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2012-12-22 10:15:52 AM  
After years of physical, emotional, and sexual abuse, Dang says her mother and father teamed-up to sell her for sex-starting at age 10. "They actually recruited people, so my mom placed ads in Vietnamese newspapers and magazines," Dang recalled.  "My dad took me to these businesses, they were cafes, and they were fronts for brothels. He would take me to brothels and leave me there for weeks on end, and brothels sell children for sex so that was my job while I was there."

Farking Parents of the Year.
 
2012-12-22 10:23:31 AM  
Why have these parents not been arrested again?
 
2012-12-22 10:25:37 AM  
Dang.
 
2012-12-22 10:31:34 AM  
She get her degree in Human Anatomy?

/aisle seat
/seriously though, her parents need to go straight to the 9th circle of hell.
 
2012-12-22 10:31:50 AM  
Working your way through college, TO THE EXTREMMMMME.
 
2012-12-22 10:32:08 AM  
Maybe it was reading that, maybe its just the spirit of the season, but I'll be danged if I wasn't inspired to go downstairs just now and loosen  the manacles on my "guests" in the basement a little bit.

Happy holidays, everyone.  *sniff*
 
2012-12-22 11:17:04 AM  
Why haven't her parents been arrested AND these brothels selling sex with kids been closed down and all involved arrested? And beaten? And shot? In the kneecaps?
 
2012-12-22 11:37:30 AM  
Is she more expensive now?
 
2012-12-22 11:44:08 AM  
great, now Jada Pinkett Smith is going to bankroll her into a reality star like she did with the dog whisperer.
 
2012-12-22 11:53:40 AM  

trivial use of my dark powers: Why haven't her parents been arrested AND these brothels selling sex with kids been closed down and all involved arrested? And beaten? And shot? In the kneecaps?


They have rights.
 
2012-12-22 11:54:02 AM  
pedobear.too.old.jpg
 
2012-12-22 11:54:34 AM  
You'd hit it !

/// Window seat, please !
 
2012-12-22 11:55:11 AM  
I think it's time we retired the hero tag.
 
2012-12-22 11:56:14 AM  
I didn't see anything to back the story up. Nothing to refute it, but, you know, extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence.
 
2012-12-22 11:56:34 AM  

wambu: After years of physical, emotional, and sexual abuse, Dang says her mother and father teamed-up to sell her for sex-starting at age 10. "They actually recruited people, so my mom placed ads in Vietnamese newspapers and magazines," Dang recalled.  "My dad took me to these businesses, they were cafes, and they were fronts for brothels. He would take me to brothels and leave me there for weeks on end, and brothels sell children for sex so that was my job while I was there."

Farking Parents of the Year.


images4.wikia.nocookie.net
That word. Keep using it. I think it means exactly what you think it means.
 
2012-12-22 11:58:00 AM  
Why would they use that sign in front of her in the picture?

media.nbcbayarea.com
 
2012-12-22 12:01:49 PM  

Nothing To See Here: Why would they use that sign in front of her in the picture?

[media.nbcbayarea.com image 654x601]


Sorry, the dude behind her has a pedo smile...

/isle seat
//first class
///drinks
 
2012-12-22 12:02:35 PM  
That's a hell of a benefit plan
 
2012-12-22 12:02:54 PM  

trivial use of my dark powers: Why haven't her parents been arrested AND these brothels selling sex with kids been closed down and all involved arrested? And beaten? And shot? In the kneecaps?


Because she made them up?
Ill go ahead and be the Adam Henry here. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Is there any proof of this?
 
2012-12-22 12:03:34 PM  
I can't understand what it must be like to have to live like that - it's also hard for me to understand why she stayed after she went to college.

"The first two years I was going to college but was still enslaved. I was still being sold by my parents," Dang said. "Then they paid my final bill for college, and that's when I cut all ties with them, that i would contact the police if they contacted me again, and then that was it."

I'm sorry she had to make a choice like that....but she stayed in that situation until they paid the final tuition bill. I can't judge her, but it does make my head spin.
 
2012-12-22 12:03:39 PM  
if she gets breast implants and a Ferrari, keep her the hell away from microwaves
 
2012-12-22 12:04:16 PM  

Nothing To See Here: Why would they use that sign in front of her in the picture?

[media.nbcbayarea.com image 654x601]


Caucus.
 
2012-12-22 12:05:44 PM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: trivial use of my dark powers: Why haven't her parents been arrested AND these brothels selling sex with kids been closed down and all involved arrested? And beaten? And shot? In the kneecaps?

Because she made them up?
Ill go ahead and be the Adam Henry here. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Is there any proof of this?


Yeah, I'd hate to be a cynic, but this sounds really fishy.
 
2012-12-22 12:08:59 PM  
Disappointed Asian Father: You Be Whore. Why You Not A Whore?
 
2012-12-22 12:09:10 PM  
Actually this goes along pretty well with the Tiger mother culture some Asian countries ascribe to. And it worked too, not many poor Vietnamese could say they graduated from such a prestigious university. Her parents must be very proud of her, finally.
 
2012-12-22 12:10:57 PM  

Pestifer: I didn't see anything to back the story up. Nothing to refute it, but, you know, extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence.


I guess that is why her parents haven't been arrested or anything. How could she possibly prove it unless some of the people came forward and admitted to what they did?

That said, it is pretty well documented that human trafficking and sex slaves exist in the US. They might be scared they will be deported, worried about violence toward them or their families, or just unable to communicate well in English and not trusting of the authorities. Not to mention that they might be all drugged up in an effort to lessen their desire to get free. Plus, if your family/hometown will no longer accept you because you have been a sex slave then you might not think there is any point in escaping and you definitely do not want to publicize what happened to you.
 
2012-12-22 12:11:06 PM  

Cymbal: Actually this goes along pretty well with the Tiger mother culture some Asian countries ascribe to. And it worked too, not many poor Vietnamese could say they graduated from such a prestigious university. Her parents must be very proud of her, finally.


"subscribe".
 
2012-12-22 12:11:31 PM  
This story seems very strange...and almost unbelievable.
 
2012-12-22 12:13:11 PM  
Just another Heartland Weirdass: trivial use of my dark powers: Why haven't her parents been arrested AND these brothels selling sex with kids been closed down and all involved arrested? And beaten? And shot? In the kneecaps?

Because she made them up?
Ill go ahead and be the Adam Henry here. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Is there any proof of this?


What is 'Extraordinary' about her claims?
 
2012-12-22 12:13:28 PM  

Shazam999: Just another Heartland Weirdass: trivial use of my dark powers: Why haven't her parents been arrested AND these brothels selling sex with kids been closed down and all involved arrested? And beaten? And shot? In the kneecaps?

Because she made them up?
Ill go ahead and be the Adam Henry here. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Is there any proof of this?

Yeah, I'd hate to be a cynic, but this sounds really fishy.


How exactly would you go about proving it (at all--much less beyond a reasonable doubt), if it had happened to you?
 
2012-12-22 12:16:13 PM  
Dang!
 
2012-12-22 12:16:37 PM  

WhippingBoy: trivial use of my dark powers: Why haven't her parents been arrested AND these brothels selling sex with kids been closed down and all involved arrested? And beaten? And shot? In the kneecaps?

They have rights.


So, they're still living in Viet Nam rather than the states?
 
2012-12-22 12:17:16 PM  

Pestifer: I didn't see anything to back the story up. Nothing to refute it, but, you know, extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence.


