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(Local10 WPLG)   Forget gasoline, if congress doesn't address the "dairy cliff", milk could hit $7 a gallon next year   (local10.com ) divider line
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2012-12-22 04:13:46 PM  

tshauk: Cow Juice is Nasty (imo).

Rice milk is delicious.

Flame on.

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Rice milk is nasty. And useless in tea.

/and tea is where it counts
//meh, my soy milk prices are stable, I'm happy
 
2012-12-22 04:15:59 PM  

astouffer: Why would the feds want to keep the price up? The conservative in me says let the market decide what the real price of milk is.


The feds are keeping the price down. The 'real' price of milk would be a lot higher to the end user without subsidies shoring up net margins and allowing low priced wholesaling.

Dairies have to get X amount per gallon to stay in business. One of the local dairymen told me a few weeks ago what price X was for the average breakover point, but I don't remember what it was now. :/ I was, however, surprised that the price difference between Rich Like Midas, and having to fire people and shovel the shiat themselves was within such a small pricing range.
 
2012-12-22 04:22:53 PM  
Great, and unlike other items which I can simply avoid if the price goes too high, we all have to buy this expensive milk whether we drink it or not. Either pay $7 at the store or through your taxes.

Why the hell would the government, even in 1949, have set up such a stupid clause?
 
2012-12-22 04:24:26 PM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: So no more of this then?

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WTF am I looking at? o_O
 
2012-12-22 04:25:17 PM  
We drink a minimum of a gallon a day so .... do not want.
 
2012-12-22 04:32:21 PM  
I stopped drinking milk because I couldn't keep that shiat in the fridge long enough without it spoiling.

In my old crappy fridge, it would spoil in a matter of days.

In my new fridge, it spoils in about 2 weeks.

I got tired of throwing away full unopened half gallon containers.

Now I use silk almond milk, I think it will spoil eventually, but I finish it before it does.

The big game changer is that if the container isn't open, it doesn't even need refrigeration.

// basically only use milk on cereal and for cooking desserts.

// The blue diamond almond milk sucks ass.
 
2012-12-22 04:33:39 PM  

Tommy Moo: Why the hell would the government, even in 1949, have set up such a stupid clause?


In 1949, milk was considered a staple. It was synonymous with 'food' and if people couldn't afford 'food' (milk), then they would starve. Milk was one of the basic elements of a nutritious meal at the time. It's currently still seen that way in public schools in the US, fwiw.
 
2012-12-22 04:40:51 PM  

astouffer: Why would the feds want to keep the price up? The conservative in me says let the market decide what the real price of milk is.


Back in the Depression, the effect of the combination of an economic slowdown and the gold standard was price deflation. Conflating cause and effect, FDR decided that you could end the Depression by increasing prices back to what they previously were. (You know that famous scene in The Grapes of Wrath where oranges are burned? That wasn't done by private industry; that was done by government edict.)

And once we started price supports, we wound up with people getting money from them, and the people getting money hired lobbyists and elected congressmen to defend them. So FDR's idiocy is still law today.
 
2012-12-22 04:46:33 PM  
Actually, the US ran out of that yonks ago. Fresh and dehydrated. We've been using the emergency back-up supply.
 
2012-12-22 04:48:27 PM  

Rufus Lee King: If I'm going to pay that much for milk, it had better have knives in it.


It better be milk plus little brother.
 
2012-12-22 04:55:06 PM  

Oznog: But the govt can't SELL the same amount of milk at $7/gal. The market won't support that, so TFA is full of shiat!


You don't understand, the government doesn't sell the milk it buys. The whole point of the law is to make the price go up, and obviously it couldn't if the government were allowed to sell it. Instead, some of it is given away in food aid programs, some is powdered and warehoused. It used to be that much was simply poured into sewers, but I think that eventually was prohibited. There might be a few other uses allowed, but, basically, if the government buys it in a price support program, it's intentionally never supposed to show up in the US market again.

