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2012-12-22 10:04:42 AM
The last thing we need is congress meddling even more with agricultural issues and maintaining misguided depression era price-fixing on dairy products.
 
2012-12-22 10:41:28 AM
How about we start pushing congressmen off a real cliff til they quit teabagging and start doing their jobs.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-22 11:15:03 AM
Push us off the fiscal cliff, but repeal the dairy cliff.
 
2012-12-22 11:32:58 AM
Milk is a government conspiracy.
 
2012-12-22 11:44:06 AM
Given the current state of the fiscal cliff talks and Congress' inability to get things done in general, dairy lovers might want to stock up now.


Yes.  Everyone, go out and buy a whole bunch of milk now so that you have enough for next year.
 
2012-12-22 11:44:13 AM
Then no one will buy it and the price will fall to $0.25 a gallon.
 
2012-12-22 11:58:16 AM
thumbs.imagekind.com
 
2012-12-22 12:03:36 PM
"Guns will make us powerful; butter will only make us fat."

We're through the looking glass here, people.
 
2012-12-22 12:08:40 PM
So help me god, if I can't make my morning latte heads are going to roll.
 
2012-12-22 12:10:13 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: So help me god, if I can't make my morning latte heads are going to roll.


I don't think this involves Laotian breast milk, so you're cool.
 
2012-12-22 12:21:39 PM
What do you tip a good cow?
 
2012-12-22 12:23:14 PM
Forget gasoline, if congress doesn't address the "dairy cliff", milk could hit $7 a gallon next year

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
Two birds with one stone.
 
2012-12-22 12:23:33 PM
Higher prices will help out the family farms and mega corporations.

It's a win win.
 
2012-12-22 12:24:06 PM

Nothing To See Here: What do you tip a good cow?


on her left.
 
2012-12-22 12:24:17 PM
The real question is whole or 1%. Or 1% vs. 2%. I don't understand skim.
 
2012-12-22 12:26:14 PM
ftfa: National Milk Producers Federation, which represents over 30,000 dairy farmers

we have 30,000 dairy farmers ? yeah right. in what year, 1945 ? that's 600 per state. aand they dont make milk in alaska. what are they counting all the employees of the like 5 agrifarms that we have ?
 
2012-12-22 12:28:20 PM
Well, I guess I'll have to convert my car to run on something else now.
 
2012-12-22 12:32:26 PM

JerkStore: Well, I guess I'll have to convert my car to run on something else now.


Get a Horse.
 
2012-12-22 12:35:23 PM

LordZorch: The last thing we need is congress meddling even more with agricultural issues and maintaining misguided corrupt depression era price-fixing on dairy products anything.


Fixed.
 
2012-12-22 12:37:06 PM
so we've moved on from calling everything -"gate" to referring to everything a "cliff?" the media is so uninspired.
 
2012-12-22 12:39:42 PM

Relatively Obscure: Yes. Everyone, go out and buy a whole bunch of milk now so that you have enough for next year.


would accept your challenge if I were a milk drinker

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-22 12:39:56 PM

NewportBarGuy: Then no one will buy it and the price will fall to $0.25 a gallon.


No, the government will buy all the milk that farmers want to sell at $7 a gallon. You think the farmer will sell to anyone else for less than $7? Thanks government, keep up the good work!
 
2012-12-22 12:40:01 PM
Why would the feds want to keep the price up? The conservative in me says let the market decide what the real price of milk is.
 
2012-12-22 12:42:20 PM
The price of a quart of milk suddenly doubled (and has stayed there) months ago in my area. Kind of sucked, because my Grandma likes her cream of wheat or oatmeal made with milk, and also eats cold cereal from time to  time, so it's not an option to not buy it. She's a picky eater,  too, so we get her what she wants.

Luckily for me, the price of cheese has remained stable. I must have cheese. I also have almost always cooked for a living and use dairy in many of my cooking experiments, so....

I dunno, dudes. I have mixed emotions about this whole thing.
 
2012-12-22 12:42:31 PM
It works like this: In order to keep dairy farmers in businesses, the government agrees to buy milk and other products if the price gets too low. The current agriculture bill has a formula that means the government steps in if the price of milk were to drop by roughly half from its current national average of about $3.65 a gallon.

Why don't we get out of the price fixing business and let the market dictate the price?
 
2012-12-22 12:46:24 PM

YouFarkingIdiot: No, the government will buy all the milk that farmers want to sell at $7 a gallon. You think the farmer will sell to anyone else for less than $7? Thanks government, keep up the good work!


No, they'll dump it. I remember those images from years ago of dairy farmers dumping their product. But, as far as I understand, there is no government contract to support prices, which is why this is an issue. Am I misreading it?
 
2012-12-22 12:46:49 PM
Let the market set the price!
 
kth
2012-12-22 12:54:32 PM
If I forget to bring my bottle back that's what it costs me.

/buy from the mennonites down the street.
//instead of a sell by date, it has a milked at time.
///sometimes it is still warm
 
2012-12-22 12:56:30 PM
Udderly ridiculous.
 
2012-12-22 12:57:25 PM

12349876: Relatively Obscure: Yes. Everyone, go out and buy a whole bunch of milk now so that you have enough for next year.

would accept your challenge if I were a milk drinker

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 289x360]


I wouldn't be a milk drinker either, if that was my option.
 
2012-12-22 12:59:23 PM

PreMortem: Milk is a government conspiracy.


humans are the only animals that consume milk beyond childhood
 
2012-12-22 01:00:19 PM

Cerebral Infarktion: PreMortem: Milk is a government conspiracy.

humans are the only animals that consume milk beyond childhood


House cats around the world disagree.
 
2012-12-22 01:00:27 PM
Came for pictures of Bart holding Malk

Leaving disappointed
 
2012-12-22 01:01:40 PM
Remove birth control and sex education classes from the farm. Teach Holsteins abstinence and promote the value of religion, then watch the bovine birthrate soar. More cows, more milk, problem solved.
 
2012-12-22 01:01:58 PM

Generation_D: How about we start pushing congressmen off a real cliff til they quit teabagging and start doing their jobs.


If by "doing their jobs", you mean spending our tax dollars with no clue where they are going (Ben Bernanke certainly won't tell where trillions went), they are doing great!
 
2012-12-22 01:02:01 PM
Meanwhile, COLA, PerDiem and payraise increases for every politian in DC.
 
2012-12-22 01:02:19 PM

Cerebral Infarktion: PreMortem: Milk is a government conspiracy.

humans are the only animals that consume milk beyond childhood


probably eating pizza too
 
2012-12-22 01:03:46 PM
www.mikescadblog.com
 
2012-12-22 01:03:58 PM

haywatchthis: Cerebral Infarktion: PreMortem: Milk is a government conspiracy.

humans are the only animals that consume milk beyond childhood

probably eating pizza too


Humans are the only animals that cook food.
 