This. And why would she stay in it until college was done being paid for? Seems strange to me. Maybe she figured she may as well stick with it until she at least has a degree out of it? Lot's of holes in this story and missing information, but then again, that's the current direction the media takes now; to make sure to only include the information needed to elicit the exact emotions they want to get out their audience.
 
2012-12-22 12:18:04 PM  
And that makes her a hero?
 
2012-12-22 12:19:23 PM  

Shazam999: Just another Heartland Weirdass: trivial use of my dark powers: Why haven't her parents been arrested AND these brothels selling sex with kids been closed down and all involved arrested? And beaten? And shot? In the kneecaps?

Because she made them up?
Ill go ahead and be the Adam Henry here. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Is there any proof of this?

Yeah, I'd hate to be a cynic, but this sounds really fishy.


Maybe it's a personal coping mechanism, but my first thought was : smells like b.s. someone is looking for a book deal.
 
2012-12-22 12:20:27 PM  

oukewldave: Pestifer: I didn't see anything to back the story up. Nothing to refute it, but, you know, extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence.

This. And why would she stay in it until college was done being paid for? Seems strange to me. Maybe she figured she may as well stick with it until she at least has a degree out of it? Lot's of holes in this story and missing information, but then again, that's the current direction the media takes now; to make sure to only include the information needed to elicit the exact emotions they want to get out their audience.


There really is no way to prove her claims. But why would she make all this stuff up? Asian women already have it pretty tough, what with the horizontal vaginas and erratic driving.
 
2012-12-22 12:21:03 PM  
 
2012-12-22 12:21:19 PM  

oukewldave: Pestifer: I didn't see anything to back the story up. Nothing to refute it, but, you know, extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence.

This. And why would she stay in it until college was done being paid for? Seems strange to me. Maybe she figured she may as well stick with it until she at least has a degree out of it? Lot's of holes in this story and missing information, but then again, that's the current direction the media takes now; to make sure to only include the information needed to elicit the exact emotions they want to get out their audience.


Victims (especially victims from a young age) often stay with their abusers for a variety of reasons. From blaming themselves to not knowing a different life to plain fear.
 
2012-12-22 12:24:15 PM  

Honest Bender: And that makes her a hero?


I think what makes her a hero is coming forward NOW and wanting to stop sex slavery.
 
2012-12-22 12:25:10 PM  

oukewldave: Pestifer: I didn't see anything to back the story up. Nothing to refute it, but, you know, extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence.

This. And why would she stay in it until college was done being paid for? Seems strange to me. Maybe she figured she may as well stick with it until she at least has a degree out of it? Lot's of holes
....


Isn't that what got her in this mess AND paid for her college?

/I'll take window seat please
 
2012-12-22 12:34:12 PM  

CowardlyLion: How exactly would you go about proving it (at all--much less beyond a reasonable doubt), if it had happened to you?


Wouldn't a medical exam show something? I don't know, scarring, something?
 
2012-12-22 12:41:26 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: CowardlyLion: How exactly would you go about proving it (at all--much less beyond a reasonable doubt), if it had happened to you?

Wouldn't a medical exam show something? I don't know, scarring, something?


I am not a doctor but I kind of doubt it. Think about the whole 'giving birth' process and how bodies heal from that. I have had scars from falling off my bike and stuff when I was a kid that disappeared after a few years.. like I said, not a doctor.
 
2012-12-22 12:44:14 PM  

spidermilk: Quantum Apostrophe: CowardlyLion: How exactly would you go about proving it (at all--much less beyond a reasonable doubt), if it had happened to you?

Wouldn't a medical exam show something? I don't know, scarring, something?

I am not a doctor but I kind of doubt it. Think about the whole 'giving birth' process and how bodies heal from that. I have had scars from falling off my bike and stuff when I was a kid that disappeared after a few years.. like I said, not a doctor.


Even if they did find scarring, that doesn't prove she had unconsensual sex. Just proves someone hit it too hard.
 
2012-12-22 12:47:58 PM  

spidermilk: Since some of you are in complete disbelief at her story, here are some links:

The U.S. State Department has estimated that approximately 600,000 to 800,000 victims are trafficked annually across international borders worldwide and approximately half of these victims are younger than age 18 (U.S. Department of State, 2005, 2006, 2007).

FBI Report on Human Trafficking in the US

-Federally funded task forces opened 2,515 suspected incidents of human trafficking for investigation between January 2008 and June 2010.
-About 8 in 10 of the suspected incidents of human trafficking were classified as sex trafficking, and about 1 in 10 incidents were classified as labor trafficking.
-The confirmed human trafficking incidents open for at least a year led to 144 known arrests.

I'm not saying that this proves what she said is true, but it does prove that this stuff happens in this country.


She wasn't trafficked across international borders or even across state lines.

She grew up in San Jose. California.

She lived in Los Altos or Mountain View and taken to cafes and bars in San Jose, Mountain View or Los Altos that were fronts for brothels. This occurred when she was in middle school and high school and she was left in those cafe brothels for weeks.

She was abused at 2-3 years old by her father, and she was trafficked starting at 10 years old.

This even occurred in Berkeley, California for her first two years at Cal, even though her parents lived in Mountain View (or Los Altos) apparently, because her parents were paying her school bills.

All in all, she brought in $2,000,000 dollars to her parents.

All in all, it's a strange news report because it doesn't provide obvious and relatively easily obtained details that might corroborate her story. Police reports, names or locations of these brothels, or customers, etc.

NBC Bay Area report:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1PKyWBZrDs
 
2012-12-22 12:48:50 PM  

spidermilk: Since some of you are in complete disbelief at her story, here are some links:

The U.S. State Department has estimated that approximately 600,000 to 800,000 victims are trafficked annually across international borders worldwide and approximately half of these victims are younger than age 18 (U.S. Department of State, 2005, 2006, 2007).

FBI Report on Human Trafficking in the US

-Federally funded task forces opened 2,515 suspected incidents of human trafficking for investigation between January 2008 and June 2010.
-About 8 in 10 of the suspected incidents of human trafficking were classified as sex trafficking, and about 1 in 10 incidents were classified as labor trafficking.
-The confirmed human trafficking incidents open for at least a year led to 144 known arrests.

I'm not saying that this proves what she said is true, but it does prove that this stuff happens in this country.


I wont argue it does not happen. I am just not ready to believe her without some solid evidence.

As far as the rest of your post goes

www.westword.com/2011-03-24/news/women-s-funding-network-sex-traffick i ng-study-is-junk-science/

Again, I'm a skeptic, not a denier.
 
2012-12-22 12:49:20 PM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: trivial use of my dark powers: Why haven't her parents been arrested AND these brothels selling sex with kids been closed down and all involved arrested? And beaten? And shot? In the kneecaps?

Because she made them up?
Ill go ahead and be the Adam Henry here. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Is there any proof of this?


Yeah, this sounds pretty fantastical to me. I think we may have another Duke rape on our hands here...
 
2012-12-22 12:59:23 PM  

gilgigamesh: Maybe it was reading that, maybe its just the spirit of the season, but I'll be danged if I wasn't inspired to go downstairs just now and loosen  the manacles on my "guests" in the basement a little bit.

Happy holidays, everyone.  *sniff*


Nothing To See Here: Why would they use that sign in front of her in the picture?

