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2012-12-22 12:08:46 PM
OWS was a joke, the protesters were violent and this woman get exactly what was coming to her.
 
2012-12-22 12:11:59 PM
Under the C... Nine... C-9 everyone.

Under the B... eleven... B-11 everyone.

Again under the C... thirteen... C-13...
 
2012-12-22 12:13:32 PM

kwame: Nem Wan: A court of law has a predetermined bias in favor of the law and therefore someone who disagrees with the fundamental premise that the law should be followed is not going to get a fair hearing.

Or: you don't get a mouthful of pepper spray when you follow the directives of law enforcement.


What if you CAN'T follow their orders? Like, they tell you to disperse, and you can go anywhere because there's, like, 100 peopel behind and around you?

/guess she should have teleported away
 
2012-12-22 12:14:05 PM

kwame: You don't get it, do you? Law enforcement officer tells you to do something. You do it. If you have a problem with what he told you do, you leave. You want to stand your ground? Enjoy the consequence.


Meh, people are starting to understand. The citizens of the U.S. only shot and killed like 50 something police officers this year........down from previous years.
Link

and only 6 were stabbed and or beaten to death.

Link

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The american public should be proud, we killed something like 23 less police officers this year than in 2011.
 
2012-12-22 12:18:49 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Shadowknight: Nothing like a human shield with a mild resemblance to Hermione Granger.

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Does she distend her jaw in the forth picture?
 
2012-12-22 12:19:12 PM

kwame: You're missing the point. He tells her to do something. She refuses.


What, exactly was this order? To leave the area? Kinda hard for her to do when there's a crowd around her. Thus, it was not a reasonable order.
 
2012-12-22 12:22:45 PM

fredklein: kwame: You're missing the point. He tells her to do something. She refuses.

What, exactly was this order? To leave the area? Kinda hard for her to do when there's a crowd around her. Thus, it was not a reasonable order.


They were trying to move the protestors off the train tracks they were blocking, so the trains out of frame full of commuters could move through downtown. Pretty unreasonable.
 
2012-12-22 12:24:35 PM
You have to love how the conservatives in this thread are now acting like they were ever for less police and more civil rights. "YOU SIAD MOAR GUBERNMNET! HA!"
 
2012-12-22 12:28:13 PM
You know what else the tea party has? Guns. Occupy protestors tend to be fairly nonviolent. We haven't "rioted" but suffered the effects of many police riots. We have been beat with clubs, tear gassed, flash grenades, shot with less lethal weapons, and pepper spray. Not to mention being chased, run over, and run down; by police on foot, bikes, horses, motorcycles, cars, vans, and large transports with militarized men hanging off the side. Those of us with feet on the ground feel as if we have been through battle and if what has been happening for the past year is a sign of exactly how dangerous the police state has become, and makes us all wonder what will be next. Simple protests getting attacked by swarms of heavily armed "soldiers" is terrifying real. Occupy changed the conversation so much the banks were running scared and donated millions to the police forces all around the country. Over one million people pulled their money out of banks in short time lazy tear due to occupy. Fraudclosure mills across the country are being exposes. Robosigning, forged documents to screw homeowners, not to mention made to fail loans, where lenders actually lied about income to give the buyer the loan. Loans are sold bank to bank, houses are stolen through confused or corrupt courts. For a year we have been fighting these injustices while facing many ourselves. Don't let the trivial matter of his being attacked over and over story you from participating in a way that doesn't include direct action as there are plenty of ways to be involved. Its not a protest its a worldwide movement.
 
2012-12-22 12:31:05 PM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: fredklein: kwame: You're missing the point. He tells her to do something. She refuses.

What, exactly was this order? To leave the area? Kinda hard for her to do when there's a crowd around her. Thus, it was not a reasonable order.

They were trying to move the protestors off the train tracks they were blocking, so the trains out of frame full of commuters could move through downtown. Pretty unreasonable.


You sidestepped the question: How could she have moved, with a crowd all around her??

A: She couldn't. Thus, the order to move was unreasonable, since she physically could not obey. It'd be like a cop ordering you to flap your arms and fly away- it's impossible. Thus, she was pepper-sprayed for not obeying an order she couldn't obey.

Unreasonable force. QED

Second, what good does spraying her int he face do? If I was sprayed like that, I'd probably collapse and lie there clawing at my eyes/mouth/nose. An ambulance would need to be called, etc. All this takes time, and... blocks the trains for longer. It's like booting a car that's parked blocking traffic- no one can drive it away since it's booted, so it stays there blocking traffic even longer.
 
