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2012-12-22 04:29:57 PM

boomm: sleeps in trees: KarmaSpork: sleeps in trees: Not saying one way or the other but this needs to be said.

I was 14ish before I realised that being sexually abused was wrong. I actually found out by watching some movie of the week with Ted Danson, Something About Ameilia, I think. I was raised by a wealthy, prominent, family. They were pillars of the community yet very insular. I was not allowed to form bonds, only select friends, and church. You usually go the overachiever or the trainwreck. Soas not to destroy the only life you know you do not say anything to anyone. The guilt is massive. The knowledge of services available is limited and when I was in my late teens it was not talked about. Getting into the mind games it plays on you, especially through puberty is a whole other ball of wax.

When I did leave home, I did not disclose because it would cut me off from everybody I know. After meeting my husband I recieved the support I needed. We disclosed (which is emotionally brutal) and were told point blank by the authorities, your word against theirs, you will end up going through hell and maybe if convicted they will get a suspended sentence.

Now in my 40s I have no contact with my parents, any family or any life I had before I disclosed. I bumped into a cousine once and the scuttlebut is that I was hypnotised and a memory was implanted. I shiat you not.

So, it's not always as easy as it seems.

Get real revenge. Live your life well. Let yourself be truly, deliriously happy.

/internet hug

Life is good, really good.

Great respect. Your strength and confidence to share and not let the bad you've experience direct who you will be is inspiring.

I was confused by a part of what you typed. You learned after meeting your cousin that you had a memory implanted? What was the gist of that? I took it as your family tried to have your memories changed to make you forget some stuff.


No they just made the whole thing up to explain why a grown women would accuse them. The crazy is strong with them.
 
2012-12-22 04:31:56 PM

jst3p: sleeps in trees: Now in my 40s I have no contact with my parents, any family or any life I had before I disclosed. I bumped into a cousine once and the scuttlebut is that I was hypnotised and a memory was implanted. I shiat you not.

To play devil's advocate, how can you be sure this isn't true?


I never was under hypnosis, and a lot of people said they thought something fishy was going on including the family doctor.
 
2012-12-22 04:42:40 PM
Liberal policies allowed her robe placed in that horrible lifestyle.
 
2012-12-22 04:48:03 PM

The One True TheDavid: Honest Bender:

And that makes her a hero?

In common parlance a Hero is anyone Bad Things happen to who gets to live through it. We used to call that a Victim but 9/11 changed everything.



Ulysses. It makes her like Ulysses.
 
2012-12-22 04:49:21 PM

sleeps in trees: jst3p: sleeps in trees: Now in my 40s I have no contact with my parents, any family or any life I had before I disclosed. I bumped into a cousine once and the scuttlebut is that I was hypnotised and a memory was implanted. I shiat you not.

To play devil's advocate, how can you be sure this isn't true?

I never was under hypnosis,


How would you know?

and a lot of people said they thought something fishy was going on including the family doctor.


That makes sense, and I was just fooling around anyway.
 
2012-12-22 04:54:58 PM

jst3p: sleeps in trees: jst3p: sleeps in trees: Now in my 40s I have no contact with my parents, any family or any life I had before I disclosed. I bumped into a cousine once and the scuttlebut is that I was hypnotised and a memory was implanted. I shiat you not.

To play devil's advocate, how can you be sure this isn't true?

I never was under hypnosis,

How would you know?

and a lot of people said they thought something fishy was going on including the family doctor.


That makes sense, and I was just fooling around anyway.


Eh, no harm no foul. But you have a valid point, doubting your own sanity and version of things is par for the course. I mean you are remembering things through the eyes of a child that has been manipulated.
 
2012-12-22 04:56:35 PM

spidermilk: Pestifer: I didn't see anything to back the story up. Nothing to refute it, but, you know, extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence.

I guess that is why her parents haven't been arrested or anything. How could she possibly prove it unless some of the people came forward and admitted to what they did?

