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2012-12-22 12:36:01 PM
The reason is fracking.
 
2012-12-22 12:37:09 PM
State Tree: The Telephone Pole
 
2012-12-22 12:47:47 PM
What a lovely place to live.

www.ndakotahousing.com
 
2012-12-22 12:49:41 PM

DoctorOfLove: State Tree: The Telephone Pole fracking well


mjcdn.motherjones.com

Isn't it beautiful?
 
2012-12-22 01:10:24 PM
Is that percentage wise? If so it kind of easy to explain.
 
2012-12-22 01:11:38 PM
So...Alabama is no longer a state, but D.C. is ?

/good jorb
 
2012-12-22 01:18:58 PM

Dull Cow Eyes: So...Alabama is no longer a state, but D.C. is ?


If only....
 
2012-12-22 01:18:58 PM
imgs.xkcd.com

/Relevant
 
2012-12-22 02:24:52 PM

jaytkay: What a lovely place to live.

[www.ndakotahousing.com image 800x600]


It's not like the same people are living like that for years on end; for most it's temporary while they ride the waiting list to an apartment, or build/buy a house.
 
2012-12-22 02:26:01 PM
2012: North Dakota leads nation in fastest growth.
2035: North Dakota leads nation in child and adult GI cancers.
 
2012-12-22 02:27:45 PM
Come on down! JOBS JOBS JOBS!!

graphics8.nytimes.com

We didn't say anything about "a place to live."
 
2012-12-22 02:43:01 PM

regindyn: It's not like the same people are living like that for years on end; for most it's temporary while they ride the waiting list to an apartment, or build/buy a house.


Yes, it's the land of opportunity, all right.

31' Keystone trailer for rent. - $2000 / 1br - 300ft² - (3 miles east of Williston)
3BDR, 2BTH, 2CAR GAR, LOFT AND SHOP OFF MAIN ST - $4500 / 3br - 1650ft² - (williston nd)
FOR RENT IN WIILISTON N DAK - $3000 / 3br - 1165ft²
NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES & DUPLEX UNITS FOR RENT IN CITY OF WILLISTON! - $4500 (Williston, ND)
very nice 29' RV Trailer for rent - $1200 / 1br - (Fairview, 30 mi to Williston) pic
Fully Furnished Rooms for Rent in Williston - $1000 (Williston, ND) pic
NEW winter warm cabins for Rent (winter pricing special) - $1650 (25 miles SW of Williston)
BRAND NEW MAIN FLOOR FOR RENT - $3750 / 3br - 1430ft² - (Williston North Dakota)
BRAND NEW LOWER LEVEL FOR RENT - $3250 / 3br - 1350ft² - (Williston North Dakota)
 
2012-12-22 02:49:07 PM

cryinoutloud: regindyn: It's not like the same people are living like that for years on end; for most it's temporary while they ride the waiting list to an apartment, or build/buy a house.

Yes, it's the land of opportunity, all right.

31' Keystone trailer for rent. - $2000 / 1br - 300ft² - (3 miles east of Williston)
3BDR, 2BTH, 2CAR GAR, LOFT AND SHOP OFF MAIN ST - $4500 / 3br - 1650ft² - (williston nd)
FOR RENT IN WIILISTON N DAK - $3000 / 3br - 1165ft²
NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES & DUPLEX UNITS FOR RENT IN CITY OF WILLISTON! - $4500 (Williston, ND)
very nice 29' RV Trailer for rent - $1200 / 1br - (Fairview, 30 mi to Williston) pic
Fully Furnished Rooms for Rent in Williston - $1000 (Williston, ND) pic
NEW winter warm cabins for Rent (winter pricing special) - $1650 (25 miles SW of Williston)
BRAND NEW MAIN FLOOR FOR RENT - $3750 / 3br - 1430ft² - (Williston North Dakota)
BRAND NEW LOWER LEVEL FOR RENT - $3250 / 3br - 1350ft² - (Williston North Dakota)


Damn, you can find better deals in Oahu.
Weather's a hell of a lot nicer there too.
 
