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(CBS Philadelphia)   Student to be sentenced to a picture of prison   (philadelphia.cbslocal.com) divider line 95
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2012-12-22 10:34:15 AM  
I'd need more information on these "bomb making" materials. Doesn't everyone have some bomb making materials in their home?

I went to school with this kid that drew really neat, albeit violent, pictures which including guns, people shooting each other, etc. Teacher found them one day, told him that he had a lot of talent, and nothing happened of it.
 
2012-12-22 10:37:08 AM  
Funny, I have chemical weapon materials in my home.

Not just my wife's cooking either.
 
2012-12-22 10:43:31 AM  
So, my kitchen cabinets are filled with bombs and I'm a bad person. And I should feel bad.
 
2012-12-22 10:52:45 AM  
Wait, wait, he drew pictures of guns in a notebook, like most high school boys, and he's going to jail?

WTF.
 
2012-12-22 10:54:50 AM  

marius2: I'd need more information on these "bomb making" materials. Doesn't everyone have some bomb making materials in their home?


B-b-but this teenager had *gasp* "electronics" too.
 
2012-12-22 10:55:34 AM  
I used to draw tanks and fighter jets and never got in trouble, and we're not even allowed to own those.

I hate inconsistency!
 
2012-12-22 10:56:40 AM  
I'm pretty sure we all do indeed have bomb making components in our homes. Kind of scary what you can be arrested for, but when  people get super jumpy and upset, as is understandable right now, don't be shocked when the cops snatch  up the nearest sullen teenager with the exact same stuff in their homes.
 
2012-12-22 10:56:57 AM  
Not just a picture of jail, but also a pile of building materials that could be used to make a prison.

I've got a broken radio, a bottle of windex, and a first-aid kit with iodine in it. Guess I'll be charges with terrorism.
 
2012-12-22 10:57:15 AM  
Draw a picture of the teacher during pregnancy and see if they arrest her for child mind rape.
 
2012-12-22 10:57:38 AM  

airsupport: Wait, wait, he drew pictures of guns in a notebook, like most high school boys, and he's going to jail?

WTF.


^ This. I mean, damn, I was thinking of ways to  make firearms when I was 12.

/PVC tubing, the wonder-part for any kid who wants to shoot rocks further than the eye can see.
 
2012-12-22 10:57:43 AM  

marius2: I'd need more information on these "bomb making" materials. Doesn't everyone have some bomb making materials in their home?


I have a jug of a liquid that under some conditions can explode. In the summer I put it in the lawn mower and in the winter in the snow blower. I also have diesel fuel and miracle grow, not sure if you can do any thing other drive the car and grow tomatoes but can't be too sure.

I think they need, and might have, something to show intent and not just an artist with some chemicals the COULD be dangerous.
 
2012-12-22 11:00:01 AM  
I hope more sane thinking prevails in this case.


It will be pretty sad for the system if it does not.
 
2012-12-22 11:00:55 AM  
ZERO TOLERANCE PEOPLE
OBEY OR DIE!
Every house that has a cabinet with cleaning products has what it takes to make an 'explosive devise'.
Never heard of a 'works' bomb? But wait! Theres more!! Mix product A with product B and you get flames!
I hope the judge understands what is going on and stomps on the cops, but I doubt it, this kid is facing a life behind bars because of some drawings.
 
2012-12-22 11:01:56 AM  
The far left has truly gone of the deep end.
 
2012-12-22 11:03:34 AM  
csb-
I had to switch schools because I drew a picture of an explosion in the third grade.

/good thing they never found the missiles hiding under the mattress
 
2012-12-22 11:04:35 AM  

marius2: I'd need more information on these "bomb making" materials. Doesn't everyone have some bomb making materials in their home?

I went to school with this kid that drew really neat, albeit violent, pictures which including guns, people shooting each other, etc. Teacher found them one day, told him that he had a lot of talent, and nothing happened of it.


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Anyone with a pool or cleaning supplies has ingredients to make a bomb and more than enough to make a chemical weapon.

What are we going to do when people figure out how ridiculously easy it is to make mustard gas?
 
2012-12-22 11:04:48 AM  
What tipped them off? Was it the vinegar and baking soda? Or did he have dry ice and water?
 
2012-12-22 11:04:58 AM  
"O'er the land of the _______, and the home of the _______..."
 
2012-12-22 11:05:43 AM  
Yeah the local press is having a field day with this one, but the more people ask questions about just what *specifically* required such a reaction from police, school, etc., the less info they're willing to provide.

Electronics and components that *could* be used to create an explosive device. Such as if the kid was an R/C enthusiast, HAM radio operator, or several dozen other hobbies. In one article from the Philly newspaper which first covered the story, the police acknowledged that the kid hadn't built anything, but that because components found could be repurposed, that they were treating it like a credible threat.