So, if you want milk, you'll have to outbid the government, which is paying $7/gallon for it. Otherwise the dairy farmers will sell it to the government, and it leaves the market just as surely as if it had been simply dumped into a sewer,
 
2012-12-22 04:56:31 PM  

mrmaster: Milk has been over $7 a gallon here for a long time (USVI). We just don't buy liquid milk unless it is the dry stuff cause a recipe calls for it. We get our calcium from Wisconsin cheese (we have tons of it in the fridge) and yogurt.


You are doing it wrong. Dairy has binders that stop the absorption of calcium. You get more from green leafys then that stuff.
 
2012-12-22 05:02:34 PM  
And who will be blamed for this? The free market of course!
 
2012-12-22 05:03:17 PM  
"...if a new bill isn't passed or the current one extended, the formula for calculating the price the government pays for dairy products reverts back to a 1949 statute. Under that formula, the government would be forced to buy milk at twice today's price -- driving up the cost for everyone...."

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Virtually every economic problem we have is caused by excesive government, politicians, bureaucrats, repeat. Interestingly with Nero the economy will implode quicker than with Romney; if we're lucky we may be able to restrain the behemoth. Policies tried in Detroit and EUnuchstan are being treated as instruction manuals.
 
2012-12-22 05:04:02 PM  
Well, I've been doing it wrong all along. Where I live, milk has been over $7 a gallon for years.
 
2012-12-22 05:08:16 PM  

Anthracite: mrmaster: Milk has been over $7 a gallon here for a long time (USVI). We just don't buy liquid milk unless it is the dry stuff cause a recipe calls for it. We get our calcium from Wisconsin cheese (we have tons of it in the fridge) and yogurt.

You are doing it wrong. Dairy has binders that stop the absorption of calcium. You get more from green leafys then that stuff.


He's doing it right.  Cheese is awesome and the calcium is fine.
 
2012-12-22 05:20:22 PM  
Cliff-gate.
 
2012-12-22 05:34:07 PM  

ISO15693: Good. Milk is absolutely horrible for anyone over the age of 2.


Nope. Nice try though.
 
2012-12-22 05:36:45 PM  
Tell me again how we have to raise taxes. Farm subsidies are just another area we can cut. If you cannot make as a farmer/automaker/solar panel builder/high speed rail operator/airline/ etc etc without reaching directly into the taxpayer's pocket you need to rework your business model or consider a new line of work.

The Dairy industry is perhaps the worst. Paying dairy farmers to go out of business. Subsidies for "Western" Dairy farmers" but not the same for "Eastern" Dairy Farmers and other such BS.

Paying farmers not to grow crops is just another part of the tyrant FDR's legacy that is destroying us today-Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933. Thank you so much big government and socialism.
 
2012-12-22 05:37:27 PM  

hockeychick: ISO15693: Good. Milk is absolutely horrible for anyone over the age of 2.

Nope. Nice try though.


FTFY.
 
2012-12-22 05:40:47 PM  

hasty ambush: Tell me again how we have to raise taxes. Farm subsidies are just another area we can cut. If you cannot make as a farmer/automaker/solar panel builder/high speed rail operator/airline/ etc etc without reaching directly into the taxpayer's pocket you need to rework your business model or consider a new line of work.

The Dairy industry is perhaps the worst. Paying dairy farmers to go out of business. Subsidies for "Western" Dairy farmers" but not the same for "Eastern" Dairy Farmers and other such BS.

Paying farmers not to grow crops is just another part of the tyrant FDR's legacy that is destroying us today-Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933. Thank you so much big government and socialism.


There is no "Paying farmers not to grow crops." Not a part of the farm bill. You are either thinking CRP or the defunct set-aside program.
 
2012-12-22 05:42:20 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: hockeychick: ISO15693: Good. Milk is absolutely horrible for anyone over the age of 2.

Nope. Nice try though.

FTFY.


I like milk. It's not horrible in moderation, just like most things. Yeah, drinking a gallon a day will cause harm, but a glass isn't going to kill you.
 
