you've never been to a Catholic Mass or actually listened to Catholic Teachings, or heck, actually learned basic understanding? Your post is full of rantings.

Do you really think the Average Catholic or Catholic Priest actually believes that child sexual abuse isn't a major sin? You're wrong if you do. We were just as appalled as everyone else when we discovered some of the actions of a minority of priests and the minority of Church leadership. However, the actions of the minority of members of the Church do not speak for the actions of the Church as a whole.

We do believe that, if you go to confession, your sins are forgiven. The Church also believes (necessarily) that the content of confessions must remain confidential and cannot be told to ANYONE (otherwise, people would not confess). Knowing this, if a priest confesses such a crime during confession, the Bishop cannot report him. If the Bishop feels he cannot keep his word however, then he must refuse to grant the confession. This is part of the problem. A priest or bishop that reveals secrets told during confession can get into serious trouble.

I know that you don't understand this at all. But even if you don't understand that, surely you can understand that 700 cases, out of 1,200,000,000 adherents world wide is a tiny, tiny portion of the population. Even if that number were an order of magnitude higher, it is still FAR less than 1% of the population.

I'm not even sure why I waste the time typing- it will fall on deaf ears with you.
 
2012-12-25 04:22:30 AM

Rockstone: You know how I can tell you've never been to a Catholic Mass or actually listened to Catholic Teachings, or heck, actually learned basic understanding? Your post is full of rantings.


*facepalm* I was born into a Catholic family. I reject the phony faith, and am a better human being for it. Next.

Rockstone: Do you really think the Average Catholic or Catholic Priest actually believes that child sexual abuse isn't a major sin?


Rhetorical rhetoric is rhetorical. Remove Catholic, enter Human, to see why.

A major SIN?!?! No amount of hail marys should be allowed to absolve you from crimes like that. Nothing should. This is Catholicism we're talking about. All members of the Cloth are not 'Average' from their flock's perspective, but figures of Respect, Love, Understanding, and Knowledge. Especially to children. Not just 'normal' humans, but superior because of Enlightenment. Rolemodels, if you will.

Rockstone: We were just as appalled as everyone else when we discovered some of the actions of a minority of priests and the minority of Church leadership


I would hope you were more than 'just as appalled' as everyone else. These actions were carried out by human beings that hold positions of great power and influence in the communities to which they swore, in front of GOD, to serve. Under the name of your Church, no less.

Rockstone: This is part of the problem. A priest or bishop that reveals secrets told during confession can get into serious trouble.


NO! THIS IS THE PROBLEM: THEY HIDE BEHIND THE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST, THUS PERPETUATING THE SYSTEMATIC RAPING OF CHILDREN IN THEIR CARE.

If they're really *torn* between getting in trouble for giving police information regarding one of their own SEXUALLY ABUSING CHILDREN IN THEIR CARE, then possibly they are the ones with no morals.

May I remind you, at this point, that Jesus would have rather meet certain death, than to allow this "SINNING" to continue.

Rockstone: I know that you don't understand this at all


Arrogant presumption. But, I forgive you.

Rockstone: 700 cases, out of 1,200,000,000 adherents world wide is a tiny, tiny portion of the population. Even if that number were an order of magnitude higher, it is still FAR less than 1% of the population.


No, there are not 1.2 Billion Catholic Clergy in the world. And, in case your faith is telling you otherwise, allow me to try some rhetoric here: 700/400,000 is 700 too many (and just the tip of the CONFESSED iceberg)

Rockstone: I'm not even sure why I waste the time typing- it will fall on deaf ears with you.


Oh, touché....

If it were my faith that had put these people in power, I'd be questioning the leadership that continually protects them and keeps them in their positions of power. (Regardless of faith, community leader is a serious role, with serious responsibility, encouraging the Flock to follow the example. btw.) Instead of believing that "it's only a minority", try questioning why the "minority" are protected by those in higher positions of power.

Further endangering the welfare of children by turning an effective blind eye, is NOT responsible leadership. What message is the Church trying to convey by allowing this practice?
 
