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2012-12-22 11:07:29 AM
Zuccotti Park showed us all exactly what happens when the freeloading liberals are left to their own devices:

*) Went straight to an unelected oligarchy, completely bypassing democratically elected leaders. The people who had control of the (Wells Fargo, heh) bank account were the leaders.

*) Third world sanitation and the predictable spread of preventable disease.

*) Violence, rape, antisemitism, and racism.

*) 'some are more equal than others' nomenklatura with at least 3 separate classes of people: the oligarchy, the commoners, and the takers, with more on the way.

*) Zero self-sustainability, just waiting around for food handouts, etc.

Yes, the Liberal Utopia, all held together by a common hatred for the people who actually pay taxes and and contribute to society.
 
2012-12-22 11:11:32 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Don't you guys get it, man?

The Occupy Movement makes the Powers-That-Be scared and when they get scared they send in their jackbooted thugs. Attack a bank? That's a beating. Exercise your right to protest? That's a beating. March peacefully in solidarity? That's a beating.

You know why the TEA PARTY didn't get the cops sicced on them because they <b>are</b> the Establishment. They are a front for the Koch Brothers, and are used to consolidate power for the right wing Capitalists.

Occupy is about Freedom. The Tea Party is about racism and crushing the working man.

That's why the unarmed woman in this picture is getting brutalized by the police in riot gear.


You're trying too hard.
 
2012-12-22 11:12:29 AM
Shot in the mouth / now she's to blame / They give freedom / a bad name.
 
2012-12-22 11:13:02 AM

kwame: AverageAmericanGuy: Don't you guys get it, man?

The Occupy Movement makes the Powers-That-Be scared and when they get scared they send in their jackbooted thugs. Attack a bank? That's a beating. Exercise your right to protest? That's a beating. March peacefully in solidarity? That's a beating.

You know why the TEA PARTY didn't get the cops sicced on them because they <b>are</b> the Establishment. They are a front for the Koch Brothers, and are used to consolidate power for the right wing Capitalists.

Occupy is about Freedom. The Tea Party is about racism and crushing the working man.

That's why the unarmed woman in this picture is getting brutalized by the police in riot gear.

You're trying too hard.


And HTML doesn't seem to work right either.
 
2012-12-22 11:13:50 AM

kwame: Raharu: I bet that officer felt very Threatened by her.

Good point. He should have just stood there and argued with her.


It's not the officers job to argue or debate with her. He is there to respond with appropriate force to ensure public safety.

He's also head to toe in body armor, and carrying a riot shield, and like has more physical strength due to his much higher body mass.

He must have a very small dick to be so threatened by her as to pepper spray he in the face let alone directly in the mouth. The appropriate response would have been to push back harder on his shield.
 
2012-12-22 11:14:17 AM

BarkingUnicorn: gilgigamesh: ZAZ: An Occupy Portland protester who was blasted in the face with pepper spray was found guilty this week of ignoring police orders and will now have to pay a fine.

The judge had to find her guilty to protect police from her lawsuit.

Probably.  Even if that wasn't the intent, it is the effect.  Since the state has a higher burden of proof in a criminal matter than a civil, a finding that the police acted reasonably in some fashion would mean her suit is now dead in the water.

The civil grievance of "excessive force" is not disproved by her conviction for failing to obey a lawful order. However, I don't think the force used will be found excessive.


It's not even close to excessive force.  That is, unless he shot her in the back of the head after after pepperspraying and handcuffing her.

The only claim she may have had would have been false arrest, which is, as I said, dead in the water if she was convicted.

chewielouie: No and no.


Thank you for your insightful rebuttal.  Tell me, how many civil rights actions against police have you litigated in your long and illustrious legal career?
 
2012-12-22 11:14:23 AM
Shadowknight

BunkyBrewman: ...or he's trying to pull her back.

You believe your reality, I'll believe mine.

