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2012-12-22 11:31:40 AM  
They shut down 4 of the 6 schools and found no evidence of any danger and 1 for a low risk incident.  Also fark you for making me read a Sun article.

Canada takes things seriously when it comes to threats and we stop and investigate.  Crazy notion eh?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-22 12:26:40 PM  

Methadone Girls: They shut down 4 of the 6 schools and found no evidence of any danger and 1 for a low risk incident.  Also fark you for making me read a Sun article.

Canada takes things seriously when it comes to threats and we stop and investigate.  Crazy notion eh?


Well, you don't have as many of them either.  If we shut down schools every time some tea bagger or gun nut threatened to start killing people they would be closed permanently.
 
2012-12-22 12:52:34 PM  

Methadone Girls: Canada takes things seriously when it comes to threats and we stop and investigate. Crazy notion eh?


When I was a kid we would have NEVER had school if that's all it took to shut it down. Of course that was before telephones so we would have had to mail in the threats.
 
2012-12-22 06:21:10 PM  

flucto: When I was a kid we would have NEVER had school if that's all it took to shut it down. Of course that was before telephones so we would have had to mail in the threats.


Knowing Canada Post, the schools would have received December bomb threats sometime around mid-July.
 
2012-12-22 06:48:37 PM  

Methadone Girls: They shut down 4 of the 6 schools and found no evidence of any danger and 1 for a low risk incident.  Also fark you for making me read a Sun article.

Canada takes things seriously when it comes to threats and we stop and investigate.  Crazy notion eh?


Well, were the people who called it in atleast very polite? I hear you can take them seriously depending on if they say Please, Sir/Ma'am, Thank you, and Aboot a lot.

Also if they talk about mounties or moose.
 
2012-12-22 07:22:56 PM  

vpb: Methadone Girls: They shut down 4 of the 6 schools and found no evidence of any danger and 1 for a low risk incident.  Also fark you for making me read a Sun article.

Canada takes things seriously when it comes to threats and we stop and investigate.  Crazy notion eh?

Well, you don't have as many of them either.  If we shut down schools every time some tea bagger or gun nut threatened to start killing people they would be closed permanently.


when was the last time a "tea bagger" threatened to start killing people?
 
2012-12-22 07:24:14 PM  

vpb: Methadone Girls: They shut down 4 of the 6 schools and found no evidence of any danger and 1 for a low risk incident.  Also fark you for making me read a Sun article.

Canada takes things seriously when it comes to threats and we stop and investigate.  Crazy notion eh?

Well, you don't have as many of them either.  If we shut down schools every time some OWS person to start killing people they would be closed permanently.


ftfy.
 
2012-12-22 07:28:17 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: when was the last time a "tea bagger" threatened to start killing people?


restoretheconstitution.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-22 08:33:47 PM  
No one got shot and they found a couple of guns.

Pfft.

AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM!!!
 
2012-12-22 09:08:06 PM  

BronyMedic: tenpoundsofcheese: when was the last time a "tea bagger" threatened to start killing people?

[restoretheconstitution.files.wordpress.com image 278x400]


nice picture.
now can you answer the question?

or do wet your pants whenever you see a gun?  do you get scared at Civil War reenactments too?
 
2012-12-22 09:30:55 PM  
This silliness isn't going to stop until we have armed TSA officers in every public school, is it?
 
2012-12-22 09:32:25 PM  
Alberta. Canada's Texas.
 
2012-12-22 09:33:39 PM  
The Mayans have won.
 
2012-12-22 09:36:30 PM  
That's only like 2 Schools US.
 
2012-12-22 09:36:40 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: This silliness isn't going to stop until we have armed TSA officers in every public school, is it?


Pff. Those six 'threats' were just teens wanting the last day of school before Christmas vacation off. RCMP investigates these to a) be sure, and b) dissuade teens from ever getting similar 'ideas'. It wasn't the end of the world.
 
2012-12-22 09:37:17 PM  
When I was in 7th grade an 11th grader was found with a handgun and told to take it home and be back in time for his next class or else. It was Catholic school in the early 60's, so he did as he was told and was back in plenty of time.

Maybe the answer is to bring back nuns.

*shudders*

Never mind.
 
2012-12-22 09:37:25 PM  
Well, to be fair eh, they didn't go off, and kill anybody. And statistically, we are required to kill at least 140 people a year with guns so the list works right and we can go, "holy crap, look at the US number!!!!!".

/hoser
//me, not you eh?
 
2012-12-22 09:37:49 PM  
do you even need a gun to make a gun threat anymore?
 
2012-12-22 09:39:14 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: BronyMedic: tenpoundsofcheese: when was the last time a "tea bagger" threatened to start killing people?

[restoretheconstitution.files.wordpress.com image 278x400]

nice picture.
now can you answer the question?

or do wet your pants whenever you see a gun?  do you get scared at Civil War reenactments too?


Didn't you get the Fark memo?

Conservative label+Liberal made up right wing stereotype= fact

The Tea Party rallies I've been to locally were a lot more peaceful and cleaner than the OWS rally I also visited. I also saw no signs inciting shootings, violence, and racism at one and nothing but that at the other, can you guess which one was which?

Back to your regular Fark programming.
 
2012-12-22 09:40:47 PM  
Guess what the new "phone in a bomb threat to get out of school" line is.

"Phone in a school shooting"

/They're minors so you can't charge them with terrorism.
 
2012-12-22 09:41:41 PM  
Dang tea baggers of Canada. Next will be the TSA in the schools, preparing your kids for a lifetime of unlawful fondling.
Who calls in threat on the last couple of days of school anyways? We think it could be one of them people who fails at math and would rather be at home with the scared sheep.

/Seriously, there are some very disturbed tea baggers in Canada. Some are on FoxNews North(suntv news).
//At this moment the RCMP computer geek squad is looking at this thread for threats to um um um, , what threat is there in Canada, other than hitting a moose while you drive unsuspiciously at 60Mph?
 
2012-12-22 09:42:49 PM  

Methadone Girls: They shut down 4 of the 6 schools and found no evidence of any danger and 1 for a low risk incident.  Also fark you for making me read a Sun article.

Canada takes things seriously when it comes to threats and we stop and investigate.  Crazy notion eh?


Yeah we just shut that shiat right down. It's a great way for high school kids to take the morning off.

The real question is, did the cops find any evidence that these threats were backed up with anything real?
 
2012-12-22 09:42:57 PM  

DeusMeh: do you even need a gun to make a gun threat anymore?


Gun shaped pizza slices are also accepted Link
 
2012-12-22 09:43:51 PM  
headline should have read Canada just saved 156 children from being killed
 
2012-12-22 09:49:56 PM  

Life_is_a_carnivore: Alberta. Canada's Texas.


Not exactly, Alberta has won 6 Stanley Cups, Texas only has one.

/What was the question?
//Sweet Jesus I need the NHL back
 
2012-12-22 09:50:40 PM  
When I was in 3rd or 4th grade (so, '93-'95), we had a full on bomb threat. We all filed outside, waited while some police searched the building for about a half hour, and then went back inside and finished our day.

I honestly don't know if that's a good or stupid thing.
 
2012-12-22 09:54:24 PM  
It's almost as if Canadians know what had happened in our country.

GET OUT OF OUR HEADS!
 
2012-12-22 09:55:39 PM  
I have a gub.
 
2012-12-22 09:55:55 PM  

Renegade Pervert: Life_is_a_carnivore: Alberta. Canada's Texas.

Not exactly, Alberta has won 6 Stanley Cups, Texas only has one.

/What was the question?
//Sweet Jesus I need the NHL back


We have a hockey team??

/kidding
//the Stars' cup was probably still won by Canadians, eh?
 
2012-12-22 09:57:13 PM  
Great, now Obama is going to invade Canada and take their guns as well.
 
2012-12-22 09:58:14 PM  

Renegade Pervert: Life_is_a_carnivore: Alberta. Canada's Texas.

Not exactly, Alberta has won 6 Stanley Cups, Texas only has one.

/What was the question?
//Sweet Jesus I need the NHL back



I refuse to acknowledge the Dallas Cup win

/Sabres fan
 
2012-12-22 10:01:51 PM  

vpb: Well, you don't have as many of them either. If we shut down schools every time some tea bagger or gun nut threatened to start killing people they would be closed permanently.


You're a moron. The Tea Party is not a threat to anyone or anything except the liberal agenda. Which is why you're behaving as if they're some sort of group ready to shoot...

And just to demonstrate how completely stupid you are? Whom do you think wants to put armed guards or teachers at schools to protect kids... the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street? Think hard now.
 
2012-12-22 10:03:49 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: This silliness isn't going to stop until we have armed TSA officers in every public school, is it?


Good Lord NOT the TSA. Retired police, military or firefighters first. Have some sense!
 
2012-12-22 10:04:35 PM  

randomjsa: vpb: Well, you don't have as many of them either. If we shut down schools every time some tea bagger or gun nut threatened to start killing people they would be closed permanently.

You're a moron. The Tea Party is not a threat to anyone or anything except the liberal agenda. Which is why you're behaving as if they're some sort of group ready to shoot...

And just to demonstrate how completely stupid you are? Whom do you think wants to put armed guards or teachers at schools to protect kids... the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street? Think hard now.


I haven't been here terribly long, but I do recognize you when you post, and... Well, you seem to have gone really off the deep end after Obama won re-election. I don't recall you ever getting as nasty as you have been in threads lately.
 
2012-12-22 10:06:07 PM  
Does anyone remember a time when kids didn't shoot up their schools, people didn't feel the need to demand the police and government handle every aspect of everything, and we stood up to bullies who tried to rule us through fear?