That said, it is pretty well documented that human trafficking and sex slaves exist in the US.


it's not human trafficking just because your parents pimp you out.
I know the articles title is in fact "Berkeley Woman Breaks Chains of Human Trafficking", but you can't let the journalist do the thinking for you. she wasn't bought or sold by anyone. just pimped out by her parents.
I will also say the story sounds fairly unlikely, although it of course is not impossible.
how did she continue to be pimped out when she went away to college? were her parents setting stuff up on craigslist and having the johns send paypal payments to them instead of giving cash to her? the logistics sound ridiculous. in all events, this was not human trafficking.
there was no recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons.
 
2012-12-22 04:57:55 PM
This sort of thing absolutely happens often enough that this could be true.

But it isn't trafficking. This girl appears to be the victim of both sexual exploitation and severe child abuse, but the "trafficking" terminology seems to be here because that's the current buzzword for all victims of commercial sexual exploitation.
 
2012-12-22 04:57:58 PM

The One True TheDavid: In common parlance a Hero is anyone Bad Things happen to who gets to live through it. We used to call that a Victim but 9/11 changed everything.

 
2012-12-22 05:07:59 PM

RenownedCurator: DarkVader: Just another Heartland Weirdass: trivial use of my dark powers: Why haven't her parents been arrested AND these brothels selling sex with kids been closed down and all involved arrested? And beaten? And shot? In the kneecaps?

Because she made them up?
Ill go ahead and be the Adam Henry here. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Is there any proof of this?

Yeah, this sounds pretty fantastical to me. I think we may have another Duke rape on our hands here...

I'm wondering about the claim that her parents would leave her in brothels for weeks on end -- if she was a big overachiever in school, were brothel personnel dropping her off, or did they make sure only to send her there during vacations? Also, what sort of ads could her parents place in the Vietnamese language papers that would attract customers but not cause someone to call the police? If they were placed, there will presumably be a paper trail of some sort. I'm not saying something bad didn't happen to her, but those were two parts of the story that made me hope there's some confirming evidence they're not mentioning in the article, because otherwise, hmmm ....


Everyone knows that cops can't read Vietnamese newspapers!
 
2012-12-22 05:13:34 PM

The One True TheDavid: borg:

At least most of the Asian brothel hookers I read about here in KY, who work(ed) out of massage parlors and "day spas," are over 35.


Read about?

Yeah, right....
 
2012-12-22 05:24:59 PM
RenownedCurator:
" what sort of ads could her parents place in the Vietnamese language papers that would attract customers but not cause someone to call the police? If they were placed, there will presumably be a paper trail of some sort."

Well around here the regular newspapers are full of ads for prostitutes barely disguised as massage parlors. I'm sure there are code words you can use, even "young" which does not necessarily mean illegal.

And as mentioned above, there is a significant underground organized crime scene in the viet community. It wouldn't be hard to get an underage prostitute if you get the connections.

I live right in the middle of an area with dozens of these cafes. I've never heard of them as fronts for brothels, shoot I know a girl that works in them, they're basically strip clubs operating without a license. So I'm not surprised if some are fronts for brothels. Lord knows a lot of gangsters hang out there all day.
 
2012-12-22 05:27:03 PM
If she wants to help, she could work with police and finger all the front businesses.

As for skepticism, yeah, probably horrrible stuff happened but it got exaggerated in her understandably broken mind. I recall a story about a nun in central america a few years ago who was raped by her captors. Not only was she raped, which probably did happen, but she said they cut numerous holes in her with knives and raped the holes. Mmm, no. You'd be dead if that happened, sister. Thing was, at the time people who commented with ANY skepticism of her story were lambasted as 'supporting' the vile captors. Some people just don't get it.
 
2012-12-22 05:31:09 PM

o'really: RenownedCurator:
" what sort of ads could her parents place in the Vietnamese language papers that would attract customers but not cause someone to call the police? If they were placed, there will presumably be a paper trail of some sort."

Well around here the regular newspapers are full of ads for prostitutes barely disguised as massage parlors. I'm sure there are code words you can use, even "young" which does not necessarily mean illegal.

And as mentioned above, there is a significant underground organized crime scene in the viet community. It wouldn't be hard to get an underage prostitute if you get the connections.