2012-12-22 12:36:22 PM

AbbeySomeone: Shadowknight: BunkyBrewman: ...or he's trying to pull her back.

You believe your reality, I'll believe mine.
In truth, I know he wasn't holding her there as a shield.  A camera catches a moment in time, and he could have been pulling her back, holding her, giving her a back rub, or any number of things at the time.  It's just funny to think of some guy going "oh shiat!" and ducking behind the nearest tiny woman.

As someone familiar with protester and police behavior in that city I'm not getting a kick out of this.

/he was trying to pull her away
//PDX women are mouthy b*tches
///native


AW hipster. Were you protesting before it was cool?
 
2012-12-22 12:37:12 PM
So, the fact that the crowd behind her wouldn't let her disperse forced her to move FORWARD and scream right at the cop brandishing pepper spray. Got it.

/cognitive dissonance at its finest.
 
2012-12-22 12:37:57 PM

Saberus Terras: She sued for excessive force? I think for an officer in riot gear, pepper spray is the least lethal weapon he had, because words have clearly failed.

Not trying to support the police or any corruption therein, just an opinion. She's lucky she got cheeto'd over beat with a baton or shot. Now if he'd knocked her down and sprayed her from a few inches away, I'd agree that's too far, as the stream from those canisters can pierce the skin or eye at that close.


No kidding. Physically wrangling people into subdual is VERY risky. You get broken wrists, sprained ankles, scraped elbow, concussion, internal bruising. It's unpredictable to predict how it's gonna go down, and takes like 3 people to take down one wildly resistive person in the safest way.

This sort of riot control is NOT a new problem. You didn't invent the idea of acting as a crowd and defying police, and being a young female does not mean they can't touch you. Prior to pepper spray and CS, the options were baton-to-the-leg/knee/head, "rubber bullets" (baton rounds)- these things had a limited window of low-harm subdual, they'd either do nothing or break your arm/leg/rib or rupture an eyeball, or, also, the fire hose. And later shock-stun devices, but these never really did "work" well in the field on a crowd.

I've no judgement on the message of the protest one way or another. That's not the point. I've just got to cut off sympathy at some point if you form a crowd knowing you're gonna get into a confrontation with police, get in a confrontation, and get handled by-the-book in the least damaging protocol possible, sustain no lasting injury, and scream "brutality".
 
2012-12-22 12:39:20 PM
If the cops want a crowd to disperse, they need to pepper-spray the BACK of the crowd, let them run away, then spray the next row/layer of people, etc, not spray the FRONT row, who literally cannot move.

/but remember, smart people are allowed to be cops
 
2012-12-22 12:40:01 PM
Dammit

"smart people aren't allowed to be cops"
 
2012-12-22 12:40:30 PM
ZAZ
The judge had to find her guilty to protect police from her lawsuit.

She could still probably sue. Police protocol usually forbids (on paper, anyway) the use of pepper spray or other less-lethal tools or techniques unless the person is being in some way forceful or violent. Merely disobeying is not supposed to justify the use of pepper spray, tear gas, tazers, billy clubs, or even necessarily "pain compliance" (i.e. torture). Of course, they do it all the time and judges are totally cool with it because law and order and therefore
 
2012-12-22 12:42:14 PM

fredklein: You sidestepped the question: How could she have moved, with a crowd all around her??

A: She couldn't. Thus, the order to move was unreasonable, since she physically could not obey. It'd be like a cop ordering you to flap your arms and fly away- it's impossible. Thus, she was pepper-sprayed for not obeying an order she couldn't obey.

Unreasonable force. QED

Second, what good does spraying her int he face do? If I was sprayed like that, I'd probably collapse and lie there clawing at my eyes/mouth/nose. An ambulance would need to be called, etc. All this takes time, and... blocks the trains for longer. It's like booting a car that's parked blocking traffic- no one can drive it away since it's booted, so it stays there blocking traffic even longer.


Must be a miracle, because moving people that are lying on the ground gagging on pepper spray can't possibly be easier than moving people that are actively attacking the people telling them to move.

