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2012-12-22 10:34:15 AM
I'd need more information on these "bomb making" materials. Doesn't everyone have some bomb making materials in their home?

I went to school with this kid that drew really neat, albeit violent, pictures which including guns, people shooting each other, etc. Teacher found them one day, told him that he had a lot of talent, and nothing happened of it.
 
2012-12-22 10:37:08 AM
Funny, I have chemical weapon materials in my home.

Not just my wife's cooking either.
 
2012-12-22 10:43:31 AM
So, my kitchen cabinets are filled with bombs and I'm a bad person. And I should feel bad.
 
2012-12-22 10:52:45 AM
Wait, wait, he drew pictures of guns in a notebook, like most high school boys, and he's going to jail?

WTF.
 
2012-12-22 10:54:50 AM

marius2: I'd need more information on these "bomb making" materials. Doesn't everyone have some bomb making materials in their home?


B-b-but this teenager had *gasp* "electronics" too.
 
2012-12-22 10:55:34 AM
I used to draw tanks and fighter jets and never got in trouble, and we're not even allowed to own those.

I hate inconsistency!
 
2012-12-22 10:56:40 AM
I'm pretty sure we all do indeed have bomb making components in our homes. Kind of scary what you can be arrested for, but when  people get super jumpy and upset, as is understandable right now, don't be shocked when the cops snatch  up the nearest sullen teenager with the exact same stuff in their homes.
 
2012-12-22 10:56:57 AM
Not just a picture of jail, but also a pile of building materials that could be used to make a prison.

I've got a broken radio, a bottle of windex, and a first-aid kit with iodine in it. Guess I'll be charges with terrorism.
 
2012-12-22 10:57:15 AM
Draw a picture of the teacher during pregnancy and see if they arrest her for child mind rape.
 
2012-12-22 10:57:38 AM

airsupport: Wait, wait, he drew pictures of guns in a notebook, like most high school boys, and he's going to jail?

WTF.


^ This. I mean, damn, I was thinking of ways to  make firearms when I was 12.

/PVC tubing, the wonder-part for any kid who wants to shoot rocks further than the eye can see.
 
2012-12-22 10:57:43 AM

marius2: I'd need more information on these "bomb making" materials. Doesn't everyone have some bomb making materials in their home?


I have a jug of a liquid that under some conditions can explode. In the summer I put it in the lawn mower and in the winter in the snow blower. I also have diesel fuel and miracle grow, not sure if you can do any thing other drive the car and grow tomatoes but can't be too sure.

I think they need, and might have, something to show intent and not just an artist with some chemicals the COULD be dangerous.
 
2012-12-22 11:00:01 AM
I hope more sane thinking prevails in this case.


It will be pretty sad for the system if it does not.
 
2012-12-22 11:00:55 AM
ZERO TOLERANCE PEOPLE
OBEY OR DIE!
Every house that has a cabinet with cleaning products has what it takes to make an 'explosive devise'.
Never heard of a 'works' bomb? But wait! Theres more!! Mix product A with product B and you get flames!
I hope the judge understands what is going on and stomps on the cops, but I doubt it, this kid is facing a life behind bars because of some drawings.
 
2012-12-22 11:01:56 AM
The far left has truly gone of the deep end.
 
2012-12-22 11:03:34 AM
csb-
I had to switch schools because I drew a picture of an explosion in the third grade.

/good thing they never found the missiles hiding under the mattress
 
2012-12-22 11:04:35 AM

marius2: I'd need more information on these "bomb making" materials. Doesn't everyone have some bomb making materials in their home?

I went to school with this kid that drew really neat, albeit violent, pictures which including guns, people shooting each other, etc. Teacher found them one day, told him that he had a lot of talent, and nothing happened of it.


Thread

Anyone with a pool or cleaning supplies has ingredients to make a bomb and more than enough to make a chemical weapon.

What are we going to do when people figure out how ridiculously easy it is to make mustard gas?
 
2012-12-22 11:04:48 AM
What tipped them off? Was it the vinegar and baking soda? Or did he have dry ice and water?
 
2012-12-22 11:04:58 AM
"O'er the land of the _______, and the home of the _______..."
 
2012-12-22 11:05:43 AM
Yeah the local press is having a field day with this one, but the more people ask questions about just what *specifically* required such a reaction from police, school, etc., the less info they're willing to provide.

Electronics and components that *could* be used to create an explosive device. Such as if the kid was an R/C enthusiast, HAM radio operator, or several dozen other hobbies. In one article from the Philly newspaper which first covered the story, the police acknowledged that the kid hadn't built anything, but that because components found could be repurposed, that they were treating it like a credible threat.