2012-12-22 01:05:46 PM
We cheddar hope enough people have a beef with this to moove congress to action. They are showing a lactose of concern right now and colby in trouble.
 
2012-12-22 01:07:51 PM
Here's the thing. Unless you are lactose intolerant milk and dairy are good for you. In fact, milk is fortified nutritionally as part of a long-standing national health program. It is in the nation's vital interests for milk to be cheap and plentiful. Hence subsidies to dairy farmers.

We aren't going to eliminate the health program. The only question is whether the government raises the cattle and sells the milk and requires every resident to consume it or whether the government subsidizes private dairy farmers.

And let's not forget that it is the height of stupidity to be the only country in the world that does not support agriculture. Unless you really want to import most of our food from China or something.

Remember that our farmers have to compete on the global market and other countries do subsidize businesses on a regular basis. For some reason this escapes "free market" types. There is and never will be a free market because nobody else wants to play that game. There is no level playing field.
 
2012-12-22 01:07:55 PM
ottawaraw.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-22 01:08:25 PM

bmihura: Generation_D: How about we start pushing congressmen off a real cliff til they quit teabagging and start doing their jobs.

If by "doing their jobs", you mean spending our tax dollars with no clue where they are going (Ben Bernanke certainly won't tell where trillions went), they are doing great!


I believe you'll find those trillians went to Iraq, Afghanistan and the Bush tax credits when they had to be counted on the budget in 2009.
 
2012-12-22 01:10:12 PM

eldoobie: [ottawaraw.files.wordpress.com image 314x295]


Whoever wrote that should've had more milk in school.
 
2012-12-22 01:13:02 PM
Milk has been over $7 a gallon here for a long time (USVI). We just don't buy liquid milk unless it is the dry stuff cause a recipe calls for it. We get our calcium from Wisconsin cheese (we have tons of it in the fridge) and yogurt.
 
2012-12-22 01:18:17 PM

duffblue: The real question is whole or 1%. Or 1% vs. 2%. I don't understand skim.


If I wanted to drink something that tasted like butter, I'd melt some in a microwave.
 
2012-12-22 01:20:57 PM
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These dudes are ecstatic!
 
2012-12-22 01:21:37 PM
I buy a half gallon a week for my Cheerios. Oh well.
 
2012-12-22 01:25:05 PM

aevert: duffblue: The real question is whole or 1%. Or 1% vs. 2%. I don't understand skim.

If I wanted to drink something that tasted like butter, I'd melt some in a microwave.


If I wanted to drink something that tasted like water, I'd get it from the faucet.
 
2012-12-22 01:28:05 PM
Half gallon of milk jumped here a whole 19 cents the other week. Of course this being California I can go down the road to get it straight from the cow.
 
2012-12-22 01:28:47 PM
Well, there's always Malk. Now with vitamin R.
 
2012-12-22 01:28:49 PM

mrmaster: Milk has been over $7 a gallon here for a long time (USVI). We just don't buy liquid milk unless it is the dry stuff cause a recipe calls for it. We get our calcium from Wisconsin cheese (we have tons of it in the fridge) and yogurt.


have fun pooping
 
2012-12-22 01:29:05 PM
Good. Milk is absolutely horrible for anyone over the age of 2.
 
2012-12-22 01:29:28 PM

NewportBarGuy: YouFarkingIdiot: No, the government will buy all the milk that farmers want to sell at $7 a gallon. You think the farmer will sell to anyone else for less than $7? Thanks government, keep up the good work!

No, they'll dump it. I remember those images from years ago of dairy farmers dumping their product. But, as far as I understand, there is no government contract to support prices, which is why this is an issue. Am I misreading it?


I'm unclear too. There currently IS a plan to support a price floor where the govt pays the farmer a subsidy if the market price falls below a certain level. A guaranteed minimum price.

And it's not $7. It sounds like they're saying the $7 price would be due to a weird, inactive 1949 law that would somehow rise from the dead and automatically apply if current subsidies expire. I don't understand this law and how it could dictate a $7 market price.

How do you dictate a market price with a law? The subsidy's probably like "Milk is $3.50/gal at Walmart, Walmart pays the dairy $1.50/gal, but the govt guaranteed $2.50/gal so they chip in a $1 subsidy to the dairy". OK, if that subsidy disappears, milk probably can't go up to $4.50/gal without compromising sales (if they could charge a higher price today, they would!). The low sales at a lower net price for the farmer will drive farmers out of business.

TFA says "the formula for calculating the price the government pays for dairy products reverts back to a 1949 statute. Under that formula, the government would be forced to buy milk at twice today's price -- driving up the cost for everyone." OK, so the old law guarantees the govt will pay $7/gal to the dairy?? Holy crap that's a lot of govt cheese.

But the govt can't SELL the same amount of milk at $7/gal. The market won't support that, so TFA is full of shiat! This sounds like a huge, attractive gift to dairy producers, and a tremendous cost burden to the govt.
 
2012-12-22 01:30:36 PM
 
2012-12-22 01:32:51 PM

Cerebral Infarktion: PreMortem: Milk is a government conspiracy.

humans are the only animals that consume milk beyond childhood


We are the only ones that wipe our asses after we crap and create medicines to treat diseases that affect us too, what is your point?
 
2012-12-22 01:33:55 PM

Oznog: NTFA says "the formula for calculating the price the government pays for dairy products reverts back to a 1949 statute. Under that formula, the government would be forced to buy milk at twice today's price -- driving up the cost for everyone." OK, so the old law guarantees the govt will pay $7/gal to the dairy?? Holy crap that's a lot of govt cheese.

But the govt can't SELL the same amount of milk at $7/gal. The market won't support that, so TFA is full of shiat! This sounds like a huge, attractive gift to dairy producers, and a tremendous cost burden to the govt.


Actually, wait, what's gonna happen is the producers are going to INCREASE production as fast as possible, due to the absurdly inflated govt-purchase price. It's white gold. This will do the opposite- flood the market with milk that will actually REDUCE the shelf price to something absurdly low. But the govt will be hemorrhaging money into the dairy producers. If it goes on long enough, dairies will become accustomed by ridiculous profit margins, then the govt will "fix" the price fixing problem, and the industry will crash hard, and many producers will go out of business, likely reducing production below current pre-crisis levels. THEN the price will go way way up.
 
2012-12-22 01:36:54 PM

Mimic_Octopus: ftfa: National Milk Producers Federation, which represents over 30,000 dairy farmers

we have 30,000 dairy farmers ? yeah right. in what year, 1945 ? that's 600 per state. aand they dont make milk in alaska. what are they counting all the employees of the like 5 agrifarms that we have ?