/"but you can't prove they were attacking!"
//and you can't prove they weren't, so go right ahead and believe the whole world is out to get you
///your paranoia will become a self-fulfilling prophecy soon enough
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-22 12:44:30 PM
RanDomino

If the claim is excessive force or false arrest, violation of protocol is not conclusive. The judge wiped out the false arrest claim by ruling she did something wrong. The finding that she disobeyed police orders also makes an excessive force claim very difficult. At least it does in my area. The Ninth Circuit might be more liberal than the First.
 
2012-12-22 12:45:15 PM

Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 383x222]


i.imgur.com

ftfy

(Your text didn't make any sense at all)
 
2012-12-22 12:47:11 PM
kwame
You don't get it, do you? Law enforcement officer tells you to do something. You do it. If you have a problem with what he told you do, you leave. You want to stand your ground? Enjoy the consequence.

static.desktopnexus.com
 
2012-12-22 12:49:46 PM
Tatterdemalian
people that are actively attacking the people telling them to move.

uh huh, and when did this happen at the protest in question?
 
2012-12-22 12:53:49 PM

Tatterdemalian: fredklein: You sidestepped the question: How could she have moved, with a crowd all around her??

A: She couldn't. Thus, the order to move was unreasonable, since she physically could not obey. It'd be like a cop ordering you to flap your arms and fly away- it's impossible. Thus, she was pepper-sprayed for not obeying an order she couldn't obey.

Unreasonable force. QED

Second, what good does spraying her int he face do? If I was sprayed like that, I'd probably collapse and lie there clawing at my eyes/mouth/nose. An ambulance would need to be called, etc. All this takes time, and... blocks the trains for longer. It's like booting a car that's parked blocking traffic- no one can drive it away since it's booted, so it stays there blocking traffic even longer.

Must be a miracle, because moving people that are lying on the ground gagging on pepper spray can't possibly be easier than moving people that are actively attacking the people telling them to move.


You need to pick up and carry each and every person lying on the ground, using 3-4 cops each. And hope they aren't seriously hurt. A person who hits his head while falling (after getting pepper sprayed) could have serious head/neck injuries, and in that case, being yanked around by some ham-fisted cops could conceivably kill them.
 
2012-12-22 12:55:11 PM
Good.

She got what she deserved PLUS it's gonna cost her a few bucks.

And this FTFA: 'he photo became an iconic image that many will remember '

'Iconic'? According to who/m? Some dipshiate reporter working the police bear?

Idiot.
 
2012-12-22 12:57:16 PM
I don't see what the big deal is. It's basically just a food additive.
 
2012-12-22 01:00:27 PM
Came for shoop of woman with her face in sprinkler.

Leaving mildly disappoint

/there was still some funny stuff in this thread
 
2012-12-22 01:01:01 PM

Lizsavage: You know what else the tea party has? Guns. Occupy protestors tend to be fairly nonviolent. We haven't "rioted" but suffered the effects of many police riots. We have been beat with clubs, tear gassed, flash grenades, shot with less lethal weapons, and pepper spray. Not to mention being chased, run over, and run down; by police on foot, bikes, horses, motorcycles, cars, vans, and large transports with militarized men hanging off the side..


Just because a protest is "nonviolent" does not entitle it to do anything. Without regard to the righteousness of any specific cause, a sit-in proceeding into obstruction and trespassing will get a response. I do respect when people are willing to sacrifice for a cause and a message.

I'm just not impressed when protesters insist they can't be touched and are all outraged when any degree of force is used and any force is illegal assault and brutality and assume there's no legal way a crowd can be checked. Or that because it's a political message rather than a soccer riot, anything and everything done is automatically entitled to Free Speech protection- it's not.

That's not to say that "orders to disperse" have never been given without lawful basis, or unreasonable force has never been used, and sometimes brutality is employed proudly by frustrated law enforcement, and it IS wrong when it goes down that way. But pepper spray into a protest after being given a lawful order to disperse is expected and the least harmful thing they could do to assert themselves. Perhaps the message is something that NEEDS to happen, like ending segregation, perhaps it's a stupid Free Hat thing, that's up to individuals to interpret.
 
2012-12-22 01:11:38 PM
There's a big difference between spraying/tasing/whatever because there's a danger vs. to get "compliance." It's the compliance one that upsets people. However, don't hate the player, hate the game: what's that department's policy?

She's lucky she wasn't in P.G. County, MD. Department policy is to beat you with batons if you look at them crosswise. Or just because they feel like it.

/been tased before, as a demo
//not that bad
///for one second, anyway
 
2012-12-22 01:14:44 PM
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

I need to ask you to stop. That..."protesting"...is making people nervous.
 