I live right in the middle of an area with dozens of these cafes. I've never heard of them as fronts for brothels, shoot I know a girl that works in them, they're basically strip clubs operating without a license. So I'm not surprised if some are fronts for brothels. Lord knows a lot of gangsters hang out there all day.


how did her parents do it when she is away at college and you are in san jose?
maybe she was pimped out as a kid, but then when she was older decided the sacrifice was worth the reward, like the violin.
 
2012-12-22 05:50:28 PM
Relcec: "how did her parents do it when she is away at college and you are in san jose?
maybe she was pimped out as a kid, but then when she was older decided the sacrifice was worth the reward, like the violin."

Ever heard of stockholm syndrome? Maybe she thought she deserved the abuse or owed it to her parents. Vietnamese culture is super heavy on familial duty and obligation/respect to parents and elders.

You think her parents could only control her when she was living under their roof? Berkeley is not that far from los altos or san jose, she could've still been living at home. I know people who make that daily commute.

Ever considered that someone would continue living in an unbearable situation because they feel unable to break free of it for reasons of financial hardship or emotional abuse? Consider women in physically abusive relationships. They may feel their life is in danger if they break ties, they may feel they deserve the abuse, they may feel an emotional obligation to their abuser.

Pimps don't usually hold their girls in line by using physical chains, they use emotional manipulation. Her parents were pimps, she probably didn't feel emotionally strong enough to leave their grasp until she hit 20.

But yes, maybe she thought the sacrifice was worth the reward. The sacrifice of continuing something awful to get what she wanted, which was freedom. That doesn't make her not a victim.
 
2012-12-22 05:50:49 PM
Prostitutes in Berkeley? Inconceivable!

www.move2needham.com

/oblig
 
2012-12-22 06:04:49 PM
This is Fark, so I clicked this discussion looking for pics of hot Asian sex slaves, and am leaving incredibly disappointed.
 
2012-12-22 06:06:01 PM
Very skeptical of her story. And even if one buys into the possibility that a victim finds it difficult to impossible to prosecute relatives, what about all the other children at these brothel fronts?

Not buying it. Not even a little.

Additionally, I do not know of any severely abused child who managed to pull a 4.0 AND all those extra after school activities while the abuse was occuring. I don't even know of neglected children who can manage that. Let alone ones being left for 3-4 weeks at a time in a brothel.

Unfortunately people are able to more easily make claims of false attacks, sexual assault, abuse, and illness because we consider it almost taboo to challenge someone on these things. The battle cry is often one of piling abuse upon those abused, or 'see this is why victims stay silent'.

However, I think it's far worse when people create false stories, because that more than anything leads to questioning the veracity of all claims. Not that we shouldn't question them, but it can lead to skepticism which at times is unreasonable. Given the absolute lack of correlating facts of any sort, other than the person's own accounts...it's reasonable IMO to be skeptical.

And in this case, I just don't think it rings true at all. Worse still it's difficult to hope one is wrong given the alternative.

Regardless of whether she's being honest or not, I think she could use some serious help.
 
2012-12-22 06:07:38 PM

o'really: But yes, maybe she thought the sacrifice was worth the reward. The sacrifice of continuing something awful to get what she wanted, which was freedom. That doesn't make her not a victim.


never said she wasn't a victim. I'd argue about the hero thing though.
and for at least a part of it she appears to have been a willing participant. I'll note the decision to break contact the second she found out the last tuition bill was paid.
 
2012-12-22 06:33:32 PM
relcec:

"never said she wasn't a victim. I'd argue about the hero thing though."

I don't know the whole story. Tv news stations rarely research issues well or provide facts to flesh out stories. I'm not saying it did or didn't happen exactly as reported, which is pretty vague from the one article.

But clearly some people see her as a hero for her willingness to go forward and expose herself to the kind of criticism and jokes seen here.

Would you consider her a hero if she'd not accepted any money from her parents to go to school?
 
2012-12-22 06:37:48 PM
Sex slave AND they sent her to Cal??! The bastards!

/snark
//trafficing/sex slavery happens, good for her for overcoming her past.
 
2012-12-22 06:39:34 PM

o'really: relcec:

"never said she wasn't a victim. I'd argue about the hero thing though."

I don't know the whole story. Tv news stations rarely research issues well or provide facts to flesh out stories. I'm not saying it did or didn't happen exactly as reported, which is pretty vague from the one article.