What's more, we've stopped giving a shiat about each other, so the whack job who is clearly crazy who even tells someone that they're going to do something bad (and the Secret Service did a study of school shooters and the like, finding out that people knew well in advance something was going to happen and in most cases what was going to happen) just either gets ignored because people don't want to get involved, or the people are unwilling to ruin the person's life.

Lets face it. If we stopped being a nation that ignored each other and started actually giving a shiat, how much of this crap would stop?

It doesn't take a gun to stop some of the violence and misbehavior, just people paying attention and willing to actually DO something to intervene.

As a rugged individualist, I like the fact that around here I have neighbors I know, trust, talk to, and whom I know would help out if need be. Sure they're nosey and anything you do is All over the neighborhood five minutes after it happens. But when the local white trash kid of someone started dealing, we had him busted and out within a day of his starting that shiat.

Guess what I'm trying to say is that if we each actually cared for one another and did more to build community, the rate of this crap would go way down, too.
 
2012-12-22 10:07:09 PM  
The Obama fear campaign is almost complete.
By the end of 2013 he'll have UN officers kicking in doors and stealing guns from law abiding citizens!!
 
2012-12-22 10:07:57 PM  

randomjsa: vpb: Well, you don't have as many of them either. If we shut down schools every time some tea bagger or gun nut threatened to start killing people they would be closed permanently.

You're a moron. The Tea Party is not a threat to anyone or anything except the liberal agenda. Which is why you're behaving as if they're some sort of group ready to shoot...

And just to demonstrate how completely stupid you are? Whom do you think wants to put armed guards or teachers at schools to protect kids... the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street? Think hard now.


I'd say the Magnificent 7 or the Wild Bunch. Did I win the banana clips?!!!
 
2012-12-22 10:09:04 PM  

randomjsa: vpb: Well, you don't have as many of them either. If we shut down schools every time some tea bagger or gun nut threatened to start killing people they would be closed permanently.

You're a moron. The Tea Party is not a threat to anyone or anything except the liberal agenda. Which is why you're behaving as if they're some sort of group ready to shoot...

And just to demonstrate how completely stupid you are? Whom do you think wants to put armed guards or teachers at schools to protect kids... the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street? Think hard now.


What's amusing is that almost every kid at the school where my office is says they feel safer and like having the two police officers in the building, and would feel safer if they had people permanently there to patrol and keep an eye on things. Crazy, I know.
 
2012-12-22 10:09:29 PM  

drayno76: The Obama fear campaign is almost complete.
By the end of 2013 he'll have UN officers kicking in doors and stealing guns from law abiding citizens!!


And then he will use the Medicare extermination squads to execute them

/amidoinitrite?
 
2012-12-22 10:09:58 PM  

Mutt Farkinov: Renegade Pervert: Life_is_a_carnivore: Alberta. Canada's Texas.

Not exactly, Alberta has won 6 Stanley Cups, Texas only has one.

/What was the question?
//Sweet Jesus I need the NHL back

We have a hockey team??

/kidding
//the Stars' cup was probably still won by Canadians, eh?


Take it, I still celebrate the Blue Jays World Series wins even though they were stacked with Americans.

One of the sports stations up here is playing the 92 world series on Christmas day. I might ditch my family obligations.

I'm a sad sad man.

Life_is_a_carnivore: Renegade Pervert: Life_is_a_carnivore: Alberta. Canada's Texas.

Not exactly, Alberta has won 6 Stanley Cups, Texas only has one.

/What was the question?
//Sweet Jesus I need the NHL back


I refuse to acknowledge the Dallas Cup win

/Sabres fan


Eh... sorry for opening up old wounds... Thanks to Hasek I cringe at the word "adductor" now.

/Sens fan.
 
2012-12-22 10:12:11 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: vpb: Methadone Girls: They shut down 4 of the 6 schools and found no evidence of any danger and 1 for a low risk incident.  Also fark you for making me read a Sun article.

Canada takes things seriously when it comes to threats and we stop and investigate.  Crazy notion eh?

Well, you don't have as many of them either.  If we shut down schools every time some OWS person to start killing people they would be closed permanently.

ftfy.


Yep, fixed it right good, you did.
 
2012-12-22 10:14:02 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: This silliness isn't going to stop until we have armed TSA officers in every public school, is it?


Nobody seems to address the real problem with this solution. Namely that there is nothing preventing the same mentally ill people who are committing these mass murders now from becoming one of those people who is hired to carry guns in the school. The same processes by which the mentally ill are supposed to be screened out of getting jobs in schools and screened out of beign able to obtain guns are the very same processes which will be in place if this idea is implemented.

Unless we first address the issue of mental illness and the treatment of the mentally ill in this country, it won't matter what laws are enacted, mass murders will continue at the same (or at a greater) rate at which they now occur.
 
2012-12-22 10:14:33 PM  
As for the ad at the top, "Tell Congress: Support the 2nd Amendment Sign Petition" really, Drew?
 
2012-12-22 10:15:18 PM  

Kit Fister: randomjsa: vpb: Well, you don't have as many of them either. If we shut down schools every time some tea bagger or gun nut threatened to start killing people they would be closed permanently.

You're a moron. The Tea Party is not a threat to anyone or anything except the liberal agenda. Which is why you're behaving as if they're some sort of group ready to shoot...

And just to demonstrate how completely stupid you are? Whom do you think wants to put armed guards or teachers at schools to protect kids... the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street? Think hard now.

What's amusing is that almost every kid at the school where my office is says they feel safer and like having the two police officers in the building, and would feel safer if they had people permanently there to patrol and keep an eye on things. Crazy, I know.


Ideally, there really needs to be a three-pronged attack: security in schools, tightening of gun restrictions in general, and vast improvement on the availability of mental health care.
 
2012-12-22 10:15:36 PM  
I refuse to acknowledge the Dallas Cup win

/Sabres fan


Eh... sorry for opening up old wounds... Thanks to Hasek I cringe at the word "adductor" now.


/Sens fan.



I'm used to it. Die hard Sabres fan 32 years now.
I WILL stomp on Brett Hull's foot if I ever meet him though
 
2012-12-22 10:19:10 PM  
We Canadians watch way too much American media.
 
2012-12-22 10:21:22 PM  

Mutt Farkinov: Renegade Pervert: Life_is_a_carnivore: Alberta. Canada's Texas.

Not exactly, Alberta has won 6 Stanley Cups, Texas only has one.

/What was the question?
//Sweet Jesus I need the NHL back

We have a hockey team??

/kidding
//the Stars' cup was probably still won by Canadians, eh?


Canadians make up a little more than 50% of the NHL players, another 25% are Americans, and the rest are from around the world. So, yeah, pretty much. :)
 
2012-12-22 10:24:11 PM  

randomjsa: The Tea Party is not a threat to anyone or anything except the liberal agenda.


What, pray tell, is the "liberal agenda"? And why is the Tea Party a threat to it?

/honestly don't know
//Canadian
 
2012-12-22 10:29:06 PM  

Kit Fister: Does anyone remember a time when kids didn't shoot up their schools, people didn't feel the need to demand the police and government handle every aspect of everything, and we stood up to bullies who tried to rule us through fear?


Heck, when I was a kid, we all carried M60's, and we used grenades instead of those namby-pamby spitballs. Today's kids are coddled.

img39.imageshack.us

/too soon?
 
2012-12-22 10:35:30 PM  

Life_is_a_carnivore: I refuse to acknowledge the Dallas Cup win

/Sabres fan

Eh... sorry for opening up old wounds... Thanks to Hasek I cringe at the word "adductor" now.


/Sens fan.


I'm used to it. Die hard Sabres fan 32 years now.
I WILL stomp on Brett Hull's foot if I ever meet him though


I don't blame you, he's a douche.

Hey, while we have a great rivalry I always got a kick out of this from the ECF in 07, enjoy:

Instigator
 
2012-12-22 10:35:51 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: This silliness isn't going to stop until we have armed TSA officers in every public school, is it?


Single access point, metal detector and an armed guard when the school is first opened. Limited access after that- single entry point only.

Doesn't prevent sniper- style attacks. Or attacks on other public places.

There are no economic/practical approaches to prevention. As long as the crazies are given access to weaponry, these incidents will continue.
 
2012-12-22 10:41:03 PM  
*sigh*

Of course it's Alberta.
 
2012-12-22 10:43:15 PM  

Methadone Girls: They shut down 4 of the 6 schools and found no evidence of any danger and 1 for a low risk incident.  Also fark you for making me read a Sun article.

Canada takes things seriously when it comes to threats and we stop and investigate.  Crazy notion eh?


They shut down two high schools in Helena over threats. There are only two high schools in Helena.

The United States CLEARLY takes threats more seriously than you hosers...
 
2012-12-22 10:45:59 PM  
Of course there were CANADIAN schools. If they were Americans schools they would be shut down for actual shootings, not just for silly threats.
 
2012-12-22 10:46:08 PM  

apoptotic: *sigh*

Of course it's Alberta.


It always is.
 
2012-12-22 10:46:17 PM  

Kit Fister: Does anyone remember a time when kids didn't shoot up their schools, people didn't feel the need to demand the police and government handle every aspect of everything, and we stood up to bullies who tried to rule us through fear?


Since school shooting at about a dozen a year go back to the 1900's, I'm going to say you are hard pressed to find anyone who remembers when kids "didn't shoot up their schools".

Link
 
2012-12-22 10:48:08 PM  

Wayne 985: Kit Fister: randomjsa: vpb: Well, you don't have as many of them either. If we shut down schools every time some tea bagger or gun nut threatened to start killing people they would be closed permanently.