2012-12-25 04:25:06 AM

uttertosh: Rockstone: racism

wait... WTF? Please spell out to me where I was racist, (or where I mentioned racism)?


address this, or go on ignore as "Catholic Troll"
 
2012-12-25 02:17:59 PM

uttertosh: A major SIN?!?! No amount of hail marys should be allowed to absolve you from crimes like that. Nothing should.


That's not Catholic Teaching. Catholic teaching is that if you commit a sin and go to confession, truly and totally, and absolutely repentant, you're forgiven. That doesn't mean that the ecclesiastical courts won't punish you, but it does mean that you're forgiven. Of course, chances are, someone who confesses to something like that is probably not repentant, meaning they've still committed a sin.

I

uttertosh: All members of the Cloth are not 'Average' from their flock's perspective, but figures of Respect, Love, Understanding, and Knowledge. Especially to children. Not just 'normal' humans, but superior because of Enlightenment. Rolemodels, if you will.


Depends on the priest. Priests are not "superior" to the average person. That's not Catholic teaching. The Pope goes to confession several times a day, and he's the POPE.

uttertosh: If they're really *torn* between getting in trouble for giving police information regarding one of their own SEXUALLY ABUSING CHILDREN IN THEIR CARE, then possibly they are the ones with no morals.


Do you not understand that revealing what is said in a private confession will get you defrocked? Obviously, you don't.

uttertosh: No, there are not 1.2 Billion Catholic Clergy in the world. And, in case your faith is telling you otherwise, allow me to try some rhetoric here: 700/400,000 is 700 too many (and just the tip of the CONFESSED iceberg)


That's 0.175% of the clergy. That's a tiny number. That's less than the average population- which is 1%.
Even if you assume it's triple that, it's still less than 1%. You're also not including deacons, sisters, and nuns, which would make that second number even higher, so it's probably closer to 0.1%.

uttertosh: If it were my faith that had put these people in power, I'd be questioning the leadership that continually protects them and keeps them in their positions of power. (Regardless of faith, community leader is a serious role, with serious responsibility, encouraging the Flock to follow the example. btw.) Instead of believing that "it's only a minority", try questioning why the "minority" are protected by those in higher positions of power.


They're protected by yet again a very small minority of people in power. I think part of the problem was that the Bishops didn't know what to do. They do now, though. There's a process in place to ensure this never happens again. But it wasn't an intentional thing to try to cover the crime up.

uttertosh: uttertosh: Rockstone: racism

wait... WTF? Please spell out to me where I was racist, (or where I mentioned racism)?

address this, or go on ignore as "Catholic Troll"


You sound like an anti-Catholic troll yourself. You're being racist by insulting the religious of the Church. Well, maybe you're not being racist, but you're being very offensive.
 
2012-12-25 06:07:16 PM

Rockstone: That doesn't mean that the ecclesiastical courts won't punish you


And as you've said, only if there is a criminal conviction would ecclesiastical court even begin to be considered. If there's even the remotest chance say, a medical doctor is abusing their patients, they get put on leave immediately, pending very thorough investigation. Does that happen in the Church?

Rockstone: Depends on the priest. Priests are not "superior" to the average person. That's not Catholic teaching.


Yes, I'm aware that's not Catholic teaching, and that Priests are humans like the rest of us. But, to the Flock, they are the teachers and bastions of all that is good. Abuse of that position can be utterly poisoning to a community at large. Especially when the abuse is of children in their care.

Rockstone: Do you not understand that revealing what is said in a private confession will get you defrocked? Obviously, you don't.


So if he does the morally right thing, he loses his job? Yes, I got that. Do you really think that the best thing is to cover up child abuse, in order to save one's career? Defrocking should be the least of that persons worries. There's your duty to you job, and then there's your duty to your fellow man. Which should be given priority? WWJD?

Agree, or disagree?

(Personally, I'd rather lose everything I have, if it meant even one child was spared from this kind of fate, at the hands of the person who is, from the child's perspective, to be God's representative on earth.)

