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2012-12-22 01:28:47 PM
Well, there's always Malk. Now with vitamin R.
 
2012-12-22 01:28:49 PM

mrmaster: Milk has been over $7 a gallon here for a long time (USVI). We just don't buy liquid milk unless it is the dry stuff cause a recipe calls for it. We get our calcium from Wisconsin cheese (we have tons of it in the fridge) and yogurt.


have fun pooping
 
2012-12-22 01:29:05 PM
Good. Milk is absolutely horrible for anyone over the age of 2.
 
2012-12-22 01:29:28 PM

NewportBarGuy: YouFarkingIdiot: No, the government will buy all the milk that farmers want to sell at $7 a gallon. You think the farmer will sell to anyone else for less than $7? Thanks government, keep up the good work!

No, they'll dump it. I remember those images from years ago of dairy farmers dumping their product. But, as far as I understand, there is no government contract to support prices, which is why this is an issue. Am I misreading it?


I'm unclear too. There currently IS a plan to support a price floor where the govt pays the farmer a subsidy if the market price falls below a certain level. A guaranteed minimum price.

And it's not $7. It sounds like they're saying the $7 price would be due to a weird, inactive 1949 law that would somehow rise from the dead and automatically apply if current subsidies expire. I don't understand this law and how it could dictate a $7 market price.

How do you dictate a market price with a law? The subsidy's probably like "Milk is $3.50/gal at Walmart, Walmart pays the dairy $1.50/gal, but the govt guaranteed $2.50/gal so they chip in a $1 subsidy to the dairy". OK, if that subsidy disappears, milk probably can't go up to $4.50/gal without compromising sales (if they could charge a higher price today, they would!). The low sales at a lower net price for the farmer will drive farmers out of business.

TFA says "the formula for calculating the price the government pays for dairy products reverts back to a 1949 statute. Under that formula, the government would be forced to buy milk at twice today's price -- driving up the cost for everyone." OK, so the old law guarantees the govt will pay $7/gal to the dairy?? Holy crap that's a lot of govt cheese.

But the govt can't SELL the same amount of milk at $7/gal. The market won't support that, so TFA is full of shiat! This sounds like a huge, attractive gift to dairy producers, and a tremendous cost burden to the govt.
 
2012-12-22 01:30:36 PM
 
2012-12-22 01:32:51 PM

Cerebral Infarktion: PreMortem: Milk is a government conspiracy.

humans are the only animals that consume milk beyond childhood


We are the only ones that wipe our asses after we crap and create medicines to treat diseases that affect us too, what is your point?
 
2012-12-22 01:33:55 PM

Oznog: NTFA says "the formula for calculating the price the government pays for dairy products reverts back to a 1949 statute. Under that formula, the government would be forced to buy milk at twice today's price -- driving up the cost for everyone." OK, so the old law guarantees the govt will pay $7/gal to the dairy?? Holy crap that's a lot of govt cheese.

But the govt can't SELL the same amount of milk at $7/gal. The market won't support that, so TFA is full of shiat! This sounds like a huge, attractive gift to dairy producers, and a tremendous cost burden to the govt.


Actually, wait, what's gonna happen is the producers are going to INCREASE production as fast as possible, due to the absurdly inflated govt-purchase price. It's white gold. This will do the opposite- flood the market with milk that will actually REDUCE the shelf price to something absurdly low. But the govt will be hemorrhaging money into the dairy producers. If it goes on long enough, dairies will become accustomed by ridiculous profit margins, then the govt will "fix" the price fixing problem, and the industry will crash hard, and many producers will go out of business, likely reducing production below current pre-crisis levels. THEN the price will go way way up.
 
2012-12-22 01:36:54 PM

Mimic_Octopus: ftfa: National Milk Producers Federation, which represents over 30,000 dairy farmers

we have 30,000 dairy farmers ? yeah right. in what year, 1945 ? that's 600 per state. aand they dont make milk in alaska. what are they counting all the employees of the like 5 agrifarms that we have ?


Wasn't there a reporter who discovered that the Agriculture Department had a list of "farmers" in Manhattan who were receiving crop subsidies? And then there are the thousands of people who received $50k Pigford settlements because they were Black and had "attempted to farm" but were thwarted by the racist USDA. When the government is handing money out, people get creative.
 
2012-12-22 01:40:26 PM
Nguyen-ing!
 
2012-12-22 01:40:34 PM
Time for me to get my own cow.
/Now where do I go to find fat pregger chicks that's lactating in Chicago
 
2012-12-22 01:45:08 PM

BolloxReader: And let's not forget that it is the height of stupidity to be the only country in the world that does not support agriculture. Unless you really want to import most of our food from China or something.