[media.nbcbayarea.com image 654x601]


You know, you guys are making light of a very serious situation. Well done, carry on and thanks for the larfs!
 
2012-12-22 12:59:36 PM  
But...but...but...

I dint see it so it dint happen..... derpy-derp-a-derp.

The amount of ignorance in this thread is so vast it should be nuked from orbit - still, the farking idjits that didn't see the crater would only think "book deal".
 
2012-12-22 01:00:22 PM  
And yet I love listening to all of the poor, sad Americans who use their "tough childhood" as an excuse for continued terrible / criminal behavior throughout their adulthood, and unending refusal to ever take responsibility for their lives. "My dad didn't love me, so society owes me lifelong support!"
 
2012-12-22 01:03:19 PM  

Cymbal: There really is no way to prove her claims. But why would she make all this stuff up?

www.accesshollywood.com
"I read this study in Time magazine when I was at Cornell, which is an Ivy League school, and there were people, including my mother, who never believed I would make it into an Ivy League school. Maybe Ginger, who I met in marching in the eighth grade. And the study said people had nice, sympathetic feelings about people who were adopted, and treated them better. So I made up this adoption story, and people *did* treat me better. And when I got a job, one of my professors told people at Ralston Purina that I was this amazing guy that had accomplished all this in spite of being adopted. And so it was really *other* people who spread the story, not me. Although I admit it was wrong to start it and everything, it was other people who kept it going, even the people at ADM."
 
2012-12-22 01:04:01 PM  

DarkVader: Just another Heartland Weirdass: trivial use of my dark powers: Why haven't her parents been arrested AND these brothels selling sex with kids been closed down and all involved arrested? And beaten? And shot? In the kneecaps?

Because she made them up?
Ill go ahead and be the Adam Henry here. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Is there any proof of this?

Yeah, this sounds pretty fantastical to me. I think we may have another Duke rape on our hands here...


I'm wondering about the claim that her parents would leave her in brothels for weeks on end -- if she was a big overachiever in school, were brothel personnel dropping her off, or did they make sure only to send her there during vacations? Also, what sort of ads could her parents place in the Vietnamese language papers that would attract customers but not cause someone to call the police? If they were placed, there will presumably be a paper trail of some sort. I'm not saying something bad didn't happen to her, but those were two parts of the story that made me hope there's some confirming evidence they're not mentioning in the article, because otherwise, hmmm ....
 
2012-12-22 01:15:58 PM  
So the American Dream still works.
 
2012-12-22 01:23:07 PM  
Skepticism... your best friend

www.vokrugsveta.ru
 
2012-12-22 01:24:52 PM  
calcutta institute of technology?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-22 01:29:02 PM  
what was she wearing?
 
2012-12-22 01:32:11 PM  
here is the thing about crime, especially where lots of money is involved, Government is usually, if not always, a large silent partner in said crime.
This crime, being the fastest growing and all... well, let's just say I'd be mighty surprised if they where not involved,
 
2012-12-22 01:33:32 PM  
Happens all the time. When you lose your looks, you need another line of work.
 
2012-12-22 01:33:37 PM  
Well, this story tops farking in the library.
 
2012-12-22 01:33:43 PM  
Was she cuter back then?


LBFM?
 
2012-12-22 01:34:53 PM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: spidermilk: Since some of you are in complete disbelief at her story, here are some links:
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I'm not saying that this proves what she said is true, but it does prove that this stuff happens in this country.

I wont argue it does not happen. I am just not ready to believe her without some solid evidence.
Again, I'm a skeptic, not a denier.


I think what happens in these stories is her own definition for her life experiences changes. When she was young she probably accepted her sexual experiences as a 'normal' life. And I would expect with a large majority of teenagers, what she experiences was close enough to normal.

I would bet her parents got nothing for her spending time at the 'brothels' except the kind of community acceptance that inspires play-dates, sleepovers and road-trips. Her community probably had more of a culture of permissiveness. In non-puritan groups, if teenagers want to join in flirty or full relationships then it's just match making between families.

...and then she gets to college, learns that people want to find stories like hers to jeer at as the depths of depravity, and decides she can make a case for having been human trafficked.
 
2012-12-22 01:35:30 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Well, this story tops farking in the library.


Quiet, Please.
 
2012-12-22 01:37:44 PM  

spidermilk: Since some of you are in complete disbelief at her story, here are some links:

The U.S. State Department has estimated that approximately 600,000 to 800,000 victims are trafficked annually across international borders worldwide and approximately half of these victims are younger than age 18 (U.S. Department of State, 2005, 2006, 2007).

FBI Report on Human Trafficking in the US

-Federally funded task forces opened 2,515 suspected incidents of human trafficking for investigation between January 2008 and June 2010.
-About 8 in 10 of the suspected incidents of human trafficking were classified as sex trafficking, and about 1 in 10 incidents were classified as labor trafficking.
-The confirmed human trafficking incidents open for at least a year led to 144 known arrests.

I'm not saying that this proves what she said is true, but it does prove that this stuff happens in this country.


No one is disputing that this happens in the US. It's fairly common knowledge.
 
2012-12-22 01:40:13 PM  
You know, I feel shiatty saying this, but as someone who was messed with as a kid, the fact that she willingly stuck with the situation in return for tuition, even though she was out of there, even though she was a smart girl with options....that just pisses me right the fark off.

I know, I know...I don't know her, don't really know her story...but it does, and I can't help it. I am angered by this.
 
2012-12-22 01:43:56 PM  
Hero tag for the parents? They scared her sexually at a young age so she wouldn't be thinking about that sort of thing in college, and it worked really well.

/what do you mean they only have a middle seat left on this flight?
//can I at least get hot salted nuts?... oh...nevermind
 
2012-12-22 01:45:08 PM  
I know there is trafficking. But a few things don't add up.

1)usually when parents give up children for sex slavery- the brothel owns the kid- not rent them

2) why would the parents allow their little money maker to go to school? In fact- being a straight A student and active in school activities would take up too much time from whorin!.

3) message parlor/strip clubs as fronts? Sure. Cafe? Seems too risky as normal people would notice... And strange.

4) seems strange that she tell her parents off after they paid the final bill.
 
2012-12-22 01:49:41 PM  

RoyBatty: All in all, it's a strange news report because it doesn't provide obvious and relatively easily obtained details that might corroborate her story. Police reports, names or locations of these brothels, or customers, etc.


I agree - wouldn't these brothels that she was sold in have been investigated and either shut down (with multiple arrests) or found to just be cafes?  It really does seem like this is pretty easy to prove or disprove, as stories go.  I can't imagine that nobody has investigated these claims, as other children were and are being hurt in these places.  It is either incredibly shoddy reporting or something doesn't add up.
 
2012-12-22 01:52:14 PM  

sleeps in trees: Not saying one way or the other but this needs to be said.

I was 14ish before I realised that being sexually abused was wrong. I actually found out by watching some movie of the week with Ted Danson, Something About Ameilia, I think. I was raised by a wealthy, prominent, family. They were pillars of the community yet very insular. I was not allowed to form bonds, only select friends, and church. You usually go the overachiever or the trainwreck. Soas not to destroy the only life you know you do not say anything to anyone. The guilt is massive. The knowledge of services available is limited and when I was in my late teens it was not talked about. Getting into the mind games it plays on you, especially through puberty is a whole other ball of wax.