Wasn't there a reporter who discovered that the Agriculture Department had a list of "farmers" in Manhattan who were receiving crop subsidies? And then there are the thousands of people who received $50k Pigford settlements because they were Black and had "attempted to farm" but were thwarted by the racist USDA. When the government is handing money out, people get creative.
 
2012-12-22 01:40:26 PM
Nguyen-ing!
 
2012-12-22 01:40:34 PM
Time for me to get my own cow.
/Now where do I go to find fat pregger chicks that's lactating in Chicago
 
2012-12-22 01:45:08 PM

BolloxReader: And let's not forget that it is the height of stupidity to be the only country in the world that does not support agriculture. Unless you really want to import most of our food from China or something.


Given how well milk keeps I'm not convinced that importing it from China wouldn't work very well.
 
2012-12-22 01:46:42 PM
Remember when candidate Obama promised no new tax increases on the poor and middle class? I guess this technically doesn't count, but certainly the poor and middle class will be the only ones hit by this.

I'm glad the rich guy who only cares about rich people didn't get elected.
 
2012-12-22 01:48:28 PM
So no more of this then?

img204.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-22 01:48:38 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Forget gasoline, if congress doesn't address the "dairy cliff", milk could hit $7 a gallon next year

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 600x594]
Two birds with one stone.


Of all images i expected in this thread, this was the least likely.
 
2012-12-22 01:48:40 PM

Mimic_Octopus: ftfa: National Milk Producers Federation, which represents over 30,000 dairy farmers

we have 30,000 dairy farmers ? yeah right. in what year, 1945 ? that's 600 per state. aand they dont make milk in alaska. what are they counting all the employees of the like 5 agrifarms that we have ?


Get out of the city. I live in Ohio, 15 miles outside Toledo, and I know of 3 small family dairy farms within 10 miles of me, and I don't even get out much.
 
2012-12-22 01:54:07 PM

Generation_D: How about we start pushing congressmen off a real cliff til they quit teabagging and start doing their jobs.


That's the only solution that will ever actually accomplish something. Brandish a stick instead of the current tactic of a choice of carrots.

It's not like congress faces any negative consequences for nonstop delaying. Voters will have forgotten all about this by the time any reelection comes around. They'll vote for the same party they've always voted for, and the only thing they'll remember is the most recent mudslinging ad on television.
 
2012-12-22 01:55:04 PM
In all seriousness, it seems like a cow would be more cost effective if this happens.

/gallon of milk a day, every lifting day
 
2012-12-22 01:55:38 PM
Good. This may encourage change in an industry that's been needing it for decades.
 
2012-12-22 02:02:18 PM
No problem here. While cheese is delicious, the American waistline could probably do with a bit less of it being subsidized to such low levels.
 
2012-12-22 02:03:36 PM
Well I guess it's time to finally buy the cow.
 
2012-12-22 02:14:35 PM
In Quebec milk prices are regulated (gallon is already over 7$); not only that but there are quotas for farmers to protect the small farms. Alot of milk ends up in the ditches because of that apparently. Exportation is not allowed AFAIK.

/lactose intolerant. It sucks, i like cheese. Lactase caplets only work so much. I use almond milk in my cereal because i don't like soy milk's taste.

//there is lactose free milk but it costs almost 10$ a gallon. Very little lactose free cheese too.
 
2012-12-22 02:15:50 PM
What about Asian cultures that are mostly vegetable and fish and rice based? They don't drink as much milk as 'Mericans, and yet they don't collapse in a pile of crunchy half-formed skeleton.

The truth: milk (and cheese!!) are yummy. But their necessity to the typical diet is significantly overrated.
In fact, volume of milk intake is related to an increase in prostate cancer.

So, yay for milk and cheese, etc. But it's not as mandatory as the dairy industry would have you think.

If I were a cow farmer, how could I make as much money as possible from my herd? I'd tell people that beef is an important part of their diet. So I'd make as many cows as I could. But, with all these cows having babies, they'd be making a lot of milk. I wonder if I can sell it? Sure I could, if I likewise told people that it was mandatory. Brilliant!
 
2012-12-22 02:17:42 PM

Relatively Obscure: aevert: duffblue: The real question is whole or 1%. Or 1% vs. 2%. I don't understand skim.

If I wanted to drink something that tasted like butter, I'd melt some in a microwave.

If I wanted to drink something that tasted like water, I'd get it from the faucet.


Water doesn't have calcium. Of course, I don't drink milk anymore and I get my calcium from cheese and Tums.
 
2012-12-22 02:23:12 PM

kth: If I forget to bring my bottle back that's what it costs me.

/buy from the mennonites down the street.
//instead of a sell by date, it has a milked at time.
///sometimes it is still warm


Mennonites are farking awesome.
They make the best chocolate and meat here. There are PRE-orders for some of their stuff.
 
2012-12-22 02:32:18 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: So no more of this then?

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WTF? I don't even....
 
2012-12-22 02:45:00 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: thisisyourbrainonFark: So no more of this then?

[img204.imageshack.us image 500x300]

WTF? I don't even....


C'mon, you've been around this place too long to have not seen that before.
 
2012-12-22 02:54:23 PM

Cerebral Infarktion: PreMortem: Milk is a government conspiracy.

humans are the only animals that consume milk beyond childhood


Humans are the only animals that have made these:

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net

Where were you going with this train of thought?
 
2012-12-22 03:06:24 PM
Cow Juice is Nasty (imo).

Rice milk is delicious.

Flame on.

i94.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-22 03:08:49 PM

Generation_D: How about we start pushing congressmen off a real cliff til they quit teabagging and start doing their jobs.


I'm in.
 
2012-12-22 03:10:10 PM

Eps05: Very little lactose free cheese too.


Real cheese (ie. not processed cheese like food product) is almost always effectively lactose free.

The milk sugars (including lactose) get eaten by the lacto bacteria and converted to lactic acid, which is what makes the cheese tasty.

Any aged cheese should be fine to eat, as long as you don't eat it by the pound.

That's as long as lactose is your only problem with dairy though. If you've got casein problems that's a whole different can of worms.
 
2012-12-22 03:13:25 PM
I can't wait for the US to get back to capitalism.

This freakish form of Socialism we've been playing with since 1930 just hasn't panned out.

But on the bright side, we have $16 trillion in debt.
 
2012-12-22 03:14:00 PM
 
2012-12-22 03:15:39 PM

dmax: What about Asian cultures that are mostly vegetable and fish and rice based? They don't drink as much milk as 'Mericans, and yet they don't collapse in a pile of crunchy half-formed skeleton.


They eat lots of seaweeds that are high in calcium.

I've drunk soy milk my entire life and can't understand why people find the taste weird. Maybe if you're drinking the kind with added sugar, but otherwise...
 