In truth, I know he wasn't holding her there as a shield. A camera catches a moment in time, and he could have been pulling her back, holding her, giving her a back rub, or any number of things at the time. It's just funny to think of some guy going "oh shiat!" and ducking behind the nearest tiny woman.


Wow you have your own reality. Thats impressive, I can even have a dog.

If you read anything about this, you would know that the guy stated he was trying to pull her back at the ordering of the officer and that she kepting pulling forward hence the appearance of her leading with her face.

Do you see that in your reality.
 
2012-12-22 11:14:34 AM
That picture warmed my heart and brightened my day. Rule #1 in life is when someone with pepper spray, a gun, and they rule of law says to do something, do it or this will happen.
 
2012-12-22 11:16:18 AM
When they interviewed her, she said all her food tasted like Cajun food for over 5 weeks after the event.
 
2012-12-22 11:16:21 AM

way south: You wanted more government.
You got a mouthful of it.


Yes, because in the conservative vision of small-government America, there's not much law enforcement. They hate police.
 
2012-12-22 11:17:06 AM

TOWG: That picture warmed my heart and brightened my day. Rule #1 in life is when someone with pepper spray, a gun, and they rule of law says to do something, do it or this will happen.



It's good to know that you bow and humble yourself to the nearest armed authority figure.

Pick up that can citizen.
 
2012-12-22 11:17:43 AM
More to the point, if her arrest was lawful, then everything the officer did to effect that arrest is lawful.  

From what we know. I am assuming, of course, he didn't handcuff her and then rape her or something.
 
2012-12-22 11:18:34 AM
Cop tells you to do something reasonable and in compliance
You refuse
Cop tells you again
You refuse again and ratchet up the disregard and you'll get a face full of pepper spray

I realize most of you are young and duty bound to hate police for ruining you're buzz but this is a common sense life lesson. The cop is there doing the job they're paid to. It's the mouthy biatch who is the person doing wrong in the picture
 
2012-12-22 11:19:52 AM

Raharu: kwame: Raharu: I bet that officer felt very Threatened by her.

Good point. He should have just stood there and argued with her.

It's not the officers job to argue or debate with her. He is there to respond with appropriate force to ensure public safety.

He's also head to toe in body armor, and carrying a riot shield, and like has more physical strength due to his much higher body mass.

He must have a very small dick to be so threatened by her as to pepper spray he in the face let alone directly in the mouth. The appropriate response would have been to push back harder on his shield.


"Watch out, men! She's got a  voice!"
 
2012-12-22 11:19:56 AM
Liz Nichols does Portland?
 
2012-12-22 11:20:22 AM

Raharu: kwame: Raharu: I bet that officer felt very Threatened by her.

Good point. He should have just stood there and argued with her.

It's not the officers job to argue or debate with her. He is there to respond with appropriate force to ensure public safety.

He's also head to toe in body armor, and carrying a riot shield, and like has more physical strength due to his much higher body mass.

He must have a very small dick to be so threatened by her as to pepper spray he in the face let alone directly in the mouth. The appropriate response would have been to push back harder on his shield.


You're missing the point. He tells her to do something. She refuses. At that point, in a crowd outnumbering law enforcement, she absolutely is a threat.
 
2012-12-22 11:20:33 AM

Raharu: It's good to know that you bow and humble yourself to the nearest armed authority figure.

Pick up that can citizen.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/15/indiana-high-court-rules- pe ople-resist-illegal-entry-police-homes/

It doesn't matter whether or not you feel you are being wronged. You can take that up with them in court. In the meantime, comply.
 
2012-12-22 11:21:18 AM
Raharu [

kwame: Raharu: I bet that officer felt very Threatened by her.

Good point. He should have just stood there and argued with her.

It's not the officers job to argue or debate with her. He is there to respond with appropriate force to ensure public safety.

He's also head to toe in body armor, and carrying a riot shield, and like has more physical strength due to his much higher body mass.

He must have a very small dick to be so threatened by her as to pepper spray he in the face let alone directly in the mouth. The appropriate response would have been to push back harder on his shield.