WTF? Check underneath your kitchen sink. There are components there which could be repurposed into some really nasty stuff, but that doesn't mean that you're going to do it. If you're going to upend this kid's (and his family's) life, I'd expect there to be a better explanation than this.

Thankfully, there are lot of people in the immediate area who are making a stink about just what has the authorities so scared, because on the face of it this sounds like BS.

I've got no problem playing it safe, but if this is just because some teacher overreacted, it needs to be called for the paranoid BS that it is.
 
2012-12-22 11:07:37 AM  
What exactly gave the police the right to search his home? That sounds extremely far outside the realm of probable cause.
 
2012-12-22 11:09:06 AM  
[csb]

My mom used to teach in an inner-city middle school. She had a particularly troubled kid in one of her classes. One day he left behind on his desk a drawing of a person pointing a handgun at a large and a small person. When questioned, he said that it was him pointing the gun at my mother and her grandson. He had drawn the gun in enough detail that the school security guard (an ex cop) feared the kid might have access to one like it. Police executed a search warrant on the kids home and sure enough, his step father kept a loaded, unlocked pistol in the apartment.

Although the kid was taken out of my mom's class, he was allowed to stay in school, and my mom continued to see him daily until she took early retirement at the end of that year. Nothing was ever done about his access to the weapon.

She's now a spiritual counselor in a hospice. She still works with people with no future, but at least now they're grateful and unthreatening.

[/csb]
 
2012-12-22 11:09:43 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: What exactly gave the police the right to search his home? That sounds extremely far outside the realm of probable cause.


I'm guessing that the parents gave permission.
 
2012-12-22 11:10:44 AM  
Police then searched the boy's home on the 300 block of East Spencer Lane and found several electronic parts and several types of chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion, police say.

So a tv and household cleaning supplies?
 
2012-12-22 11:13:40 AM  
i.imgur.com
What the teacher might look like.
 
2012-12-22 11:17:23 AM  
Diet coke and Mentos?
 
2012-12-22 11:19:02 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: What exactly gave the police the right to search his home?


The fact that the kid drew a picture of an object which could be used to kill or injure people gave them the right to search for proof that he has the physical wherewithal to create objects which could be used to kill or injure people.
 
2012-12-22 11:19:37 AM  
BUDDA BUDDA BUDDA!

Now you're all dead to me.
 
2012-12-22 11:19:44 AM  
The two final sentences in the article confirm to me the injustice of the whole thing:

"Authorities say that students and teachers at the school were never in any danger nor were any threats made.
The student was placed in Haborfields Juvenile Detention Center. "


So, he's in kid jail in spite of putting no one in danger and not making any threats.
 
2012-12-22 11:20:47 AM  
Is there an actual law requiring one to act more cautiously during a moral panic? Is there no freedom stay put on your personal beachhead of social disorder amid a rising tide of intolerance for disorder?

If we take this sort of thinking to a ridiculous extreme, what if America was attacked by a foreign enemy, and that somehow resulted in America invading a completely uninvolved country behaving the same as they were before the attack they had nothing to do with?
 
2012-12-22 11:20:50 AM  
Another life ruined in the rush to be as pants-wettingly hysterical as possible in the Home of the Brave.
 
2012-12-22 11:21:58 AM  

SN1987a goes boom: Police then searched the boy's home on the 300 block of East Spencer Lane and found several electronic parts and several types of chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion, police say.

So a tv and household cleaning supplies?


tljmuseum.fc2web.com
Bisquick?
 
2012-12-22 11:24:41 AM  
When I was in grade 7, I wrote a story for a creative-writing assignment which included a part where I described how my parents would sometimes lock me in the bathroom for days, feeding me nothing but water and empty peanut shells which they would slide under the door.

It was just a story that, at the time, I thought was quite entertaining and humorous. I imagine if any kid wrote a story like that today, Child Services or the police would paying a visit to the home.
 
2012-12-22 11:24:50 AM  
United States of Crap Our Pants and run around in a panic.

Do they know a bomb can be made from flour?

Oh no, I'm on the list, aren't I?
 
2012-12-22 11:25:29 AM  
My school books used to be a Nazi slaughter zone. G.I.s gunning Nazis down with machine guns. G.I.s blowing Nazis up with hand grenades. G.I.s running Nazis through with bayonets. Basically you could draw all the gory violence you wanted as long as it was Nazis on the receiving end.

"Ghastly, I'm a little concerned with the doodles on the back of your binder."

"Well of course YOU are... you ANTI-SEMITE!"

"Um.... carry on".

Of course once I reached grade seven then it became Gatchaman killing Nazis.
 
