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(Before It's' News)   President requests $120 Million to put a cop in every school. President Clinton, that is   (beforeitsnews.com ) divider line 124
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2012-12-22 09:27:02 AM  
shhhhh   dont get the liberals mad
 
2012-12-22 09:31:31 AM  
That's cute.. people think that Bill Clinton is a liberal.
 
2012-12-22 09:48:00 AM  
$120 million won't put a cop in every school.
 
2012-12-22 09:48:36 AM  
Know what else he signed?
 
2012-12-22 09:53:19 AM  
How about we take some money from the war on drugs, or the war on terror, and put it towards mental health care?
 
2012-12-22 09:54:20 AM  

clancifer: $120 million won't put a cop in every school.


Yeah, the estimates I've seen for the NRA's little demand are about $20B.
 
2012-12-22 09:58:45 AM  

GAT_00: clancifer: $120 million won't put a cop in every school.

Yeah, the estimates I've seen for the NRA's little demand are about $20B.


Let's see:  there are about 100k public schools in America.  Let's say that 20% already have a good security presence (that may be high).  And let's say that a cop will cost $60k total remuneration per year (that is probably low).

That's about $5B.
 
2012-12-22 10:08:01 AM  
Hell, both of the high schools I attended had full time city police detectives with their own offices, and that was in the 70's.

I don't recall any on-campus shootings, but, fights, gangster activity, drug dealing, strong-arm robbery... all daily occurrences.

And the cops were largely ignored by the students - smoking cigs and weed in the hall during the winter months was so common that the teachers would just walk through the crowd with their eyes lowered.

/Rough schools
 
2012-12-22 10:15:22 AM  

hillbillypharmacist: GAT_00: clancifer: $120 million won't put a cop in every school.

Yeah, the estimates I've seen for the NRA's little demand are about $20B.

Let's see:  there are about 100k public schools in America.  Let's say that 20% already have a good security presence (that may be high).  And let's say that a cop will cost $60k total remuneration per year (that is probably low).

That's about $5B.


The guards will unionize and force another 10 billion in unnecessary spending.
 
2012-12-22 10:15:34 AM  

clancifer: $120 million won't put a cop in every school.


Yeah, this. I think it's a mostly-practical solution -one that deals with the problem as it exists, rather than chasing phantoms and mourning a lost illusion- but you're going to need a lot more then $120 million to pull it off.
 
2012-12-22 10:38:26 AM  

hillbillypharmacist: GAT_00: clancifer: $120 million won't put a cop in every school.

Yeah, the estimates I've seen for the NRA's little demand are about $20B.

Let's see:  there are about 100k public schools in America.  Let's say that 20% already have a good security presence (that may be high).  And let's say that a cop will cost $60k total remuneration per year (that is probably low).

That's about $5B.


Any amount is too much considering that's going to end up being paid out of already strained school budgets subjected to decades of Republican budget cutting.  All this is going to do is make schools worse, which given that the NRA is nothing more than an extension of the GOP, that may be an intended benefit.
 
2012-12-22 10:47:52 AM  
Cops in schools is what they do for blah neighborhoods with gun violence problems.

Our children are more civilized than that.

/amirite


.
 
2012-12-22 10:50:35 AM  
Simply tax ammunition to cover the costs.
 
2012-12-22 10:50:57 AM  
So... Will this make you the first country in the free world to post armed guards at every school? I mean, we had a full blown terrorist conflict on our soil and never needed to go that far. I can't think of any other countries at do. Anyone have another example?
 
2012-12-22 10:51:02 AM  
I did the calculations yesterday. Figure $100k/cop counting benefits. 130,000 schools. $13.2B

If the NRA wanted this fully funded, 300 million guns with a registration fee of $75/ea will bring in $22B. Which will be eaten up by training, administration, etc. As salaries go up, so will the registration fee.
 
2012-12-22 10:52:02 AM  

clancifer: $120 million won't put a cop in every school.


TFA: only half of that was for COPS in School, an ongoing grant program. It doesn't put a cop in every school, it helps pay for school resource officers for communities that apply for a grant. COPS history

It should also be pointed out that Charlton Heston was infinitely cooler than Wayne LaPierre.
 
2012-12-22 10:52:25 AM  
The entire sequence of events took just minutes.  It would be at least five minutes after the shooter is done by the time the cop has figured out what is going on, puts down the donuts, finds his gun, and leaves the janitors office where he was losing his salary to the better paid school employees.
 
2012-12-22 10:59:04 AM  

queezyweezel: How about we take some money from the war on drugs, or the war on terror, and put it towards mental health care?


can we call it the war on crazy?
 