WTF? Check underneath your kitchen sink. There are components there which could be repurposed into some really nasty stuff, but that doesn't mean that you're going to do it. If you're going to upend this kid's (and his family's) life, I'd expect there to be a better explanation than this.

Thankfully, there are lot of people in the immediate area who are making a stink about just what has the authorities so scared, because on the face of it this sounds like BS.

I've got no problem playing it safe, but if this is just because some teacher overreacted, it needs to be called for the paranoid BS that it is.
 
2012-12-22 11:07:37 AM
What exactly gave the police the right to search his home? That sounds extremely far outside the realm of probable cause.
 
2012-12-22 11:09:06 AM
[csb]

My mom used to teach in an inner-city middle school. She had a particularly troubled kid in one of her classes. One day he left behind on his desk a drawing of a person pointing a handgun at a large and a small person. When questioned, he said that it was him pointing the gun at my mother and her grandson. He had drawn the gun in enough detail that the school security guard (an ex cop) feared the kid might have access to one like it. Police executed a search warrant on the kids home and sure enough, his step father kept a loaded, unlocked pistol in the apartment.

Although the kid was taken out of my mom's class, he was allowed to stay in school, and my mom continued to see him daily until she took early retirement at the end of that year. Nothing was ever done about his access to the weapon.

She's now a spiritual counselor in a hospice. She still works with people with no future, but at least now they're grateful and unthreatening.

[/csb]
 
2012-12-22 11:09:43 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: What exactly gave the police the right to search his home? That sounds extremely far outside the realm of probable cause.


I'm guessing that the parents gave permission.
 
2012-12-22 11:10:44 AM
Police then searched the boy's home on the 300 block of East Spencer Lane and found several electronic parts and several types of chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion, police say.

So a tv and household cleaning supplies?
 
2012-12-22 11:13:40 AM
i.imgur.com
What the teacher might look like.
 
2012-12-22 11:14:28 AM
It was the bean burritos... wasn't it?
 
2012-12-22 11:16:30 AM

give me doughnuts: Not just a picture of jail, but also a pile of building materials that could be used to make a prison.

I've got a broken radio, a bottle of windex, and a first-aid kit with iodine in it. Guess I'll be charges with terrorism.


God forbid they have a pool & a car.... they would be charged with terrorism
 
2012-12-22 11:17:23 AM
Diet coke and Mentos?
 
2012-12-22 11:19:02 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: What exactly gave the police the right to search his home?


The fact that the kid drew a picture of an object which could be used to kill or injure people gave them the right to search for proof that he has the physical wherewithal to create objects which could be used to kill or injure people.
 
2012-12-22 11:19:07 AM

Fat-D: marius2: I'd need more information on these "bomb making" materials. Doesn't everyone have some bomb making materials in their home?

I went to school with this kid that drew really neat, albeit violent, pictures which including guns, people shooting each other, etc. Teacher found them one day, told him that he had a lot of talent, and nothing happened of it.

Thread

Anyone with a pool or cleaning supplies has ingredients to make a bomb and more than enough to make a chemical weapon.

What are we going to do when people figure out how ridiculously easy it is to make mustard gas?


I hear Grey Poupon is the best brand to use...
 
2012-12-22 11:19:37 AM
BUDDA BUDDA BUDDA!

Now you're all dead to me.
 
2012-12-22 11:19:44 AM
The two final sentences in the article confirm to me the injustice of the whole thing:

"Authorities say that students and teachers at the school were never in any danger nor were any threats made.
The student was placed in Haborfields Juvenile Detention Center. "


So, he's in kid jail in spite of putting no one in danger and not making any threats.
 
2012-12-22 11:20:47 AM
Is there an actual law requiring one to act more cautiously during a moral panic? Is there no freedom stay put on your personal beachhead of social disorder amid a rising tide of intolerance for disorder?

If we take this sort of thinking to a ridiculous extreme, what if America was attacked by a foreign enemy, and that somehow resulted in America invading a completely uninvolved country behaving the same as they were before the attack they had nothing to do with?
 
2012-12-22 11:20:50 AM
Another life ruined in the rush to be as pants-wettingly hysterical as possible in the Home of the Brave.
 
2012-12-22 11:21:58 AM

SN1987a goes boom: Police then searched the boy's home on the 300 block of East Spencer Lane and found several electronic parts and several types of chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion, police say.

So a tv and household cleaning supplies?


tljmuseum.fc2web.com
Bisquick?
 
2012-12-22 11:24:41 AM
When I was in grade 7, I wrote a story for a creative-writing assignment which included a part where I described how my parents would sometimes lock me in the bathroom for days, feeding me nothing but water and empty peanut shells which they would slide under the door.

It was just a story that, at the time, I thought was quite entertaining and humorous. I imagine if any kid wrote a story like that today, Child Services or the police would paying a visit to the home.
 
