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(KATU)   When Darth Vader tells you to step back, he means it. Woman gets $260 fine for getting a mouthful of pepper spray during Occupy protest. With throat-on-fire inducing picture   (katu.com) divider line 50
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2012-12-22 09:42:31 AM  
5 votes:
media.katu.com

And they call the ones on the left "occupiers".
2012-12-22 11:41:49 AM  
4 votes:
redalexandriava.files.wordpress.com
2012-12-22 11:07:13 AM  
4 votes:
Don't you guys get it, man?

The Occupy Movement makes the Powers-That-Be scared and when they get scared they send in their jackbooted thugs. Attack a bank? That's a beating. Exercise your right to protest? That's a beating. March peacefully in solidarity? That's a beating.

You know why the TEA PARTY didn't get the cops sicced on them because they <b>are</b> the Establishment. They are a front for the Koch Brothers, and are used to consolidate power for the right wing Capitalists.

Occupy is about Freedom. The Tea Party is about racism and crushing the working man.

That's why the unarmed woman in this picture is getting brutalized by the police in riot gear.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-22 10:01:37 AM  
4 votes:
An Occupy Portland protester who was blasted in the face with pepper spray was found guilty this week of ignoring police orders and will now have to pay a fine.

The judge had to find her guilty to protect police from her lawsuit.
Esn
2012-12-22 10:44:11 AM  
3 votes:
For some reason, things like this never happened at the Tea Party rallies. I wonder why.

The Tea Partiers acted all hurt and oppressed, but they were never actually hurt or oppressed.
Esn
2012-12-22 07:11:14 PM  
2 votes:

Abox: Amos Quito: [media.katu.com image 660x454]

And they call the ones on the left "occupiers".


I think they call themselves that.  The rest of us call them bums.


They're democracy protesters, like the ones Fark was supporting in Iran and Egypt. Except they were weaker (so weak they couldn't even allow themselves to use weapons), and the regime was stronger.

When you understand why you hate Occupy, you will understand why you would also not support protests in other regimes. They're all dirty, chaotic, unreasonable, and law-breaking.  They're all done by people who seem to have nothing better to do all day, "so why don't they get a job?"

It's not exactly coincidence that Occupy happened soon after the Arab Spring.  The kids at home saw the parallels, saw the crooks who run the country siphoning money into their personal bank accounts and not being held to account, and tried to see if they could do what those others did. But they couldn't, not even close.
2012-12-22 03:52:16 PM  
2 votes:
Isn't it odd that the same conservative retards who fear a government takeover are the first to cheer when protestors get pepper sprayed, beaten, or otherwise injured for having the audacity to exercise their right to free speech?

/No, wait, it's not odd; it's just indicative of their farking retarded doublethink.
2012-12-22 01:42:39 PM  
2 votes:

Lizsavage: You know what else the tea party has? Guns. Occupy protestors tend to be fairly nonviolent. We haven't "rioted" but suffered the effects of many police riots. We have been beat with clubs, tear gassed, flash grenades, shot with less lethal weapons, and pepper spray. Not to mention being chased, run over, and run down; by police on foot, bikes, horses, motorcycles, cars, vans, and large transports with militarized men hanging off the side. Those of us with feet on the ground feel as if we have been through battle and if what has been happening for the past year is a sign of exactly how dangerous the police state has become, and makes us all wonder what will be next. Simple protests getting attacked by swarms of heavily armed "soldiers" is terrifying real. Occupy changed the conversation so much the banks were running scared and donated millions to the police forces all around the country. Over one million people pulled their money out of banks in short time lazy tear due to occupy. Fraudclosure mills across the country are being exposes. Robosigning, forged documents to screw homeowners, not to mention made to fail loans, where lenders actually lied about income to give the buyer the loan. Loans are sold bank to bank, houses are stolen through confused or corrupt courts. For a year we have been fighting these injustices while facing many ourselves. Don't let the trivial matter of his being attacked over and over story you from participating in a way that doesn't include direct action as there are plenty of ways to be involved. Its not a protest its a worldwide movement.