2012-12-22 03:15:42 PM

eldoobie:


I've seen better on 4chan... er i mean worse... i mean I've never been to 4chan at all.
 
2012-12-22 03:18:30 PM

tshauk: Cow Juice is Nasty (imo).

Rice milk is delicious.

Flame on.

[i94.photobucket.com image 175x175]


Rice milk isn't.
 
2012-12-22 03:19:53 PM

Oznog: NewportBarGuy: YouFarkingIdiot: No, the government will buy all the milk that farmers want to sell at $7 a gallon. You think the farmer will sell to anyone else for less than $7? Thanks government, keep up the good work!

No, they'll dump it. I remember those images from years ago of dairy farmers dumping their product. But, as far as I understand, there is no government contract to support prices, which is why this is an issue. Am I misreading it?

I'm unclear too. There currently IS a plan to support a price floor where the govt pays the farmer a subsidy if the market price falls below a certain level. A guaranteed minimum price.

And it's not $7. It sounds like they're saying the $7 price would be due to a weird, inactive 1949 law that would somehow rise from the dead and automatically apply if current subsidies expire. I don't understand this law and how it could dictate a $7 market price.

How do you dictate a market price with a law? The subsidy's probably like "Milk is $3.50/gal at Walmart, Walmart pays the dairy $1.50/gal, but the govt guaranteed $2.50/gal so they chip in a $1 subsidy to the dairy". OK, if that subsidy disappears, milk probably can't go up to $4.50/gal without compromising sales (if they could charge a higher price today, they would!). The low sales at a lower net price for the farmer will drive farmers out of business.

TFA says "the formula for calculating the price the government pays for dairy products reverts back to a 1949 statute. Under that formula, the government would be forced to buy milk at twice today's price -- driving up the cost for everyone." OK, so the old law guarantees the govt will pay $7/gal to the dairy?? Holy crap that's a lot of govt cheese.

But the govt can't SELL the same amount of milk at $7/gal. The market won't support that, so TFA is full of shiat! This sounds like a huge, attractive gift to dairy producers, and a tremendous cost burden to the govt.


It is an entitlement program. The government will purchase milk at seven dollars a gallon. Because it is the law, the government has to purchase.
 
2012-12-22 03:20:03 PM

SanjiSasuke: /gallon of milk a day, every lifting day


Wow, do you have five kids? Even if I take the extra few minutes in the morning to make a cappuccino, I don't use a half gallon before it goes bad.
 
2012-12-22 03:22:14 PM

Slam1263: I can't wait for the US to get back to capitalism.

This freakish form of Socialism we've been playing with since 1930 just hasn't panned out.

But on the bright side, we have $16 trillion in debt.


Yeah, because the US was such an awesome place to live before 1930.
 
2012-12-22 03:22:22 PM
We don't have a cow, we have a bull
 
2012-12-22 03:25:46 PM
ctboom.com
 
2012-12-22 03:26:01 PM

Oldiron_79: We don't have a cow, we have a bull


you milk the bull
 
2012-12-22 03:31:51 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: thisisyourbrainonFark: So no more of this then?

[img204.imageshack.us image 500x300]

WTF? I don't even....


farm1.staticflickr.com

spf.fotolog.com

i46.photobucket.com

NSFW

How does this not make any sense to you? It's an obvious allegory on the plight of the people of Paraguay.
 
2012-12-22 03:32:13 PM

haywatchthis: Oldiron_79: We don't have a cow, we have a bull

you milk the bull


Come again?
 
2012-12-22 03:32:50 PM
Scare tactics aside, it might be better if everyone drank a lot less milk. Let the Dairy Council moan, but cereal should be an exception, not a norm. We drink too much of the stuff. Some would say we shouldn't have any. I'm no vegan, but do we really need to go through a gallon ever couple of days?
 
2012-12-22 03:33:23 PM

shtychkn: Oznog: NewportBarGuy: YouFarkingIdiot: No, the government will buy all the milk that farmers want to sell at $7 a gallon. You think the farmer will sell to anyone else for less than $7? Thanks government, keep up the good work!

No, they'll dump it. I remember those images from years ago of dairy farmers dumping their product. But, as far as I understand, there is no government contract to support prices, which is why this is an issue. Am I misreading it?

I'm unclear too. There currently IS a plan to support a price floor where the govt pays the farmer a subsidy if the market price falls below a certain level. A guaranteed minimum price.

And it's not $7. It sounds like they're saying the $7 price would be due to a weird, inactive 1949 law that would somehow rise from the dead and automatically apply if current subsidies expire. I don't understand this law and how it could dictate a $7 market price.

How do you dictate a market price with a law? The subsidy's probably like "Milk is $3.50/gal at Walmart, Walmart pays the dairy $1.50/gal, but the govt guaranteed $2.50/gal so they chip in a $1 subsidy to the dairy". OK, if that subsidy disappears, milk probably can't go up to $4.50/gal without compromising sales (if they could charge a higher price today, they would!). The low sales at a lower net price for the farmer will drive farmers out of business.

TFA says "the formula for calculating the price the government pays for dairy products reverts back to a 1949 statute. Under that formula, the government would be forced to buy milk at twice today's price -- driving up the cost for everyone." OK, so the old law guarantees the govt will pay $7/gal to the dairy?? Holy crap that's a lot of govt cheese.

But the govt can't SELL the same amount of milk at $7/gal. The market won't support that, so TFA is full of shiat! This sounds like a huge, attractive gift to dairy producers, and a tremendous cost burden to the govt.

It is an entitlement program. The government will purchase milk at seven dollars a gallon. Because it is the law, the government has to purchase.


It's not an entitlement if it's going to white people. It's "a critical program to safeguard our agricultural sector."
 
2012-12-22 03:41:48 PM
The important thing here is that Obama and his $35,000 p/plate hedge fund friends will still be able to afford milk for their children.
 
2012-12-22 03:45:07 PM
With Congress spending all its time trying to avert the fiscal cliff, a slew of other legislative matters are going unattended. One of them is the agriculture bill which, if not addressed, could lead to a doubling of the price of milk early next year.

/not that it matters. Nobody is going to be employed anyway. Cant even afford to get milk now.
 
2012-12-22 03:45:50 PM

swahnhennessy: Scare tactics aside, it might be better if everyone drank a lot less milk. Let the Dairy Council moan, but cereal should be an exception, not a norm. We drink too much of the stuff. Some would say we shouldn't have any. I'm no vegan, but do we really need to go through a gallon ever couple of days?


So, you base your consumption of food on using only what you need and no more than that? Or do you simply want to base other people's consumption on what you think they should need?
 
2012-12-22 03:52:13 PM

Mimic_Octopus: ftfa: National Milk Producers Federation, which represents over 30,000 dairy farmers

we have 30,000 dairy farmers ? yeah right. in what year, 1945 ? that's 600 per state. aand they dont make milk in alaska. what are they counting all the employees of the like 5 agrifarms that we have ?