When I did leave home, I did not disclose because it would cut me off from everybody I know. After meeting my husband I recieved the support I needed. We disclosed (which is emotionally brutal) and were told point blank by the authorities, your word against theirs, you will end up going through hell and maybe if convicted they will get a suspended sentence.

Now in my 40s I have no contact with my parents, any family or any life I had before I disclosed. I bumped into a cousine once and the scuttlebut is that I was hypnotised and a memory was implanted. I shiat you not.

So, it's not always as easy as it seems.


To be sexually abuse by your parents is one thing...to be abused and made a sex slave is another.

I think there are aspects if her story that reads strange.
 
2012-12-22 01:57:07 PM  

sleeps in trees: Not saying one way or the other but this needs to be said.

I was 14ish before I realised that being sexually abused was wrong. I actually found out by watching some movie of the week with Ted Danson, Something About Ameilia, I think. I was raised by a wealthy, prominent, family. They were pillars of the community yet very insular. I was not allowed to form bonds, only select friends, and church. You usually go the overachiever or the trainwreck. Soas not to destroy the only life you know you do not say anything to anyone. The guilt is massive. The knowledge of services available is limited and when I was in my late teens it was not talked about. Getting into the mind games it plays on you, especially through puberty is a whole other ball of wax.

When I did leave home, I did not disclose because it would cut me off from everybody I know. After meeting my husband I recieved the support I needed. We disclosed (which is emotionally brutal) and were told point blank by the authorities, your word against theirs, you will end up going through hell and maybe if convicted they will get a suspended sentence.

Now in my 40s I have no contact with my parents, any family or any life I had before I disclosed. I bumped into a cousine once and the scuttlebut is that I was hypnotised and a memory was implanted. I shiat you not.

So, it's not always as easy as it seems.


Get real revenge. Live your life well. Let yourself be truly, deliriously happy.

/internet hug
 
2012-12-22 01:59:52 PM  

KarmaSpork: sleeps in trees: Not saying one way or the other but this needs to be said.

I was 14ish before I realised that being sexually abused was wrong. I actually found out by watching some movie of the week with Ted Danson, Something About Ameilia, I think. I was raised by a wealthy, prominent, family. They were pillars of the community yet very insular. I was not allowed to form bonds, only select friends, and church. You usually go the overachiever or the trainwreck. Soas not to destroy the only life you know you do not say anything to anyone. The guilt is massive. The knowledge of services available is limited and when I was in my late teens it was not talked about. Getting into the mind games it plays on you, especially through puberty is a whole other ball of wax.

When I did leave home, I did not disclose because it would cut me off from everybody I know. After meeting my husband I recieved the support I needed. We disclosed (which is emotionally brutal) and were told point blank by the authorities, your word against theirs, you will end up going through hell and maybe if convicted they will get a suspended sentence.

Now in my 40s I have no contact with my parents, any family or any life I had before I disclosed. I bumped into a cousine once and the scuttlebut is that I was hypnotised and a memory was implanted. I shiat you not.

So, it's not always as easy as it seems.

Get real revenge. Live your life well. Let yourself be truly, deliriously happy.

/internet hug


I hope her sex life isn't ruined. Always tough to tell which way something like that will go.

/Has worked for a shelter before.
//Couldn't take it for more than 2 yrs
 
2012-12-22 02:01:13 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: WhippingBoy: trivial use of my dark powers: Why haven't her parents been arrested AND these brothels selling sex with kids been closed down and all involved arrested? And beaten? And shot? In the kneecaps?

They have rights.

So, they're still living in Viet Nam rather than the states?


The parents still live in the San Francisco area and the mom denies the allegations .  Funny the mom owns a nail salon.  Nail salons are a common front for prostitution.
 
2012-12-22 02:04:59 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: I know there is trafficking. But a few things don't add up.
...
3) message parlor/strip clubs as fronts? Sure. Cafe? Seems too risky as normal people would notice... And strange.
...

No, most of the stuff on the news out here that involves Asian organized crime is either out of a cafe/restaurant, or out of a crappy suburban house. And they don't seem to get how the neighbors will complain if 800 cars are coming and going and parking on the lawn all day and night.
 
2012-12-22 02:06:05 PM  
Cal finally beats Stanford in something !
 
2012-12-22 02:08:53 PM  

big pig peaches: Shazam999: Just another Heartland Weirdass: trivial use of my dark powers: Why haven't her parents been arrested AND these brothels selling sex with kids been closed down and all involved arrested? And beaten? And shot? In the kneecaps?

Because she made them up?
Ill go ahead and be the Adam Henry here. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Is there any proof of this?

Yeah, I'd hate to be a cynic, but this sounds really fishy.

Maybe it's a personal coping mechanism, but my first thought was : smells like b.s. someone is looking for a book deal.


Apparently you've missed the articles published every now and then documenting how this stuff happens. The authorities know it happens. But unless the trafficked women speak up and agree to press charges, the perps walk. All those "Asian Massage" places on the interstate? Sex slaves. They keep their passports etc and pass the women around from one place to another. There's a very strong element of organized crime in the Vietnamese community and they treat people like this. And nobody says a word because the victims think that honor is more important, or they know that the police are the last ones you go to for help (that is true in most of the world), or they are convinced that their families will be killed by the gangs. And often the local authorities are bought off so that there's no trouble as long as the girls stay quiet.

And considering that the average prostitute begins her "career" at age 12, 10 years old isn't unbelievable. Once you start delving into the whole child sex trafficking issue, it becomes obvious that this sort of thing happens far more frequently than many people want to believe.

But no, what we really need to target are the illegal roofers. Because Americans will roof. And they will fark children. But they often won't sell their own children to one another to fark (although they will fark their own children, many of my past girlfriends went through that in their childhood). Therefore, illegal roofers take jobs, child prostitutes generally do not. So we go after the roofers rather than the criminal gangs.

The unusual thing is that she actually is saying what is going on. Most of the time, they won't say a thing because of a bunch of reasons. In this instance, she "worked off" the cost of raising her including college, just without any input into the matter. It probably was the parents' plan from the beginning. Hence the abuse before she turned 10. It was to condition her to the business. And yes there are families out there (from many backgrounds) who think along similar lines. Kids are expensive. Medical bills can pile up real quick. The kid incurrs debt, the kid can pay the debt off.
 
2012-12-22 02:10:06 PM  

sleeps in trees: KarmaSpork: sleeps in trees: Not saying one way or the other but this needs to be said.

I was 14ish before I realised that being sexually abused was wrong. I actually found out by watching some movie of the week with Ted Danson, Something About Ameilia, I think. I was raised by a wealthy, prominent, family. They were pillars of the community yet very insular. I was not allowed to form bonds, only select friends, and church. You usually go the overachiever or the trainwreck. Soas not to destroy the only life you know you do not say anything to anyone. The guilt is massive. The knowledge of services available is limited and when I was in my late teens it was not talked about. Getting into the mind games it plays on you, especially through puberty is a whole other ball of wax.

When I did leave home, I did not disclose because it would cut me off from everybody I know. After meeting my husband I recieved the support I needed. We disclosed (which is emotionally brutal) and were told point blank by the authorities, your word against theirs, you will end up going through hell and maybe if convicted they will get a suspended sentence.

Now in my 40s I have no contact with my parents, any family or any life I had before I disclosed. I bumped into a cousine once and the scuttlebut is that I was hypnotised and a memory was implanted. I shiat you not.