You're a moron. The Tea Party is not a threat to anyone or anything except the liberal agenda. Which is why you're behaving as if they're some sort of group ready to shoot...

And just to demonstrate how completely stupid you are? Whom do you think wants to put armed guards or teachers at schools to protect kids... the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street? Think hard now.

What's amusing is that almost every kid at the school where my office is says they feel safer and like having the two police officers in the building, and would feel safer if they had people permanently there to patrol and keep an eye on things. Crazy, I know.

Ideally, there really needs to be a three-pronged attack: security in schools, tightening of gun restrictions in general, and vast improvement on the availability of mental health care.


I don't think restrictions will work, because the type of guns people want to restrict are used in only a handful of crimes. Improving the NICS system and putting in place processes that control storage and requirements to obtain to a reasonable level (in line with getting a driver's license), might make more of a difference, but shootings happen even in places with strict gun control. Unless or until we fix the mental health problem and we find ways of being more successful at identifying and treating people with illnesses, as well as collectively take responsibility to intervene when the signs of trouble first come up and not ignore them, we won't get very far.

Guns or not, too, we as a species tend to be violent towards each other, and no nation yet has solved the problem of preventing people from exercising violent tendencies. Realistically there are a whole host of things that we could do that would help address the root of the problem, but we'll never eliminate it.
 
2012-12-22 10:48:15 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: This silliness isn't going to stop until we have armed TSA officers in every public school, is it?


Given TSA job proficiency they should be a good match with public school teachers.

Think of it as a jobs programs. Not real jobs but they won't count against the unemployment numbers and being unionized they will vote "the right way".
 
2012-12-22 10:48:41 PM  

mediablitz: Kit Fister: Does anyone remember a time when kids didn't shoot up their schools, people didn't feel the need to demand the police and government handle every aspect of everything, and we stood up to bullies who tried to rule us through fear?

Since school shooting at about a dozen a year go back to the 1900's, I'm going to say you are hard pressed to find anyone who remembers when kids "didn't shoot up their schools".

Link


Thereby proving semi-automatic assault rifles are completely harmless.
 
2012-12-22 10:53:49 PM  
There was some vague threat made to a specific day when I was a junior in High School. They brought in some bomb sniffing dogs to check the place out that day and found nothing. A chunk of students stayed home but I'm sure they were looking for any reason to get out of going to class.

//was a pretty sweet day on campus
 
2012-12-22 10:55:37 PM  
butte high has been closed due to a pun threat.
 
2012-12-22 11:01:24 PM  

clowncar on fire: Man On Pink Corner: This silliness isn't going to stop until we have armed TSA officers in every public school, is it?

Single access point, metal detector and an armed guard when the school is first opened. Limited access after that- single entry point only.

Doesn't prevent sniper- style attacks. Or attacks on other public places.

There are no economic/practical approaches to prevention. As long as the crazies are given access to weaponry, these incidents will continue.


The flaw in that logic is that, as proven in other nations, you take away guns, people use knives or clubs or other weapons.

Just changing the tool doesn't change the behavior, and it's extremely stupid to ignore the behavior and simply take away the tool.

We could recognize that people become addicted to gambling and ban casinos. However, how does that stop people addicted to gambling from finding other ways to act on it.

Even better, people like recreational drug use, for whatever reason. Control and bans on drugs and the materials used to make drugs hasn't made a dent in use, it's simply opened up black markets for people to indulge, and forced people to find new drugs/sources.

So, you don't stop violence from happening just by banning guns, and what will you do then? Follow britain's lead and keep banning things in the name of protecting society?

As Thonas Jefferson once said, "I prefer dangerous liberty to safe tyranny."

I much prefer living in a world where I face risks but do not require others to protect me and dictate what is and is not acceptable. I am afraid I will never accept a world where I have traded my freedom to own, do, and go what and where I please for the illusion of safety.

Thankfully for the people who wish to live in a society where they can exert their world view on others, there are places like that.

So, get back to me when you're ready to face the harder task of stopping humanity's violent nature and how to stop the mentally ill in a way that doesn't treat me like a criminal or suspect for being a law abiding citizen with different tastes and hobbies and beliefs than you.
 
2012-12-22 11:02:34 PM  

WhippingBoy: mediablitz: Kit Fister: Does anyone remember a time when kids didn't shoot up their schools, people didn't feel the need to demand the police and government handle every aspect of everything, and we stood up to bullies who tried to rule us through fear?

Since school shooting at about a dozen a year go back to the 1900's, I'm going to say you are hard pressed to find anyone who remembers when kids "didn't shoot up their schools".

Link

Thereby proving semi-automatic assault rifles are completely harmless.


Of thereby proving humanity has always hand and continues to have its share of whack jobs that inflict suffering on others.
 
2012-12-22 11:07:45 PM  
Who needs guns?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
 
2012-12-22 11:10:29 PM  

DeusMeh: do you even need a gun to make a gun threat anymore?


No.
 
2012-12-22 11:16:08 PM  
haha, everyone knows canadia doesn't have guns.
 
2012-12-22 11:17:39 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: haha, everyone knows canadia doesn't have guns.


Oh, we have lots of guns, actually.
 
2012-12-22 11:22:14 PM  

Ishkur: randomjsa: The Tea Party is not a threat to anyone or anything except the liberal agenda.

What, pray tell, is the "liberal agenda"? And why is the Tea Party a threat to it?

/honestly don't know
//Canadian


The "liberal agenda" is the insidious plot to institute universal healthcare, a social safety net, equality for everyone and a progressive tax structure. It is literally worse than Hitler.
 
2012-12-22 11:23:31 PM  

BronyMedic: Methadone Girls: They shut down 4 of the 6 schools and found no evidence of any danger and 1 for a low risk incident.  Also fark you for making me read a Sun article.

Canada takes things seriously when it comes to threats and we stop and investigate.  Crazy notion eh?

Well, were the people who called it in atleast very polite? I hear you can take them seriously depending on if they say Please, Sir/Ma'am, Thank you, and Aboot a lot.

Also if they talk about mounties or moose.


I'm thinking they sounded like Bob and Doug McKensie: "Hey you hosers, shut down, eh?" Yeah, we got guns, eh?" And grenades too!" "We do not you hoser, just take off, eh?" "No, you take off."
 
2012-12-22 11:24:47 PM  

ordinarysteve: Ishkur: randomjsa: The Tea Party is not a threat to anyone or anything except the liberal agenda.

What, pray tell, is the "liberal agenda"? And why is the Tea Party a threat to it?

/honestly don't know
//Canadian

The "liberal agenda" is the insidious plot to institute universal healthcare, a social safety net, equality for everyone and a progressive tax structure. It is literally worse than Hitler.


I can see why you need all your guns. You must not let this horrible thing occur.
 
2012-12-22 11:30:01 PM  
images4.mtv.com

At the hundredth meridian.
 
2012-12-22 11:31:44 PM  

Kit Fister: Does anyone remember a time when kids didn't shoot up their schools, people didn't feel the need to demand the police and government handle every aspect of everything, and we stood up to bullies who tried to rule us through fear?
.


Actually people have been shooting up schools in this country for centuries for various reasons. The sad fact is there is no cure for this type of violence. We could be kinder to one another and we could offer greater access to mental health care. The violence won't go away completely though
 
2012-12-22 11:40:56 PM  

Kit Fister: The flaw in that logic is that, as proven in other nations, you take away guns, people use knives or clubs or other weapons.


Yeah, I've seen those headlines from the UK and Japan.

"26 kids clubbed to death at elementary school"
 
2012-12-22 11:42:47 PM  
This shiat is scary. In my school days the most we had to hope for was a prank fire alarm pull.

/onions
// lawn safety.
 
2012-12-22 11:54:30 PM  
Just discovered this tv series called 'Flashpoint' less than a month ago. If phoning in a fake school shooting meant that I got to be felt up and arrested by Amy Jo Johnson, I'd do it weekly.
 
2012-12-23 12:04:48 AM  
Mounties said they arrested a 17-year-old male student in Ponoka, about 200 km north of Calgary, after he allegedly uttered threats and was found in possession of firearms. Police said ammunition, a .22 calibre and a high-powered rifle were found at the house where the teen lives.

Well in his defense if you search any random house north of Calgary you'll find the same thing, those elk aren't going to shoot themselves ya know..
 
2012-12-23 12:08:18 AM  

sparkeyjames: This shiat is scary. In my school days the most we had to hope for was a prank fire alarm pull.

/onions
// lawn safety.


One day in 1991 my small town Alberta high school went into full lockdown, with roadblocks, RCMP onsite and a Fish & Wildlife officer set up as a sniper on the hill overlooking the school, because the administration heard that one of my classmates had gotten into an argument with some kids at a rival school. Of course, the administration heard from the principal's wife's hairdresser's brother's girlfriend that a group of kids from the other school were on their way over to shoot up the school and challenge our football team to a brawl, so they thought it was pretty serious.

My classmate was mortified and for months we'd tease him whenever he got mouthy by saying before he went any farther we'd need to call Stan (the F&W officer) to see if he was available.

Hence my lack of surprise, facepalm, and earlier comment that "of course it's Alberta".
 
2012-12-23 12:23:59 AM  

apoptotic: Hence my lack of surprise, facepalm, and earlier comment that "of course it's Alberta".


And yet they send the RCMP to check out a disturbance at a farm and 4 of them get shot.
 
2012-12-23 12:47:12 AM  

Kit Fister: The flaw in that logic is that, as proven in other nations, you take away guns, people use knives or clubs or other weapons.