2012-12-22 11:25:43 AM  

Rufus Lee King: Ehcks: I used to draw tanks and fighter jets and never got in trouble, and we're not even allowed to own those.

I hate inconsistency!

Yep, fighter jets were a popular subject for notebook drawings. I got caught drawing one during class in sixth grade, and felt ill-used when the teacher kept me in at recess. Hell, guess I was lucky.


You are lucky you didn't draw a robot with guns for arms shooting a plane made of guns that shoot guns.
 
2012-12-22 11:26:44 AM  
He must have discovered the school pedophile and/or drug ring.
 
2012-12-22 11:28:14 AM  
This reminds me of the old "National Lampoon" or Harvard Lampoon" story about a gang bust where the villains were discovered to have a garage with a dozen or so old glass pop bottles, old rags, and a car with a tank ominously half full of flammable liquid. The police described it as clearly being a Molotov cocktail factory.
 
2012-12-22 11:28:33 AM  
This is the death-knell for potato guns.

/the terrorists have won, dammit
 
2012-12-22 11:29:08 AM  
Student: What if I just draw a picture of several electronic parts and several types of chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion...would that be okay?
 
2012-12-22 11:32:47 AM  

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: What tipped them off? Was it the vinegar and baking soda? Or did he have dry ice and water?


Mentos and Diet Coke.

/the evil bastard
 
2012-12-22 11:33:59 AM  
I need more information before I engage my outrage.

I know, bad farker. I should be shouting for the death the school administration and the cops involved.

But seeing how the article just said that the student "demonstrated behavior that caused concern", and the police "found several electronic parts and several types of chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion", that doesn't give me enough information to be truly outraged.

Did the police search his home finding different chemicals they could tie together or was there a pile of chemicals and electronics in the corner of the garage just waiting to be assembled?
Was the student acting out "violently" and then the teacher noticed the drawings or was the teacher the paranoid type and leapt to conclusions?

With out knowing all the information, either the school and police acted out of line or they possibly stopped another school killing.

Gotta love Fark.

If the teacher and police ignore the above and next week, this student blew the school up, you Farkers would still be outraged... "The school should have noticed and did something..." or "the police saw the bomb makings.... they should have intervened sooner"....

Sorry to interrupt a little reality in to your rantings...

Carry on Fark. Carry on. Bring out your pitchforks and torches.
 
2012-12-22 11:34:39 AM  

arghhh: Student: What if I just draw a picture of several electronic parts and several types of chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion...would that be okay?


Then this would be you.
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-22 11:36:41 AM  

arghhh: Student: What if I just draw a picture of several electronic parts and several types of chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion...would that be okay?


Reported.
 
2012-12-22 11:37:32 AM  
HindiDiscoMonster

They won on 9/12, when we became a land of cowards giving up our rights for the illusion of security.


It's been 12 years and I have yet to be subject to an abuse of power. Police aren't busting down my door because the government "took my rights away". Hasn't happened once.
 
2012-12-22 11:38:55 AM  
So let me get this straight: The part of Due Process, where the LAW has to show INTENT to commit a crime, no longer applies to anyone, especially a child, in the wake of a violent crime committed against children. Does that about cover it? I just want to make sure I know which parts of the Constitution to cut out and file under "lost."
 
2012-12-22 11:38:59 AM  

King Something: BraveNewCheneyWorld: What exactly gave the police the right to search his home?

The fact that the kid drew a picture of an object which could be used to kill or injure people gave them the right to search for proof that he has the physical wherewithal to create objects which could be used to kill or injure people.


"That drawing of a dot looks a lot like a shotgun pellet. Up against the wall, kid."
 
2012-12-22 11:39:36 AM  
I am ok with teachers evaluating kids who might be disturbed. I am Ok with authorities following these leads to determine risk. But the response should not be to punish the kid, but to help him with mental health services, or isolate and monitor him if he is truly dangerous. Many people have rightly noted that these outbreaks of violence are symptoms, not causes. Trying to squash the symptom without addressing the underlying causes only results in a new symptom being formed.
 
2012-12-22 11:40:46 AM  
I'm surprised there isn't a description of the authorities looking at his Facebook or Twitter account, finding something along the lines of, "Fark my life," and claiming he was suicidal too.
 
2012-12-22 11:41:52 AM  
The student's barber says he was very quiet whenever he went for a haircut.
 
2012-12-22 11:47:04 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: What exactly gave the police the right to search his home? That sounds extremely far outside the realm of probable cause.


They probably bullied him and the parents into allowing it. No warrant required when you can scare the shiat out of people that don't know their rights or don't think they're worth protecting.

Imagine some middle class mom at home watching Oprah when 10 vans full of cops in black clothing show up and tell her her son is a suspected maniac. She's so shocked she just lets them tear the house apart. Most families would fold under these circumstances.
 
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