I don't know about 30k but ill believe 20k. CA has 1700 just for cows, 120 just in my tiny remote county. Large parts of the state are unsuitable for dairy. Production averaged 3.1 billion gallons a month in 2011, around 28% of national production. Seems like bullshiat, but the numbers exist

www.cdfa.ca.org/dairy. Data is in PDF pages.
 
2012-12-22 04:06:04 PM
www.t-nation.com

inconsolable
 
2012-12-22 04:13:46 PM

tshauk: Cow Juice is Nasty (imo).

Rice milk is delicious.

Flame on.

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Rice milk is nasty. And useless in tea.

/and tea is where it counts
//meh, my soy milk prices are stable, I'm happy
 
2012-12-22 04:15:59 PM

astouffer: Why would the feds want to keep the price up? The conservative in me says let the market decide what the real price of milk is.


The feds are keeping the price down. The 'real' price of milk would be a lot higher to the end user without subsidies shoring up net margins and allowing low priced wholesaling.

Dairies have to get X amount per gallon to stay in business. One of the local dairymen told me a few weeks ago what price X was for the average breakover point, but I don't remember what it was now. :/ I was, however, surprised that the price difference between Rich Like Midas, and having to fire people and shovel the shiat themselves was within such a small pricing range.
 
2012-12-22 04:22:53 PM
Great, and unlike other items which I can simply avoid if the price goes too high, we all have to buy this expensive milk whether we drink it or not. Either pay $7 at the store or through your taxes.

Why the hell would the government, even in 1949, have set up such a stupid clause?
 
2012-12-22 04:24:26 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: So no more of this then?

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WTF am I looking at? o_O
 
2012-12-22 04:25:17 PM
We drink a minimum of a gallon a day so .... do not want.
 
2012-12-22 04:32:21 PM
I stopped drinking milk because I couldn't keep that shiat in the fridge long enough without it spoiling.

In my old crappy fridge, it would spoil in a matter of days.

In my new fridge, it spoils in about 2 weeks.

I got tired of throwing away full unopened half gallon containers.

Now I use silk almond milk, I think it will spoil eventually, but I finish it before it does.

The big game changer is that if the container isn't open, it doesn't even need refrigeration.

// basically only use milk on cereal and for cooking desserts.

// The blue diamond almond milk sucks ass.
 
2012-12-22 04:33:39 PM

Tommy Moo: Why the hell would the government, even in 1949, have set up such a stupid clause?


In 1949, milk was considered a staple. It was synonymous with 'food' and if people couldn't afford 'food' (milk), then they would starve. Milk was one of the basic elements of a nutritious meal at the time. It's currently still seen that way in public schools in the US, fwiw.
 
2012-12-22 04:40:51 PM

astouffer: Why would the feds want to keep the price up? The conservative in me says let the market decide what the real price of milk is.


Back in the Depression, the effect of the combination of an economic slowdown and the gold standard was price deflation. Conflating cause and effect, FDR decided that you could end the Depression by increasing prices back to what they previously were. (You know that famous scene in The Grapes of Wrath where oranges are burned? That wasn't done by private industry; that was done by government edict.)

And once we started price supports, we wound up with people getting money from them, and the people getting money hired lobbyists and elected congressmen to defend them. So FDR's idiocy is still law today.
 
2012-12-22 04:46:33 PM
Actually, the US ran out of that yonks ago. Fresh and dehydrated. We've been using the emergency back-up supply.
 
2012-12-22 04:48:27 PM

Rufus Lee King: If I'm going to pay that much for milk, it had better have knives in it.


It better be milk plus little brother.
 
2012-12-22 04:55:06 PM

Oznog: But the govt can't SELL the same amount of milk at $7/gal. The market won't support that, so TFA is full of shiat!


You don't understand, the government doesn't sell the milk it buys. The whole point of the law is to make the price go up, and obviously it couldn't if the government were allowed to sell it. Instead, some of it is given away in food aid programs, some is powdered and warehoused. It used to be that much was simply poured into sewers, but I think that eventually was prohibited. There might be a few other uses allowed, but, basically, if the government buys it in a price support program, it's intentionally never supposed to show up in the US market again.

So, if you want milk, you'll have to outbid the government, which is paying $7/gallon for it. Otherwise the dairy farmers will sell it to the government, and it leaves the market just as surely as if it had been simply dumped into a sewer,
 
2012-12-22 04:56:31 PM

mrmaster: Milk has been over $7 a gallon here for a long time (USVI). We just don't buy liquid milk unless it is the dry stuff cause a recipe calls for it. We get our calcium from Wisconsin cheese (we have tons of it in the fridge) and yogurt.


You are doing it wrong. Dairy has binders that stop the absorption of calcium. You get more from green leafys then that stuff.
 
2012-12-22 05:02:34 PM
And who will be blamed for this? The free market of course!
 
2012-12-22 05:03:17 PM
"...if a new bill isn't passed or the current one extended, the formula for calculating the price the government pays for dairy products reverts back to a 1949 statute. Under that formula, the government would be forced to buy milk at twice today's price -- driving up the cost for everyone...."

----
Virtually every economic problem we have is caused by excesive government, politicians, bureaucrats, repeat. Interestingly with Nero the economy will implode quicker than with Romney; if we're lucky we may be able to restrain the behemoth. Policies tried in Detroit and EUnuchstan are being treated as instruction manuals.
 
2012-12-22 05:04:02 PM
Well, I've been doing it wrong all along. Where I live, milk has been over $7 a gallon for years.
 
2012-12-22 05:08:16 PM

Anthracite: mrmaster: Milk has been over $7 a gallon here for a long time (USVI). We just don't buy liquid milk unless it is the dry stuff cause a recipe calls for it. We get our calcium from Wisconsin cheese (we have tons of it in the fridge) and yogurt.

You are doing it wrong. Dairy has binders that stop the absorption of calcium. You get more from green leafys then that stuff.


He's doing it right.  Cheese is awesome and the calcium is fine.
 
2012-12-22 05:20:22 PM
Cliff-gate.
 
2012-12-22 05:34:07 PM

ISO15693: Good. Milk is absolutely horrible for anyone over the age of 2.


Nope. Nice try though.
 
2012-12-22 05:36:45 PM
Tell me again how we have to raise taxes. Farm subsidies are just another area we can cut. If you cannot make as a farmer/automaker/solar panel builder/high speed rail operator/airline/ etc etc without reaching directly into the taxpayer's pocket you need to rework your business model or consider a new line of work.

The Dairy industry is perhaps the worst. Paying dairy farmers to go out of business. Subsidies for "Western" Dairy farmers" but not the same for "Eastern" Dairy Farmers and other such BS.