Given how well milk keeps I'm not convinced that importing it from China wouldn't work very well.
 
2012-12-22 01:46:42 PM
Remember when candidate Obama promised no new tax increases on the poor and middle class? I guess this technically doesn't count, but certainly the poor and middle class will be the only ones hit by this.

I'm glad the rich guy who only cares about rich people didn't get elected.
 
2012-12-22 01:48:28 PM
So no more of this then?

img204.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-22 01:48:38 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Forget gasoline, if congress doesn't address the "dairy cliff", milk could hit $7 a gallon next year

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Two birds with one stone.


Of all images i expected in this thread, this was the least likely.
 
2012-12-22 01:48:40 PM

Mimic_Octopus: ftfa: National Milk Producers Federation, which represents over 30,000 dairy farmers

we have 30,000 dairy farmers ? yeah right. in what year, 1945 ? that's 600 per state. aand they dont make milk in alaska. what are they counting all the employees of the like 5 agrifarms that we have ?


Get out of the city. I live in Ohio, 15 miles outside Toledo, and I know of 3 small family dairy farms within 10 miles of me, and I don't even get out much.
 
2012-12-22 01:54:07 PM

Generation_D: How about we start pushing congressmen off a real cliff til they quit teabagging and start doing their jobs.


That's the only solution that will ever actually accomplish something. Brandish a stick instead of the current tactic of a choice of carrots.

It's not like congress faces any negative consequences for nonstop delaying. Voters will have forgotten all about this by the time any reelection comes around. They'll vote for the same party they've always voted for, and the only thing they'll remember is the most recent mudslinging ad on television.
 
2012-12-22 01:55:04 PM
In all seriousness, it seems like a cow would be more cost effective if this happens.

/gallon of milk a day, every lifting day
 
2012-12-22 01:55:38 PM
Good. This may encourage change in an industry that's been needing it for decades.
 
2012-12-22 02:02:18 PM
No problem here. While cheese is delicious, the American waistline could probably do with a bit less of it being subsidized to such low levels.
 
2012-12-22 02:03:36 PM
Well I guess it's time to finally buy the cow.
 
2012-12-22 02:14:35 PM
In Quebec milk prices are regulated (gallon is already over 7$); not only that but there are quotas for farmers to protect the small farms. Alot of milk ends up in the ditches because of that apparently. Exportation is not allowed AFAIK.

/lactose intolerant. It sucks, i like cheese. Lactase caplets only work so much. I use almond milk in my cereal because i don't like soy milk's taste.

//there is lactose free milk but it costs almost 10$ a gallon. Very little lactose free cheese too.
 
2012-12-22 02:15:50 PM
What about Asian cultures that are mostly vegetable and fish and rice based? They don't drink as much milk as 'Mericans, and yet they don't collapse in a pile of crunchy half-formed skeleton.

The truth: milk (and cheese!!) are yummy. But their necessity to the typical diet is significantly overrated.
In fact, volume of milk intake is related to an increase in prostate cancer.

So, yay for milk and cheese, etc. But it's not as mandatory as the dairy industry would have you think.

If I were a cow farmer, how could I make as much money as possible from my herd? I'd tell people that beef is an important part of their diet. So I'd make as many cows as I could. But, with all these cows having babies, they'd be making a lot of milk. I wonder if I can sell it? Sure I could, if I likewise told people that it was mandatory. Brilliant!
 
2012-12-22 02:17:42 PM

Relatively Obscure: aevert: duffblue: The real question is whole or 1%. Or 1% vs. 2%. I don't understand skim.

If I wanted to drink something that tasted like butter, I'd melt some in a microwave.

If I wanted to drink something that tasted like water, I'd get it from the faucet.


Water doesn't have calcium. Of course, I don't drink milk anymore and I get my calcium from cheese and Tums.
 
2012-12-22 02:23:12 PM

kth: If I forget to bring my bottle back that's what it costs me.

/buy from the mennonites down the street.
//instead of a sell by date, it has a milked at time.
///sometimes it is still warm


Mennonites are farking awesome.
They make the best chocolate and meat here. There are PRE-orders for some of their stuff.
 
2012-12-22 02:32:18 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: So no more of this then?

[img204.imageshack.us image 500x300]


WTF? I don't even....
 
2012-12-22 02:45:00 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: thisisyourbrainonFark: So no more of this then?

[img204.imageshack.us image 500x300]

WTF? I don't even....


C'mon, you've been around this place too long to have not seen that before.
 