2012-12-22 01:15:24 PM
Hat 's

douchebag/hater: Good.

She got what she deserved PLUS it's gonna cost her a few bucks.

And this FTFA: 'he photo became an iconic image that many will remember '

'Iconic'? According to who/m? Some dipshiate reporter working the police bear?

Idiot.


What's a "police bear"? Is that like the cop from the Village People? Or is it an actual bear, like a super-scary police dog? Neither sounds very good.
 
2012-12-22 01:30:21 PM

flami: Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 383x222]

[i.imgur.com image 383x222]

ftfy

(Your text didn't make any sense at all)



Dankeschön!
 
2012-12-22 01:34:22 PM

Shadowknight: It's just funny to think of some guy going "oh shiat!" and ducking behind the nearest tiny woman.


That seems to be Obama's modus operandi.
 
2012-12-22 01:35:36 PM

QuickDirtyOS: Would that cop be brave enough to do it against an enemy ?


He's pepper-spraying one, isn't he?
 
2012-12-22 01:35:45 PM

danwinkler: Hey libs, that is what happens when you wish for an all-powerful nanny state and the destruction of the constitution. "but I only rally against and try to destroy the parts of the constitution I personally don't like!", you might say. Doesn't matter. You destroy some of it (like maybe the second amendment), you allow for it's wholesale destruction. Enjoy your brutality, wars, indefinite detentions, gropings, kill lists, etc - its what you wanted. Don't pretend you didn't know it, or ask forgiveness. We warned toy of the ultimate outcome.


As long as they start doing it to the right wingers for a change, all in.  Far more deserving than this dumb college kid.
 
2012-12-22 01:41:52 PM

Esn: For some reason, things like this never happened at the Tea Party rallies. I wonder why.

The Tea Partiers acted all hurt and oppressed, but they were never actually hurt or oppressed.


The Tea Partiers largely behaved like adults who had jobs and businesses to go back to at the end of the day.

The Occupy people largely behaved like trust fund kids and social rejects who faced no consequence other than having to go back to Mom's basement.
 
2012-12-22 01:42:39 PM

Lizsavage: You know what else the tea party has? Guns. Occupy protestors tend to be fairly nonviolent. We haven't "rioted" but suffered the effects of many police riots. We have been beat with clubs, tear gassed, flash grenades, shot with less lethal weapons, and pepper spray. Not to mention being chased, run over, and run down; by police on foot, bikes, horses, motorcycles, cars, vans, and large transports with militarized men hanging off the side. Those of us with feet on the ground feel as if we have been through battle and if what has been happening for the past year is a sign of exactly how dangerous the police state has become, and makes us all wonder what will be next. Simple protests getting attacked by swarms of heavily armed "soldiers" is terrifying real. Occupy changed the conversation so much the banks were running scared and donated millions to the police forces all around the country. Over one million people pulled their money out of banks in short time lazy tear due to occupy. Fraudclosure mills across the country are being exposes. Robosigning, forged documents to screw homeowners, not to mention made to fail loans, where lenders actually lied about income to give the buyer the loan. Loans are sold bank to bank, houses are stolen through confused or corrupt courts. For a year we have been fighting these injustices while facing many ourselves. Don't let the trivial matter of his being attacked over and over story you from participating in a way that doesn't include direct action as there are plenty of ways to be involved. Its not a protest its a worldwide movement.


I live in a neighborhood that got a full winter's worth of Occupy camping out last year, and has had about a protest a month since.  All identification with #Occupy (I am not a 1 percenter after all) flew out the window at about the first smashy smashy on buildings just blocks from my home.  They were breaking car windows too -- people who just happened to park unwittingly near a protest point that day.

There were also assaults by Occupy overnight campers against people passing by.  Nothing fatal but some fist fights.  At least one rape attempt too.

Occupy started out with high minded morals and descended into mindless violence and smash-the-state crap.  It forces people to take sides, and guess what -- most people took the side of "please stop breaking sh*t near my home, if that means police mix it up with you, I guess thats better."  You completely lost the actual middle class you claim you're fighting for.

Cops are asshats, no disputing.  But you guys are often worse.  Go home and complain to your parents, we're just people going about our daily lives, going to and from work.

Anarchy seems to mean if you are angry you get to break other peoples stuff, on some convoluted logic that everyone is to blame.  Looks like petulant children throwing a fit more than anything.

And the police are your parents, I guess.