2012-12-22 11:00:14 AM  
Let's get a few things straight, I guess I'm okay with having a highly trained police officer in the school, as long as the Republicans don't then decide to hold up the appropriations for it as a political stunt. What the NRA is proposing is to have armed "local volunteers" which is batshiat insane and not helpful. As one talking head put it, I don't want an army of George Zimmermans patrolling our schools.

Secondly, when Bill Clinton proposed this, school shootings were ... sadly ... still something that was sort of new and unheard of. We are now dealing with a different society than we were back then, things have changed and we can actually look at other factors besides. If there's one thing that the passage of time helps us to accomplish, it's to realize that a solution that MIGHT ... MIGHT have had some affect 20 years ago, may not work today.
 
2012-12-22 11:01:28 AM  
FTA: Many critics point to the fact that Columbine High School had an armed guard during it's horrible tragedy (but the guard was having a cigarette at the time).


This can't actually be a thing, can it? What are they trying to say? That the guard smoked a cigarette the whole time that the incident went down? That if the guard wasn't smoking a cigarette that the only other possibility that could have happened is that the guard would have been at the exact right spot at the right time to subdue both shooters before anything happened?

Being an election year, "end of the world" and the Sandy Hill incident I figured I've already heard the stupidest things imaginable but here we go with a later contender.
 
2012-12-22 11:03:47 AM  
*raises eyebrows* We had an Officer Friendly in high school back in the early '90s. He was awesome and taught me that police are a mature and trusted resource. Then I moved to Michigan, so... :\
 
2012-12-22 11:05:47 AM  
Just extend the TSA to every school to search students and Faculty on their way in and out of school every single day.

That makes about as much sense as armed guards at every school, and provides the same level of protection and security theater as a police officer at every school would.

It would also be waaaaaay farking cheaper, have you seen what a special duty officer makes?
 
2012-12-22 11:11:40 AM  
I grew up going to a school that had a cop, and nothing seemed unusual about that.
I'm shocked there are schools without security.

/more so that people think this is a bad idea.
 
2012-12-22 11:13:09 AM  
The NRA opposed it then.
 
2012-12-22 11:15:46 AM  
This does nothing to prevent the shootings in all those other cases didn't take place inside a school. and for the ones that happened in the school either cop/armed guard won't be close enough to stop anything or he'll be the first one to targeted and killed.

Also, Clinton was a Democrat but wasn't really a liberal. thus how we ended up with banking deregulation, welfare reform and NAFTA. There is no inconsistency of him arguing for policies that liberals currently disagree with.

I wonder what the NRA will say if someone shot up an NRA meeting and/or shoots Wayne Lapierre?
They are so sure more guns is the answer for everything despite the fact that it has never resolved any of these mass shootings.
 
2012-12-22 11:16:46 AM  
How effective would a cop with a handgun have been against a gunman with a bullet-proof vest and a semi-automatic rifle? They're not miracle workers.
 
2012-12-22 11:17:52 AM  

Giltric: Cops in schools is what they do for blah neighborhoods with gun violence problems.

Our children are more civilized than that.

/amirite


.


Because no white kid has ever shot up a school.
 
2012-12-22 11:18:46 AM  
I like how the spin is "hey Clinton supported this then!" Well, why didn't it become law? I wonder...
 
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2012-12-22 11:19:47 AM  
Is this the same President Clinton who signed the Federal Assault Weapons ban into law?

Obviously he didn't support police as an alternative to gun control, so I don't think trying to turn it into a phony endorsement is going to work.

Not that that will stop you 'tards from running with it.
 
2012-12-22 11:20:01 AM  
Raise taxes on gun companies and use that money to hire a new police officer for every school. I'm ok with that.
 
2012-12-22 11:21:18 AM  

clancifer: $120 million won't put a cop in every school.


$11.2 billion (140,000 schools, $80k a year total expense for a cop)
 
2012-12-22 11:23:33 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: shhhhh   dont get the liberals mad



that's it. throw more cops at the problem. that'll fix it. for a Police State anyways.
 
2012-12-22 11:25:19 AM  

organizmx: Raise taxes on gun companies and use that money to hire a new police officer for every school. I'm ok with that.


$1000 per assault rifle. No ban, so no 2nd amendment arguments. Plus, if you're poor, you can't get one and only poor people commit crimes.
 
2012-12-22 11:25:26 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: The NRA opposed it then.


Citation?
 