I live in a neighborhood that got a full winter's worth of Occupy camping out last year, and has had about a protest a month since.  All identification with #Occupy (I am not a 1 percenter after all) flew out the window at about the first smashy smashy on buildings just blocks from my home.  They were breaking car windows too -- people who just happened to park unwittingly near a protest point that day.

There were also assaults by Occupy overnight campers against people passing by.  Nothing fatal but some fist fights.  At least one rape attempt too.

Occupy started out with high minded morals and descended into mindless violence and smash-the-state crap.  It forces people to take sides, and guess what -- most people took the side of "please stop breaking sh*t near my home, if that means police mix it up with you, I guess thats better."  You completely lost the actual middle class you claim you're fighting for.

Cops are asshats, no disputing.  But you guys are often worse.  Go home and complain to your parents, we're just people going about our daily lives, going to and from work.

Anarchy seems to mean if you are angry you get to break other peoples stuff, on some convoluted logic that everyone is to blame.  Looks like petulant children throwing a fit more than anything.

And the police are your parents, I guess.

Go home, grow up, live some years and get back to me.  Smashing sh*t that other people worked hard to build or repair or buy doesn't win you any friends.  It just makes people pushed away from your cause.  And will probably hate you forever, some of us.
2012-12-22 01:01:01 PM  
2 votes:

Lizsavage: You know what else the tea party has? Guns. Occupy protestors tend to be fairly nonviolent. We haven't "rioted" but suffered the effects of many police riots. We have been beat with clubs, tear gassed, flash grenades, shot with less lethal weapons, and pepper spray. Not to mention being chased, run over, and run down; by police on foot, bikes, horses, motorcycles, cars, vans, and large transports with militarized men hanging off the side..


Just because a protest is "nonviolent" does not entitle it to do anything. Without regard to the righteousness of any specific cause, a sit-in proceeding into obstruction and trespassing will get a response. I do respect when people are willing to sacrifice for a cause and a message.

I'm just not impressed when protesters insist they can't be touched and are all outraged when any degree of force is used and any force is illegal assault and brutality and assume there's no legal way a crowd can be checked. Or that because it's a political message rather than a soccer riot, anything and everything done is automatically entitled to Free Speech protection- it's not.

That's not to say that "orders to disperse" have never been given without lawful basis, or unreasonable force has never been used, and sometimes brutality is employed proudly by frustrated law enforcement, and it IS wrong when it goes down that way. But pepper spray into a protest after being given a lawful order to disperse is expected and the least harmful thing they could do to assert themselves. Perhaps the message is something that NEEDS to happen, like ending segregation, perhaps it's a stupid Free Hat thing, that's up to individuals to interpret.
2012-12-22 12:45:15 PM  
2 votes:

Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 383x222]


i.imgur.com

ftfy

(Your text didn't make any sense at all)
2012-12-22 11:32:02 AM  
2 votes:

Animatronik: That's because they didn't fight with the police, get a mouthful of pepper spray, and a fine./I have no sympathy with angry rioters because you can hold peaceful demonstrations in the U.S. and we have free elections. If ppl really were oppressed here, it would be different.


The fact is that the teabaggers protests are more like parades, complete with colonialist cosplay, while the occutards prefer the "booze up and riot" style of protesting.

Also, the teabaggers have guns, while the occutards get foaming-at-the-mouth offended at the mere mention of guns. So if the police did descend on the teabagger parade, one of them might get shot, and the frontline officers would rather not risk it as long as the teabaggers don't mess with them (which they don't, because the police also have guns).

/the occutards would probably be a lot more respected if they would just clean up after themselves
//but their whole point is to prove the US is filthy and corrupt, and the universal progressive debate strategy is to prove it true by spreading filth and corruption themselves
2012-12-22 11:18:34 AM  
2 votes:
Cop tells you to do something reasonable and in compliance
You refuse
Cop tells you again
You refuse again and ratchet up the disregard and you'll get a face full of pepper spray

I realize most of you are young and duty bound to hate police for ruining you're buzz but this is a common sense life lesson. The cop is there doing the job they're paid to. It's the mouthy biatch who is the person doing wrong in the picture
2012-12-22 11:07:29 AM  
2 votes:
Zuccotti Park showed us all exactly what happens when the freeloading liberals are left to their own devices:

*) Went straight to an unelected oligarchy, completely bypassing democratically elected leaders. The people who had control of the (Wells Fargo, heh) bank account were the leaders.