You don't pay cops to put themselves in harms way, you pay them to maintain public safety. Use of pepper spray or taser would have the smallest risk to him. Don't want some stupid coont getting in a lucky shot and putting this guy on disability for rest of his career.
 
2012-12-22 11:21:51 AM

SuperDuper28: Cop tells you to do something reasonable and in compliance
You refuse
Cop tells you again
You refuse again and ratchet up the disregard and you'll get a face full of pepper spray


What does that even mean? 

I realize most of you are young and duty bound to hate police for ruining you're buzz but this is a common sense life lesson. The cop is there doing the job they're paid to. It's the mouthy biatch who is the person doing wrong in the picture

Annnnd we see the real justification in your eyes. Violence is okay, if someone is female and speaking.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-22 11:22:15 AM
When they interviewed her, she said all her food tasted like Cajun food for over 5 weeks after the event.

Or Mexican food. Several years ago a memo was sent out to Cambridge, Mass. police officers warning that Hispanic people had a lot of hot pepper in their diet and may have built up resistance to pepper spray. Eventually somebody noticed that the memo was telling police to spray brown skinned people harder. The advice was withdrawn.
 
2012-12-22 11:22:35 AM

Raharu: kwame: Raharu: I bet that officer felt very Threatened by her.

Good point. He should have just stood there and argued with her.

It's not the officers job to argue or debate with her. He is there to respond with appropriate force to ensure public safety.

He's also head to toe in body armor, and carrying a riot shield, and like has more physical strength due to his much higher body mass.

He must have a very small dick to be so threatened by her as to pepper spray he in the face let alone directly in the mouth. The appropriate response would have been to push back harder on his shield.


Clearly the problem wasn't what she was saying or how she was saying it, it was her immediate threat to destroy the entire city due to a lack of near-death incapacitation.

Don't blame the cops...how would you feel if you sat around all day writing tickets for speeding and broken parking lights, and no chance to unleash any of your weaponry on anyone?  I mean, everywhere they go people are putting away bongs and acting nervous.  The only people they can trust to relax around them are other cops!

Please, think of the bored, trigger-happy cops.  If you care about dead kids in CT and starving kids in Africa, you have to care about these heavily armed and armored policemen and their emotional needs, too.
 
2012-12-22 11:22:53 AM
Oh, I get it now.

It's Christmas and we need to start doing what the police say.

My bad.
 
2012-12-22 11:23:09 AM
Came for the photoshops, leaving disappointed.
 
2012-12-22 11:25:10 AM
If I would have had a can of that stuff when living with the ex........

Peace bliss,,,so on.
 
2012-12-22 11:28:24 AM

kwame: Raharu: kwame: Raharu: I bet that officer felt very Threatened by her.

Good point. He should have just stood there and argued with her.

It's not the officers job to argue or debate with her. He is there to respond with appropriate force to ensure public safety.

He's also head to toe in body armor, and carrying a riot shield, and like has more physical strength due to his much higher body mass.

He must have a very small dick to be so threatened by her as to pepper spray he in the face let alone directly in the mouth. The appropriate response would have been to push back harder on his shield.

You're missing the point. He tells her to do something. She refuses. At that point, in a crowd outnumbering law enforcement, she absolutely is a threat.





Was she throwing rocks, punches, molotovs? Was anyone else in the crowd, had there been any signs of rioting?


Was the situation generally calm until the officers escalated by showing up armed and in body armor?
 
2012-12-22 11:29:42 AM
Wish I wasn't posting from my phone. I want to post a picture of Homer saying "mmmm incapacitating."
 
2012-12-22 11:31:27 AM

lordjupiter: Ok, so let me get it straight...there's NOTHING wrong with the system or the government and these smelly hippies need to shut up (to hell with their rights under the 1st Amendment) and just DO WHAT THE GOVERNMENT/COPS SAY ... but the government is also oppressive and can't be trusted because they'll send the police and military after us any day now, so Tea Partiers need unlimited guns (2nd Amendment) to protect themselves from that same government....that they also protested against....but that they support when macing hippies....but don't trust.....but that doesn't mean the hippies are right....or something.