2012-12-22 02:54:23 PM

Cerebral Infarktion: PreMortem: Milk is a government conspiracy.

humans are the only animals that consume milk beyond childhood


Humans are the only animals that have made these:

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net

Where were you going with this train of thought?
 
2012-12-22 03:06:24 PM
Cow Juice is Nasty (imo).

Rice milk is delicious.

Flame on.

i94.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-22 03:08:49 PM

Generation_D: How about we start pushing congressmen off a real cliff til they quit teabagging and start doing their jobs.


I'm in.
 
2012-12-22 03:10:10 PM

Eps05: Very little lactose free cheese too.


Real cheese (ie. not processed cheese like food product) is almost always effectively lactose free.

The milk sugars (including lactose) get eaten by the lacto bacteria and converted to lactic acid, which is what makes the cheese tasty.

Any aged cheese should be fine to eat, as long as you don't eat it by the pound.

That's as long as lactose is your only problem with dairy though. If you've got casein problems that's a whole different can of worms.
 
2012-12-22 03:13:25 PM
I can't wait for the US to get back to capitalism.

This freakish form of Socialism we've been playing with since 1930 just hasn't panned out.

But on the bright side, we have $16 trillion in debt.
 
2012-12-22 03:14:00 PM
 
2012-12-22 03:15:39 PM

dmax: What about Asian cultures that are mostly vegetable and fish and rice based? They don't drink as much milk as 'Mericans, and yet they don't collapse in a pile of crunchy half-formed skeleton.


They eat lots of seaweeds that are high in calcium.

I've drunk soy milk my entire life and can't understand why people find the taste weird. Maybe if you're drinking the kind with added sugar, but otherwise...
 
2012-12-22 03:15:42 PM

eldoobie:


I've seen better on 4chan... er i mean worse... i mean I've never been to 4chan at all.
 
2012-12-22 03:18:30 PM

tshauk: Cow Juice is Nasty (imo).

Rice milk is delicious.

Flame on.

[i94.photobucket.com image 175x175]


Rice milk isn't.
 
2012-12-22 03:19:53 PM

Oznog: NewportBarGuy: YouFarkingIdiot: No, the government will buy all the milk that farmers want to sell at $7 a gallon. You think the farmer will sell to anyone else for less than $7? Thanks government, keep up the good work!

No, they'll dump it. I remember those images from years ago of dairy farmers dumping their product. But, as far as I understand, there is no government contract to support prices, which is why this is an issue. Am I misreading it?

I'm unclear too. There currently IS a plan to support a price floor where the govt pays the farmer a subsidy if the market price falls below a certain level. A guaranteed minimum price.

And it's not $7. It sounds like they're saying the $7 price would be due to a weird, inactive 1949 law that would somehow rise from the dead and automatically apply if current subsidies expire. I don't understand this law and how it could dictate a $7 market price.

How do you dictate a market price with a law? The subsidy's probably like "Milk is $3.50/gal at Walmart, Walmart pays the dairy $1.50/gal, but the govt guaranteed $2.50/gal so they chip in a $1 subsidy to the dairy". OK, if that subsidy disappears, milk probably can't go up to $4.50/gal without compromising sales (if they could charge a higher price today, they would!). The low sales at a lower net price for the farmer will drive farmers out of business.

TFA says "the formula for calculating the price the government pays for dairy products reverts back to a 1949 statute. Under that formula, the government would be forced to buy milk at twice today's price -- driving up the cost for everyone." OK, so the old law guarantees the govt will pay $7/gal to the dairy?? Holy crap that's a lot of govt cheese.

But the govt can't SELL the same amount of milk at $7/gal. The market won't support that, so TFA is full of shiat! This sounds like a huge, attractive gift to dairy producers, and a tremendous cost burden to the govt.


It is an entitlement program. The government will purchase milk at seven dollars a gallon. Because it is the law, the government has to purchase.
 
2012-12-22 03:20:03 PM

SanjiSasuke: /gallon of milk a day, every lifting day


Wow, do you have five kids? Even if I take the extra few minutes in the morning to make a cappuccino, I don't use a half gallon before it goes bad.
 
2012-12-22 03:22:14 PM

Slam1263: I can't wait for the US to get back to capitalism.

This freakish form of Socialism we've been playing with since 1930 just hasn't panned out.

But on the bright side, we have $16 trillion in debt.


Yeah, because the US was such an awesome place to live before 1930.
 