*) Third world sanitation and the predictable spread of preventable disease.

*) Violence, rape, antisemitism, and racism.

*) 'some are more equal than others' nomenklatura with at least 3 separate classes of people: the oligarchy, the commoners, and the takers, with more on the way.

*) Zero self-sustainability, just waiting around for food handouts, etc.

Yes, the Liberal Utopia, all held together by a common hatred for the people who actually pay taxes and and contribute to society.
Esn
2012-12-22 11:04:31 AM  
2 votes:

Animatronik: Esn: For some reason, things like this never happened at the Tea Party rallies. I wonder why.

The Tea Partiers acted all hurt and oppressed, but they were never actually hurt or oppressed.

That's because they didn't fight with the police, get a mouthful of pepper spray, and a fine.

/I have no sympathy with angry rioters because you can hold peaceful demonstrations in the U.S. and we have free elections. If ppl really were oppressed here, it would be different.


What do you call this, then:
"when Americans with different income levels differ in their policy preferences, actual policy outcomes strongly reflect the preferences of the most affluent but bear virtually no relationship to the preferences of poor or middle-income Americans."
-Inequality and Democratic Responsiveness (2005 study by Martin Gilens from Oxford University)

If I remember correctly, the Occupy people made a point of being peaceful. It didn't help. They were harassed, infiltrated, and ultimately discredited.

The Tea Partiers were left alone because their interests coincided with those of the elite. They had the largest domestic news network promoting and helping them. OWS had... well, they had RT, I guess. Which counts for a little, but not that much.
2012-12-22 10:53:03 AM  
2 votes:

Esn: For some reason, things like this never happened at the Tea Party rallies. I wonder why.

The Tea Partiers acted all hurt and oppressed, but they were never actually hurt or oppressed.


That's because they didn't fight with the police, get a mouthful of pepper spray, and a fine.

/I have no sympathy with angry rioters because you can hold peaceful demonstrations in the U.S. and we have free elections. If ppl really were oppressed here, it would be different.
2012-12-23 06:11:04 PM  
1 votes:

fredklein: kwame: Nem Wan: A court of law has a predetermined bias in favor of the law and therefore someone who disagrees with the fundamental premise that the law should be followed is not going to get a fair hearing.

Or: you don't get a mouthful of pepper spray when you follow the directives of law enforcement.

What if you CAN'T follow their orders? Like, they tell you to disperse, and you can go anywhere because there's, like, 100 peopel behind and around you?

/guess she should have teleported away


I suppose leaning forward and yelling at the cops was her only option. It isn't like she could have, I don't know, simply turned around or anything.
2012-12-23 06:30:25 AM  
1 votes:
farm3.staticflickr.com
2012-12-23 05:28:11 AM  
1 votes:
Ah the joys of a country where police are allowed to use weapons, which they swore 20 years ago would only ever be used to defend themselves and others against dangerous criminals, to enforce compliance at will.

Well done guys.
2012-12-22 06:09:43 PM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: [media.katu.com image 660x454]

And they call the ones on the left "occupiers".



I think they call themselves that.  The rest of us call them bums.
2012-12-22 03:45:13 PM  
1 votes:
What a wonderful precedent this sets. Women can now be fined because they didn't do what they were told and didn't farking listen. Awesome.
2012-12-22 03:44:03 PM  
1 votes:

Lizsavage: Those of us with feet on the ground feel as if we have been through battle and if what has been happening for the past year is a sign of exactly how dangerous the police state has become, and makes us all wonder what will be next. Simple protests getting attacked by swarms of heavily armed "soldiers" is terrifying real.


Uh huh. Hardened vets, charging bravely but hopelessly into the clouds of capsaicin. I can see how this past year would seem analogous to the Battle of Verdun. Or, you know, not really.