2012-12-22 11:24:50 AM
United States of Crap Our Pants and run around in a panic.

Do they know a bomb can be made from flour?

Oh no, I'm on the list, aren't I?
 
2012-12-22 11:25:29 AM
My school books used to be a Nazi slaughter zone. G.I.s gunning Nazis down with machine guns. G.I.s blowing Nazis up with hand grenades. G.I.s running Nazis through with bayonets. Basically you could draw all the gory violence you wanted as long as it was Nazis on the receiving end.

"Ghastly, I'm a little concerned with the doodles on the back of your binder."

"Well of course YOU are... you ANTI-SEMITE!"

"Um.... carry on".

Of course once I reached grade seven then it became Gatchaman killing Nazis.
 
2012-12-22 11:25:43 AM

Rufus Lee King: Ehcks: I used to draw tanks and fighter jets and never got in trouble, and we're not even allowed to own those.

I hate inconsistency!

Yep, fighter jets were a popular subject for notebook drawings. I got caught drawing one during class in sixth grade, and felt ill-used when the teacher kept me in at recess. Hell, guess I was lucky.


You are lucky you didn't draw a robot with guns for arms shooting a plane made of guns that shoot guns.
 
2012-12-22 11:25:46 AM
The land of the freeeeep, and the home of the slaaaave....
 
2012-12-22 11:26:44 AM
He must have discovered the school pedophile and/or drug ring.
 
2012-12-22 11:28:14 AM
This reminds me of the old "National Lampoon" or Harvard Lampoon" story about a gang bust where the villains were discovered to have a garage with a dozen or so old glass pop bottles, old rags, and a car with a tank ominously half full of flammable liquid. The police described it as clearly being a Molotov cocktail factory.
 
2012-12-22 11:28:33 AM
This is the death-knell for potato guns.

/the terrorists have won, dammit
 
2012-12-22 11:29:08 AM
Student: What if I just draw a picture of several electronic parts and several types of chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion...would that be okay?
 
2012-12-22 11:31:34 AM

wambu: This is the death-knell for potato guns.

/the terrorists have won, dammit


They won on 9/12, when we became a land of cowards giving up our rights for the illusion of security.
 
2012-12-22 11:32:47 AM

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: What tipped them off? Was it the vinegar and baking soda? Or did he have dry ice and water?


Mentos and Diet Coke.

/the evil bastard
 
2012-12-22 11:33:59 AM
I need more information before I engage my outrage.

I know, bad farker. I should be shouting for the death the school administration and the cops involved.

But seeing how the article just said that the student "demonstrated behavior that caused concern", and the police "found several electronic parts and several types of chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion", that doesn't give me enough information to be truly outraged.

Did the police search his home finding different chemicals they could tie together or was there a pile of chemicals and electronics in the corner of the garage just waiting to be assembled?
Was the student acting out "violently" and then the teacher noticed the drawings or was the teacher the paranoid type and leapt to conclusions?

With out knowing all the information, either the school and police acted out of line or they possibly stopped another school killing.

Gotta love Fark.

If the teacher and police ignore the above and next week, this student blew the school up, you Farkers would still be outraged... "The school should have noticed and did something..." or "the police saw the bomb makings.... they should have intervened sooner"....

Sorry to interrupt a little reality in to your rantings...

Carry on Fark. Carry on. Bring out your pitchforks and torches.
 
2012-12-22 11:34:39 AM

arghhh: Student: What if I just draw a picture of several electronic parts and several types of chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion...would that be okay?


Then this would be you.
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-22 11:36:41 AM

arghhh: Student: What if I just draw a picture of several electronic parts and several types of chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion...would that be okay?


Reported.
 
2012-12-22 11:37:32 AM
HindiDiscoMonster

They won on 9/12, when we became a land of cowards giving up our rights for the illusion of security.


It's been 12 years and I have yet to be subject to an abuse of power. Police aren't busting down my door because the government "took my rights away". Hasn't happened once.
 
2012-12-22 11:38:55 AM
So let me get this straight: The part of Due Process, where the LAW has to show INTENT to commit a crime, no longer applies to anyone, especially a child, in the wake of a violent crime committed against children. Does that about cover it? I just want to make sure I know which parts of the Constitution to cut out and file under "lost."
 
2012-12-22 11:38:59 AM

King Something: BraveNewCheneyWorld: What exactly gave the police the right to search his home?

The fact that the kid drew a picture of an object which could be used to kill or injure people gave them the right to search for proof that he has the physical wherewithal to create objects which could be used to kill or injure people.


"That drawing of a dot looks a lot like a shotgun pellet. Up against the wall, kid."
 