Paying farmers not to grow crops is just another part of the tyrant FDR's legacy that is destroying us today-Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933. Thank you so much big government and socialism.
 
2012-12-22 05:37:27 PM

hockeychick: ISO15693: Good. Milk is absolutely horrible for anyone over the age of 2.

Nope. Nice try though.


FTFY.
 
2012-12-22 05:40:47 PM

hasty ambush: Tell me again how we have to raise taxes. Farm subsidies are just another area we can cut. If you cannot make as a farmer/automaker/solar panel builder/high speed rail operator/airline/ etc etc without reaching directly into the taxpayer's pocket you need to rework your business model or consider a new line of work.

The Dairy industry is perhaps the worst. Paying dairy farmers to go out of business. Subsidies for "Western" Dairy farmers" but not the same for "Eastern" Dairy Farmers and other such BS.

Paying farmers not to grow crops is just another part of the tyrant FDR's legacy that is destroying us today-Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933. Thank you so much big government and socialism.


There is no "Paying farmers not to grow crops." Not a part of the farm bill. You are either thinking CRP or the defunct set-aside program.
 
2012-12-22 05:42:20 PM

ArcadianRefugee: hockeychick: ISO15693: Good. Milk is absolutely horrible for anyone over the age of 2.

Nope. Nice try though.

FTFY.


I like milk. It's not horrible in moderation, just like most things. Yeah, drinking a gallon a day will cause harm, but a glass isn't going to kill you.
 
2012-12-22 05:47:27 PM
The 2 are kind of tied together since it takes quite a bit of diesel to keep it cool while its being shipped and it has to be shipped quickly since you can't freeze it
 
2012-12-22 05:53:42 PM
Milk isn't nearly as important as people are lead to believe. Most people would be better off drinking water.

The health value is greatly over-stated, IMHO. Same with juice too.

Sure, if you are otherwise healthy and active, it won't matter one way or another; and if you aren't otherwise healthy or active, you're farked no mater what you drink. Still, the idea that the government should be subsidizing milk is ridiculous.
 
2012-12-22 05:58:14 PM
Wouldn't you know it, the same middle America teabagger farmers who think we should cut every governement entitlement program because libruls are evil are more than happy to take government farm subsidies for themselves.
 
2012-12-22 05:59:29 PM
Hope and change we can believe i.......

Oh what's the farking use? Libtards are gonna run us all off the cliff.
 
2012-12-22 06:19:22 PM
Anagrams for wardrobe malfunction:

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The above is a simulation of what half of Federal workers do every DAY. I just wasted my time for free.
 
2012-12-22 06:52:22 PM
How is this relevant to anyone over the age of six?
 
2012-12-22 06:54:43 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Hope and change we can believe i.......

Oh what's the farking use? Libtards are gonna run us all off the cliff.


assets0.ordienetworks.com
 
2012-12-22 06:58:15 PM

Cerebral Infarktion: humans are the only animals that consume milk beyond childhood


This is the singlemost dumbest thing I read on FARK today. Thank you. I can go to bed now.
 
2012-12-22 07:09:32 PM
Soy is poison, rice is sugar. Almond milk is where it's at.
 
2012-12-22 07:21:09 PM
www.jnanam.net

Not pleased with this churn of events


Link
 
2012-12-22 07:32:55 PM
Meanwhile, in Europe...

Link
 
2012-12-22 07:42:39 PM

LordZorch: The last thing we need is congress meddling even more with agricultural issues and maintaining misguided depression era price-fixing on dairy products.


I agree.
 
2012-12-22 07:42:58 PM
I am an absolute milkoholic.  I'll resort to serious crime to get my next gallon if I have to.
 
2012-12-22 07:47:14 PM
Why is government subsidizing the cost of milk in the first place? Shouldn't the price be left up to the free market.
 
2012-12-22 07:51:45 PM
Frederick: I am an absolute milkoholic.  I'll resort to serious crime to get my next gallon if I have to.

Have you ever sucked dick for Milk?
 
2012-12-22 08:25:07 PM

vodka: Soy is poison, rice is sugar. Almond milk is where it's at.


If where it's at is the land of disgusting, then yes.
 
2012-12-22 08:25:46 PM

Oldiron_79: Frederick: I am an absolute milkoholic.  I'll resort to serious crime to get my next gallon if I have to.

Have you ever sucked dick for Milk?


I dont think thats where it comes from....

\damn, that was a fine setup Oldiron_79 -too good perhaps.  So many ways to go from there.....
 
2012-12-22 08:26:25 PM

Warlordtrooper: Why is government subsidizing the cost of milk in the first place? Shouldn't the price be left up to the free market.


The free market is to blame when the government's interferences go bad. Then the government can save us from the hazards of the free market with more interferences.
 
2012-12-22 09:29:06 PM
Uh, this doesn't really concern me. If you think about milk it is an incredible bargain. Typically, a good deal on a healthy food is $1/lb. At $7/gallon it is STILL less than $1/lb.

I mean sometimes I can get chicken at $1/lb, eggs are never that cheap, I can't think of any other animal product that is that inexpensive.

Fruits, veggies, pasta, beans, other staples can be $1/lb but the list of animal products is short.

Now if all food goes up that much then I might be screwed. If it is just milk, then I will just not buy something fancy and extremely expensive like doughnuts...
 
2012-12-22 09:40:34 PM

hockeychick: hasty ambush: Tell me again how we have to raise taxes. Farm subsidies are just another area we can cut. If you cannot make as a farmer/automaker/solar panel builder/high speed rail operator/airline/ etc etc without reaching directly into the taxpayer's pocket you need to rework your business model or consider a new line of work.

The Dairy industry is perhaps the worst. Paying dairy farmers to go out of business. Subsidies for "Western" Dairy farmers" but not the same for "Eastern" Dairy Farmers and other such BS.

Paying farmers not to grow crops is just another part of the tyrant FDR's legacy that is destroying us today-Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933. Thank you so much big government and socialism.

There is no "Paying farmers not to grow crops." Not a part of the farm bill. You are either thinking CRP or the defunct set-aside program.


The CRP pays farmers not grow crops a policy that started witeh FDR:

"More farmers than expected applied to put their land in a government program that pays the farmers not to plant crops and not all of the acres could be accommodated, the U.S. Department of Agriculture said Friday" "The USDA spends about $1.8 billion a year on the program, paying "rent" to land owners."
 
2012-12-22 09:45:50 PM

Anthracite: mrmaster: Milk has been over $7 a gallon here for a long time (USVI). We just don't buy liquid milk unless it is the dry stuff cause a recipe calls for it. We get our calcium from Wisconsin cheese (we have tons of it in the fridge) and yogurt.