So, it's not always as easy as it seems.

Get real revenge. Live your life well. Let yourself be truly, deliriously happy.

/internet hug

Life is good, really good.


Great respect. Your strength and confidence to share and not let the bad you've experience direct who you will be is inspiring.

I was confused by a part of what you typed. You learned after meeting your cousin that you had a memory implanted? What was the gist of that? I took it as your family tried to have your memories changed to make you forget some stuff.
 
2012-12-22 02:10:46 PM  

sleeps in trees: Now in my 40s I have no contact with my parents, any family or any life I had before I disclosed. I bumped into a cousine once and the scuttlebut is that I was hypnotised and a memory was implanted. I shiat you not.


To play devil's advocate, how can you be sure this isn't true?
 
2012-12-22 02:10:47 PM  
I know it's been said already but dang, that sucks.
 
2012-12-22 02:11:11 PM  
Smells like bullshiat...
Statute of limitations in Cali would have her parents in jail.
 
2012-12-22 02:11:57 PM  
Her story seems made up to me. Maybe I'm too skeptical since I have heard "Obama is a Muslim" so earnestly repeated.

There is an interview from 2010 where she claims she recalls her father molesting her at the age of 2. Memories that early are rare and lack age associations.

You might check out "My Lie" by Meredith Maran. "During the 1980s and 1990s, tens of thousands of Americans became convinced that they'd repressed memories of childhood sexual abuse, and then, decades later, recovered those memories in therapy."
 
2012-12-22 02:12:08 PM  
Because no one at Berkley has ever invented shiat like this to further their career
 
2012-12-22 02:12:31 PM  

PreMortem: I know it's been said already but dang, that sucks.


Nguyen!
 
2012-12-22 02:16:29 PM  
sleeps in trees:

Life is good, really good.

They can take so many things. They can't take that.

/good on you
//first hand experience of a different kind
///need to talk or anything, EIP
 
2012-12-22 02:34:42 PM  

calbert: great, now Jada Pinkett Smith is going to bankroll her into a reality star like she did with the dog whisperer.


Sooooo... what?

Like the cock whisperer?
 
2012-12-22 02:44:00 PM  
While I am against the death penalty because of one state's habit of executing innocent people (I'm looking at you Texas), I would be all for making slavery (which includes sex trafficking) a capital offense (except in Texas).
 
2012-12-22 02:44:04 PM  
Actually, having read the farking poorly written article, she was pimped by Mom and Dad, not sold into slavery.

Still really shiatty situation, but the proper terminology isn't as inflammatory.

I'll admit I am jaded, but if she had been sold into slavery, in the US, her parents would be in prison right now. There is no statute of limitations on the slavery issue. Pimping charges run out after 10 years.
 
2012-12-22 02:44:09 PM  
I can feel nothing but pity for her future boyfriends (or girlfriends).
That's a LOT of psychological baggage and unresolved identity questions to carry around.
 
2012-12-22 02:59:20 PM  
oukewldave:

And why would she stay in it until college was done being paid for? Seems strange to me. Maybe she figured she may as well stick with it until she at least has a degree out of it?

Gee, you'd think she wanted to train for another career or something. Nobody ever goes to college when they can be whored out instead, right?!?

What do you want to be when you grow up, BIll?

"I want to be a doctor!"

"I want to be a lawyer," says Maryellen.

"oukewldave, what do you want to be?"

"I want to be SEX SLAVE! That way there's no math!"
 
2012-12-22 03:01:24 PM  
Honest Bender:

And that makes her a hero?

In common parlance a Hero is anyone Bad Things happen to who gets to live through it. We used to call that a Victim but 9/11 changed everything.
 
2012-12-22 03:17:40 PM  

RoyBatty:

She was abused at 2-3 years old by her father, and she was trafficked starting at 10 years old.


Wow, that can't happen in the real world, can it.


This even occurred in Berkeley, California for her first two years at Cal,

Prostitutes in Berkeley? Inconceivable!


even though her parents lived in Mountain View (or Los Altos) apparently, because her parents were paying her school bills.

Thr family business. If her parents were dairy farmers maybe she'd have to milk some cows; for her parents' money she had to milk pigs.


All in all, she brought in $2,000,000 dollars to her parents.

I do question any figure like that. It sounds like cop math. Do her parents keep detailed records? That it happened at all is bad enough, even if they gave her away for free.


All in all, it's a strange news report because it doesn't provide obvious and relatively easily obtained details that might corroborate her story.

I agree. No parent could ever be less than sweet to such a pretty baby girl. How dare she tell such lies!1!


Police reports, names or locations of these brothels, or customers, etc.

You know, I dunno, maybe... Maybe some of these people who'd pimp out or rape a 10 year old might get upset if their names were dragged through the mud in public? Like, you know, like it might involve some kind of criminal charges and maybe jail time, perhaps? And that sometimes people who do such things are not very nice when you piss them off? I know I'm really stretching here, it does sound far-fetched that somebody who'd pimp out kids or pay to rape them could ever hurt anybody, but still it's technically possible isn't it?

Sheesh. Is water wet on your planet?
 
2012-12-22 03:18:47 PM  

coco ebert: Why have these parents not been arrested executed again?


FTFY
 
2012-12-22 03:20:13 PM  
BigNumber12:

And yet I love listening to all of the poor, sad Americans who use their "tough childhood" as an excuse for continued terrible / criminal behavior throughout their adulthood, and unending refusal to ever take responsibility for their lives. "My dad didn't love me, so society owes me lifelong support!"

And this woman got through UCB with a 4.0 average.
 
2012-12-22 03:21:21 PM  
This was a documentary I saw a
couple years ago on msnbc. Its not fake.
 
2012-12-22 03:27:16 PM  
AverageAmericanGuy: Dang.
Dong

FTFY. She is Vietnamese after all.
 
2012-12-22 03:31:07 PM  
rogue_L_chick:

You know, I feel shiatty saying this, but as someone who was messed with as a kid, the fact that she willingly stuck with the situation in return for tuition, even though she was out of there, even though she was a smart girl with options....that just pisses me right the fark off.

Yeah, I know. She couldn't even have the decency to go on welfare or kill herself or anything like respectable American.

Some people deliver pizza to put themselves through college. Some people run up humongous credit card bills. And some people prostitute themselves, especially if they've already been doing it since they were 10.

I know it's hard to believe that anybody would do anything hard to make a better life for themselves in the future, but stranger things have happened.

This is not to say I believe every jot and tittle of everything she says, only that I watched on TV when astronauts walked in the moon. Sometimes ya gotta suspend disbelief.
 
2012-12-22 03:31:58 PM  
"We stopped by Dang's mother's nail salon in Mountain View. She refused our request for an on-camera interview, but denied ever selling her daughter."

So, where is proof? It's now her word against theirs.
 
2012-12-22 03:43:00 PM  
Anyone else go to a dark place when they read: "I mean she went above and beyond in everything she did,"

/does this flight to hell come with a movie?
 
2012-12-22 03:47:55 PM  
borg:

 Nail salons are a common front for prostitution.

They are?!? Oh. So NOW ya tell me. Here I sit thinking I'll never get a BJ again.

At least most of the Asian brothel hookers I read about here in KY, who work(ed) out of massage parlors and "day spas," are over 35. If you let your parents push you around at age 35 there's something wrong with you.
 