The only good hippy is a maced hippy.
 
2012-12-22 11:32:02 AM

Animatronik: That's because they didn't fight with the police, get a mouthful of pepper spray, and a fine./I have no sympathy with angry rioters because you can hold peaceful demonstrations in the U.S. and we have free elections. If ppl really were oppressed here, it would be different.


The fact is that the teabaggers protests are more like parades, complete with colonialist cosplay, while the occutards prefer the "booze up and riot" style of protesting.

Also, the teabaggers have guns, while the occutards get foaming-at-the-mouth offended at the mere mention of guns. So if the police did descend on the teabagger parade, one of them might get shot, and the frontline officers would rather not risk it as long as the teabaggers don't mess with them (which they don't, because the police also have guns).

/the occutards would probably be a lot more respected if they would just clean up after themselves
//but their whole point is to prove the US is filthy and corrupt, and the universal progressive debate strategy is to prove it true by spreading filth and corruption themselves
 
2012-12-22 11:32:34 AM

Esn: For some reason, things like this never happened at the Tea Party rallies. I wonder why.

The Tea Partiers acted all hurt and oppressed, but they were never actually hurt or oppressed.


I can't stand the tea party groups, but their rallies had the proper permits and dispersed if ordered. Thus, the police never had to get involved. The Occupy movement was pretty much the exact opposite. Pepper spray is not a surprising outcome.
 
2012-12-22 11:34:17 AM
That just became my favorite image of the "occupy" childishness.
 
2012-12-22 11:34:54 AM
I lol'd at the Brazers shoop. Adding a Brazzers logo to anything instantly makes it 8.5x funnier, it's science
 
2012-12-22 11:39:21 AM
judge: "I will dismiss this case if you are able to tell me what you were actually protesting or what the Occupy movement was actually about"

coont: "HERPDERP 99 PERCENT"

judge: *gavel*
 
2012-12-22 11:39:31 AM

SuperDuper28: Cop tells you to do something reasonable and in compliance
You refuse
Cop tells you again
You refuse again and ratchet up the disregard and you'll get a face full of pepper spray

I realize most of you are young and duty bound to hate police for ruining you're buzz but this is a common sense life lesson. The cop is there doing the job they're paid to. It's the mouthy biatch who is the person doing wrong in the picture


I'm not young, I'm boring, don't use drugs, don't speed, enjoy my beer safely at home when I'm in for the night, and in general just not at all any sort of trouble maker. Cops have never ruined my buzz, yet I can see plain as day that there is a lot of corruption in our police forces. If I were on a jury and it was the defendant's word against a cop's, I would probably believe the defendant.
 
2012-12-22 11:41:49 AM
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2012-12-22 11:42:07 AM
the goggles, they do nothing!!!!
 
2012-12-22 11:43:45 AM
This is why "gun nuts" are so "crazy" over not having their guns taken away, just so you know. On the odd chance that they might have to use them to stop the government from doing this more and more. Keep demanding we ban them though, I hear pepper spray is an acquired taste.
 
2012-12-22 11:46:33 AM
First thread i read this morning with me cup of coffee and I must say, it made it a good one.
 
2012-12-22 11:48:16 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-22 11:49:25 AM
Listen, folks... I said it once, you wrote it down..

This is the end.. because..

If someone is robbing you of $260 in the street - ur a fool, but he , he is a thief.

Sooo.. let me see..
He is a thief.
This thief isnt a judge.
This system is not good.
What isn't good is useless.
Useless stuff do not last long, not in the real world.

(or in a few words: a chain is as strong as its weakest link, get rid of him, if you can)

Q.E.D
 
2012-12-22 11:51:06 AM
Don't immediately follow the pointless request of a militarized cop?