While this may be true, at the same time it is a lot harder to kill 20+ people with a knife or club than it is with an AR-15.

Getting rid of semiautomatic rifles or even large magazines will turn a lot of double digit mass shootings into single digit mass shootings.
 
2012-12-23 12:58:59 AM  

priapus54: Who needs guns?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster


Thank God bombs and bomb making materials aren't as legally available as guns. We'd be seeing more of that.
 
2012-12-23 12:59:59 AM  

vpb: Methadone Girls: They shut down 4 of the 6 schools and found no evidence of any danger and 1 for a low risk incident.  Also fark you for making me read a Sun article.

Canada takes things seriously when it comes to threats and we stop and investigate.  Crazy notion eh?

Well, you don't have as many of them either.  If we shut down schools every time some tea bagger or gun nut threatened to start killing people they would be closed permanently.


Weird you say teabagger or gun nut as the last few mass murders with guns have not been even close to either of those.....
 
2012-12-23 01:07:06 AM  

KimNorth: Weird you say teabagger or gun nut as the last few mass murders with guns have not been even close to either of those.....


The Tea Baggers and gun nuts just show up at rallies with signs THREATENING to shoot people.

Cuz, you know, violence is ALWAYS the answer...
 
2012-12-23 01:08:44 AM  

Kit Fister: The flaw in that logic is that, as proven in other nations, you take away guns, people use knives or clubs or other weapons.


Other than not being proven, and not happening at NEAR the regularity that it happens here, and not NEAR the casualties, sure.

You stick with that line of bullshiat...
 
2012-12-23 01:12:23 AM  
24.media.tumblr.com

mediamatters.org

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pubrecord.org

Just looking for peaceful conversation...
 
2012-12-23 01:14:37 AM  

mediablitz: KimNorth: Weird you say teabagger or gun nut as the last few mass murders with guns have not been even close to either of those.....

The Tea Baggers and gun nuts just show up at rallies with signs THREATENING to shoot people.

Cuz, you know, violence is ALWAYS the answer...


Wow, in "your" world perception must get in the way of reality.
 
2012-12-23 01:17:02 AM  
Are you a fat, white, tiny dicked Tea Partier?

Carry a gun! Maybe no one will notice!!!

www.bradynetwork.org
 
2012-12-23 01:18:55 AM  

KimNorth: mediablitz: KimNorth: Weird you say teabagger or gun nut as the last few mass murders with guns have not been even close to either of those.....

The Tea Baggers and gun nuts just show up at rallies with signs THREATENING to shoot people.

Cuz, you know, violence is ALWAYS the answer...

Wow, in "your" world perception must get in the way of reality.


Riiiggghhhhttt. Cuz there has NEVER been a Tea Party rally with "we came unarmed, THIS TIME" banners.

It's all a figment of my imagination. No call for armed revolt on right wing sites. No right wingers shooting up museums. No right wingers killing cops.

Yeah, I'M the one struggling with reality, not you. I'd laugh, if it weren't so pathetic.
 
2012-12-23 01:22:06 AM  

sparkeyjames: This shiat is scary. In my school days the most we had to hope for was a prank fire alarm pull.

/onions
// lawn safety.


We got both tsunami AND earthquake evacuations, pretty much every year K thru 12.

/ Pacific Ring of Fire, man.
// nobody gave a fark about fire drills - so what, the school burns down, that's nothing to the town being swept away or swallowed by the Earf.
 
2012-12-23 01:35:33 AM  
It was around grade 4 (honestly), that I realized just how stable and safe (from 'environmental' factors and limited demographic understanding). Alberta is a 'safe' place in the general sense.

/annoyed that 10#sDerp had to spoil a local thread ripe with possibility
 
2012-12-23 01:37:02 AM  
I forgot to add...
...at the cost of living in a barren, frozen land half the year.
(But the summers are hard to beat.)
 
2012-12-23 02:04:23 AM  

WhippingBoy: apoptotic: *sigh*

Of course it's Alberta.

It always is.


... and I bet every stupid kid that made the fake threat was brought here by their parents who came looking for work in our oilpatch from farking Ontario. You're welcome, rest of Canada, yes, the only reason our country survived the economic crisis was the revenues from Alberta oil, gas, and oilsands, but you go ahead and act like those dbag ingrates from Quebec and keep biting the hand that feeds.
 
2012-12-23 02:17:32 AM  
Alberta can eat my ass.
 
2012-12-23 02:18:58 AM  

DeusMeh: do you even need a gun to make a gun threat anymore?


You never needed a bomb to make a bomb threat...and that was much more common back in the day.

/of course in my day we simply pulled a fire alarm
 
2012-12-23 02:32:31 AM  
Saskatchewan had one a day earlier... Regina Leader-Post link

fyi
 
2012-12-23 03:44:35 AM  

Methadone Girls: They shut down 4 of the 6 schools and found no evidence of any danger and 1 for a low risk incident.  Also fark you for making me read a Sun article.

Canada takes things seriously when it comes to threats and we stop and investigate.  Crazy notion eh?


...that's the problem with bomb threats. In how many of the mass school killings did the murderers call in a threat?
 
2012-12-23 03:50:18 AM  

priapus54: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster


"A guy blew up a school with a bomb back in 1927, therefore we should do absolutely nothing about gun-assisted mass killings in 2012."
 
2012-12-23 04:02:43 AM  
Balchinian:

Maybe the answer is to bring back nuns.


It's time to talk about reasonable, common-sense nun control measures.
 
2012-12-23 04:18:18 AM  
The person taking the call should have laughed it off. Canada has strong gun laws and that means things like school shootings don't happen here.
 
2012-12-23 04:19:41 AM  

WhippingBoy: Thereby proving semi-automatic assault rifles are completely harmless.


1/10
 
2012-12-23 05:08:47 AM  

Balchinian: When I was in 7th grade an 11th grader was found with a handgun and told to take it home and be back in time for his next class or else. It was Catholic school in the early 60's, so he did as he was told and was back in plenty of time.

Maybe the answer is to bring back nuns.

*shudders*

Never mind.


YES! SO MUCH THIS!!

give every teacher a nun and then you have the good guys with nuns shooting the bad guys with nuns...

or...

wait a sec...
 
2012-12-23 05:49:16 AM  

flucto: Methadone Girls: Canada takes things seriously when it comes to threats and we stop and investigate. Crazy notion eh?

When I was a kid we would have NEVER had school if that's all it took to shut it down. Of course that was before telephones so we would have had to mail in the threats.


Way back in 1968 there was a comb threat in my HS. Of course this was when the phone company had switches with electromagnetic step-by-step so no caller ID. Phone calls were truly anonymous then.
 
2012-12-23 05:51:16 AM  
Sorry BOMB threat, not comb threat. (Gimme a head with hair - long beautiful hair.)
 
2012-12-23 05:57:30 AM  
If they would have declared these gun free zones this would never have happened. Free speech free zones also seem to work well.
 
2012-12-23 06:04:40 AM  
ounapuu.ee

Proceeding as planed.
 
2012-12-23 07:02:02 AM  

hasty ambush: Man On Pink Corner: This silliness isn't going to stop until we have armed TSA officers in every public school, is it?

Given TSA job proficiency they should be a good match with public school teachers.

Think of it as a jobs programs. Not real jobs but they won't count against the unemployment numbers and being unionized they will vote "the right way".


fark off. There are plenty of fantastic public school teachers.
 
2012-12-23 08:04:49 AM  
I'm all for the NRA proposal.

One of three things will happen:

1. The NRA men will in fact keep the schools safe at no cost to me. I find this to be highly unlikely.
2. The NRA men will unfortunately not be able to prevent such a tragedy, thus discrediting them and leading calls for sensible reform.
3. Some NRA man will himself cause a tragedy, either by accident, insanity, or design. While of course nobody wants this tragedy, given the thousands dying each year from senseless gun violence, this could also be the sort of thing to finally totally discredit the NRA and their wackadoo notions and in aggregate save thousands who would have otherwise died.
 
2012-12-23 08:09:23 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: thus discrediting them and leading calls for sensible reform.


When was the last time in your country that the reactionary GOP types _didn't_ double down on the derp? Similarly, when was the last time your country has experienced sensible reform of anything? Optimism is nice and all, but I wouldn't hold my breath on any of that.
 
2012-12-23 08:11:54 AM  
Man, you make a few typos and you get reviled. So aside from the fact that humans have used whatever tools are at hand to inflict pain and death on each other, I guess I'm just wrong. Get rid of guns and THIS TIME, deaths will stop.

Talk about moronic ideas. Yes, let's worry about the hypothetical body count and not what causes these assholes to go apeshiat in the first place. And for those who think bombs are harder to get than guns, I would point out that:

1) spree killers don't just randomly plan to shoot up a church, mall, theater, or school. They plan this shiat. So if they can't get guns ( which our latest snowflake couldn't legally so he had to kill someone else and take them illegally), a little googling and home chemistry later they have plans for bombs, ways to make gasses for gas attacks etc.

2) explosive materials are fairly easy to get, with only certain materials strictly controlled.
 
2012-12-23 08:17:48 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: I'm all for the NRA proposal.

One of three things will happen:

1. The NRA men will in fact keep the schools safe at no cost to me. I find this to be highly unlikely.
2. The NRA men will unfortunately not be able to prevent such a tragedy, thus discrediting them and leading calls for sensible reform.
3. Some NRA man will himself cause a tragedy, either by accident, insanity, or design. While of course nobody wants this tragedy, given the thousands dying each year from senseless gun violence, this could also be the sort of thing to finally totally discredit the NRA and their wackadoo notions and in aggregate save thousands who would have otherwise died.