2012-12-22 04:10:43 PM  

The One True TheDavid: rogue_L_chick:

You know, I feel shiatty saying this, but as someone who was messed with as a kid, the fact that she willingly stuck with the situation in return for tuition, even though she was out of there, even though she was a smart girl with options....that just pisses me right the fark off.

Yeah, I know. She couldn't even have the decency to go on welfare or kill herself or anything like respectable American.

Some people deliver pizza to put themselves through college. Some people run up humongous credit card bills. And some people prostitute themselves, especially if they've already been doing it since they were 10.

I know it's hard to believe that anybody would do anything hard to make a better life for themselves in the future, but stranger things have happened.

This is not to say I believe every jot and tittle of everything she says, only that I watched on TV when astronauts walked in the moon. Sometimes ya gotta suspend disbelief.


I am not saying she should have folded and let life kick her ass...nor am I so convinced she could have done anything other than what she did. I am merely confused by her situation and the method/timing/etc of her declaration. It is so far removed from how I understand things and my own motivators that I am just...confused. That's all. No good way to describe it. I am in no way saying there is a "right" way to handle such a life, I am certainly not one to know. I just don't get it.
 
2012-12-22 04:42:40 PM  
Liberal policies allowed her robe placed in that horrible lifestyle.
 
2012-12-22 04:48:03 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Honest Bender:

And that makes her a hero?

In common parlance a Hero is anyone Bad Things happen to who gets to live through it. We used to call that a Victim but 9/11 changed everything.



Ulysses. It makes her like Ulysses.
 
2012-12-22 04:49:21 PM  

sleeps in trees: jst3p: sleeps in trees: Now in my 40s I have no contact with my parents, any family or any life I had before I disclosed. I bumped into a cousine once and the scuttlebut is that I was hypnotised and a memory was implanted. I shiat you not.

To play devil's advocate, how can you be sure this isn't true?

I never was under hypnosis,


How would you know?

and a lot of people said they thought something fishy was going on including the family doctor.


That makes sense, and I was just fooling around anyway.
 
2012-12-22 04:56:35 PM  

spidermilk: Pestifer: I didn't see anything to back the story up. Nothing to refute it, but, you know, extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence.

I guess that is why her parents haven't been arrested or anything. How could she possibly prove it unless some of the people came forward and admitted to what they did?

That said, it is pretty well documented that human trafficking and sex slaves exist in the US.


it's not human trafficking just because your parents pimp you out.
I know the articles title is in fact "Berkeley Woman Breaks Chains of Human Trafficking", but you can't let the journalist do the thinking for you. she wasn't bought or sold by anyone. just pimped out by her parents.
I will also say the story sounds fairly unlikely, although it of course is not impossible.
how did she continue to be pimped out when she went away to college? were her parents setting stuff up on craigslist and having the johns send paypal payments to them instead of giving cash to her? the logistics sound ridiculous. in all events, this was not human trafficking.
there was no recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons.
 
2012-12-22 04:57:55 PM  
This sort of thing absolutely happens often enough that this could be true.

But it isn't trafficking. This girl appears to be the victim of both sexual exploitation and severe child abuse, but the "trafficking" terminology seems to be here because that's the current buzzword for all victims of commercial sexual exploitation.
 
2012-12-22 04:57:58 PM  

The One True TheDavid: In common parlance a Hero is anyone Bad Things happen to who gets to live through it. We used to call that a Victim but 9/11 changed everything.

 
2012-12-22 05:07:59 PM  

RenownedCurator: DarkVader: Just another Heartland Weirdass: trivial use of my dark powers: Why haven't her parents been arrested AND these brothels selling sex with kids been closed down and all involved arrested? And beaten? And shot? In the kneecaps?

Because she made them up?
Ill go ahead and be the Adam Henry here. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Is there any proof of this?

Yeah, this sounds pretty fantastical to me. I think we may have another Duke rape on our hands here...

I'm wondering about the claim that her parents would leave her in brothels for weeks on end -- if she was a big overachiever in school, were brothel personnel dropping her off, or did they make sure only to send her there during vacations? Also, what sort of ads could her parents place in the Vietnamese language papers that would attract customers but not cause someone to call the police? If they were placed, there will presumably be a paper trail of some sort. I'm not saying something bad didn't happen to her, but those were two parts of the story that made me hope there's some confirming evidence they're not mentioning in the article, because otherwise, hmmm ....


Everyone knows that cops can't read Vietnamese newspapers!
 
2012-12-22 05:13:34 PM  

The One True TheDavid: borg:

At least most of the Asian brothel hookers I read about here in KY, who work(ed) out of massage parlors and "day spas," are over 35.


Read about?

Yeah, right....
 
2012-12-22 05:24:59 PM  
RenownedCurator:
" what sort of ads could her parents place in the Vietnamese language papers that would attract customers but not cause someone to call the police? If they were placed, there will presumably be a paper trail of some sort."

Well around here the regular newspapers are full of ads for prostitutes barely disguised as massage parlors. I'm sure there are code words you can use, even "young" which does not necessarily mean illegal.

And as mentioned above, there is a significant underground organized crime scene in the viet community. It wouldn't be hard to get an underage prostitute if you get the connections.

I live right in the middle of an area with dozens of these cafes. I've never heard of them as fronts for brothels, shoot I know a girl that works in them, they're basically strip clubs operating without a license. So I'm not surprised if some are fronts for brothels. Lord knows a lot of gangsters hang out there all day.
 
2012-12-22 05:27:03 PM  
If she wants to help, she could work with police and finger all the front businesses.

As for skepticism, yeah, probably horrrible stuff happened but it got exaggerated in her understandably broken mind. I recall a story about a nun in central america a few years ago who was raped by her captors. Not only was she raped, which probably did happen, but she said they cut numerous holes in her with knives and raped the holes. Mmm, no. You'd be dead if that happened, sister. Thing was, at the time people who commented with ANY skepticism of her story were lambasted as 'supporting' the vile captors. Some people just don't get it.
 
2012-12-22 05:31:09 PM  

o'really: RenownedCurator:
" what sort of ads could her parents place in the Vietnamese language papers that would attract customers but not cause someone to call the police? If they were placed, there will presumably be a paper trail of some sort."

Well around here the regular newspapers are full of ads for prostitutes barely disguised as massage parlors. I'm sure there are code words you can use, even "young" which does not necessarily mean illegal.

And as mentioned above, there is a significant underground organized crime scene in the viet community. It wouldn't be hard to get an underage prostitute if you get the connections.

I live right in the middle of an area with dozens of these cafes. I've never heard of them as fronts for brothels, shoot I know a girl that works in them, they're basically strip clubs operating without a license. So I'm not surprised if some are fronts for brothels. Lord knows a lot of gangsters hang out there all day.


how did her parents do it when she is away at college and you are in san jose?
maybe she was pimped out as a kid, but then when she was older decided the sacrifice was worth the reward, like the violin.
 
2012-12-22 05:50:28 PM  
Relcec: "how did her parents do it when she is away at college and you are in san jose?
maybe she was pimped out as a kid, but then when she was older decided the sacrifice was worth the reward, like the violin."

Ever heard of stockholm syndrome? Maybe she thought she deserved the abuse or owed it to her parents. Vietnamese culture is super heavy on familial duty and obligation/respect to parents and elders.

You think her parents could only control her when she was living under their roof? Berkeley is not that far from los altos or san jose, she could've still been living at home. I know people who make that daily commute.