2012-12-22 11:39:36 AM
I am ok with teachers evaluating kids who might be disturbed. I am Ok with authorities following these leads to determine risk. But the response should not be to punish the kid, but to help him with mental health services, or isolate and monitor him if he is truly dangerous. Many people have rightly noted that these outbreaks of violence are symptoms, not causes. Trying to squash the symptom without addressing the underlying causes only results in a new symptom being formed.
 
2012-12-22 11:40:46 AM
I'm surprised there isn't a description of the authorities looking at his Facebook or Twitter account, finding something along the lines of, "Fark my life," and claiming he was suicidal too.
 
2012-12-22 11:41:52 AM
The student's barber says he was very quiet whenever he went for a haircut.
 
2012-12-22 11:43:53 AM

xkillyourfacex: HindiDiscoMonster

They won on 9/12, when we became a land of cowards giving up our rights for the illusion of security.

It's been 12 years and I have yet to be subject to an abuse of power. Police aren't busting down my door because the government "took my rights away". Hasn't happened once.


Boy do you derp hard... you know precisely what i am talking about, and ingnore the fact that "giving" is a word that implies we are still doing it to this day all in the name of the boogyman... oops, I mean terrorist. Also i love how you read into what i said and add concepts i did not express...
 
2012-12-22 11:47:04 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: What exactly gave the police the right to search his home? That sounds extremely far outside the realm of probable cause.


They probably bullied him and the parents into allowing it. No warrant required when you can scare the shiat out of people that don't know their rights or don't think they're worth protecting.

Imagine some middle class mom at home watching Oprah when 10 vans full of cops in black clothing show up and tell her her son is a suspected maniac. She's so shocked she just lets them tear the house apart. Most families would fold under these circumstances.
 
2012-12-22 11:48:51 AM

marius2: I'd need more information on these "bomb making" materials. Doesn't everyone have some bomb making materials in their home?

I went to school with this kid that drew really neat, albeit violent, pictures which including guns, people shooting each other, etc. Teacher found them one day, told him that he had a lot of talent, and nothing happened of it.


When I was in 8th Grade, circa 1992, I wrote a short story in English about a science fair where a kid brings a homemade plasma rifle.

He demonstrates it by blasting some targets out on the football field. Then a bully snatches the rifle from his hands and tries to shoot it, only to be fried when he pulled the trigger because he was using it wrong.

Nowadays I'd probably end up suspended for writing a story about bringing a gun to school or something like that.
 
2012-12-22 11:49:51 AM
And the stupid ones think that the end isn't uppon us. Suppression, surveilance, enslavement. Is a fart in an elevator now prosecutable as a bio-chemical assault?
 
2012-12-22 11:50:23 AM

Silverstaff: marius2: I'd need more information on these "bomb making" materials. Doesn't everyone have some bomb making materials in their home?

I went to school with this kid that drew really neat, albeit violent, pictures which including guns, people shooting each other, etc. Teacher found them one day, told him that he had a lot of talent, and nothing happened of it.

When I was in 8th Grade, circa 1992, I wrote a short story in English about a science fair where a kid brings a homemade plasma rifle.

He demonstrates it by blasting some targets out on the football field. Then a bully snatches the rifle from his hands and tries to shoot it, only to be fried when he pulled the trigger because he was using it wrong.

Nowadays I'd probably end up suspended for writing a story about bringing a gun to school or something like that.


Maybe expelled... for the children.
 
2012-12-22 11:50:34 AM

wambu: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: What tipped them off? Was it the vinegar and baking soda? Or did he have dry ice and water?

Mentos and Diet Coke.

/the evil bastard


Something just doesn't seem right about that. Don't most young people drink Pepsi (because of its sickeningly, disgustingly, sweet taste)?
 
2012-12-22 11:51:26 AM
WTF. Isn't Camden in NJ?

The kid probably deserves it, after turning down the teacher's advances.
 
2012-12-22 11:59:21 AM
FTA: ...several types of chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion...

Like sulfuric acid and ethylene glycol antifreeze? Which can be found under the hood of nearly every car? I'll turn myself in immediately!

/And buy an air-cooled Porsche.
 
2012-12-22 12:02:58 PM

Popcorn Johnny: BraveNewCheneyWorld: What exactly gave the police the right to search his home? That sounds extremely far outside the realm of probable cause.

I'm guessing that the parents gave permission.


They had no choice. Failure to voluntarily cooperate is grounds is "probable cause" nowadays as well as an admission of guilt and consent to incarceration.

/"throw the kid under the bus" is the new face of parental responsibilty

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-22 12:05:44 PM
Police then searched the boy's home on the 300 block of East Spencer Lane and found several electronic parts and several types of chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion, police say.

They found a cell phone in the living room and the cleaning supplies under the kitchen sink.
 