Go home, grow up, live some years and get back to me.  Smashing sh*t that other people worked hard to build or repair or buy doesn't win you any friends.  It just makes people pushed away from your cause.  And will probably hate you forever, some of us.
 
2012-12-22 01:45:59 PM

Generation_D: I live in a neighborhood that got a full winter's worth of Occupy camping out last year, and has had about a protest a month since. All identification with #Occupy (I am not a 1 percenter after all) flew out the window at about the first smashy smashy on buildings just blocks from my home. They were breaking car windows too -- people who just happened to park unwittingly near a protest point that day.


And, of course, the ENTIRE movement is responsible for the actions of a few individuals.
 
2012-12-22 01:46:10 PM

Theaetetus:

Annnnd we see the real justification in your eyes. Violence is okay, if someone is female and speaking.


It is if your name is Patrick Moran.
 
wee [TotalFark]
2012-12-22 01:48:56 PM

QuickDirtyOS: ur a fool


Eat a bag of dicks.
 
2012-12-22 01:50:44 PM

Esn: Animatronik: Esn: For some reason, things like this never happened at the Tea Party rallies. I wonder why.

The Tea Partiers acted all hurt and oppressed, but they were never actually hurt or oppressed.

That's because they didn't fight with the police, get a mouthful of pepper spray, and a fine.

/I have no sympathy with angry rioters because you can hold peaceful demonstrations in the U.S. and we have free elections. If ppl really were oppressed here, it would be different.

The Tea Partiers were left alone because their interests coincided with those of the elite.


Mega Elites: Democratic Party. Regular Elites: Republican Party. Quit pretending Democrats don't consider themselves elites.. it's disingenuous


STRYPERSWINE:
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poignant


jehovahs witness protection:
This is what opening a can of STFU might look like.

COMPLETELY lol'd irl...
 
2012-12-22 02:04:46 PM
Oznog
I'm just not impressed when protesters insist they can't be touched and are all outraged when any degree of force is used and any force is illegal assault and brutality and assume there's no legal way a crowd can be checked.

No one's saying that. If the police hadn't used violence to respond to nonviolence then hardly anyone would be complaining. Instead, they initiated force and inflicted pain just to compel compliance of people who were no threat.

Or that because it's a political message rather than a soccer riot, anything and everything done is automatically entitled to Free Speech protection- it's not.

The "free speech" defense of Occupy was half-hearted at best. I don't think people really know why they occupied.


Generation_D
I live in a neighborhood that got a full winter's worth of Occupy camping out last year

Let me guess: You live in a new apartment building in a cheap neighborhood.
 
2012-12-22 02:07:59 PM
I'm all for seeing both sides of an argument, but it's pretty clear by now that the #Occupy movement failed, and that failure was mostly its own fault. What you guys meant to be a noble, world-changing (or at least america-changing) movement became a huge self-entitled temper tantrum that lost you the support of anyone who was even a little bit on the fence, because you didn't want to do anything that the Evul Empyre had done. You know, like organize, or plan ahead, or have leaders, or structure, or sustainability. Or hygiene, apparently. You'd rather look cool and lose than be practical and win.

You guys failed. I wish you'd learn from your mistakes, in case there's another opportunity in the future.
 
2012-12-22 02:10:28 PM
All of you in the Politics tab that are Statists/Authoritarians (95% of you I'd say) are getting the government you demanded, so STFU and GBTW or you'll eat pepper spray too.

We can all one day chant along with you!

The government can do no wrong.
The government takes care of us.
It is the ultimate patriotic act to pay taxes, the higher the better.
I love Big Brother.
 
2012-12-22 02:11:04 PM

Amos Quito: The First Amendment.

Now with Peppery Goodness.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


That part in bold there would be why the Occupy people keep running afoul of the police since what they are doing is quite often not "peaceably". There would be a reason that the Tea Party rallies don't have these problems and the Occupy rallies do... and no its not because of some evil fascist empire keeping the Occupy people down.
 
2012-12-22 02:40:32 PM

Saberus Terras: She sued for excessive force? I think for an officer in riot gear, pepper spray is the least lethal weapon he had, because words have clearly failed.

Not trying to support the police or any corruption therein, just an opinion. She's lucky she got cheeto'd over beat with a baton or shot. Now if he'd knocked her down and sprayed her from a few inches away, I'd agree that's too far, as the stream from those canisters can pierce the skin or eye at that close.