2012-12-22 05:47:27 PM  
The 2 are kind of tied together since it takes quite a bit of diesel to keep it cool while its being shipped and it has to be shipped quickly since you can't freeze it
 
2012-12-22 05:53:42 PM  
Milk isn't nearly as important as people are lead to believe. Most people would be better off drinking water.

The health value is greatly over-stated, IMHO. Same with juice too.

Sure, if you are otherwise healthy and active, it won't matter one way or another; and if you aren't otherwise healthy or active, you're farked no mater what you drink. Still, the idea that the government should be subsidizing milk is ridiculous.
 
2012-12-22 05:58:14 PM  
Wouldn't you know it, the same middle America teabagger farmers who think we should cut every governement entitlement program because libruls are evil are more than happy to take government farm subsidies for themselves.
 
2012-12-22 05:59:29 PM  
Hope and change we can believe i.......

Oh what's the farking use? Libtards are gonna run us all off the cliff.
 
2012-12-22 06:19:22 PM  
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2012-12-22 06:52:22 PM  
How is this relevant to anyone over the age of six?
 
2012-12-22 06:54:43 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Hope and change we can believe i.......

Oh what's the farking use? Libtards are gonna run us all off the cliff.


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2012-12-22 06:58:15 PM  

Cerebral Infarktion: humans are the only animals that consume milk beyond childhood


This is the singlemost dumbest thing I read on FARK today. Thank you. I can go to bed now.
 
2012-12-22 07:09:32 PM  
Soy is poison, rice is sugar. Almond milk is where it's at.
 
2012-12-22 07:21:09 PM  

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2012-12-22 07:32:55 PM  
Meanwhile, in Europe...

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2012-12-22 07:42:39 PM  

LordZorch: The last thing we need is congress meddling even more with agricultural issues and maintaining misguided depression era price-fixing on dairy products.


I agree.
 
2012-12-22 07:42:58 PM  
I am an absolute milkoholic.  I'll resort to serious crime to get my next gallon if I have to.
 
2012-12-22 07:47:14 PM  
Why is government subsidizing the cost of milk in the first place? Shouldn't the price be left up to the free market.
 
2012-12-22 07:51:45 PM  
Frederick: I am an absolute milkoholic.  I'll resort to serious crime to get my next gallon if I have to.

Have you ever sucked dick for Milk?
 
2012-12-22 08:25:07 PM  

vodka: Soy is poison, rice is sugar. Almond milk is where it's at.


If where it's at is the land of disgusting, then yes.
 
2012-12-22 08:25:46 PM  

Oldiron_79: Frederick: I am an absolute milkoholic.  I'll resort to serious crime to get my next gallon if I have to.

Have you ever sucked dick for Milk?


I dont think thats where it comes from....

\damn, that was a fine setup Oldiron_79 -too good perhaps.  So many ways to go from there.....
 
2012-12-22 08:26:25 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Why is government subsidizing the cost of milk in the first place? Shouldn't the price be left up to the free market.


The free market is to blame when the government's interferences go bad. Then the government can save us from the hazards of the free market with more interferences.
 
2012-12-22 09:29:06 PM  
Uh, this doesn't really concern me. If you think about milk it is an incredible bargain. Typically, a good deal on a healthy food is $1/lb. At $7/gallon it is STILL less than $1/lb.

I mean sometimes I can get chicken at $1/lb, eggs are never that cheap, I can't think of any other animal product that is that inexpensive.

Fruits, veggies, pasta, beans, other staples can be $1/lb but the list of animal products is short.

Now if all food goes up that much then I might be screwed. If it is just milk, then I will just not buy something fancy and extremely expensive like doughnuts...
 
2012-12-22 09:40:34 PM  

hockeychick: hasty ambush: Tell me again how we have to raise taxes. Farm subsidies are just another area we can cut. If you cannot make as a farmer/automaker/solar panel builder/high speed rail operator/airline/ etc etc without reaching directly into the taxpayer's pocket you need to rework your business model or consider a new line of work.

The Dairy industry is perhaps the worst. Paying dairy farmers to go out of business. Subsidies for "Western" Dairy farmers" but not the same for "Eastern" Dairy Farmers and other such BS.