When the Brute Squad leaves their batons at the station and defaults to live ammunition - like they do in ACTUAL police states - then you can start awarding each other Purple Hearts and Silver Stars. Until then, it's Yellow Moons and Green Clovers.

Generation_D: Occupy started out with high minded morals and descended into mindless violence and smash-the-state crap. It forces people to take sides, and guess what -- most people took the side of "please stop breaking sh*t near my home, if that means police mix it up with you, I guess thats better." You completely lost the actual middle class you claim you're fighting for.


QFT.
2012-12-22 03:36:22 PM  
1 votes:
The Occupy movement is basically a bunch of lazy, stupid, demotivated 20-somethings who are fighting adulthood with every fibre of their bodies.

I know they're lazy, because most are unemployed - if not all.

I know they're stupid because their main concern is having to pay back on a loan. Apparently these uneducated and lazy "kids" - who probably spent more of their college years on binge drinking and homoerotic "experimentation" - do not understand what a basic contract entails.

Congrats, 40-somethings. These are your precious snowflakes, you're helicopter-parented self-entitled lazy dumbf*cks. who YOU raised, not me.

No wonder "men" in their 30's are still living with their parents. No wonder we have these lazy f*cks who refuse to work and refuse to pay back money that THEY borrowed.

There have been a host of organized movements in our history. Never have I read or encountered any "movement" with such a self-serving, self-entitled, useless function as this "occupy" crap, whose main tenant is "Boo-hoo, I don't want to pay back money that was loaned to me in good faith."
2012-12-22 03:01:17 PM  
1 votes:
I'm undecided. Give me unedited video of what led up to the incident and what followed and then I'll make a decision. Remember this?

www.trbimg.com

Everything in the news was claiming that they were peaceful protesters and were only blocking the sidewalk. What actually happened and you can see it on the full length video is that the police were removing their tents and some protesters tried to stop them. Those protesters were arrested. When the cops tried to escort them away a group of protesters surrounded them completely blocking them in. They then started to chant "If you let them go we will let you leave."

So I'm a bit skeptical when I hear that protesters were being completely peaceful and doing nothing that deserved pepper spraying.

Short UC Davis highlights

Full 30 minute UC Davis link
2012-12-22 02:55:30 PM  
1 votes:
Hm.  Looks like this issue has already been to the SCOTUS and back.  Lundberg v. County of Humboldt.  The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals (which has jurisdiction over the present case) found that cops are not automatically entitled to pepper-spray non-violent citizens to obtain compliance with a lawful order.  The facts of each case must be weighed by a jury.  Lundberg was tried three times at the district level; hung juries the first two trials.  Citizens finally won.  The last jury awarded damages of $1 per plaintiff.

This woman has a pretty good chance of prevailing based on precedent.  She may have trouble getting a jury that will go along with her damages claim.
2012-12-22 02:07:59 PM  
1 votes:
I'm all for seeing both sides of an argument, but it's pretty clear by now that the #Occupy movement failed, and that failure was mostly its own fault. What you guys meant to be a noble, world-changing (or at least america-changing) movement became a huge self-entitled temper tantrum that lost you the support of anyone who was even a little bit on the fence, because you didn't want to do anything that the Evul Empyre had done. You know, like organize, or plan ahead, or have leaders, or structure, or sustainability. Or hygiene, apparently. You'd rather look cool and lose than be practical and win.

You guys failed. I wish you'd learn from your mistakes, in case there's another opportunity in the future.
2012-12-22 12:39:20 PM  
1 votes:
If the cops want a crowd to disperse, they need to pepper-spray the BACK of the crowd, let them run away, then spray the next row/layer of people, etc, not spray the FRONT row, who literally cannot move.