Rockstone: That's 0.175% of the clergy. That's a tiny number. That's less than the average population- which is 1%.
Even if you assume it's triple that, it's still less than 1%. You're also not including deacons, sisters, and nuns, which would make that second number even higher, so it's probably closer to 0.1%


Which ever way you rationalize it, it's still too many children abused by persons that hide behind Catholic Doctrine. The number should be 0. The point is that you can't compare a Priest to a hardened criminal, because nobody would go to church if it were represented by a nasty biker thug. Nobody would trust the care of orphans to a street gang. Nobody looks to psychotic serial killers for moral advice. That's what the Church is supposed to provide. Now, if the Church's doctrine won't allow Priests, Bishops, whoever, to come forward when they know children are being abused, why should you trust the Church at all?

Rockstone: But it wasn't an intentional thing to try to cover the crime up.


We have to agree do disagree on this point. They have every reason to cover this sort of thing up. The Church really does have everything to lose.

There's every chance that this kind of cover up has been endemic for centuries (the only proof being the word of little boys, in times when children shouldn't be seen, or heard) - it's only really in the last 20-30 years that kids have even been listened to in cases like this - just look at Jimmy Savile in the UK - nobody came forward at the time, and the ones that did were simply branded 'TROUBLEMAKER' and that's a sleazy radio DJ!. What do you think happened to boys who accused the holiest man in the village of such vile and unholy things? My father had the caning scars on the backs of his legs to show for being one of those. A troublemaker. He never showed anyone those scars until he was in his 50's, the shame was that much, and then it was to me, after asking him about his childhood. I'm glad that the poor tortured bastard is dead.

Rockstone: You sound like an anti-Catholic troll yourself. You're being racist by insulting the religious of the Church. Well, maybe you're not being racist, but you're being very offensive.



I will admit that I am antitheist, but no way am I a troll about it.

I have a very successful, and very private relationship with God. I truly believe in the teachings of the Christ, but am so at odds with the whole of "Christianity" (each branch, quite clearly to me, have their own special sort of Evil running through them, not just Catholicism, all versions based thereupon do), that to call myself one would be taking His name in vain. (in my spiritual opinion) Being tarred with the same brush as these abusers, and their protectors, interests me not one bit, and i have no clue as to why anyone else would actively choose to be, either.

Dude, thanks for the reply. I really didn't think you had it in you to be civil to me, but you've proved me wrong. +1

Oh, yeah i nearly forgot, you really need to re-read the definition of racism, man. That's so not cool. :-( -1

Well, I guess I'm now ambivalent to you. ;-)
 
2012-12-25 06:11:46 PM

uttertosh: Agree, or disagree?


sorry, that was from a block note i obviously failed to delete the whole of. Ignore, and carry on! :)
 
2012-12-25 07:11:08 PM

uttertosh: And as you've said, only if there is a criminal conviction would ecclesiastical court even begin to be considered. If there's even the remotest chance say, a medical doctor is abusing their patients, they get put on leave immediately, pending very thorough investigation. Does that happen in the Church?


No, because of due process. There's lots of people who claim abuse, either to discredit the Church or to try to get a settlement. Though I do agree the penalties should be stiffer and after a reasonably credible accusation, they should at least be removed from any interactions with Children.

uttertosh: Yes, I'm aware that's not Catholic teaching, and that Priests are humans like the rest of us. But, to the Flock, they are the teachers and bastions of all that is good. Abuse of that position can be utterly poisoning to a community at large. Especially when the abuse is of children in their care.


Yes, I agree. That's why the Church should be (and is becoming firmer) when allegations arise.


uttertosh: So if he does the morally right thing, he loses his job? Yes, I got that. Do you really think that the best thing is to cover up child abuse, in order to save one's career? Defrocking should be the least of that persons worries. There's your duty to you job, and then there's your duty to your fellow man. Which should be given priority? WWJD?


I think the seal of sacramental confession is most important, because if it can be broken in one occasion, it can be broken in any occasion.
Outside of confession? If the priest can give evidence outside of it, I believe it's fair game to report it.

uttertosh: Which ever way you rationalize it, it's still too many children abused by persons that hide behind Catholic Doctrine. The number should be 0. The point is that you can't compare a Priest to a hardened criminal, because nobody would go to church if it were represented by a nasty biker thug. Nobody would trust the care of orphans to a street gang. Nobody looks to psychotic serial killers for moral advice. That's what the Church is supposed to provide. Now, if the Church's doctrine won't allow Priests, Bishops, whoever, to come forward when they know children are being abused, why should you trust the Church at all?