2012-12-22 12:10:00 PM
Today's school standards would have had me expelled a hundred times over. I used to draw spaceships and phasor guns and all sorts of cool things in little flipbooks to distract myself from the monotony of class.

Gasp! I also used to talk to friends about building potato cannons, that probably would have me in a PMITA prison nowadays.

Fear has won. The terrorists have won. We are so scared of ourselves we don't need to fear anyone else any longer. We're readily handing away liberty out of fear.
 
2012-12-22 12:24:54 PM

BizarreMan: Diet coke and Mentos?


Bleach and ammonia. He was planning a gas attack. Or his mom was going to clean the house. But we can't be too careful.
 
2012-12-22 12:38:42 PM
Yeah, no one should ever draw guns:

Delacroix:
drewblood.com

Goya:
drewblood.com

Remington:
drewblood.com

Warhol:
drewblood.com

Hey, there's even one from Jersey:
drewblood.com
 
2012-12-22 12:38:48 PM

MycroftHolmes: Trying to squash the symptom without addressing the underlying causes only results in a new symptom being formed.


Worse than that... by treating people like criminals for no reason, it very well might contribute to any pre-existing feelings of being an outcast and actually increase the number of these incidents when the victims of the pants-wetting over reactions feel even less connected to society.

They might be creating a feedback loop of sorts.
 
2012-12-22 12:39:06 PM
www.teufelaffe.com
You can have my drawing of a gun when you pry it from my cold, dead web server.
 
2012-12-22 12:42:57 PM

Teufelaffe: [www.teufelaffe.com image 246x155]
You can have my drawing of a gun when you pry it from my cold, dead web server.


Terrorist, why do you hate America?
 
2012-12-22 12:45:49 PM
I hope they actually found something of a threat, but the OMG filter is telling them to withhold details and reassure people [a.k.a. "lie"] in their publication to say, 'there were no threats'.

I want to believe that there was really a threat and they are just spinning it, because the thought that there was no threat and they still incarcerated a kid just scares the hell out of me.
 
2012-12-22 12:49:38 PM
Aluminum from cans and some powdered rust. Pretty sure Farkers will have those at home.
 
2012-12-22 12:55:05 PM
My high school drawings from 20 years ago would probably have had the same consequence. People need to mellow the f*ck out.
 
2012-12-22 12:58:48 PM
I am forcing myself to assume that the article has left out several very important pieces of information that justify this whole episode in an attempt to stave off my growing urge to run screaming and naked into traffic.

Because dying naked and crushed in the middle of a city street on a cold day is better than believing a minor's home was searched and he was incarcerated due to the presence of common household chemicals, some electronics and the fact that he drew a gun in a notebook at school.
 
2012-12-22 01:21:29 PM
I can't really judge, id have to see pictures of the drawings and the so called bomb making materials, which i am betting exist in more than 50% of us Households.
 
2012-12-22 01:25:16 PM
School officials made the decision to contact authorities.

Unless the police discovered a manifesto during the raid (and they would have said they did -- the cops are attention whores when it comes to this kind of 'public safety'), this sounds like a lawsuit to me.

Are there any local farkers that can keep an eye out for the eventual page 10 retraction? (Local Student Not A Terrorist, Just Weird)?
 
2012-12-22 01:33:08 PM

that was my nickname in highschool: [csb]

My mom used to teach in an inner-city middle school. She had a particularly troubled kid in one of her classes. One day he left behind on his desk a drawing of a person pointing a handgun at a large and a small person. When questioned, he said that it was him pointing the gun at my mother and her grandson. He had drawn the gun in enough detail that the school security guard (an ex cop) feared the kid might have access to one like it. Police executed a search warrant on the kids home and sure enough, his step father kept a loaded, unlocked pistol in the apartment.

Although the kid was taken out of my mom's class, he was allowed to stay in school, and my mom continued to see him daily until she took early retirement at the end of that year. Nothing was ever done about his access to the weapon.

She's now a spiritual counselor in a hospice. She still works with people with no future, but at least now they're grateful and unthreatening.

[/csb]


She must have been a real coont if her student wanted to kill her.
 
2012-12-22 01:50:13 PM

obamadidcoke: She must have been a real coont if her student wanted to kill her.


Well that's a nice thing to say.

She was as tough as one had to be in a school like that, but she never yelled at or insulted her students.
 
2012-12-22 01:58:54 PM

Ghastly: My school books used to be a Nazi slaughter zone. G.I.s gunning Nazis down with machine guns. G.I.s blowing Nazis up with hand grenades. G.I.s running Nazis through with bayonets. Basically you could draw all the gory violence you wanted as long as it was Nazis on the receiving end.

"Ghastly, I'm a little concerned with the doodles on the back of your binder."