Yes because the NRA is the problem, and totally responsible for the actions of whackos and criminals. I get it now. Crooks would be otherwise civilized and disinclined to commit crimes if only the NRA went away.

What an utterly retarded way of thinking.

Also if you want to save lives, why are we not reinstating bans on booze? Legalizing drugs and eliminating the black market trade for drugs that funds the cartels and their criminal enterprises? Improving car safety? Getting suicidal people help?

Wake me up when you actually give a shiat about that and not just ZOMGGUNS!!
 
2012-12-23 08:55:19 AM  

flucto: Methadone Girls: Canada takes things seriously when it comes to threats and we stop and investigate. Crazy notion eh?

When I was a kid we would have NEVER had school if that's all it took to shut it down. Of course that was before telephones so we would have had to mail in the threats.


So, what was it like before the glaciers receded?
 
2012-12-23 09:01:19 AM  

Wayne 985: Kit Fister: randomjsa: vpb: Well, you don't have as many of them either. If we shut down schools every time some tea bagger or gun nut threatened to start killing people they would be closed permanently.

You're a moron. The Tea Party is not a threat to anyone or anything except the liberal agenda. Which is why you're behaving as if they're some sort of group ready to shoot...

And just to demonstrate how completely stupid you are? Whom do you think wants to put armed guards or teachers at schools to protect kids... the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street? Think hard now.

What's amusing is that almost every kid at the school where my office is says they feel safer and like having the two police officers in the building, and would feel safer if they had people permanently there to patrol and keep an eye on things. Crazy, I know.

Ideally, there really needs to be a three-pronged attack: security in schools, tightening of gun restrictions in general, and vast improvement on the availability of mental health care.


Name one restriction being offered up that would grace stopped this. The weapon used was legal under the 4th most restricted state and legal under the Brady bill. Every solution offered up so far, aside from clip size which really only stops a 10s reload, has no affect on this case. The mother bought all guns legally. The son stole them. No solution would have changed the situation. But the irrational left knows simply another law is the solution by god.
 
2012-12-23 09:05:29 AM  

whatshisname: Kit Fister: The flaw in that logic is that, as proven in other nations, you take away guns, people use knives or clubs or other weapons.

Yeah, I've seen those headlines from the UK and Japan.

"26 kids clubbed to death at elementary school"


More kids die each year from drowning. Where is your emotional and irrational plea to ban pools?
 
2012-12-23 09:07:48 AM  

MyRandomName: Wayne 985: Kit Fister: randomjsa: vpb: Well, you don't have as many of them either. If we shut down schools every time some tea bagger or gun nut threatened to start killing people they would be closed permanently.

You're a moron. The Tea Party is not a threat to anyone or anything except the liberal agenda. Which is why you're behaving as if they're some sort of group ready to shoot...

And just to demonstrate how completely stupid you are? Whom do you think wants to put armed guards or teachers at schools to protect kids... the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street? Think hard now.

What's amusing is that almost every kid at the school where my office is says they feel safer and like having the two police officers in the building, and would feel safer if they had people permanently there to patrol and keep an eye on things. Crazy, I know.

Ideally, there really needs to be a three-pronged attack: security in schools, tightening of gun restrictions in general, and vast improvement on the availability of mental health care.

Name one restriction being offered up that would grace stopped this. The weapon used was legal under the 4th most restricted state and legal under the Brady bill. Every solution offered up so far, aside from clip size which really only stops a 10s reload, has no affect on this case. The mother bought all guns legally. The son stole them. No solution would have changed the situation. But the irrational left knows simply another law is the solution by god.


The more I look at it and get over the knee jerk, I've renewed my NTA, CCRKBA, and SAF memberships
 
2012-12-23 09:34:20 AM  

MyRandomName: whatshisname: Kit Fister: The flaw in that logic is that, as proven in other nations, you take away guns, people use knives or clubs or other weapons.

Yeah, I've seen those headlines from the UK and Japan.

"26 kids clubbed to death at elementary school"

More kids die each year from drowning. Where is your emotional and irrational plea to ban pools?


Liberals are irrational.
 
2012-12-23 09:41:22 AM  

ordinarysteve: The "liberal agenda" is the insidious plot to institute universal healthcare, a social safety net, equality for everyone and a progressive tax structure. It is literally worse than Hitler.


Translation: More government taking even more money out of my paycheck to give to people who have become entirely dependent on said government and paycheck.
 
2012-12-23 09:52:49 AM  

Ishkur: Getting rid of semiautomatic rifles or even large magazines will turn a lot of double digit mass shootings into single digit mass shootings.



Seung-Hui Cho used standard capacity magazines for his Walther P22 (10 rounds) and Glock 19 (15 rounds) and caused more loss of life than in any mass shooting in the United States.

He brought 19 magazines with him and changed them out as needed. Smaller magazine sizes didn't impede him at all. He only turned his gun on himself when it became clear that police had arrived and he was about to encounter good guys with their own guns.

James Holmes, who used a 100 round drum magazine for his AR-15 was forced to switch to his shotgun when the AR-15 jammed and he actually damaged the rifle attempting to clear the jam. He surrendered immediately as soon as he encountered police.

The position that magazine size is in any way the most relevant factor in determining the number of casualties in a shooting is unsupported by facts.
 
2012-12-23 10:20:08 AM  

Ohlookabutterfly: WhippingBoy: apoptotic: *sigh*

Of course it's Alberta.

It always is.

... and I bet every stupid kid that made the fake threat was brought here by their parents who came looking for work in our oilpatch from farking Ontario. You're welcome, rest of Canada, yes, the only reason our country survived the economic crisis was the revenues from Alberta oil, gas, and oilsands, but you go ahead and act like those dbag ingrates from Quebec and keep biting the hand that feeds.


Oh simmer down. I was born and raised here and I can assure you we've got plenty of homegrown stupid.
 
2012-12-23 10:26:30 AM  

Nemo's Brother: MyRandomName: whatshisname: Kit Fister: The flaw in that logic is that, as proven in other nations, you take away guns, people use knives or clubs or other weapons.

Yeah, I've seen those headlines from the UK and Japan.

"26 kids clubbed to death at elementary school"

More kids die each year from drowning. Where is your emotional and irrational plea to ban pools?

Liberals are irrational.


To be fair, a dude in china stabbed 22 children in a school. But that doesn't count because he didn't kill them.
 
2012-12-23 10:35:47 AM  
The kids just wanted to start the holiday with a BANG. Yeah, I'm a terrible person.
 
2012-12-23 11:30:23 AM  
Just think of all the gun nuts slowly stroking their tiny, semi-flaccid penises, desperately hoping that there's a mass shooting in some country with more stringent gun control laws so that they can go "Herp-derp!!! See? See? Gun control don't work!!!"
 
2012-12-23 11:46:16 AM  

WhippingBoy: Just think of all the gun nuts slowly stroking their tiny, semi-flaccid penises, desperately hoping that there's a mass shooting in some country with more stringent gun control laws so that they can go "Herp-derp!!! See? See? Gun control don't work!!!"


You mean like Scotland? Or France? Or Norway? Or Russia?

How is that any different than mass shootings in states like Connecticut and California where the gun laws are as strict as many european countries? How about the killings in Chicago where the laws are on par with the UK, with regards to guns?

How about that shooting in Toronto a year or two ago?

Or don't those count?
 
2012-12-23 11:48:52 AM  

apoptotic: Ohlookabutterfly: WhippingBoy: apoptotic: *sigh*

Of course it's Alberta.

It always is.

... and I bet every stupid kid that made the fake threat was brought here by their parents who came looking for work in our oilpatch from farking Ontario. You're welcome, rest of Canada, yes, the only reason our country survived the economic crisis was the revenues from Alberta oil, gas, and oilsands, but you go ahead and act like those dbag ingrates from Quebec and keep biting the hand that feeds.

Oh simmer down. I was born and raised here and I can assure you we've got plenty of homegrown stupid.


Or you could stand up for your neighbours maybe, but I understand, it really is difficult facing internet ridicule if your point of view is slightly different than the majority.

As for home grown stupid, that is undeniable and most of it is currently employed by the RCMP, lets all remember Mayerthorpe as previously mentioned.

The fact remains we are vilified for no proper reason. I remember working with this loud mouth from Cape Breton who would constantly run down AB, nothing here was as good as back home. The last straw was he said out loud in the coffee room that the milk here in AB wasn't as good here as back in old NS, at first I was like wtf, then I was stfu you ungrateful piece of shiat, go the fark back home if the grass is so much greener the cows milk tastes like it's straight from yer momma's teat!

I remember reading a story in the news about a company in New Brunswick bringing in some union tradesmen from Alberta for a job and a bunch of local compensation cowboys gathered outside their hotel one evening to welcome them with open arms and songs of brotherhood. Just kidding, they hurled insults and vituperence in a most unwelcoming manner.

So yeah I get pissed, we have to put up with all the scum of Canada coming here, junkies and their drug dealers, pimps and whores, and all the idiots that got their driving habits in Toronto ripping up our streets and then have to listen to idiots run down my home when I try and show them tolerance.

/born in B.C., father moved us here in the 70's to find work in the oilpatch
//proud to call Alberta my home, is full of kind, friendly people and been feeding and sheltering my family since 1972
 
2012-12-23 11:55:21 AM  

WhippingBoy: Just think of all the gun nuts slowly stroking their tiny, semi-flaccid penises, desperately hoping that there's a mass shooting in some country with more stringent gun control laws so that they can go "Herp-derp!!! See? See? Gun control don't work!!!"