/but remember, smart people are allowed to be cops
2012-12-22 12:28:13 PM  
1 votes:
You know what else the tea party has? Guns. Occupy protestors tend to be fairly nonviolent. We haven't "rioted" but suffered the effects of many police riots. We have been beat with clubs, tear gassed, flash grenades, shot with less lethal weapons, and pepper spray. Not to mention being chased, run over, and run down; by police on foot, bikes, horses, motorcycles, cars, vans, and large transports with militarized men hanging off the side. Those of us with feet on the ground feel as if we have been through battle and if what has been happening for the past year is a sign of exactly how dangerous the police state has become, and makes us all wonder what will be next. Simple protests getting attacked by swarms of heavily armed "soldiers" is terrifying real. Occupy changed the conversation so much the banks were running scared and donated millions to the police forces all around the country. Over one million people pulled their money out of banks in short time lazy tear due to occupy. Fraudclosure mills across the country are being exposes. Robosigning, forged documents to screw homeowners, not to mention made to fail loans, where lenders actually lied about income to give the buyer the loan. Loans are sold bank to bank, houses are stolen through confused or corrupt courts. For a year we have been fighting these injustices while facing many ourselves. Don't let the trivial matter of his being attacked over and over story you from participating in a way that doesn't include direct action as there are plenty of ways to be involved. Its not a protest its a worldwide movement.
2012-12-22 12:13:32 PM  
1 votes:

kwame: Nem Wan: A court of law has a predetermined bias in favor of the law and therefore someone who disagrees with the fundamental premise that the law should be followed is not going to get a fair hearing.

Or: you don't get a mouthful of pepper spray when you follow the directives of law enforcement.


What if you CAN'T follow their orders? Like, they tell you to disperse, and you can go anywhere because there's, like, 100 peopel behind and around you?

/guess she should have teleported away
2012-12-22 12:05:28 PM  
1 votes:
What you don't see in the picture is the commuter train the Occupiers were blocking in downtown. The police told them to move so the train could come through and they ignored the reasonable request.

/no sympathy
2012-12-22 11:57:37 AM  
1 votes:
Hey libs, that is what happens when you wish for an all-powerful nanny state and the destruction of the constitution. "but I only rally against and try to destroy the parts of the constitution I personally don't like!", you might say. Doesn't matter. You destroy some of it (like maybe the second amendment), you allow for it's wholesale destruction. Enjoy your brutality, wars, indefinite detentions, gropings, kill lists, etc - its what you wanted. Don't pretend you didn't know it, or ask forgiveness. We warned toy of the ultimate outcome.
2012-12-22 11:48:16 AM  
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-12-22 11:43:45 AM  
1 votes:
This is why "gun nuts" are so "crazy" over not having their guns taken away, just so you know. On the odd chance that they might have to use them to stop the government from doing this more and more. Keep demanding we ban them though, I hear pepper spray is an acquired taste.
2012-12-22 11:39:21 AM  
1 votes:
judge: "I will dismiss this case if you are able to tell me what you were actually protesting or what the Occupy movement was actually about"

coont: "HERPDERP 99 PERCENT"

judge: *gavel*
2012-12-22 11:34:17 AM  
1 votes:
That just became my favorite image of the "occupy" childishness.
2012-12-22 11:21:51 AM  
1 votes:

SuperDuper28: Cop tells you to do something reasonable and in compliance
You refuse
Cop tells you again
You refuse again and ratchet up the disregard and you'll get a face full of pepper spray


What does that even mean? 

I realize most of you are young and duty bound to hate police for ruining you're buzz but this is a common sense life lesson. The cop is there doing the job they're paid to. It's the mouthy biatch who is the person doing wrong in the picture

Annnnd we see the real justification in your eyes. Violence is okay, if someone is female and speaking.
2012-12-22 11:20:33 AM  
1 votes:

Raharu: It's good to know that you bow and humble yourself to the nearest armed authority figure.

Pick up that can citizen.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/15/indiana-high-court-rules- pe ople-resist-illegal-entry-police-homes/

It doesn't matter whether or not you feel you are being wronged. You can take that up with them in court. In the meantime, comply.
2012-12-22 11:20:22 AM  
1 votes:

Raharu: kwame: Raharu: I bet that officer felt very Threatened by her.

Good point. He should have just stood there and argued with her.

It's not the officers job to argue or debate with her. He is there to respond with appropriate force to ensure public safety.