Ever considered that someone would continue living in an unbearable situation because they feel unable to break free of it for reasons of financial hardship or emotional abuse? Consider women in physically abusive relationships. They may feel their life is in danger if they break ties, they may feel they deserve the abuse, they may feel an emotional obligation to their abuser.

Pimps don't usually hold their girls in line by using physical chains, they use emotional manipulation. Her parents were pimps, she probably didn't feel emotionally strong enough to leave their grasp until she hit 20.

But yes, maybe she thought the sacrifice was worth the reward. The sacrifice of continuing something awful to get what she wanted, which was freedom. That doesn't make her not a victim.
 
2012-12-22 05:50:49 PM  
Prostitutes in Berkeley? Inconceivable!

www.move2needham.com

/oblig
 
2012-12-22 06:04:49 PM  
This is Fark, so I clicked this discussion looking for pics of hot Asian sex slaves, and am leaving incredibly disappointed.
 
2012-12-22 06:06:01 PM  
Very skeptical of her story. And even if one buys into the possibility that a victim finds it difficult to impossible to prosecute relatives, what about all the other children at these brothel fronts?

Not buying it. Not even a little.

Additionally, I do not know of any severely abused child who managed to pull a 4.0 AND all those extra after school activities while the abuse was occuring. I don't even know of neglected children who can manage that. Let alone ones being left for 3-4 weeks at a time in a brothel.

Unfortunately people are able to more easily make claims of false attacks, sexual assault, abuse, and illness because we consider it almost taboo to challenge someone on these things. The battle cry is often one of piling abuse upon those abused, or 'see this is why victims stay silent'.

However, I think it's far worse when people create false stories, because that more than anything leads to questioning the veracity of all claims. Not that we shouldn't question them, but it can lead to skepticism which at times is unreasonable. Given the absolute lack of correlating facts of any sort, other than the person's own accounts...it's reasonable IMO to be skeptical.

And in this case, I just don't think it rings true at all. Worse still it's difficult to hope one is wrong given the alternative.

Regardless of whether she's being honest or not, I think she could use some serious help.
 
2012-12-22 06:07:38 PM  

o'really: But yes, maybe she thought the sacrifice was worth the reward. The sacrifice of continuing something awful to get what she wanted, which was freedom. That doesn't make her not a victim.


never said she wasn't a victim. I'd argue about the hero thing though.
and for at least a part of it she appears to have been a willing participant. I'll note the decision to break contact the second she found out the last tuition bill was paid.
 
2012-12-22 06:33:32 PM  
relcec:

"never said she wasn't a victim. I'd argue about the hero thing though."

I don't know the whole story. Tv news stations rarely research issues well or provide facts to flesh out stories. I'm not saying it did or didn't happen exactly as reported, which is pretty vague from the one article.

But clearly some people see her as a hero for her willingness to go forward and expose herself to the kind of criticism and jokes seen here.

Would you consider her a hero if she'd not accepted any money from her parents to go to school?
 
2012-12-22 06:37:48 PM  
Sex slave AND they sent her to Cal??! The bastards!

/snark
//trafficing/sex slavery happens, good for her for overcoming her past.
 
2012-12-22 06:39:34 PM  

o'really: relcec:

"never said she wasn't a victim. I'd argue about the hero thing though."

I don't know the whole story. Tv news stations rarely research issues well or provide facts to flesh out stories. I'm not saying it did or didn't happen exactly as reported, which is pretty vague from the one article.

But clearly some people see her as a hero for her willingness to go forward and expose herself to the kind of criticism and jokes seen here.

Would you consider her a hero if she'd not accepted any money from her parents to go to school?


I'd consider her a hero if she put herself in harms way attempting to save the life of someone when she had no employment related, moral, or legal obligation to do so.
 
2012-12-22 07:11:54 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Dang.


No Nguyen situation.
 
2012-12-22 07:11:57 PM  

relcec: o'really: relcec:

"never said she wasn't a victim. I'd argue about the hero thing though."

I don't know the whole story. Tv news stations rarely research issues well or provide facts to flesh out stories. I'm not saying it did or didn't happen exactly as reported, which is pretty vague from the one article.

But clearly some people see her as a hero for her willingness to go forward and expose herself to the kind of criticism and jokes seen here.

Would you consider her a hero if she'd not accepted any money from her parents to go to school?

I'd consider her a hero if she put herself in harms way attempting to save the life of someone when she had no employment related, moral, or legal obligation to do so.



Can you define "in harms way"?
 
2012-12-22 07:26:17 PM  

bintherdunthat: relcec: o'really: relcec:

"never said she wasn't a victim. I'd argue about the hero thing though."

I don't know the whole story. Tv news stations rarely research issues well or provide facts to flesh out stories. I'm not saying it did or didn't happen exactly as reported, which is pretty vague from the one article.

But clearly some people see her as a hero for her willingness to go forward and expose herself to the kind of criticism and jokes seen here.

Would you consider her a hero if she'd not accepted any money from her parents to go to school?

I'd consider her a hero if she put herself in harms way attempting to save the life of someone when she had no employment related, moral, or legal obligation to do so.


Can you define "in harms way"?


you know harm? think bad.
in the way of that.
 
2012-12-22 07:31:36 PM  
risk of injury, death, or otherwise serious negative personal consequences (loss of a professional license, valued personal relationships, community ostracization, etc).
 
2012-12-22 07:50:59 PM  

relcec: risk of injury, death, or otherwise serious negative personal consequences (loss of a professional license, valued personal relationships, community ostracization, etc).



This sounds like a form of organized crime. Organized crime types sometimes try to make life unpleasant for people who cross them.
 
2012-12-22 08:12:16 PM  
honestly, i smell BS. i've met alot of people who would go to that extreme just to get attention.

just sayin her story sounds off. why would her parents pay for her college completely if they are making so much off renting her out? why are no charges being filed?
 
2012-12-22 08:20:14 PM  

gravebayne2: honestly, i smell BS. i've met alot of people who would go to that extreme just to get attention.

just sayin her story sounds off. why would her parents pay for her college completely if they are making so much off renting her out? why are no charges being filed?


I think it may be true.
perhaps the facts surrounding her prostitution in college, like only cutting ties with her parents after they made the last tuition payment and then immediately, have the prosecutors worrying about the likelihood of a conviction.
justice isn't the only factor weighed in the prosecute/not prosecute calculation.
 
2012-12-22 08:37:24 PM  
relcec:
"risk of injury, death, or otherwise serious negative personal consequences (loss of a professional license, valued personal relationships, community ostracization, etc)."

You don't think she has put herself at risk of community ostracization?
 
2012-12-22 09:11:57 PM  

o'really: relcec:
"risk of injury, death, or otherwise serious negative personal consequences (loss of a professional license, valued personal relationships, community ostracization, etc)."

You don't think she has put herself at risk of community ostracization?


no.
why would the community ostracize her? do vietnamese stone to death whores or something that I'm unaware of?
the community is praising her *breaking the chains of human trafficking*. are other Berkley alumni likely to shun her?

also I'm not sure who this is helping. her parents only are alleged to have turned her out. will receiving this medal and key to the city convince someone to finally drop a dime on human traffickers they previously have been protecting for whatever reason? I doubt it. it's like a PSA. its a feel good story, former child prostitute makes good. very admirable indeed. very admirable, but I don't get the reflexive desire to label every victim that ever gets up out of the dirt, dusts themselves off and makes good a hero.

you can still call her a hero. you can call the cop or fireman who does his job a hero. the mom who has a moral obligation to save her baby a hero for doing so. the common carrier that has a legal duty to use the utmost diligence to protect their passengers a hero for doing so. the attorney general who prosecutes organized crime a hero. you can even call every victim of any horrible crime that gets a degree a hero if it makes you feel good to confer the honor of hero upon people.
I'll reserve it for someone who doesn't have an obligation to act and takes a significant risk to do so.
 