The Church's doctrine only says they can't come forward within the seal of confession. Outside of it, anyone can. I know you can't compare a priest to a hardened criminal, but at 0.3% of the population of priests, I feel that's still incredibly low. It is higher than it should be, but it's lower than the average by far. Take a sample of 2000 people at random, you'll probably find a few sex offenders. In the Church, you'll likely find one at the most, if that. I do think there needs to be a faster process to excommunicate priests who have been proven to have committed such crimes.

uttertosh: We have to agree do disagree on this point. They have every reason to cover this sort of thing up. The Church really does have everything to lose.


Well, the Church is hurt more by covering it up. The Church has never claimed to have perfect clergy (the Catholic Encyclopedia calls Pope Benedict IX " a disgrace to the Chair of Peter" http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02429a.htm). I still feel like it was not an attempt to cover it up, but rather the bishops didn't know what to do, and they didn't want to be the person asking the arch bishops or even the Pope what they should do.

uttertosh: There's every chance that this kind of cover up has been endemic for centuries


No more likely than any other institution. (There's plenty of cases of pedophiles in the ranks of other religious faiths. Of course, only the Catholic Church has a leadership system that is global, which I suppose is part of where the controversy lies).


uttertosh: Being tarred with the same brush as these abusers, and their protectors, interests me not one bit, and i have no clue as to why anyone else would actively choose to be, either.


Because that's the very very small minority of people. I absolutely love going to my Church and I love the people there. A few bad people does not represent the whole Church.

uttertosh: Dude, thanks for the reply. I really didn't think you had it in you to be civil to me, but you've proved me wrong. +1


Yup, my thoughts too. Reading this you were far more civil than I expected. Thank you for the reply to the reply.

uttertosh: Oh, yeah i nearly forgot, you really need to re-read the definition of racism, man. That's so not cool. :-( -1


Yes, sorry.

uttertosh: Well, I guess I'm now ambivalent to you. ;-)


And I feel the same likewise about you
 
2012-12-25 08:03:27 PM
Oh, and thanks for that link. It's nice to hear that you're not that blinkered about the bad stuff in the Church, too.

I just have this nasty allergic reaction to those in total ignorant denial. (too many of them in all institutions, for sure!)

From my perspective, you seem to hold a bit more naive 'rose tinted' a view than me about the cover up issue, but that's WAY more of a reflection of my history with the Church, than of you as a person.

Oh, gosh darnit, Merry bloomin Christmas, to you, brother. :-)

I genuinely hope you are right about the Church actually reforming. Nothing would make my heart warmer than to get that 0 score we're both after.

/this is what I come to fark for
 
2012-12-25 08:22:54 PM
Merry Christmas to you too!

/ Yes Fark, can be awesome! I like discussions on Fark, because you get all kinds of people. It's fun to debate with people who see things from different perspectives.
 
2012-12-25 08:23:29 PM

Rockstone: different perspectives


addenum: and have completely different views
 
2012-12-26 02:46:00 AM

Rockstone: Rockstone: different perspectives

addenum: and have completely different views


oh, absolutely! It's also one of the last refuges on the whole web where some pretty taboo subjects are discussed at that level, without the degradation into faeces flinging. (well...not always at least) I love standing my ground here, to help me do so IRL without losing my temper (there's nothing that people will say in public to deliberately upset you, that hasn't already been vehemently flametrolled into oblivion here on Fark.)

Peace, brother. May God's hand guide you gracefully, and Bless your path with understanding.

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Oh, and If I'd been trolling you, It would have been quite like this, below, as I am crap at being anything other than Obvious Troll, when i chose to wear the troll hat. Hope the satire below gives you a chuckle, as I've tried hard to cover as much fark trolling in as few words as possible. :)

Yes, there's something about this time of year that reminds me that Catholicism isn't the brainwashing cult I like to demonise it into being. Some Catholics can act quite nice, when they're not sticking the fingers of God into little boys, erm..ears, to block the whargarbl of reason. That's why he's called DarWIN. Duh. I'm 110% SERIOUS.
 
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