Also, Mexico has some of the most stringent gun laws, where private ownership is heavily restricted. Not only has that not stopped the cartels and gangs from getting weapons and using them to commit violent acts, it's openly flouted by the criminals, and the people in mexico are caught between cartels and gangs, the cops are corrupt, and it's basically the wild west. Except there the people can't protect themselves and have no other resource to lean on. It is more than moronic to assume that countries with different cultures and issues with regards to drugs and criminal activity are comparable to what happens here in the US.

You want to solve this problem? Address the human factor and the culture factor. Don't assume.

But then again, frankly, I'm glad we, as a nation, aren't like Europe and Canada.
 
2012-12-23 12:03:56 PM  

Wayne 985: When I was in 3rd or 4th grade (so, '93-'95), we had a full on bomb threat. We all filed outside, waited while some police searched the building for about a half hour, and then went back inside and finished our day.

I honestly don't know if that's a good or stupid thing.


I was in 6th grade (middle school here) at about that time. One day at about 11:30 PM some douche called in a bomb threat. So, the school evacuated the entire school to the baseball field about 200 yards from the school building. And they made us sit in the grass for the rest of the day (about 4 hours) while police searched the entire school. We didn't get lunch, recess, nada. We also had to leave our stuff inside so nobody had any food with them.
I think that's the best way to handle a bomb threat. If any student found out who did it it would have resulted in a beat down.
We never had another bomb threat.
 
2012-12-23 12:04:16 PM  

leevis: ordinarysteve: The "liberal agenda" is the insidious plot to institute universal healthcare, a social safety net, equality for everyone and a progressive tax structure. It is literally worse than Hitler.

Translation: More government taking even more money out of my paycheck to give to people who have become entirely dependent on said government and paycheck.


Well, I don't know if you're Canadian but we already have those things to some degree and our country is pretty awesome. So please, EAOD eh
 
2012-12-23 12:15:07 PM  

Kit Fister: WhippingBoy: Just think of all the gun nuts slowly stroking their tiny, semi-flaccid penises, desperately hoping that there's a mass shooting in some country with more stringent gun control laws so that they can go "Herp-derp!!! See? See? Gun control don't work!!!"

Also, Mexico has some of the most stringent gun laws, where private ownership is heavily restricted. Not only has that not stopped the cartels and gangs from getting weapons and using them to commit violent acts, it's openly flouted by the criminals, and the people in mexico are caught between cartels and gangs, the cops are corrupt, and it's basically the wild west. Except there the people can't protect themselves and have no other resource to lean on. It is more than moronic to assume that countries with different cultures and issues with regards to drugs and criminal activity are comparable to what happens here in the US.

You want to solve this problem? Address the human factor and the culture factor. Don't assume.

But then again, frankly, I'm glad we, as a nation, aren't like Europe and Canada.


All you have to do is tell an American that theirs is "the greatest nation on Earth" and they believe it, when by any statistical criteria the USA is the 14th or 7th or 53rd greatest depending on whether your looking at happiness, prosperity, longevity or literacy.
 
2012-12-23 12:25:53 PM  

whatshisname: Kit Fister: WhippingBoy: Just think of all the gun nuts slowly stroking their tiny, semi-flaccid penises, desperately hoping that there's a mass shooting in some country with more stringent gun control laws so that they can go "Herp-derp!!! See? See? Gun control don't work!!!"

Also, Mexico has some of the most stringent gun laws, where private ownership is heavily restricted. Not only has that not stopped the cartels and gangs from getting weapons and using them to commit violent acts, it's openly flouted by the criminals, and the people in mexico are caught between cartels and gangs, the cops are corrupt, and it's basically the wild west. Except there the people can't protect themselves and have no other resource to lean on. It is more than moronic to assume that countries with different cultures and issues with regards to drugs and criminal activity are comparable to what happens here in the US.

You want to solve this problem? Address the human factor and the culture factor. Don't assume.

But then again, frankly, I'm glad we, as a nation, aren't like Europe and Canada.

All you have to do is tell an American that theirs is "the greatest nation on Earth" and they believe it, when by any statistical criteria the USA is the 14th or 7th or 53rd greatest depending on whether your looking at happiness, prosperity, longevity or literacy.


We're not perfect, but we are what we are. I accept, embrace, and love what we are, for all of our faults. I will continue to accept and defend that, and won't accept becoming more european.
 
2012-12-23 12:48:20 PM  

Ohlookabutterfly: and I bet every stupid kid that made the fake threat was brought here by their parents who came looking for work in our oilpatch

/born in B.C., father moved us here in the 70's to find work in the oilpatch


*facepalm*

Geographic proximity is not an automatic free pass. I do stand up for my neighbours when their behaviour warrants it. I also call them out on doing stupid things when they do stupid things. For example, before your next vitriolic rant about how unfairly treated and tolerant you are, you might want to to take the link to your Twitter feed out of your profile.
 
2012-12-23 01:06:22 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: BronyMedic: tenpoundsofcheese: when was the last time a "tea bagger" threatened to start killing people?

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nice picture.
now can you answer the question?

or do wet your pants whenever you see a gun?  do you get scared at Civil War reenactments too?


I don't know of many OWS protests which came to wave around guns while strongly inferring that murdering innocent Americans to get their way was an acceptable solution to the political climate.

On the other hand, they did come unarmed this time.

www.skepticfriends.org

Or maybe not.

cdn.stripersonline.com

Rational, nonviolent and "responsible" gun owners, ladies and gentlemen. Listen to them, or else.
 
2012-12-23 01:18:51 PM  

BronyMedic: tenpoundsofcheese: BronyMedic: tenpoundsofcheese: when was the last time a "tea bagger" threatened to start killing people?

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nice picture.
now can you answer the question?

or do wet your pants whenever you see a gun?  do you get scared at Civil War reenactments too?

I don't know of many OWS protests which came to wave around guns while strongly inferring that murdering innocent Americans to get their way was an acceptable solution to the political climate.

On the other hand, they did come unarmed this time.

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Or maybe not.

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Rational, nonviolent and "responsible" gun owners, ladies and gentlemen. Listen to them, or else.


The weapons in those pictures are clearly unloaded, with their bolts open and empty chamber flags installed.

What you're telling me is that the mere presence of a gun -- one that is unloaded and made safe with obvious indicators that they are unloaded -- are a threat to you? Jesus H. Christ. That's like freaking out because you saw an empty hypodermic needle.
 
2012-12-23 05:45:40 PM  

Kit Fister: The weapons in those pictures are clearly unloaded, with their bolts open and empty chamber flags installed.

What you're telling me is that the mere presence of a gun -- one that is unloaded and made safe with obvious indicators that they are unloaded -- are a threat to you? Jesus H. Christ. That's like freaking out because you saw an empty hypodermic needle.


No, you're missing the point completely.  The presence of a gun has nothing to do with it.Put down the Pro- and Anti- gun crap that's plagued fark for the past few weeks, and use some Goddamned common sense, Kit.

No one's coming for your personal stockpile, and I'm sure not supporting anyone who does so.

It's the mentality of a person who believes that waving that gun in the face (or just shooting them) of those who disagree with them politically (We came unarmed this time!) as a viable solution to their perceived problems in the functional, constitution-upholding Government of the United States, and the mentality of someone who finds it perfectly okay to insinuate the advocacy of violence as a result.

Think about that for a moment. It's not the fact they own firearms. It's the fact they're willing to parade them around to back their political beliefs, and threaten their opponents with them.


I seem to remember you being all about responsible gun ownership, and their use for self-protection of their owner's families. What about that screams responsible or even rational, Kit?

The funny thing is, even with all the FUD about how the Tea Party was nice, and OWS was not, you never saw an OWS protester flaunt a firearm as a means to promote their ideals or problems with society.
 
2012-12-23 05:53:35 PM  

BronyMedic: It's the mentality of a person who believes that waving that gun in the face (or just shooting them) of those who disagree with them politically (We came unarmed this time!) as a viable solution to their perceived problems in the functional, constitution-upholding Government of the United States, and the mentality of someone who finds it perfectly okay to insinuate the advocacy of violence as a result.

Think about that for a moment. It's not the fact they own firearms. It's the fact they're willing to parade them around to back their political beliefs, and threaten their opponents with them.


Also, if push really comes to shove, those people will be surprised at how many guns their political opponents own.
 
2012-12-23 06:01:08 PM  

BronyMedic: Kit Fister: The weapons in those pictures are clearly unloaded, with their bolts open and empty chamber flags installed.

What you're telling me is that the mere presence of a gun -- one that is unloaded and made safe with obvious indicators that they are unloaded -- are a threat to you? Jesus H. Christ. That's like freaking out because you saw an empty hypodermic needle.

No, you're missing the point completely.  The presence of a gun has nothing to do with it.Put down the Pro- and Anti- gun crap that's plagued fark for the past few weeks, and use some Goddamned common sense, Kit.

No one's coming for your personal stockpile, and I'm sure not supporting anyone who does so.

It's the mentality of a person who believes that waving that gun in the face (or just shooting them) of those who disagree with them politically (We came unarmed this time!) as a viable solution to their perceived problems in the functional, constitution-upholding Government of the United States, and the mentality of someone who finds it perfectly okay to insinuate the advocacy of violence as a result.

Think about that for a moment. It's not the fact they own firearms. It's the fact they're willing to parade them around to back their political beliefs, and threaten their opponents with them.

I seem to remember you being all about responsible gun ownership, and their use for self-protection of their owner's families. What about that screams responsible or even rational, Kit?