2012-12-22 03:04:36 PM
This is what an oil boom looks like.  We also know what an oil bust looks like.  I give it three years.
 
2012-12-22 03:57:21 PM
subby is a liar.  Look at a map and you'll see it hasn't grown at all.
 
2012-12-22 03:59:39 PM
My wife and I have been looking at which state we'll want to move back to when we've finished up in Europe. North Dakota was pretty high on our list.
 
2012-12-22 04:18:27 PM

gingerjet: This is what an oil boom looks like.  We also know what an oil bust looks like.  I give it three years.


a lot longer than that
article
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2012-12-22 04:58:49 PM

cryinoutloud: regindyn: It's not like the same people are living like that for years on end; for most it's temporary while they ride the waiting list to an apartment, or build/buy a house.

Yes, it's the land of opportunity, all right.


Spending $30K in housing to make $81K in annual income is a tradeoff a lot of people are willing to make.
 
2012-12-22 05:00:47 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: My wife and I have been looking at which state we'll want to move back to when we've finished up in Europe. North Dakota was pretty high on our list.


My wife and I have been looking at which state we'll want to move to when she has finished her degree. North Dakota is not on our list.
 
2012-12-22 05:58:12 PM
Boom is on in ND because there is no Union there to slow up the progress with their greed.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.t05.htm
 
2012-12-22 06:00:07 PM
At those housing prices you could afford to get a nice camper. Anyone know what the campground fees are like?
 
2012-12-22 06:11:48 PM

CujoQuarrel: At those housing prices you could afford to get a nice camper. Anyone know what the campground fees are like?


bahahahaha...no such thing up there. That's the problem.
There is "LITERALLY" very few legal places to stay.
 
2012-12-22 07:05:43 PM

whcrow: Boom is on in ND because there is no Union there to slow up the progress with their greed.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.t05.htm


Umm no, it's because there's oil.
 
2012-12-22 07:13:20 PM
florida boy, couldn't handle the cold for a day, unless my hot austic half sister was with me.
 
2012-12-22 08:27:23 PM
Although I have never been there, having read various articles about ND, I get the impression it is not well developed. I believe I recall reading that internet there was atrocious and commerce was pretty limited.
 
2012-12-22 08:30:05 PM
Moved here in 1999. Love it. Could do without the 9 degrees outside, but after a week or so catching up on the things I miss most on the west coast, I'm ready to get the hell back here.

/far from the oil boom part of the state
 
2012-12-22 08:47:09 PM

Gergesa: Although I have never been there, having read various articles about ND, I get the impression it is not well developed. I believe I recall reading that internet there was atrocious and commerce was pretty limited.




Depends where you are. It's fine In the major cities of the state; you have the best of both. Is the selection as vast as a top-market city? No, but that's what defines a top-market city and it's close enough for most urbanites while still maintaining a small-town feel. It's when you get out in the rural areas that Internet sucks. Lots of people will trade for that, though as the rural areas are about as bucolic as it gets.

But after 12 years here, the thing I've noticed to be most lacking? Museums. Top-tier arts are also harder to come by, but there are two major metros within a decent drive for all that. Only thing I can't get up here are mountains and ocean and those are that much better when I do get them.
 
2012-12-22 09:05:04 PM
Don't forget that there's a beautiful woman behind every tree!
 
2012-12-22 10:06:50 PM
I wonder how many will last the first winter?
 
2012-12-22 10:28:33 PM

Old enough to know better: I wonder how many will last the first winter?


I do find it amusing that our coldest states like ND are Canada's florida, relatively speaking.

//Sitting Bull refused to surrender after Little Big Horn and went to Canada instead, but surrendered to the US army 5 years later, because even he realized Canada was worse than a souix indian chieftan surrendering to the US army.
 