You are doing it wrong. Dairy has binders that stop the absorption of calcium. You get more from green leafys then that stuff.


Although I agree that green leafys are healthier than milk due to their lack of animal fat and because of the many other benefits, I disagree that dairy 'has binders that stop the absorption of calcium.' that make green leafys a better source of calcium in particular.

The organic or mineral calcium bound to casein is readily released during digestion, and there is general agreement that its potential bioavailability is high. Most solubility studies use milk calcium as a reference standard. The calcium in spinach, which is present as an insoluble oxalate, is taken as the extreme example of poor bioavailability
 
2012-12-22 09:58:01 PM

hasty ambush: hockeychick: hasty ambush: Tell me again how we have to raise taxes. Farm subsidies are just another area we can cut. If you cannot make as a farmer/automaker/solar panel builder/high speed rail operator/airline/ etc etc without reaching directly into the taxpayer's pocket you need to rework your business model or consider a new line of work.

The Dairy industry is perhaps the worst. Paying dairy farmers to go out of business. Subsidies for "Western" Dairy farmers" but not the same for "Eastern" Dairy Farmers and other such BS.

Paying farmers not to grow crops is just another part of the tyrant FDR's legacy that is destroying us today-Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933. Thank you so much big government and socialism.

There is no "Paying farmers not to grow crops." Not a part of the farm bill. You are either thinking CRP or the defunct set-aside program.

The CRP pays farmers not grow crops a policy that started witeh FDR:

"More farmers than expected applied to put their land in a government program that pays the farmers not to plant crops and not all of the acres could be accommodated, the U.S. Department of Agriculture said Friday" "The USDA spends about $1.8 billion a year on the program, paying "rent" to land owners."


Not really. Most of what is in CRP is small 10 to 20 acre plots owned by non farmers. And getting into the CRP program isn't easy. The dirt must be classified as highly erodible first, which is not easy to get. If you really want to know how the program works visit your local FSA office.
 
2012-12-22 10:07:03 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Hope and change we can believe i.......

Oh what's the farking use? Libtards are gonna run us all off the cliff.


Newsflash, sparky- your guy lost. The Dems cleaned up. Even got more votes than Repubs did in the House. So... what? Did you think we were still going to do it your way? No. No we're farking not. Deal with it.

/I'm sure you're just trolling
 
2012-12-22 10:07:34 PM

hockeychick: hasty ambush: hockeychick: hasty ambush: Tell me again how we have to raise taxes. Farm subsidies are just another area we can cut. If you cannot make as a farmer/automaker/solar panel builder/high speed rail operator/airline/ etc etc without reaching directly into the taxpayer's pocket you need to rework your business model or consider a new line of work.

The Dairy industry is perhaps the worst. Paying dairy farmers to go out of business. Subsidies for "Western" Dairy farmers" but not the same for "Eastern" Dairy Farmers and other such BS.

Paying farmers not to grow crops is just another part of the tyrant FDR's legacy that is destroying us today-Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933. Thank you so much big government and socialism.

There is no "Paying farmers not to grow crops." Not a part of the farm bill. You are either thinking CRP or the defunct set-aside program.

The CRP pays farmers not grow crops a policy that started witeh FDR:

"More farmers than expected applied to put their land in a government program that pays the farmers not to plant crops and not all of the acres could be accommodated, the U.S. Department of Agriculture said Friday" "The USDA spends about $1.8 billion a year on the program, paying "rent" to land owners."

Not really. Most of what is in CRP is small 10 to 20 acre plots owned by non farmers. And getting into the CRP program isn't easy. The dirt must be classified as highly erodible first, which is not easy to get. If you really want to know how the program works visit your local FSA office.


So hard to get into it administers 30 million acres and the FDA is paying the land owners money not to grow food crops on it. Hence being paid not to grow food crops on the land.
 
2012-12-22 10:42:54 PM

hasty ambush: hockeychick: hasty ambush: hockeychick: hasty ambush: Tell me again how we have to raise taxes. Farm subsidies are just another area we can cut. If you cannot make as a farmer/automaker/solar panel builder/high speed rail operator/airline/ etc etc without reaching directly into the taxpayer's pocket you need to rework your business model or consider a new line of work.

The Dairy industry is perhaps the worst. Paying dairy farmers to go out of business. Subsidies for "Western" Dairy farmers" but not the same for "Eastern" Dairy Farmers and other such BS.

Paying farmers not to grow crops is just another part of the tyrant FDR's legacy that is destroying us today-Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933. Thank you so much big government and socialism.

There is no "Paying farmers not to grow crops." Not a part of the farm bill. You are either thinking CRP or the defunct set-aside program.

The CRP pays farmers not grow crops a policy that started witeh FDR:

"More farmers than expected applied to put their land in a government program that pays the farmers not to plant crops and not all of the acres could be accommodated, the U.S. Department of Agriculture said Friday" "The USDA spends about $1.8 billion a year on the program, paying "rent" to land owners."

Not really. Most of what is in CRP is small 10 to 20 acre plots owned by non farmers. And getting into the CRP program isn't easy. The dirt must be classified as highly erodible first, which is not easy to get. If you really want to know how the program works visit your local FSA office.

So hard to get into it administers 30 million acres and the FDA is paying the land owners money not to grow food crops on it. Hence being paid not to grow food crops on the land.


On marginal land at best. Not going to get much of anything on highly erodible land. But if you want to see it that way fine.
 
2012-12-22 10:49:01 PM
I will still buy as much as I have. 2-3 gallons a week. Because I like milk a lot.
 
2012-12-22 10:55:30 PM

sonnyboy11: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Hope and change we can believe i.......

Oh what's the farking use? Libtards are gonna run us all off the cliff.

Newsflash, sparky- your guy lost. The Dems cleaned up. Even got more votes than Repubs did in the House. So... what? Did you think we were still going to do it your way? No. No we're farking not. Deal with it.

/I'm sure you're just trolling


You're new here, aren't you? Newsflash for you: I voted for Obama, as I stated on numerous threads. I also gave arguments for voting for Obama. On numerous threads.

That still doesn't mean that most liberals in government are not morons.

BTW, "trolling" as an excuse for no rational response is really old and busted. But that's OK; you should probably wait for the talking points memo before you stick your neck out and stop using it. (To the tune of "This Old Man, an old Felix the Cat song: "Marching ants, marching ants, rootin' tootin' marching ants...")
 
2012-12-22 11:25:51 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: The price of a quart of milk suddenly doubled (and has stayed there) months ago in my area. Kind of sucked, because my Grandma likes her cream of wheat or oatmeal made with milk, and also eats cold cereal from time to  time, so it's not an option to not buy it. She's a picky eater,  too, so we get her what she wants.

Luckily for me, the price of cheese has remained stable. I must have cheese. I also have almost always cooked for a living and use dairy in many of my cooking experiments, so....