But clearly some people see her as a hero for her willingness to go forward and expose herself to the kind of criticism and jokes seen here.

Would you consider her a hero if she'd not accepted any money from her parents to go to school?


I'd consider her a hero if she put herself in harms way attempting to save the life of someone when she had no employment related, moral, or legal obligation to do so.
 
2012-12-22 07:11:54 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Dang.


No Nguyen situation.
 
2012-12-22 07:11:57 PM

relcec: o'really: relcec:

"never said she wasn't a victim. I'd argue about the hero thing though."

I don't know the whole story. Tv news stations rarely research issues well or provide facts to flesh out stories. I'm not saying it did or didn't happen exactly as reported, which is pretty vague from the one article.

But clearly some people see her as a hero for her willingness to go forward and expose herself to the kind of criticism and jokes seen here.

Would you consider her a hero if she'd not accepted any money from her parents to go to school?

I'd consider her a hero if she put herself in harms way attempting to save the life of someone when she had no employment related, moral, or legal obligation to do so.



Can you define "in harms way"?
 
2012-12-22 07:26:17 PM

bintherdunthat: relcec: o'really: relcec:

"never said she wasn't a victim. I'd argue about the hero thing though."

I don't know the whole story. Tv news stations rarely research issues well or provide facts to flesh out stories. I'm not saying it did or didn't happen exactly as reported, which is pretty vague from the one article.

But clearly some people see her as a hero for her willingness to go forward and expose herself to the kind of criticism and jokes seen here.

Would you consider her a hero if she'd not accepted any money from her parents to go to school?

I'd consider her a hero if she put herself in harms way attempting to save the life of someone when she had no employment related, moral, or legal obligation to do so.


Can you define "in harms way"?


you know harm? think bad.
in the way of that.
 
2012-12-22 07:31:36 PM
risk of injury, death, or otherwise serious negative personal consequences (loss of a professional license, valued personal relationships, community ostracization, etc).
 
2012-12-22 07:50:59 PM

relcec: risk of injury, death, or otherwise serious negative personal consequences (loss of a professional license, valued personal relationships, community ostracization, etc).



This sounds like a form of organized crime. Organized crime types sometimes try to make life unpleasant for people who cross them.
 
2012-12-22 08:12:16 PM
honestly, i smell BS. i've met alot of people who would go to that extreme just to get attention.

just sayin her story sounds off. why would her parents pay for her college completely if they are making so much off renting her out? why are no charges being filed?
 
2012-12-22 08:20:14 PM

gravebayne2: honestly, i smell BS. i've met alot of people who would go to that extreme just to get attention.

just sayin her story sounds off. why would her parents pay for her college completely if they are making so much off renting her out? why are no charges being filed?


I think it may be true.
perhaps the facts surrounding her prostitution in college, like only cutting ties with her parents after they made the last tuition payment and then immediately, have the prosecutors worrying about the likelihood of a conviction.
justice isn't the only factor weighed in the prosecute/not prosecute calculation.
 
2012-12-22 08:37:24 PM
relcec:
"risk of injury, death, or otherwise serious negative personal consequences (loss of a professional license, valued personal relationships, community ostracization, etc)."

You don't think she has put herself at risk of community ostracization?
 
2012-12-22 09:11:57 PM

o'really: relcec:
"risk of injury, death, or otherwise serious negative personal consequences (loss of a professional license, valued personal relationships, community ostracization, etc)."

You don't think she has put herself at risk of community ostracization?


no.
why would the community ostracize her? do vietnamese stone to death whores or something that I'm unaware of?
the community is praising her *breaking the chains of human trafficking*. are other Berkley alumni likely to shun her?

also I'm not sure who this is helping. her parents only are alleged to have turned her out. will receiving this medal and key to the city convince someone to finally drop a dime on human traffickers they previously have been protecting for whatever reason? I doubt it. it's like a PSA. its a feel good story, former child prostitute makes good. very admirable indeed. very admirable, but I don't get the reflexive desire to label every victim that ever gets up out of the dirt, dusts themselves off and makes good a hero.

you can still call her a hero. you can call the cop or fireman who does his job a hero. the mom who has a moral obligation to save her baby a hero for doing so. the common carrier that has a legal duty to use the utmost diligence to protect their passengers a hero for doing so. the attorney general who prosecutes organized crime a hero. you can even call every victim of any horrible crime that gets a degree a hero if it makes you feel good to confer the honor of hero upon people.
I'll reserve it for someone who doesn't have an obligation to act and takes a significant risk to do so.
 