The funny thing is, even with all the FUD about how the Tea Party was nice, and OWS was not, you never saw an OWS protester flaunt a firearm as a means to promote their ideals or problems with society.


There comes a point in time when the gravitas of events, the lip-service paid by government employees meant to represent the will of the people and not the will of the special interest, when certain actions are necessary.

Do I believe in waving a gun around? No. Do I believe that just because a bunch of guys made a point about being civil before resorting to revolution to MAKE their point, that somehow they're now being violent and outside of the scope of being prudent? No. I see in those photos gun owners who have not only peacibly assembled, but have taken the time to secure their firearms so as to render them safe, and nowhere do I see them openly advocating violence, or acting in a way that is irrational, or reprehensible.

You may disagree with their methods or their message. However in some ways, their message -- that taxing people to pay for more spending over cutting spending and lowering taxes -- is an honest one, and not altogether unconscionable. Do I agree with them? no. Do I think that showing up, armed, as a rally against governmental policies is necessarily prudent, given that the message being sent is garbled and received as "oh look, it's just another group of whackjobs with guns ranting about some damn thing."

As for being willing to use firearms, whether as a showpiece or not, to back their political beliefs, You'll not find me agreeing that it's a bad way to go about things. There are a fair few policies and rights that I will fight for, with force if necessary. There comes a point at which words fail. At that point, when you are no longer fairly represented, that more drastic action needs to be taken.

So, no, I don't see the Tea Party simply using a passive show of force to convey their message as any better or worse than OWS using open threats on the lives of Wall Street bankers, corporate employees, and government officials. We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
 
2012-12-23 06:02:58 PM  

Kit Fister: You may disagree with their methods or their message. However in some ways, their message -- that taxing people to pay for more spending over cutting spending and lowering taxes -- is an honest one, and not altogether unconscionable. Do I agree with them? no. Do I think that showing up, armed, as a rally against governmental policies is necessarily prudent, given that the message being sent is garbled and received as "oh look, it's just another group of whackjobs with guns ranting about some damn thing"? No.


FTFM
 
2012-12-23 06:47:35 PM  
Well then, Kit Fister, what do you suggest we do? Better mental health care and prison reform to rehabilitate and help prisoners is always dismissed because of monetary reasons, too much profit being made off of how it is now, or "Fark the retards and criminals". Regulating and better tracking of weapons is dismissed because of the Second Amendment and "They'll just mass-murder people with cars or bombs or cars or rabid dingoes, so why bother?", along with "GOVERNMENT OPPRESSION AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES!!". Mandatory police-level training in use and mentality of firearms? Regular check-ups on people with kids to ensure they're keeping the weapons where the kids can't get them?

Something NEEDS to be done, actually several somethings. This problem has a lot of roots and every root needs to be addressed. A fundamental shift in America's gun and violence culture, better mental health care, reformatting the prison system to actually rehabilitate and help prisoners, addressing the causes of crime like poverty, some regulation and better tracking of weapons, a greater effort in getting weapons away from criminals, mandatory police-level training in guns for all owners, and better education in firearm safety all sound like a good start to me.
 
2012-12-23 07:44:32 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Well then, Kit Fister, what do you suggest we do? Better mental health care and prison reform to rehabilitate and help prisoners is always dismissed because of monetary reasons, too much profit being made off of how it is now, or "Fark the retards and criminals". Regulating and better tracking of weapons is dismissed because of the Second Amendment and "They'll just mass-murder people with cars or bombs or cars or rabid dingoes, so why bother?", along with "GOVERNMENT OPPRESSION AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES!!". Mandatory police-level training in use and mentality of firearms? Regular check-ups on people with kids to ensure they're keeping the weapons where the kids can't get them?

Something NEEDS to be done, actually several somethings. This problem has a lot of roots and every root needs to be addressed. A fundamental shift in America's gun and violence culture, better mental health care, reformatting the prison system to actually rehabilitate and help prisoners, addressing the causes of crime like poverty, some regulation and better tracking of weapons, a greater effort in getting weapons away from criminals, mandatory police-level training in guns for all owners, and better education in firearm safety all sound like a good start to me.


Well, what do I suggest. First, a 5% tax on firearms and ammunition sales, with the revenues collected mandated to go to publicly available mental health care, including inpatient treatment, plus reforms of the laws involved in how we treat the mentally ill and reporting of same.

An obvious and oft' suggested, as well as badly needed, change is the improvement of the NICS system for better, more accurate screening at time of purchase. Include medical judgements and commitments, restraining orders, and all pertinent criminal details in the system. To make it fair, make the system open for review and make false information or mistakes challengeable in court to be vacated by court order.

Police-level training for all gun owners? Neither needed nor warranted. Increased training for those who carry concealed and intend to use their weapons in self defense is only prudent, to ensure that the person is well aware of any legal issues and how to properly react to certain situations. Police level training suggests specialization in offensive capabilities, which no person carrying concealed, even myself, would advocate, despite the fact that most advanced firearm handling and law enforcement training is available now for private individuals from both military veterans and police veterans.

Regulating and tracking firearms...A nice idea in theory. The problem with this is the elephant in the room: An already established and active trafficking system. Right now, importing through smuggling of weapons into the US is a fairly rare occurrence, compared to the willingness of some to break established laws and limitations to purchase firearms on behalf of a criminal, the acquisition of weapons through theft or bribery, etc. In theory, regulating firearms here would make guns harder to get. In practice, weapons would be no harder to get here than they have been, simply through different channels. Don't believe this could happen? A determined element can always find firearms, as proven by the IRA in Ireland and England despite restrictive gun laws, and in many other countries. Further, as proven in other nations, corrupt police officers and military personnel can and do make hefty profits by making items disappear out the back door. Again, it's a trivial matter.

However, I do agree in part with the idea of better regulation of firearms, insofar as establishing an easy and available method for sales not normally requiring a background check be made to now require the same, whether by requiring an FFL to process a transaction, or to conduct the transaction with a background check done in the form of a purchase permit issued by state or local law enforcement. Stiffer penalties on straw purchasers and license holders that violate the law would be equally welcome, making it a far more daunting thing to do.

I won't proselytize about so-called "Assault weapons" and so on, I think that subject's been beat to death.

I have also no compunctions with requiring basic safety training before purchasing your first firearm, requirements for safe storage, etc.

None of that would've helped Adam Lanzer, however, or the guy in Aurora, or Arizona, etc. etc. This kind of crap has been occurring for the past hundred years, all for different reasons, all over the globe. It is not, contrary to popular belief, an american-only phenomenon, historically.

What would have helped him, is the same thing that would have helped millions of Americans: ready access to mental health care. More stringent standards on how we handle people who show signs of violent behavior or being a threat to society. I propose in that regard, an upgrade to the ACA to include MDs be given basic training in understanding and identifying mental health issues, and perhaps include a provision giving them incentives to hire and keep mental health professionals on staff, to include a yearly mental health screening as part of your physical. I would also go so far as to include a provision requiring insurance companies to include coverage for mental health services and medications, as a lot of them right now do not cover this.

Mr. Lanzer, unfortunately, was failed by more than his own mind, however. If reports are true, his father provided money to cover the cost of medications and treatment, however his mother didn't allow it.

Thousands of other American families struggle with fear both for what their disturbed children might do and the stigma of mental illness and what it means in our society. That is a major hurdle.

The rest of my suggestions are merely ancillary:
- Legalize and regulate drugs, cutting off a large portion of violent crimes in relation to this criminal enterprise.
- Increase and improve awareness of and available resources for the prevention and treatment of suicidal individuals (It's a sad state of affairs that people become suicidal at all, but that very little awareness is given or resources made available to individuals, who often struggle with it because of the stigma attached to it or lack of available, affordable options for treatment. This alone would vastly reduce our number of firearms-related deaths.
- Create laws requiring, with stiff penalties, those who know or have reason to know about intended attacks on others or those who pose a danger to others be reported to police so that they may be detained and evaluated. The Secret Service conducted a study and discovered that in a vast majority of cases, people close to the perpetrator were aware of, or told, in advance of their intentions. Holding those people accountable for not stepping forward if they know of a potential threat is a necessity.
- Enacting social programs that improve the lives of those most susceptible to criminal activity. Give people alternatives to gangs and crime, and reduce the level of abject poverty many feel, and crime diminishes.
- Encourage community activism and self-policing. Would this have stopped any number of crimes? Probably. Encouraging and training people for better awareness and how to better handle situations, as well as to improve their situational awareness and ability to react to a crisis would help a LOT in many different scenarios.

It's easy to blame guns and gun owners for their misuse. It's easy to see them as tools of death and fear them or loath them and by connection those that see no issues with them. But it is unreasonable to believe that the 2nd Amendment and the availability of firearms alone is responsible for this, any more than it is reasonable to believe that a youtube video published freely and protected by the first amendment is responsible for the reaction and behavior, including the deaths of many people, a world away by religious fanatics.

The process by which we obtain and use firearms is far from perfect. As I stated, briefly, a major overhaul of the NICS system, required training in the proper use of firearms and perhaps increased training for those who carry for self defense, background checks for ALL purchasers, increased punishments for crimes such as straw purchases and providing firearms to criminals, and the criminalization of failure to report stolen firearms with stiff penalties involved are good advances. The increase in penalty for the use of firearms in the commission of a crime (and a push to actually PROSECUTE people for these crimes), the increased enforcement of laws on the books, increased scrutiny on dealers and creating a file for bulk purchases is also not untoward. Hell, if i'm buying lots of guns and ammo in a short period of time, someone should ask WHY, and I DO buy lots of ammo in fairly short periods of time given how much I shoot. Having a friendly ATF or FBI guy call and say "hey Kit, I noticed you bought 5,000 rounds of .45 ACP last night, what's up?" and checking up on people that do this isn't a bad thing either. I maintain pretty good relationships with my local ATF, FBI, and other law enforcement just in case anyway.