Paying farmers not to grow crops is just another part of the tyrant FDR's legacy that is destroying us today-Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933. Thank you so much big government and socialism.

There is no "Paying farmers not to grow crops." Not a part of the farm bill. You are either thinking CRP or the defunct set-aside program.


The CRP pays farmers not grow crops a policy that started witeh FDR:

"More farmers than expected applied to put their land in a government program that pays the farmers not to plant crops and not all of the acres could be accommodated, the U.S. Department of Agriculture said Friday" "The USDA spends about $1.8 billion a year on the program, paying "rent" to land owners."
 
2012-12-22 09:45:50 PM  

Anthracite: mrmaster: Milk has been over $7 a gallon here for a long time (USVI). We just don't buy liquid milk unless it is the dry stuff cause a recipe calls for it. We get our calcium from Wisconsin cheese (we have tons of it in the fridge) and yogurt.

You are doing it wrong. Dairy has binders that stop the absorption of calcium. You get more from green leafys then that stuff.


Although I agree that green leafys are healthier than milk due to their lack of animal fat and because of the many other benefits, I disagree that dairy 'has binders that stop the absorption of calcium.' that make green leafys a better source of calcium in particular.

The organic or mineral calcium bound to casein is readily released during digestion, and there is general agreement that its potential bioavailability is high. Most solubility studies use milk calcium as a reference standard. The calcium in spinach, which is present as an insoluble oxalate, is taken as the extreme example of poor bioavailability
 
2012-12-22 09:58:01 PM  

hasty ambush: hockeychick: hasty ambush: Tell me again how we have to raise taxes. Farm subsidies are just another area we can cut. If you cannot make as a farmer/automaker/solar panel builder/high speed rail operator/airline/ etc etc without reaching directly into the taxpayer's pocket you need to rework your business model or consider a new line of work.

The Dairy industry is perhaps the worst. Paying dairy farmers to go out of business. Subsidies for "Western" Dairy farmers" but not the same for "Eastern" Dairy Farmers and other such BS.

Paying farmers not to grow crops is just another part of the tyrant FDR's legacy that is destroying us today-Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933. Thank you so much big government and socialism.

There is no "Paying farmers not to grow crops." Not a part of the farm bill. You are either thinking CRP or the defunct set-aside program.

The CRP pays farmers not grow crops a policy that started witeh FDR:

"More farmers than expected applied to put their land in a government program that pays the farmers not to plant crops and not all of the acres could be accommodated, the U.S. Department of Agriculture said Friday" "The USDA spends about $1.8 billion a year on the program, paying "rent" to land owners."


Not really. Most of what is in CRP is small 10 to 20 acre plots owned by non farmers. And getting into the CRP program isn't easy. The dirt must be classified as highly erodible first, which is not easy to get. If you really want to know how the program works visit your local FSA office.
 
2012-12-22 10:07:03 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Hope and change we can believe i.......

Oh what's the farking use? Libtards are gonna run us all off the cliff.


Newsflash, sparky- your guy lost. The Dems cleaned up. Even got more votes than Repubs did in the House. So... what? Did you think we were still going to do it your way? No. No we're farking not. Deal with it.

/I'm sure you're just trolling
 
2012-12-22 10:07:34 PM  

hockeychick: hasty ambush: hockeychick: hasty ambush: Tell me again how we have to raise taxes. Farm subsidies are just another area we can cut. If you cannot make as a farmer/automaker/solar panel builder/high speed rail operator/airline/ etc etc without reaching directly into the taxpayer's pocket you need to rework your business model or consider a new line of work.

The Dairy industry is perhaps the worst. Paying dairy farmers to go out of business. Subsidies for "Western" Dairy farmers" but not the same for "Eastern" Dairy Farmers and other such BS.

Paying farmers not to grow crops is just another part of the tyrant FDR's legacy that is destroying us today-Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933. Thank you so much big government and socialism.

There is no "Paying farmers not to grow crops." Not a part of the farm bill. You are either thinking CRP or the defunct set-aside program.