2012-12-22 09:27:05 PM

loonatic112358: if she gets breast implants and a Ferrari, keep her the hell away from microwaves


Yes, finally - something that is actually obscure...
 
2012-12-22 09:32:02 PM
Surprising how a California news site has an entire article about Minh Dang without mentioning that she's with the group behind the state's recent Proposition 35. Considering how successful the initiative was, they had no reason not to acknowledge her effort behind it.
 
2012-12-22 09:33:10 PM
I'm not saying this doesn't take courage and her climb out of abyss isn't admirable.
 
2012-12-22 10:09:34 PM
Yes, I realize that she was definitely not trafficked, but I'm just saying that if there is lots of evidence that people are trafficked as sex slaves in the US then it was possible that her story of being a sex slave was true. Meh could be true or could not be- I don't see an overwhelming reason why either side would be more possible. I just wanted you guys to understand that sex slaves do exist in the US.

And I still stand by her being a hero. I personally think that it is a no-brainer to take a bullet for a kid or your wife, or to sacrifice yourself for them. Yea, it takes courage and is heroic. If you didn't take the bullet for them think of the incredible guilt you'd live with.

But deciding to come forward and admit and openly discuss years of sexual abuse takes incredible amounts of courage, especially because you could just try to forget it all and let it go away. If she is lying, yea maybe she is doing it for herself. If she isn't, it takes extreme bravery to come forward and the ONLY reason to be public about it is to try to help others come forward or to stop it.
 
2012-12-22 10:12:19 PM
Fair 'nuff.
 
2012-12-22 11:36:30 PM

kokomo61: I'm sorry she had to make a choice like that....but she stayed in that situation until they paid the final tuition bill. I can't judge her, but it does make my head spin.


I suppose after doing it for years and years and years, even if she hated it, it had become such an integral part of her normal life that it seemed like a smaller sacrifice to her than it would to us. Perhaps she saw it as making some use of all the money that her parents wrang out of her in order to make sure that she would have the tools to take care of herself and separate from her parents for good. It's difficult to imagine how living that way from age 10 would change your perspective on things.
 
2012-12-22 11:44:10 PM
When asked why they did it when busted for prostitution in another country, which do you think is the most frequent answer:

a. I'm just a whore and I thought it was a good way to make money, or:
b. I had no idea that I was going to be more than a waitress, I was forced!

I hope authorities come up with the numbers for this sort of thing they are not just relying on the answers they get.

/Not saying it isn't real or isn't a problem, just wonderin'
 
2012-12-22 11:48:06 PM
Wow, a lot of skeptics here seem give a great deal of creedence to their own wildly uninformed speculation. Unsurprisingly, most of that speculation seems to revolve around not understanding what it is like to be a victim of sexual abuse from a young age. You can't expect that someone who has been victimized from at 10 would act the same way YOU would; it is absurd to talk about what you think someone should or shouldn't do in a situation completely different from yours, and then proceed to make assumptions about their motivations or actions based on that. Oh well, welcome to Fark I suppose.
 
2012-12-22 11:56:28 PM
Came to make a crude comment, but after watching that video I simply cannot do so. Instead, way to rise above the horror around you. I wish you the very best of luck in life.
 
2012-12-23 12:53:29 AM

calbert: great, now Jada Pinkett Smith is going to bankroll her into a reality star like she did with the dog whisperer.


With Pinkett Smith involved, it's only a matter of time before that poor woman's "whoring" for L Ron.
 
2012-12-23 01:43:14 AM
*locks door to padded room with offending parental figures inside*

Let's see; pliers, pigs, rope, hooks, duct tape, shears, lighters, zippos, handcuffs, thumbcuffs, water, portable stove, pans, butter, filet knife, 600-thread-count towel, stereo system, Spice Girls album, screwdriver. Earplugs.