"Well of course YOU are... you ANTI-SEMITE!"

"Um.... carry on".

Of course once I reached grade seven then it became Gatchaman killing Nazis.


And look how normal you turned out! Professional cartoonist and everything.


/I keed, I keed.
 
2012-12-22 02:03:52 PM
Praising the teacher for making a big deal out of nothing.

FAIL
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-22 02:03:52 PM
So...just the drawing of a gun. No threat to go along with it???

So this is education, sit down shut up, learn just enough that you need for a test and so much as draw any form of weapon in any context and it's a permanent suspension?

Now, a few years ago I remember listening to an NPR interview with a few teachers who had their asses kicked by school bullies. Injuries that resulted in hospital visits and medical care and the students could not be removed from school for policy reasons. But draw a gun and you get your place searched and you are expelled.

As for the electronics and chemicals, what if they were his parents?
 
2012-12-22 02:05:32 PM
This is so farked up. I need to know exactly what they found at the house to draw a final conclusion. But the fact that they can arrest a kid and search his home just because he drew a farking picture is scary!
 
2012-12-22 02:20:28 PM
"He drew a gun!"
"OMG! AHHHH..."
"With a pencil."
"AHhhhhhh... Wait. What?"
 
2012-12-22 02:22:13 PM
CSB:

My Junior year of high school I took a business management course. It was fun, learned a lot. The last six weeks was a make your own fake business. So me and a friend of mine competed with each other (same course, same teacher, different periods, same project). We both came up with military surplus stores. Mine was a front for a COBRA style terrorist organization bent on ruling the world. His store wasn't so much a front as just blatantly saying "Need funding to conquer you, selling our surplus and lemonade". His store was also designed to include tank treads and covered in armor and weaponry. My store designed included anti armor missiles that weren't for sell, just to be used to take out his store first. My supplies were gathered by stealing them from military bases by use of blackmailing officers in charge of supplies and blackmailing congressmen as well as fake trucks and drivers to pick up the supplies straight from the factories. Advertisements included things like having what you needed to get that next pay raise, show your boss why he should not have fired you, punish that jerk for sleeping with your girl as well as getting back at the skank who either cheated on you or dumped you. Site security included land mines and M-60s hidden in hollowed out trees.

I got a B. I would have gotten an A, but my business was a grocery list of felonies, terrorism and a war crime or two.

That year I also took accounting and failed because on the final project I embezzled over 2 million dollars. I asked her if I would have gotten an A if I hadn't have gotten caught. She said no.

Good thing I graduated from high school in 1997.
 
2012-12-22 02:39:26 PM

airsupport: Wait, wait, he drew pictures of guns in a notebook, like most high school boys, and he's going to jail?

WTF.


FFS I'm 37 and I still do that. Later guys, I'm heading down to the precinct to surrender myself.
 
2012-12-22 02:41:15 PM

Ehcks: I used to draw tanks and fighter jets and never got in trouble, and we're not even allowed to own those.

I hate inconsistency!


I had a classmate who was obsessed over fighter jets. He and I both enjoyed building models of fighter jets, playing fighter jet themed video games and enjoying movies like Top Gun and Iron Eagle, but that was pretty much where our common interests ended. I wanted to do ROTC in college, get into the flight program and fly jets for a living. My JROTC instructor in high school was a Vietnam era fighter pilot and told me stories and what I needed to do if I seriously wanted to be a fighter pilot. My dad was in the Air Force (enlisted) and was working as a support person in the ROTC unit at a college working with a bunch of the cadets who were going to become pilots.

One day our Senior year I was walking back from lunch talking to my friend who was obsessed with fighter jets. I asked him if he had any plans after high school and he said no. I said "What about your love of jets? Why not join the Air Force and become a pilot?" He said "I am not doing that stupid shiat." I was surprised. This is like saying "I know I like watching NASCAR, and my favorite movie is Days of Thunder, and I build race car models, place racing video games, but become a race car driver for NASCAR? I'm not doing anything that stupid." We got to his classroom and he showed me the project that he was so proud of. A poster for Economic Security for his Economics class. A drawing of a fighter jet with a phrase explaining how that was going to protect the nation's economy. I put on a smile and said "That's great." In a tone of voice that conveyed how awful I really thought it was. Next morning in my economics class (same teacher) she posted all the posters from the previous day, his wasn't up there. He was also one of those five year high school students.
 
2012-12-22 03:00:39 PM
CSB time

When I was a kid, our math teacher assigned us a problem to write a story using metric measurement terms, but without using them as measurement terms. I was assigned kilogram. Pretty standard for my brain to turn that into Kill a gram. So I turned it into the story of Red Riding Hood, where the wolf kills the "gramma". It wasn't graphic, just Red showing up at the cottage, and asking the Wolf why he'd want to Kill a Gram. The teacher tried to make a federal case of it, clearly I was a disturbed child. Luckily, that was in the early 80's. If that was today, I'm sure I'd be sent to Guantanamo.
 