The CRP pays farmers not grow crops a policy that started witeh FDR:

"More farmers than expected applied to put their land in a government program that pays the farmers not to plant crops and not all of the acres could be accommodated, the U.S. Department of Agriculture said Friday" "The USDA spends about $1.8 billion a year on the program, paying "rent" to land owners."

Not really. Most of what is in CRP is small 10 to 20 acre plots owned by non farmers. And getting into the CRP program isn't easy. The dirt must be classified as highly erodible first, which is not easy to get. If you really want to know how the program works visit your local FSA office.


So hard to get into it administers 30 million acres and the FDA is paying the land owners money not to grow food crops on it. Hence being paid not to grow food crops on the land.
 
2012-12-22 10:42:54 PM  

hasty ambush: hockeychick: hasty ambush: hockeychick: hasty ambush: Tell me again how we have to raise taxes. Farm subsidies are just another area we can cut. If you cannot make as a farmer/automaker/solar panel builder/high speed rail operator/airline/ etc etc without reaching directly into the taxpayer's pocket you need to rework your business model or consider a new line of work.

The Dairy industry is perhaps the worst. Paying dairy farmers to go out of business. Subsidies for "Western" Dairy farmers" but not the same for "Eastern" Dairy Farmers and other such BS.

Paying farmers not to grow crops is just another part of the tyrant FDR's legacy that is destroying us today-Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933. Thank you so much big government and socialism.

There is no "Paying farmers not to grow crops." Not a part of the farm bill. You are either thinking CRP or the defunct set-aside program.

The CRP pays farmers not grow crops a policy that started witeh FDR:

"More farmers than expected applied to put their land in a government program that pays the farmers not to plant crops and not all of the acres could be accommodated, the U.S. Department of Agriculture said Friday" "The USDA spends about $1.8 billion a year on the program, paying "rent" to land owners."

Not really. Most of what is in CRP is small 10 to 20 acre plots owned by non farmers. And getting into the CRP program isn't easy. The dirt must be classified as highly erodible first, which is not easy to get. If you really want to know how the program works visit your local FSA office.

So hard to get into it administers 30 million acres and the FDA is paying the land owners money not to grow food crops on it. Hence being paid not to grow food crops on the land.


On marginal land at best. Not going to get much of anything on highly erodible land. But if you want to see it that way fine.
 
2012-12-22 10:49:01 PM  
I will still buy as much as I have. 2-3 gallons a week. Because I like milk a lot.
 
2012-12-22 10:55:30 PM  

sonnyboy11: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Hope and change we can believe i.......

Oh what's the farking use? Libtards are gonna run us all off the cliff.

Newsflash, sparky- your guy lost. The Dems cleaned up. Even got more votes than Repubs did in the House. So... what? Did you think we were still going to do it your way? No. No we're farking not. Deal with it.

/I'm sure you're just trolling


You're new here, aren't you? Newsflash for you: I voted for Obama, as I stated on numerous threads. I also gave arguments for voting for Obama. On numerous threads.

That still doesn't mean that most liberals in government are not morons.

BTW, "trolling" as an excuse for no rational response is really old and busted. But that's OK; you should probably wait for the talking points memo before you stick your neck out and stop using it. (To the tune of "This Old Man, an old Felix the Cat song: "Marching ants, marching ants, rootin' tootin' marching ants...")
 
2012-12-22 11:25:51 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: The price of a quart of milk suddenly doubled (and has stayed there) months ago in my area. Kind of sucked, because my Grandma likes her cream of wheat or oatmeal made with milk, and also eats cold cereal from time to  time, so it's not an option to not buy it. She's a picky eater,  too, so we get her what she wants.

Luckily for me, the price of cheese has remained stable. I must have cheese. I also have almost always cooked for a living and use dairy in many of my cooking experiments, so....

I dunno, dudes. I have mixed emotions about this whole thing.


FYI cheese is made with milk-if milk doubles in rice, cheese will quadruple.
My cheese sells for $13.00 a pound and my dairy is not subsidized by the government only regulated.
Have a nice day
 
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