That's an assault with a pain spray.

It's still not clear to me why pepper spray isn't banned under the Chem Weapons Convention.
 
2012-12-22 11:51:34 AM

WhoopAssWayne: Zuccotti Park showed us all exactly what happens when the freeloading liberals are left to their own devices:

*) Went straight to an unelected oligarchy, completely bypassing democratically elected leaders. The people who had control of the (Wells Fargo, heh) bank account were the leaders.

*) Third world sanitation and the predictable spread of preventable disease.

*) Violence, rape, antisemitism, and racism.

*) 'some are more equal than others' nomenklatura with at least 3 separate classes of people: the oligarchy, the commoners, and the takers, with more on the way.

*) Zero self-sustainability, just waiting around for food handouts, etc.

Yes, the Liberal Utopia, all held together by a common hatred for the people who actually pay taxes and and contribute to society.


Wait, liberals are the ones who hate paying taxes now?

I thought liberals were the ones who wanted more taxes to pay for universal health care and a repeal of tax cuts for the wealthy and more taxes from the top
2%?

It's almost like you're so full of shiat that it's coming out of your mouth.
 
2012-12-22 11:54:39 AM
Gotta' love one of the comments at the website. " I wonder if her asshole burned the next day."
 
2012-12-22 11:56:02 AM
Would that cop be brave enough to do it against an enemy ?
 
2012-12-22 11:57:37 AM
Hey libs, that is what happens when you wish for an all-powerful nanny state and the destruction of the constitution. "but I only rally against and try to destroy the parts of the constitution I personally don't like!", you might say. Doesn't matter. You destroy some of it (like maybe the second amendment), you allow for it's wholesale destruction. Enjoy your brutality, wars, indefinite detentions, gropings, kill lists, etc - its what you wanted. Don't pretend you didn't know it, or ask forgiveness. We warned toy of the ultimate outcome.
 
2012-12-22 11:59:04 AM

Raharu: kwame: Raharu: kwame: Raharu: I bet that officer felt very Threatened by her.

Good point. He should have just stood there and argued with her.

It's not the officers job to argue or debate with her. He is there to respond with appropriate force to ensure public safety.

He's also head to toe in body armor, and carrying a riot shield, and like has more physical strength due to his much higher body mass.

He must have a very small dick to be so threatened by her as to pepper spray he in the face let alone directly in the mouth. The appropriate response would have been to push back harder on his shield.

You're missing the point. He tells her to do something. She refuses. At that point, in a crowd outnumbering law enforcement, she absolutely is a threat.




Was she throwing rocks, punches, molotovs? Was anyone else in the crowd, had there been any signs of rioting?


Was the situation generally calm until the officers escalated by showing up armed and in body armor?


Irrelevant.

You don't get it, do you? Law enforcement officer tells you to do something. You do it. If you have a problem with what he told you do, you leave. You want to stand your ground? Enjoy the consequence.
 
2012-12-22 12:00:13 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: Don't immediately follow the pointless request of a militarized cop?

That's an assault with a pain spray.

It's still not clear to me why pepper spray isn't banned under the Chem Weapons Convention.


Hmm, maybe you should read up on what real chemical weapons do to a person and then you might understand.
 
2012-12-22 12:03:28 PM
This was excessive use of force by one lone nut cop and it's proven by the fact that all of his cop buddies didn't pull out their pepper spray cans and cut loose on the other protesters. The cop and the city got lucky that the judge backed him up.
 
2012-12-22 12:05:28 PM
What you don't see in the picture is the commuter train the Occupiers were blocking in downtown. The police told them to move so the train could come through and they ignored the reasonable request.

/no sympathy
 
2012-12-22 12:07:19 PM

Shadowknight: Nothing like a human shield with a mild resemblance to Hermione Granger.


2.bp.blogspot.comthaiintelligentnews.files.wordpress.comimg.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-22 12:07:45 PM
It looks more like she is doing some kind of banshee scream or canary cry to me
 
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