I dunno, dudes. I have mixed emotions about this whole thing.


FYI cheese is made with milk-if milk doubles in rice, cheese will quadruple.
My cheese sells for $13.00 a pound and my dairy is not subsidized by the government only regulated.
Have a nice day
 
2012-12-22 11:58:19 PM

Dairyman: FYI cheese is made with milk-if milk doubles in rice, cheese will quadruple.


Then clearly the solution to this cost increase is to buy more rice.
 
2012-12-23 12:00:58 AM

Seth'n'Spectrum: dmax: What about Asian cultures that are mostly vegetable and fish and rice based? They don't drink as much milk as 'Mericans, and yet they don't collapse in a pile of crunchy half-formed skeleton.

They eat lots of seaweeds that are high in calcium.

I've drunk soy milk my entire life and can't understand why people find the taste weird. Maybe if you're drinking the kind with added sugar, but otherwise...


Soy makes men grow boobs. Look up phytoestrogen.
 
2012-12-23 01:54:38 AM

Warrener: Eps05: Very little lactose free cheese too.
Real cheese (ie. not processed cheese like food product) is almost always effectively lactose free.
The milk sugars (including lactose) get eaten by the lacto bacteria and converted to lactic acid, which is what makes the cheese tasty.
Any aged cheese should be fine to eat, as long as you don't eat it by the pound.
That's as long as lactose is your only problem with dairy though. If you've got casein problems that's a whole different can of worms.


That's interesting. I'm not a big eater of cheese though (i mean - before i found out). Is there a list somewhere of the kinds of cheese? I remember eating some Havarti cheese (very partial to it) and not feeling well that evening. Sometimes i eat cheesey foods with lactase caplets and I still have stomach and intestinal pains. I know plain milk does hurt, so it doubt it's casein-intolerance or whatnot. What about secondary uses of milk, such as ice cream and milk chocolate?

Some things i eat say contains "(modified) milk ingredients" and if i don't take a caplet i won't feel well. At some point I'm wondering if i am not suffering a bit of nocebo effect. Another time i ate a Swiss cheeseburger with a caplet and an hour later I essentially lost all energy and almost fell asleep at the wheel. Had to take an emergency nap (I'm a truck driver).

Kinda wish I had a clear idea of what's going on, what i can do and what i cannot.
 
2012-12-23 02:39:22 AM
Horseshiat. The federal dairy price supports in this country make it at least twice what it would be on the open market as it is.
 
2012-12-23 03:25:22 AM

Tommy Moo: Great, and unlike other items which I can simply avoid if the price goes too high, we all have to buy this expensive milk whether we drink it or not. Either pay $7 at the store or through your taxes.

Why the hell would the government, even in 1949, have set up such a stupid clause?


Because 1948 was the year the federal government decided it was smarter than the combined intellect of American business and industry combined and started trying to control the national economy to create an eternal economic boom, instead of paying off the WWII debt as quickly as possible like what done after previous wars. Ego, in 1949, the federal government figured it was smart enough to control the price of milk to ensure it flowed like manna from heaven in mythology of old.
 
2012-12-23 06:20:21 AM
Or dairy farmers could just stop pouting milk into gutters to keep the price up through artificial scarcity? Just throwing that out there.
 
2012-12-23 10:28:37 AM
Seeing as cow milk is not good for you, I'm okay with this...
 
2012-12-23 10:51:16 AM

Eps05: That's interesting. I'm not a big eater of cheese though (i mean - before i found out). Is there a list somewhere of the kinds of cheese? I remember eating some Havarti cheese (very partial to it) and not feeling well that evening. Sometimes i eat cheesey foods with lactase caplets and I still have stomach and intestinal pains. I know plain milk does hurt, so it doubt it's casein-intolerance or whatnot. What about secondary uses of milk, such as ice cream and milk chocolate?

Some things i eat say contains "(modified) milk ingredients" and if i don't take a caplet i won't feel well. At some point I'm wondering if i am not suffering a bit of nocebo effect. Another time i ate a Swiss cheeseburger with a caplet and an hour later I essentially lost all energy and almost fell asleep at the wheel. Had to take an emergency nap (I'm a truck driver).

Kinda wish I had a clear idea of what's going on, what i can do and what i cannot.


Making a list would be rather pointless, since food labeling law in the US allows a real cheese and a processed food like substance to both be labeled as "swiss cheese."

A better idea is to look at the ingredients. If you see "cultures" then you should be good on lactose. Even the few dairy products that still contain a noticeable amount (kefir, yogurt, creme fraiche and the like) will also have living bacteria that are providing lactase at the same time. Any normal product that includes the phrases "milk solids" or "whey" will almost certainly contain enough lactose to make things explosive.

If you want to start experimenting on yourself, try a good three year old cheddar. If that gives you problems, then it's not the lactose. If you wanted to continue experimenting, I'd say go for a sheep's milk cheese or a goat's milk cheese.

As far as secondary uses for dairy, Cream has some of the whey removed, so it's slightly lower in lactose but still has a significant amount. Milk is added to chocolate specifically to add the milk sugars, so I'd be very careful.
 
2012-12-23 10:59:53 AM
When milk gets more expensive it will become a fancy drink you only get in a bar.
 
2012-12-23 11:58:39 AM
The Fark Socialist Brigade still thinks that a vote can repeal the laws of economics.

"Market" is just a term for people trading goods voluntarily, and thus peacefully.

Only markets can discover prices. That's what markets do. That's what they are for.

Fixing prices by edict terminates the price-discovery process. Obviously.

Economic discoordination between producers and consumers ensues. Followed by waste of resources, followed by unemployment.

Congratulations, dickheads.
 
2012-12-23 02:50:15 PM

Fibro: Seeing as cow milk is not good for you, I'm okay with this...


HAHAHAHAHA! oH, YOURE SERIOUS. hahahahajha!
 
2012-12-23 04:23:58 PM

Gig103: SanjiSasuke: /gallon of milk a day, every lifting day

Wow, do you have five kids? Even if I take the extra few minutes in the morning to make a cappuccino, I don't use a half gallon before it goes bad.


Just me, being 150lbs, 6'3" I need a ton to try to gain anything.

/128g protien
 
2012-12-23 04:28:47 PM

SanjiSasuke: Just me, being 150lbs, 6'3" I need a ton to try to gain anything.


Your "gains" are controlled by testosterone, not diet.

Well, maybe diet, but only to the extent diet affects your testosterone production and cellular sensitivity.

Milk is estrogenic. Drinking that much is probably inhibiting your growth, more than the protein intake is helping.
 
2012-12-25 02:48:43 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: When milk gets more expensive it will become a fancy drink you only get in a bar.


Like the Korova Milk Bar perhaps?
 
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