2012-12-22 04:08:08 PM

Great Janitor: Now, a few years ago I remember listening to an NPR interview with a few teachers who had their asses kicked by school bullies. Injuries that resulted in hospital visits and medical care and the students could not be removed from school for policy reasons. But draw a gun and you get your place searched and you are expelled.


I'm surprised they don't plant drawings of guns on those kids then ;)
 
2012-12-22 04:15:10 PM
I found a local interview with his mom here

And the weapon he drew?

A glove with fangs on it.
 
2012-12-22 04:22:07 PM

DoomPaul: A glove with fangs on it.


Fangs? I heard flames.

Not that it would matter either way, just what I heard.
 
2012-12-22 04:25:48 PM

jack21221: DoomPaul: A glove with fangs on it.

Fangs? I heard flames.

Not that it would matter either way, just what I heard.


After listening to it again, you're right she said flames not fangs.

Either way, I, for one, am glad that our state authorities have detained such an enemy of the state. Such terrorist imagery is a clear threat to our security as a nation, and to our children.

i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-22 04:27:04 PM

Glass Parking Lot Attendant: So let me get this straight: The part of Due Process, where the LAW has to show INTENT to commit a crime, no longer applies to anyone, especially a child, in the wake of a violent crime committed against children. Does that about cover it? I just want to make sure I know which parts of the Constitution to cut out and file under "lost."


Technically intent is only relevant if the legislature specifies in the law that it is relevant. We do have laws like statutory rape where intent doesn't matter.

I'm more concerned about the concept of probable cause here. Linking pictures of guns to believing the kid has them in his home is a very very long stretch of the imagination. I'm shocked that a judge would have agreed with a search warrant.
 
2012-12-22 04:55:09 PM
Years ago, when my nephew was in high school, he was given a JROTC assignment to write a report on the history of one aspect of military technology. He decided to do his on individual standard-issue weapons. He went to the school library, pulled all the information, including pictures, and produced his research paper. A teacher spotted it, he was sent to the principal's office, and given a week's suspension for the "violent imagery".

His dad blew a gasket and confronted the principal. "A member of your staff gave him an assignment that was directly relevant to his course of study; he used resources that you provided him in your facility to complete the assignment, excellently I might add, and now you're going to punish him for doing exactly what was asked of him? Oh hell no. This will be dropped immediately or the School Board and whoever else needs to be involved will be. Do I make myself clear?"

The suspension was dropped and my nephew got an A on the paper.
 
2012-12-22 04:58:11 PM
My daughter now an adult is a talented artist. While in high school she was assigned a project to draw something from a print ad or magazine. She found inspiration in some of my old Heavy Metal magazines and found a pitcure of a female robot in a somewhat aggressive pose.

The picture was approved and she began her project. The project was a large portion of her grade.

In our very rural school district guns and hunting are common. ( I hunt and own guns as well.) Many of my daughters school mates chose pictures of hunting scene, guns and kills.

All went well until my daughter added nipples resembling hex nuts to her picture. The teacher freaked out. My daughter was a corrupting influence! The sketch was obscene and not appropriate for the art room! Conferences were conducted that even two of the local Baptist preachers attended. (As concern boar members)

She relented and drew a nippleless robot and it was displayed in a hallway next to sketches of Miller beer bottles and gutted deer. She toed the line outwardly but engaged in a relentless campaign of subtly bucking the system. She drew pastoral scenes and then, after securing her grade, added a little mayhem. In English Lit she chose all the pieces that were banned. When she left school we gifted copies of "Welcome to the Monkey House" to the school.

If she were in school today she might have been placed under arrest instead of just hounded by the good Baptists and Evangelicals of Small Town, MI.
 
2012-12-22 04:59:25 PM
I drew swastikas on my backpack when I was 14. I wasn't a skinhead, or affiliated with any of those groups, I was just bored and fixated on drawing random crap that made me look tough. I had a Hogan sticker somewhere on there as well.
 
2012-12-22 05:24:14 PM
But the UK is the Nanny State, right?
 
2012-12-22 09:29:46 PM

DoomPaul: jack21221: DoomPaul: A glove with fangs on it.

Fangs? I heard flames.

Not that it would matter either way, just what I heard.

After listening to it again, you're right she said flames not fangs.

Either way, I, for one, am glad that our state authorities have detained such an enemy of the state. Such terrorist imagery is a clear threat to our security as a nation, and to our children.

[i45.tinypic.com image 341x450]


You got to admit, he cleans up nice and respectable. Looks almost like an entirely different person.
 