2012-12-22 11:27:02 AM  
I guess my confusion, and I know this has been addressed, is that there are so many underfunded schools and communities that vote no on school levies, all of a sudden are going to agree to billions spent on school security? Right now there is all this demand for action but my gut says that if these things come up on a ballot there will be an overwhelming vote of no. People talk big but when it comes to money out of their pockets...
 
2012-12-22 11:28:57 AM  
120 million? done
 
2012-12-22 11:29:12 AM  

drewbob21: How effective would a cop with a handgun have been against a gunman with a bullet-proof vest and a semi-automatic rifle? They're not miracle workers.


You're right. Best to do nothing except disarm the innocent populace of the country.
 
2012-12-22 11:30:07 AM  
Actually, there were two armed police officers at Columbine, so...I guess we need at least four or five armed guards at all the schools if we want to prevent these types of shooting, right? And, I'm sure the Republicans will have no problem raising taxes to fund those extra officers, right? It would probably be cheaper just to give all the kids bullet-proof vests.
 
2012-12-22 11:31:06 AM  

3StratMan: Citation?


In 1994 crime bill that included the original assault weapons ban, Bill Clinton included a new program called Community Oriented Policing Services" that meant to add 100,000 police officers to our streets (which LaPierre is essentially now proposing by putting cops in every school.)  The NRA opposed that bill in 1994 and later mocked the COPS program for failing to meet its promise.

Link
 
2012-12-22 11:31:57 AM  

Gwyrddu: This does nothing to prevent the shootings in all those other cases didn't take place inside a school. and for the ones that happened in the school either cop/armed guard won't be close enough to stop anything or he'll be the first one to targeted and killed.

Also, Clinton was a Democrat but wasn't really a liberal. thus how we ended up with banking deregulation, welfare reform and NAFTA. There is no inconsistency of him arguing for policies that liberals currently disagree with.

I wonder what the NRA will say if someone shot up an NRA meeting and/or shoots Wayne Lapierre?
They are so sure more guns is the answer for everything despite the fact that it has never resolved any of these mass shootings.


We need an armed police officer everywhere. On every street corner, in every store, outside your bedroom door, hell, inside. Because turning the entire country into an armed camp of hastily-trained vigilantes makes infinitely more sense that placing reasonable restrictions and common sense requirements on gun ownership. You goddam commies.
 
2012-12-22 11:32:36 AM  
Oh, I got an idea, bullet-proof glass in all the schools. Make sure no one can enter the school except in one location, and can't shoot the glass to get in. How's that?
 
2012-12-22 11:34:19 AM  

RyogaM: Oh, I got an idea, bullet-proof glass in all the schools. Make sure no one can enter the school except in one location, and can't shoot the glass to get in. How's that?


You wouldn't happen to own or be employed by a bulletproof glass company, would you?
 
2012-12-22 11:35:09 AM  
So the school cop becomes the killer's first victim. Quite the deterrent.
 
2012-12-22 11:35:50 AM  
Most schools in cities already have cops in them thats why these type of things tend to happen in small towns.
 
2012-12-22 11:39:11 AM  

DesktopHippie: So... Will this make you the first country in the free world to post armed guards at every school? I mean, we had a full blown terrorist conflict on our soil and never needed to go that far. I can't think of any other countries at do. Anyone have another example?


Schools? No, no. We send our kids to the OK Corral in this country. Don't you know anything?
 
2012-12-22 11:44:19 AM  
I can't believe there are people like gingerjet defending this terrible plan. Maybe you would like to see a cop in every home too.
 
2012-12-22 11:45:37 AM  

clambam: RyogaM: Oh, I got an idea, bullet-proof glass in all the schools. Make sure no one can enter the school except in one location, and can't shoot the glass to get in. How's that?

You wouldn't happen to own or be employed by a bulletproof glass company, would you?


Why, are you in the market?
 
2012-12-22 11:46:57 AM  

Nem Wan: clancifer: $120 million won't put a cop in every school.

TFA: only half of that was for COPS in School, an ongoing grant program. It doesn't put a cop in every school, it helps pay for school resource officers for communities that apply for a grant. COPS history

It should also be pointed out that Charlton Heston was infinitely cooler than Wayne LaPierre.


I've heard they also haven't been able to get his guns from his cold, dead hands yet, either.
 
2012-12-22 11:47:07 AM  

Buffalo77: Most schools in cities already have cops in them thats why these type of things tend to happen in small towns.


Columbine had two armed officers in it. Think harder.
 
2012-12-22 11:53:46 AM  

Blue_Blazer: I can't believe there are people like gingerjet defending this terrible plan. Maybe you would like to see a cop in every home too.


That's why I bought a gun.
A whole cop takes up too much space.
 
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