2012-12-22 10:29:10 PM
Please kill me now, more or less.
 
2012-12-23 12:18:54 AM

cryinoutloud: regindyn: It's not like the same people are living like that for years on end; for most it's temporary while they ride the waiting list to an apartment, or build/buy a house.

Yes, it's the land of opportunity, all right.

31' Keystone trailer for rent. - $2000 / 1br - 300ft² - (3 miles east of Williston)
3BDR, 2BTH, 2CAR GAR, LOFT AND SHOP OFF MAIN ST - $4500 / 3br - 1650ft² - (williston nd)
FOR RENT IN WIILISTON N DAK - $3000 / 3br - 1165ft²
NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES & DUPLEX UNITS FOR RENT IN CITY OF WILLISTON! - $4500 (Williston, ND)
very nice 29' RV Trailer for rent - $1200 / 1br - (Fairview, 30 mi to Williston) pic
Fully Furnished Rooms for Rent in Williston - $1000 (Williston, ND) pic
NEW winter warm cabins for Rent (winter pricing special) - $1650 (25 miles SW of Williston)
BRAND NEW MAIN FLOOR FOR RENT - $3750 / 3br - 1430ft² - (Williston North Dakota)
BRAND NEW LOWER LEVEL FOR RENT - $3250 / 3br - 1350ft² - (Williston North Dakota)


Why is my 5th wheeler sitting in back? Williston, here it comes!
 
2012-12-23 12:49:00 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: 2012: North Dakota leads nation in fastest growth.
2035: North Dakota leads nation in child and adult GI cancers.


Why would that be?
 
2012-12-23 01:09:09 AM
Should start an economic recovery and relief plan for them now.
 
2012-12-23 04:20:17 AM

mr lawson: CujoQuarrel: At those housing prices you could afford to get a nice camper. Anyone know what the campground fees are like?

bahahahaha...no such thing up there. That's the problem.
There is "LITERALLY" very few legal places to stay.


Well, sounds like a business opportunity to me, opening campgrounds. You don't need much just power, water and a septic tank.

Remember during the '49 gold rush the people who really made money are those who catered to the miners.
 
2012-12-23 04:35:38 AM
If ND is anything like SD, and I'm sure it is, they can have it.

I used to have to travel to eastern SD for business. High of -10F for a whole week? Fark that!

Most of my co-workers who lived up there were raging alcoholics with 7 kids. Why? Because they couldn't go outside for any length of time 5 months of the year and they had to have something to do, I guess. Now, in all fairness, it could have been due to the fact that we worked for a company that slowly and methodically killed your soul.

/Man those guys could drink.
//Professionals for sure.
 
2012-12-23 12:55:54 PM
Are those seriously trailer rental prices in North Dakota? As a New Yorker, I did not expect to spend any part of today (or any day) feeling smug about what a good value my place is, but there you go. Feels nice.
 
2012-12-23 04:41:27 PM

tennessee.hillbilly: we worked for a company that slowly and methodically killed your soul.


The Nashville music industry?

Honestly, the cold doesn't bother me that much, but it's been there almost every winter of my life. While, weather wise, I'd rather live in a maritime climate like the Pacific NW or Europe, I much prefer ND weather overall to the smothering, sweaty, sticky, southern summers.

Like someone already mentioned prior, we do have a huge lacking of art and culture, but that and live professional sport is about the only thing that we really can't get up here that . In exchange, the assholes per square mile is low, the traffic is light, and nature(plain though it may be) is near. It's a tradeoff not everyone would make, obviously most don't, but living here(in non-oil country) is not without its perks. If my wife assented, I'd heavily consider moving to the Pacific NW or maybe Minnepolis, but definitely nowhere South of Chicago in a continental climate.
 
2012-12-23 04:50:52 PM
I live in Alberta. The thing about explosive economic growth is dealing with the rapid inflation, and insane rise in crime and drug abuse and general farkery.