2012-12-22 03:22:22 PM
We don't have a cow, we have a bull
 
2012-12-22 03:25:46 PM
ctboom.com
 
2012-12-22 03:26:01 PM

Oldiron_79: We don't have a cow, we have a bull


you milk the bull
 
2012-12-22 03:31:51 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: thisisyourbrainonFark: So no more of this then?

[img204.imageshack.us image 500x300]

WTF? I don't even....


farm1.staticflickr.com

spf.fotolog.com

i46.photobucket.com

NSFW

How does this not make any sense to you? It's an obvious allegory on the plight of the people of Paraguay.
 
2012-12-22 03:32:13 PM

haywatchthis: Oldiron_79: We don't have a cow, we have a bull

you milk the bull


Come again?
 
2012-12-22 03:32:50 PM
Scare tactics aside, it might be better if everyone drank a lot less milk. Let the Dairy Council moan, but cereal should be an exception, not a norm. We drink too much of the stuff. Some would say we shouldn't have any. I'm no vegan, but do we really need to go through a gallon ever couple of days?
 
2012-12-22 03:33:23 PM

shtychkn: Oznog: NewportBarGuy: YouFarkingIdiot: No, the government will buy all the milk that farmers want to sell at $7 a gallon. You think the farmer will sell to anyone else for less than $7? Thanks government, keep up the good work!

No, they'll dump it. I remember those images from years ago of dairy farmers dumping their product. But, as far as I understand, there is no government contract to support prices, which is why this is an issue. Am I misreading it?

I'm unclear too. There currently IS a plan to support a price floor where the govt pays the farmer a subsidy if the market price falls below a certain level. A guaranteed minimum price.

And it's not $7. It sounds like they're saying the $7 price would be due to a weird, inactive 1949 law that would somehow rise from the dead and automatically apply if current subsidies expire. I don't understand this law and how it could dictate a $7 market price.

How do you dictate a market price with a law? The subsidy's probably like "Milk is $3.50/gal at Walmart, Walmart pays the dairy $1.50/gal, but the govt guaranteed $2.50/gal so they chip in a $1 subsidy to the dairy". OK, if that subsidy disappears, milk probably can't go up to $4.50/gal without compromising sales (if they could charge a higher price today, they would!). The low sales at a lower net price for the farmer will drive farmers out of business.

TFA says "the formula for calculating the price the government pays for dairy products reverts back to a 1949 statute. Under that formula, the government would be forced to buy milk at twice today's price -- driving up the cost for everyone." OK, so the old law guarantees the govt will pay $7/gal to the dairy?? Holy crap that's a lot of govt cheese.

But the govt can't SELL the same amount of milk at $7/gal. The market won't support that, so TFA is full of shiat! This sounds like a huge, attractive gift to dairy producers, and a tremendous cost burden to the govt.

It is an entitlement program. The government will purchase milk at seven dollars a gallon. Because it is the law, the government has to purchase.


It's not an entitlement if it's going to white people. It's "a critical program to safeguard our agricultural sector."
 
2012-12-22 03:41:48 PM
The important thing here is that Obama and his $35,000 p/plate hedge fund friends will still be able to afford milk for their children.
 
2012-12-22 03:45:07 PM
With Congress spending all its time trying to avert the fiscal cliff, a slew of other legislative matters are going unattended. One of them is the agriculture bill which, if not addressed, could lead to a doubling of the price of milk early next year.

/not that it matters. Nobody is going to be employed anyway. Cant even afford to get milk now.
 
2012-12-22 03:45:50 PM

swahnhennessy: Scare tactics aside, it might be better if everyone drank a lot less milk. Let the Dairy Council moan, but cereal should be an exception, not a norm. We drink too much of the stuff. Some would say we shouldn't have any. I'm no vegan, but do we really need to go through a gallon ever couple of days?


So, you base your consumption of food on using only what you need and no more than that? Or do you simply want to base other people's consumption on what you think they should need?
 
2012-12-22 03:52:13 PM

Mimic_Octopus: ftfa: National Milk Producers Federation, which represents over 30,000 dairy farmers

we have 30,000 dairy farmers ? yeah right. in what year, 1945 ? that's 600 per state. aand they dont make milk in alaska. what are they counting all the employees of the like 5 agrifarms that we have ?


I don't know about 30k but ill believe 20k. CA has 1700 just for cows, 120 just in my tiny remote county. Large parts of the state are unsuitable for dairy. Production averaged 3.1 billion gallons a month in 2011, around 28% of national production. Seems like bullshiat, but the numbers exist

www.cdfa.ca.org/dairy. Data is in PDF pages.
 
2012-12-22 04:06:04 PM
www.t-nation.com

inconsolable
 
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