I don't think a license, unless it's shall issue and not done in such a way to restrict people, to purchase and own certain kinds of firearms, etc, is necessarily a bad thing, either.

All in all, I don't think bringing Firearms to a level equal with vehicles, with better federal and interagency reporting would hurt, although that doesn't stop fairly high rates of auto theft in the US.

Bottom line, though, after all of that (Stream of consciousness and all), is that there is no simple answer that is going to solve this. You might blunt the sword by changing and restricting and banning, but you're not going to stop the truly determined, or those who openly flout the law anyway. I don't have the answers. If you listen to people that actually do research on these topics (and I'm not talking about the biased organizations on both sides of the argument), the things they recommend don't even begin to look like the kind of action being screamed for in the media. Pity that we pay these people who actually look at these situations in depth, analyze and research and investigate and come up with solutions that would make a difference, and then blatantly ignore them because their findings don't mesh with the popular narrative.

Then again, if the same reaction were taken seriously on other topics, I would expect that my cellphone would have given me a brain tumor by now, wireless networks cause cancer and other problems, GM foods are killing me in a million different ways, fluoride is being used to poison us, Nuclear Power Plants are going to explode any minute, Yellowstone is about to blow in 26 minutes on its way to the gym, etc. Hype and hyperbole don't make for logical debate and discussion on either side, especially when both sides have pertinent data, both sides are both right and wrong, and neither side is willing to listen to the other and look at the data as a whole, with a willingness to shift and address the social and cultural ills.

Maybe if we went back to the way our founding fathers actually wanted this country to run (stay out of the affairs of other nations, not keeping a standing army, and expect the public at large to step up and provide for their own safety and security), maybe we'd have the money to invest in social programs and improvements to our nation instead of bankrolling, bailing out, defending, and conquering other nations, and we'd be a far different nation today.
 
2012-12-23 08:24:54 PM  

Kit Fister: There comes a point in time when the gravitas of events, the lip-service paid by government employees meant to represent the will of the people and not the will of the special interest, when certain actions are necessary.

Do I believe in waving a gun around? No. Do I believe that just because a bunch of guys made a point about being civil before resorting to revolution to MAKE their point, that somehow they're now being violent and outside of the scope of being prudent? No. I see in those photos gun owners who have not only peacibly assembled, but have taken the time to secure their firearms so as to render them safe, and nowhere do I see them openly advocating violence, or acting in a way that is irrational, or reprehensible.

You may disagree with their methods or their message. However in some ways, their message -- that taxing people to pay for more spending over cutting spending and lowering taxes -- is an honest one, and not altogether unconscionable. Do I agree with them? no. Do I think that showing up, armed, as a rally against governmental policies is necessarily prudent, given that the message being sent is garbled and received as "oh look, it's just another group of whackjobs with guns ranting about some damn thing."


Wait.

I'm asking this because I respect you, Kit, and maybe I'm misreading what you're saying here: You're alright with the message these people are promoting: Listen to me or we start shooting? You're alright with a revolution because you don't "agree" with the people in office? You do realize that, last time, it killed MORE Americans that every other war in the History of the United States combined, right? And it devastated both the North and the South, culturally, economically, and on a human level. It was one of the most senseless wastes of human life in our history.

The idea of starting a shooting war by the people of the United States against their own people, because you don't agree with the guy in office, and someone who has done NOTHING unconstitutional in terms of Governing the people of the United States by adhering to the rules of Government set down by the Legislative and Judicial branch is terrifying, and so are the people who have that mentality, Kit.

You're talking about the potential deaths of MILLIONS of Americans when you extrapolate casualty figures from then and apply them to the populations of the United States today. And those are the figures for official combatants alone - not counting the myriad of Civilians who were killed in the fighting.

Civil War is not something to toss around even close to lightly. The Tea Party assholes who do this deny their history, and encourage the repetition of a monstrous period of time.
 
2012-12-23 09:13:27 PM  

BronyMedic: Kit Fister: There comes a point in time when the gravitas of events, the lip-service paid by government employees meant to represent the will of the people and not the will of the special interest, when certain actions are necessary.

Do I believe in waving a gun around? No. Do I believe that just because a bunch of guys made a point about being civil before resorting to revolution to MAKE their point, that somehow they're now being violent and outside of the scope of being prudent? No. I see in those photos gun owners who have not only peacibly assembled, but have taken the time to secure their firearms so as to render them safe, and nowhere do I see them openly advocating violence, or acting in a way that is irrational, or reprehensible.

You may disagree with their methods or their message. However in some ways, their message -- that taxing people to pay for more spending over cutting spending and lowering taxes -- is an honest one, and not altogether unconscionable. Do I agree with them? no. Do I think that showing up, armed, as a rally against governmental policies is necessarily prudent, given that the message being sent is garbled and received as "oh look, it's just another group of whackjobs with guns ranting about some damn thing."

Wait.

I'm asking this because I respect you, Kit, and maybe I'm misreading what you're saying here: You're alright with the message these people are promoting: Listen to me or we start shooting? You're alright with a revolution because you don't "agree" with the people in office? You do realize that, last time, it killed MORE Americans that every other war in the History of the United States combined, right? And it devastated both the North and the South, culturally, economically, and on a human level. It was one of the most senseless wastes of human life in our history.

The idea of starting a shooting war by the people of the United States against their own people, because you don't agree with the guy in office, and someone who has done NOTHING unconstitutional in terms of Governing the people of the United States by adhering to the rules of Government set down by the Legislative and Judicial branch is terrifying, and so are the people who have that mentality, Kit.

You're talking about the potential deaths of MILLIONS of Americans when you extrapolate casualty figures from then and apply them to the populations of the United States today. And those are the figures for official combatants alone - not counting the myriad of Civilians who were killed in the fighting.

Civil War is not something to toss around even close to lightly. The Tea Party assholes who do this deny their history, and encourage the repetition of a monstrous period of time.


Considering the appearance that government is divided and does little but continue to misuse the trust placed in it by the people, erodes the freedoms of the people and encroaches on and tramples the freedoms and rights of people half a world away in the name of a dim and half remembered cause that is as pointless as pissing up a rope, and the fact that attempts to bring badly needed change fall on deaf ears election after election, I believe that something has to change. I believe that OWS has, amid the guys pooping in trash cans and the bong smoke, some valid concerns. I believe the tea party does too, or did before they were hijacked by the extreme right wing.

When the government fails to listen to the will of the people it represents, it has failed those people and those people should be empowered to make their voices heard.

The sad thing is, in our nation, if it doesn't fit the national narrative of the hour, or play with the politics of the moment, it is either buried, ridiculed and misreported, or falsified and demonized. Look at OWS: it had great intentions and for the people in the ground or on the Internet who could find cogent data about it, was worth supporting. On the news it became a national joke, complete with the guarded glee as the police moved in and shut down the protests.

Look at our current national narrative on gun control and such after sandy hook. As I stated in another post in this thread, nothing we do will actually fix the problem without more basic and drastic changes that would actually affect a far greater number of people - many talk about body counts, but so far this year more people have died from suicide (a preventable death from a treatable set of circumstances) than have died in all of the so-called massacres combined. Why is it national news when a classroom full of kids is killed by one abhorrent, disturbed individual, and just another day in paradise when someone's father, mother, son, daughter, sister, brother, whatever offs themselves? Why do we as a society shrug and accept that people will kill themselves and ignore it, but put on our faux outrage for a school shooting? Looking at our morass of a healthcare system and what options sick people have, I'm more surprised people haven't done worse. But what will come out of this will be knee-jerk feel-good legislation that puts a bandaid on it, does nothing at best, screws over the law abiding citizens at worst and changes nothing that actually causes the issues to occur, and everyone will go home and feel good about themselves because they did something.

I don't want bloodshed to be necessary for our society to work out its difficulties and differences. I do, however, continue to believe that it is the right of the people to use any methods necessary to make their voices heard. Sometimes that means you've got to make a lot of noise to do it.

Our forefathers set out a nation whose government was subordinate to the people. Now the government dictates to a largely synambulent public, pays lip service to them, and then continues in to do what is in their own best interests. People should not be afraid of their government, governments should be afraid of their people.
 
2012-12-23 09:53:01 PM  

Methadone Girls: They shut down 4 of the 6 schools and found no evidence of any danger and 1 for a low risk incident.  Also fark you for making me read a Sun article.

Canada takes things seriously when it comes to threats and we stop and investigate.  Crazy notion eh?


Nobody made me read the article.

And all this says about Canada is a lot of kids want to shut down the school for a day and they think it's a joke.
 
2012-12-23 10:11:28 PM  

BronyMedic: I don't know of many OWS protests which came to wave around guns while strongly inferring that murdering innocent Americans to get their way was an acceptable solution to the political climate.


Maybe not everybody in OWS, but there are plenty of leftists who support an armed uprising in the US to bring about their so-called socialist utopia. They have the support of Bill Ayers, so that should tell you everything you need to know about them.
 
2012-12-23 10:23:41 PM  
Should have a Silly tag. Some nut could call in everyday a gun threat. Would they close down everyday?
 
2012-12-24 12:37:54 AM  
Only a 22 and  a rifle? I was brought up in rural New Brunswick. A home with only two guns must belong to a clergyman, Two Daddies or a liberal schoolteacher.
 
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