The great thing about cold climates, though, is that the homeless addicts usually die pretty fast. That helps.

//Edmonton 2006-2012 was officially retarded.
///And we're gonna do it again and again and again. Because money.
 
2012-12-23 06:44:16 PM

cryinoutloud: Come on down! JOBS JOBS JOBS!!

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x330]

We didn't say anything about "a place to live."


that is how civilization is born. young men with nothing to lose seek incredible opportunity on some frontier. they live rough but their shoulders bear the yoke that allows others to eventually enjoy frapichinos and shiat. its history in the making. As a mechanical engineer i may jump up there too. could be alot of hard work, good experience, and alot of fun.
 
2012-12-23 07:55:38 PM
my life is ridiculously involved in the saskatchewan oil boom.

no complaints whatsoever. never met a nicer bunch of folks than the people you meet in sk. done the albertan thing, and they are gross drug addicted vicious people. i predict sk will turn into that in 10-20 years of this unrestricted growth.
 
2012-12-23 11:52:43 PM
As someone who moved from Chicago to Fargo a year ago, I'm getting a kick, blah, blah, blah.

I dragged my family out here's 'cuz dere's jerbs. I'm still here 'cuz dere's still jerbs. I had planned on heading out to the Oil Patch, but contrary to popular belief, the Oil Patch isn't all there is to North Dakota's economy. Didn't have to go past Fargo to find a way to make a living. I'll trade the negative a trillion degrees and the 2.9% unemployment for nice weather and homeless any day of the week.
 
2012-12-24 04:14:20 AM
Interesting thread.

My newly minted chemical engineer nephew (from Minneapolis / went to school at N. Dakota Grand Forks) is planning on staying there to pursue his future.

Every impression I get, is the area will be relatively young, professional and prosperous for a long time to come.

The horrors of cold weather are overstated anyway. So long as the internet's fast and you have a heated garage, Northern winters arent that bad.
 
2012-12-24 10:27:47 AM
What's the percentage of black people there?
 
2012-12-24 11:16:35 AM
We as a nation are becoming shut-ins with every new generation coming up with Interwebs and fancy computer devices. This can only benefit places like North Dakota.
 
2012-12-24 11:54:38 AM

Jack_Knopf: What's the percentage of black people there?


zero
 
2012-12-24 11:55:27 AM

brandent: Jack_Knopf: What's the percentage of black people there?

zero


Forgot "because the rent is too damn high"
 
2012-12-24 12:01:27 PM

Here'sJohnny: Are those seriously trailer rental prices in North Dakota? As a New Yorker, I did not expect to spend any part of today (or any day) feeling smug about what a good value my place is, but there you go. Feels nice.


So without even a high school education you can go to ND and make 100k. Pay 30k for housing, and you are still several times what you can earn anywhere else on earth. All you have to do is be ambitious. If you are young, single, and strong there really is no better option for an uneducated person. And has been pointed out that same free cash flow gives real wealth to the others making money off those laborers. AND we don't have to pay terrorists for the oil, AND nobody cares whether ND gets ruined. So much win. What opportunity will someone in NY have with a 10th grade education? Homeless shelter? The projects? Drug dealer?

/never even mind stuff like chemical engineers and skilled labor.
 
2012-12-24 03:39:00 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: My wife and I have been looking at which state we'll want to move back to when we've finished up in Europe. North Dakota was pretty high on our list.


Stay far, far away from the western side of the state. Fargo, however, is nice.
 
2012-12-24 03:41:23 PM

Here'sJohnny: Are those seriously trailer rental prices in North Dakota? As a New Yorker, I did not expect to spend any part of today (or any day) feeling smug about what a good value my place is, but there you go. Feels nice.


It's completely oil boom related. Ten years ago you could get a great place out in Williston or Minot for about five or six dollars. Now, the natives can't get the hell out of that side of the state fast enough.
 
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