2012-12-22 10:14:30 PM

DoomPaul: jack21221: DoomPaul: A glove with fangs on it.

Fangs? I heard flames.

Not that it would matter either way, just what I heard.

After listening to it again, you're right she said flames not fangs.

Either way, I, for one, am glad that our state authorities have detained such an enemy of the state. Such terrorist imagery is a clear threat to our security as a nation, and to our children.

[i45.tinypic.com image 341x450]


You know, paint a funny little mustache on that guy and he looks like someone familiar from the history books. From the WW2 era. Germany, I think.

Just saying.
 
2012-12-22 11:36:16 PM

Brother Head: I need more information before I engage my outrage.

I know, bad farker. I should be shouting for the death the school administration and the cops involved.

But seeing how the article just said that the student "demonstrated behavior that caused concern", and the police "found several electronic parts and several types of chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion", that doesn't give me enough information to be truly outraged.

Did the police search his home finding different chemicals they could tie together or was there a pile of chemicals and electronics in the corner of the garage just waiting to be assembled?
Was the student acting out "violently" and then the teacher noticed the drawings or was the teacher the paranoid type and leapt to conclusions?

With out knowing all the information, either the school and police acted out of line or they possibly stopped another school killing.

Gotta love Fark.

If the teacher and police ignore the above and next week, this student blew the school up, you Farkers would still be outraged... "The school should have noticed and did something..." or "the police saw the bomb makings.... they should have intervened sooner"....

Sorry to interrupt a little reality in to your rantings...

Carry on Fark. Carry on. Bring out your pitchforks and torches.


welp, this is how I see it: usually, when there's some actual meat behind a story, the press is all about getting into the nitty gritty details... and they climb over each other to one-up the other local news network to show how good their investigative reporter teams are. The more details they can sensationalize, the better. Here, we have none of those details. We are left to assume that there are, in fact, no details to be had.
 
2012-12-23 01:42:34 AM
"Police then searched the boy's home on the 300 block of East Spencer Lane and found several electronic parts and several types of chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion, police say."

I build my own computers. I'm a graphic designer and artist who also draws comics. Comics with guns and knives and swords and people shooting death rays out from their hands. And I have cleaning supplies under the sinks in my bathroom, and kitchen, plus more chemicals in the trunk of my car.

If I were subject to the same type of scrutiny as this kid by the kneejerk morans in this particular school, they would probably accuse me of planning WWIII.
This is what happen when you don't count to ten and take a deep breath before doing something stupid.
 
2012-12-23 01:42:55 AM
Police then searched the boy's home on the 300 block of East Spencer Lane and found several electronic parts and several types of chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion, police say.

In the shed of just about every damn person on the east coast is chemicals that when mixed together can cause an explosion.  And you can cannibalize any household electronics to facilitate that.

SO glad I'm not in school anymore.  I draw guns all the time.  God forbid they saw a page of my sketch book and then looked in my shed!  I'd be in jail for being an artist and caring about the maintenance of my home!
 
2012-12-23 07:14:10 AM
This appears to all be be the result of  a teacher over-reacting and a pricipal thinking "better to ruin a kids life than to lose my job" along with plolice believeing "well, if the principal called us, the threat is credible and if we say he's a terrorist, HE'S A GODDAM TERRORIST".

I hope they all get their asses handed to them for their cowardly, flawed thinking and behavior, but they'll probably be hailed as "Sandy Hook Heros".

/we have a bunch of assholes in charge
 
2012-12-23 12:40:44 PM

xkillyourfacex: HindiDiscoMonster

They won on 9/12, when we became a land of cowards giving up our rights for the illusion of security.

It's been 12 years and I have yet to be subject to an abuse of power. Police aren't busting down my door because the government "took my rights away". Hasn't happened once.


Lucky you. I am at 4-5 so far:

1. Blocked from getting a re-entry visa in 2002, so had to forego a trip home.
2. Harassed by immigration at IAH x3 by meatheads who appear to think their 90 IQ power trip supercedes the constitution (I make sure to use EWR now)
3. Have my luggage rummaged and shiat damaged every time I transport used electronics
 
2012-12-23 06:34:17 PM
As others have said, I am SO glad I'm not in school anymore. With my childhood fascination with the military and my propensity for drawing war scenes, military aircraft, and guns, I would be labeled a nutcase and thrown in juvenile detention.

I know that I'll probably get some kind of "derp" label for saying this, but I don't recognize this country any more. I know that sounds cliche' and makes me seem like a crusty old bastard, but DAMN, America. WTF?? I used to have hope for the future of our nation. Not any more. There is no way a civilization that is this weak and this stupid can have any hope for a future. We will truly go the way of the dodo bird. And I kind of think we'll deserve it...
 
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