2012-12-22 09:27:05 PM  

loonatic112358: if she gets breast implants and a Ferrari, keep her the hell away from microwaves


Yes, finally - something that is actually obscure...
 
2012-12-22 09:32:02 PM  
Surprising how a California news site has an entire article about Minh Dang without mentioning that she's with the group behind the state's recent Proposition 35. Considering how successful the initiative was, they had no reason not to acknowledge her effort behind it.
 
2012-12-22 09:33:10 PM  
I'm not saying this doesn't take courage and her climb out of abyss isn't admirable.
 
2012-12-22 10:09:34 PM  
Yes, I realize that she was definitely not trafficked, but I'm just saying that if there is lots of evidence that people are trafficked as sex slaves in the US then it was possible that her story of being a sex slave was true. Meh could be true or could not be- I don't see an overwhelming reason why either side would be more possible. I just wanted you guys to understand that sex slaves do exist in the US.

And I still stand by her being a hero. I personally think that it is a no-brainer to take a bullet for a kid or your wife, or to sacrifice yourself for them. Yea, it takes courage and is heroic. If you didn't take the bullet for them think of the incredible guilt you'd live with.

But deciding to come forward and admit and openly discuss years of sexual abuse takes incredible amounts of courage, especially because you could just try to forget it all and let it go away. If she is lying, yea maybe she is doing it for herself. If she isn't, it takes extreme bravery to come forward and the ONLY reason to be public about it is to try to help others come forward or to stop it.
 
2012-12-22 10:12:19 PM  
Fair 'nuff.
 
2012-12-22 11:36:30 PM  

kokomo61: I'm sorry she had to make a choice like that....but she stayed in that situation until they paid the final tuition bill. I can't judge her, but it does make my head spin.


I suppose after doing it for years and years and years, even if she hated it, it had become such an integral part of her normal life that it seemed like a smaller sacrifice to her than it would to us. Perhaps she saw it as making some use of all the money that her parents wrang out of her in order to make sure that she would have the tools to take care of herself and separate from her parents for good. It's difficult to imagine how living that way from age 10 would change your perspective on things.
 
2012-12-22 11:44:10 PM  
When asked why they did it when busted for prostitution in another country, which do you think is the most frequent answer:

a. I'm just a whore and I thought it was a good way to make money, or:
b. I had no idea that I was going to be more than a waitress, I was forced!

I hope authorities come up with the numbers for this sort of thing they are not just relying on the answers they get.

/Not saying it isn't real or isn't a problem, just wonderin'
 
2012-12-22 11:48:06 PM  
Wow, a lot of skeptics here seem give a great deal of creedence to their own wildly uninformed speculation. Unsurprisingly, most of that speculation seems to revolve around not understanding what it is like to be a victim of sexual abuse from a young age. You can't expect that someone who has been victimized from at 10 would act the same way YOU would; it is absurd to talk about what you think someone should or shouldn't do in a situation completely different from yours, and then proceed to make assumptions about their motivations or actions based on that. Oh well, welcome to Fark I suppose.
 
2012-12-22 11:56:28 PM  
Came to make a crude comment, but after watching that video I simply cannot do so. Instead, way to rise above the horror around you. I wish you the very best of luck in life.
 
2012-12-23 12:53:29 AM  

calbert: great, now Jada Pinkett Smith is going to bankroll her into a reality star like she did with the dog whisperer.


With Pinkett Smith involved, it's only a matter of time before that poor woman's "whoring" for L Ron.
 
2012-12-23 01:43:14 AM  
*locks door to padded room with offending parental figures inside*

Let's see; pliers, pigs, rope, hooks, duct tape, shears, lighters, zippos, handcuffs, thumbcuffs, water, portable stove, pans, butter, filet knife, 600-thread-count towel, stereo system, Spice Girls album, screwdriver. Earplugs.

/that's day one
//offending persons should be sent to general pop, and the GP should be asked to let them survive as long as possible.
 
2012-12-23 06:23:02 AM  
Cool now she can hit up Dyncorp for back pay.
 
2012-12-23 06:25:00 AM  

Pestifer: I didn't see anything to back the story up. Nothing to refute it, but, you know, extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence.


That's pre-9/11 thinking.
 
2012-12-23 06:30:31 AM  

spidermilk: Honest Bender: And that makes her a hero?

I think what makes her a hero is coming forward NOW and wanting to stop sex slavery...

now that she's made enough from it to get a college education.
 
2012-12-23 06:58:35 AM  

Bacontastesgood: If she wants to help, she could work with police and finger all the front businesses.


Snort!
 
2012-12-23 10:46:52 AM  

sleeps in trees: Not saying one way or the other but this needs to be said.

I was 14ish before I realised that being sexually abused was wrong.


I'm profoundly sorry that happened to you - my sympathies.

But I'm also stunned that you were 14 before you realised it was wrong. I can understand being trapped in a situation (being too scared to tell anyone), or not realising because you're in some cult or stone-age culture where child-abuse is the norm, but I can't wrap my head around someone in a first-world country not knowing that it was wrong. Isolation from your peers explains a small part of it, but didn't you get taught this in primary school? Home-schooled maybe? I'm pretty sure we first touched on the subject in grade 1 (in Oz). It was part of health class every year, along with stranger-danger, don't-be-a-bully, and slip-slop-slap. I still remember the song: "My body's nobody's body but mine."
 
2012-12-24 02:01:23 PM  

spidermilk: Honest Bender: And that makes her a hero?

I think what makes her a hero is coming forward NOW and wanting to stop sex slavery.


If it was disproven, wouldn't that be just as detrimental to her cause as a woman who cried rape on a man who was never near her?
 
2012-12-24 02:24:19 PM  

Gawdzila: Wow, a lot of skeptics here seem give a great deal of creedence to their own wildly uninformed speculation. Unsurprisingly, most of that speculation seems to revolve around not understanding what it is like to be a victim of sexual abuse from a young age. You can't expect that someone who has been victimized from at 10 would act the same way YOU would; it is absurd to talk about what you think someone should or shouldn't do in a situation completely different from yours, and then proceed to make assumptions about their motivations or actions based on that. Oh well, welcome to Fark I suppose.


You're looking through the lens of automatic belief. Others are looking through the lens of having seen people desperate for attention, sympathy, or money make up stories out of others' suffering, often because they feel their own lives are too dull to interest an audience. And the stories are usually outlandish. For someone like that, telling everyone isn't difficult at all; in fact, making the tears flow is probably the hardest part of the telling. Not that I know or really care whether her story is true.

Ultimately, the best that can be done is to reserve judgment (or believe whatever you want) and continue helping victims still stuck in the system regardless. Legalizing and heavily regulating prostitution would go part way toward that, although there will always be sick farks willing to go underground for their twisted fetishes at a bargain. At least it drives some of the business into the open, so people could concentrate on stuff that's still kept in the shadows.
 
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