/that's day one
//offending persons should be sent to general pop, and the GP should be asked to let them survive as long as possible.
 
2012-12-23 06:23:02 AM
Cool now she can hit up Dyncorp for back pay.
 
2012-12-23 06:25:00 AM

Pestifer: I didn't see anything to back the story up. Nothing to refute it, but, you know, extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence.


That's pre-9/11 thinking.
 
2012-12-23 06:30:31 AM

spidermilk: Honest Bender: And that makes her a hero?

I think what makes her a hero is coming forward NOW and wanting to stop sex slavery...

now that she's made enough from it to get a college education.
 
2012-12-23 06:58:35 AM

Bacontastesgood: If she wants to help, she could work with police and finger all the front businesses.


Snort!
 
2012-12-23 10:46:52 AM

sleeps in trees: Not saying one way or the other but this needs to be said.

I was 14ish before I realised that being sexually abused was wrong.


I'm profoundly sorry that happened to you - my sympathies.

But I'm also stunned that you were 14 before you realised it was wrong. I can understand being trapped in a situation (being too scared to tell anyone), or not realising because you're in some cult or stone-age culture where child-abuse is the norm, but I can't wrap my head around someone in a first-world country not knowing that it was wrong. Isolation from your peers explains a small part of it, but didn't you get taught this in primary school? Home-schooled maybe? I'm pretty sure we first touched on the subject in grade 1 (in Oz). It was part of health class every year, along with stranger-danger, don't-be-a-bully, and slip-slop-slap. I still remember the song: "My body's nobody's body but mine."
 
2012-12-23 04:21:19 PM

LiquidSky: sleeps in trees: Not saying one way or the other but this needs to be said.

I was 14ish before I realised that being sexually abused was wrong.

I'm profoundly sorry that happened to you - my sympathies.

But I'm also stunned that you were 14 before you realised it was wrong. I can understand being trapped in a situation (being too scared to tell anyone), or not realising because you're in some cult or stone-age culture where child-abuse is the norm, but I can't wrap my head around someone in a first-world country not knowing that it was wrong. Isolation from your peers explains a small part of it, but didn't you get taught this in primary school? Home-schooled maybe? I'm pretty sure we first touched on the subject in grade 1 (in Oz). It was part of health class every year, along with stranger-danger, don't-be-a-bully, and slip-slop-slap. I still remember the song: "My body's nobody's body but mine."


No it was never taught. I'm 43 so the first really controversial discussion was AIDS in grade 8 and it was that it was due to the four H's.
 
2012-12-24 02:01:23 PM

spidermilk: Honest Bender: And that makes her a hero?

I think what makes her a hero is coming forward NOW and wanting to stop sex slavery.


If it was disproven, wouldn't that be just as detrimental to her cause as a woman who cried rape on a man who was never near her?
 
2012-12-24 02:24:19 PM

Gawdzila: Wow, a lot of skeptics here seem give a great deal of creedence to their own wildly uninformed speculation. Unsurprisingly, most of that speculation seems to revolve around not understanding what it is like to be a victim of sexual abuse from a young age. You can't expect that someone who has been victimized from at 10 would act the same way YOU would; it is absurd to talk about what you think someone should or shouldn't do in a situation completely different from yours, and then proceed to make assumptions about their motivations or actions based on that. Oh well, welcome to Fark I suppose.


You're looking through the lens of automatic belief. Others are looking through the lens of having seen people desperate for attention, sympathy, or money make up stories out of others' suffering, often because they feel their own lives are too dull to interest an audience. And the stories are usually outlandish. For someone like that, telling everyone isn't difficult at all; in fact, making the tears flow is probably the hardest part of the telling. Not that I know or really care whether her story is true.

Ultimately, the best that can be done is to reserve judgment (or believe whatever you want) and continue helping victims still stuck in the system regardless. Legalizing and heavily regulating prostitution would go part way toward that, although there will always be sick farks willing to go underground for their twisted fetishes at a bargain. At least it drives some of the business into the open, so people could concentrate on stuff that's still kept in the shadows.
 
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