I think her premise is that a guy in full riot gear  maybe doesn't have a lot to fear from a dinky unarmed woman and should have just ignored her for the few minutes it took for the other protester to drag her off. That riot gear is maybe half of what my self-defence teacher used during our class, with women about twice that girl's size, and he felt nothing, so she has a point.

/A good half of stopping a fight is planting your ass in front of one person, saying 'no you may not do X' and ignoring any attempt to do anything else. Only move or react if they're doing something that clearly leads to engagement.
//The police are too quick to forget that. Understandable, given their training, but we should maybe try and train them a little better.
 
2012-12-22 02:45:23 PM

fredklein: Generation_D: I live in a neighborhood that got a full winter's worth of Occupy camping out last year, and has had about a protest a month since. All identification with #Occupy (I am not a 1 percenter after all) flew out the window at about the first smashy smashy on buildings just blocks from my home. They were breaking car windows too -- people who just happened to park unwittingly near a protest point that day.

And, of course, the ENTIRE movement is responsible for the actions of a few individuals.


Of the ones that show up and protest, no, not everyone is responsible directly.  But by showing up and providing human shield for black bloc, you really kind of are directly responsible, yeah.
 
2012-12-22 02:48:21 PM

RanDomino: Oznog
I'm just not impressed when protesters insist they can't be touched and are all outraged when any degree of force is used and any force is illegal assault and brutality and assume there's no legal way a crowd can be checked.

No one's saying that. If the police hadn't used violence to respond to nonviolence then hardly anyone would be complaining. Instead, they initiated force and inflicted pain just to compel compliance of people who were no threat.

Or that because it's a political message rather than a soccer riot, anything and everything done is automatically entitled to Free Speech protection- it's not.

The "free speech" defense of Occupy was half-hearted at best. I don't think people really know why they occupied.


Generation_D
I live in a neighborhood that got a full winter's worth of Occupy camping out last year

Let me guess: You live in a new apartment building in a cheap neighborhood.


Holy crap you're smart.

Lets turn it around.  Tell me where you live, and I'll get some friends and show up and break the nearest business windows to your home, frighten your pets, maybe take out some car windows along your street.

Will I then get to accuse you of not living in an appropriate enough dwelling to have a political say?

For some reason you think because something is downtown, you have a right to smash it because it is where traditionally, the protests have been held.

I say we've had enough.  Move that sh*t out to suburbia, its where most/all of the kids doing it grew up, its where it would be nearer your families homes.
 
2012-12-22 02:50:39 PM
This is what usually happens when I attempt to reason with people supporting protesters.

I *live* in the area you are breaking things in and protesting in.  And have since you were probably born.

I think I know what the hell is going on when you guys show up from out of town, break crap, get on the news, and then play the victim.  And force cops to have to work overtime, which we all have to pay extra taxes to support.

Seriously, protesting is weak sauce.  Its lame.  It just drives people away from the cause you say you are in favor of, because it is polarizing.

// no fan of the cops, but black bloc bullsh*t is worse.  No pity.
 
2012-12-22 02:55:30 PM
Hm.  Looks like this issue has already been to the SCOTUS and back.  Lundberg v. County of Humboldt.  The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals (which has jurisdiction over the present case) found that cops are not automatically entitled to pepper-spray non-violent citizens to obtain compliance with a lawful order.  The facts of each case must be weighed by a jury.  Lundberg was tried three times at the district level; hung juries the first two trials.  Citizens finally won.  The last jury awarded damages of $1 per plaintiff.

This woman has a pretty good chance of prevailing based on precedent.  She may have trouble getting a jury that will go along with her damages claim.
 
2012-12-22 03:01:17 PM
I'm undecided. Give me unedited video of what led up to the incident and what followed and then I'll make a decision. Remember this?

www.trbimg.com

Everything in the news was claiming that they were peaceful protesters and were only blocking the sidewalk. What actually happened and you can see it on the full length video is that the police were removing their tents and some protesters tried to stop them. Those protesters were arrested. When the cops tried to escort them away a group of protesters surrounded them completely blocking them in. They then started to chant "If you let them go we will let you leave."

So I'm a bit skeptical when I hear that protesters were being completely peaceful and doing nothing that deserved pepper spraying.

Short UC Davis highlights

Full 30 minute UC Davis link
 
2012-12-22 03:04:09 PM
Whoops, forgot to add. NSFW language at a couple points in the recordings.
 
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