He's also head to toe in body armor, and carrying a riot shield, and like has more physical strength due to his much higher body mass.

He must have a very small dick to be so threatened by her as to pepper spray he in the face let alone directly in the mouth. The appropriate response would have been to push back harder on his shield.


You're missing the point. He tells her to do something. She refuses. At that point, in a crowd outnumbering law enforcement, she absolutely is a threat.
2012-12-22 11:19:52 AM  
1 votes:

Raharu: kwame: Raharu: I bet that officer felt very Threatened by her.

Good point. He should have just stood there and argued with her.

It's not the officers job to argue or debate with her. He is there to respond with appropriate force to ensure public safety.

He's also head to toe in body armor, and carrying a riot shield, and like has more physical strength due to his much higher body mass.

He must have a very small dick to be so threatened by her as to pepper spray he in the face let alone directly in the mouth. The appropriate response would have been to push back harder on his shield.


"Watch out, men! She's got a  voice!"
2012-12-22 11:14:34 AM  
1 votes:
That picture warmed my heart and brightened my day. Rule #1 in life is when someone with pepper spray, a gun, and they rule of law says to do something, do it or this will happen.
2012-12-22 11:12:29 AM  
1 votes:
Shot in the mouth / now she's to blame / They give freedom / a bad name.
2012-12-22 11:07:24 AM  
1 votes:
Ok, so let me get it straight...there's NOTHING wrong with the system or the government and these smelly hippies need to shut up (to hell with their rights under the 1st Amendment) and just DO WHAT THE GOVERNMENT/COPS SAY ... but the government is also oppressive and can't be trusted because they'll send the police and military after us any day now, so Tea Partiers need unlimited guns (2nd Amendment) to protect themselves from that same government....that they also protested against....but that they support when macing hippies....but don't trust.....but that doesn't mean the hippies are right....or something.
2012-12-22 10:50:41 AM  
1 votes:

Nem Wan: A court of law has a predetermined bias in favor of the law and therefore someone who disagrees with the fundamental premise that the law should be followed is not going to get a fair hearing.


Or: you don't get a mouthful of pepper spray when you follow the directives of law enforcement.
2012-12-22 10:49:40 AM  
1 votes:
If that woman had been armed, this would never have happened.

Remington 870: for all your 1st Amendment needs.
2012-12-22 10:47:38 AM  
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-12-22 10:41:55 AM  
1 votes:
blog.etq.com
2012-12-22 10:40:36 AM  
1 votes:

ZAZ: An Occupy Portland protester who was blasted in the face with pepper spray was found guilty this week of ignoring police orders and will now have to pay a fine.

The judge had to find her guilty to protect police from her lawsuit.


Probably.  Even if that wasn't the intent, it is the effect.  Since the state has a higher burden of proof in a criminal matter than a civil, a finding that the police acted reasonably in some fashion would mean her suit is now dead in the water.
2012-12-22 10:36:55 AM  
1 votes:

SilentStrider: Great. And she can send the cop her hospital bill.


You're missing a big point though. Judge found her guilty of not obeying a lawful order from police. Thus, police are not liable for what happened.

It sucks, but you ARE trained to aim for the face. As it blinds you, and makes it rather uncomfortable to breathe, it tends to take the fight out of a person rather quickly. But wide open like that... damn, that had to suck.
2012-12-22 10:03:59 AM  
1 votes:
Great. And she can send the cop her hospital bill.
2012-12-22 09:51:15 AM  
1 votes:
i1121.photobucket.com
2012-12-22 09:14:37 AM  
1 votes:

Shadowknight: BunkyBrewman: ...or he's trying to pull her back.

You believe your reality, I'll believe mine.  

In truth, I know he wasn't holding her there as a shield.  A camera catches a moment in time, and he could have been pulling her back, holding her, giving her a back rub, or any number of things at the time.  It's just funny to think of some guy going "oh shiat!" and ducking behind the nearest tiny woman.


As someone familiar with protester and police behavior in that city I'm not getting a kick out of this.

/he was trying to pull her away
//PDX women are mouthy b*tches
///native
 
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