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(Daily Mail)   It's bad enough if you're a stripper and you lose a lawsuit against your boss for unlawfully firing you. It's even worse if the judge compares you to a church organist   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 97
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2012-12-22 04:19:25 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: She's okay [i.imgur.com image 468x240]


Yes, but what kind of yellowed, leaning, dilapidated picket fence for teeth is she consciously covering with those lips
 
2012-12-22 04:20:48 PM
It's a man, baby!
 
2012-12-22 04:26:00 PM

BarkingUnicorn: diaphoresis: rev. dave: making more employees into contractors in order to avoid rights guaranteed to employees.

I did that. I gave my 'former employees/new contractors" an 80% raise, but I no longer have to pay unemployment insurance, health insurance, and my BOP insurance went down almost 18%. All 34 of the 'former employees/new contractors' were ok with the new payscale and rules for being a contractor.

I hope you checked with the IRS as well.


CPA orchestrated everything. If I run afoul of the IRS, it's the CPA's fault.

/Even got a signed letter from her taking responsibility
 
2012-12-22 04:33:10 PM
Most food delivery drivers work as independent contractors as well. But they usually get free food and not have to listen to shiatty music unless they wish to.
 
2012-12-22 04:37:36 PM

FunkOut: Most food delivery drivers work as independent contractors as well. But they usually get free food and not have to listen to shiatty music unless they wish to.


But do they still have to take off their clothes?
 
2012-12-22 04:38:56 PM

Teufelaffe: FunkOut: Most food delivery drivers work as independent contractors as well. But they usually get free food and not have to listen to shiatty music unless they wish to.

But do they still have to take off their clothes?


If they come to my house they do...
 
2012-12-22 04:40:18 PM

theflatline: drjekel_mrhyde: She's okay [i.imgur.com image 468x240]

i am have seen hotter trannies walking the streets of latin america.


Whar! For science.
 
2012-12-22 04:41:43 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Best part: dancer dollars expire after about two weeks, so spend them while they're still good.


So do the dancers actually take the time to look at the expiration, or do they just get the bad news when they try to cash out?
 
2012-12-22 04:42:59 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: She's okay [i.imgur.com image 468x240]


Finally an answer to the old question "why the long face?"

Lost my stripper lawsuit.

Also...

What's better than roses on my piano?

Tulips on my organ.

/Penis
 
2012-12-22 04:43:43 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: She wasn't an employee. She was self employed and paying £65 a night to use the space under the club's conditions. The club never paid her a wage at all. There's nothing sad about it. If she doesn't like it she can find a different job.

/I hope her club had very dim lighting. British hot.


Given the degree of control the employer had I would call her an employee anyway.

rev. dave: The disturbing part of this is that the UK and the US as far as I know are both making more employees into contractors in order to avoid rights guaranteed to employees. I do not know much about the UK but in the US is so companies do not face as many costs and liabilities. Employers are paying politicians here to get away with as much as possible, in the UK I assume the same sort of issues.

/ I know that it is more about the stripper's lack of appeal to most of you than the rights of employees so sorry.


I strongly suspect this is another example of it, although it's also a matter of the club getting some of her tips rather than paying her to work there.

diaphoresis: rev. dave: making more employees into contractors in order to avoid rights guaranteed to employees.

I did that. I gave my 'former employees/new contractors" an 80% raise, but I no longer have to pay unemployment insurance, health insurance, and my BOP insurance went down almost 18%. All 34 of the 'former employees/new contractors' were ok with the new payscale and rules for being a contractor.


But the IRS very well might not be.

mikefinch: So wait -- The club wouldnt let people toss money at the ladies? They had to buy vouchers and toss the vouchers up and then the club would reimburse the dancer for the vouchers she collected?

Is this normal for strip clubs? Seems like its a bit sinister. Why do they need a middle man?


It's another tactic to get part of their tips--the dancers don't get the full value that the patrons paid.
 
2012-12-22 04:48:11 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: BarkingUnicorn: Pray 4 Mojo: BarkingUnicorn: In the U. S., several courts have ruled that strippers are employees and not independent contractors.  Here's one case showing the court's reasoning, in North Dakota.  Here's another case that went to the Kansas Court of Appeals.  And from Massachusetts, the case of Kayla Jenks v. The Golden Banana.

"Independent contractor" status for strippers is completely unsupportable under federal law.  Clubs get away with it only when strippers let them.  Here's an example the cost a chain of clubs $13 million.

Interesting reading.

Legality aside, independent contractor status has fans and foes among strippers.  Article includes notes on The Lusty Lady, a club that unionized in 1997 and later went employee-owned.

The clubs that I'm familiar with are truly independent contractor houses. The girls show up for work whenever they want and pay a house fee depending on what "options" they want. If they want to only work short, premium shifts and not dance on the main stage, the house fee is higher... but it's up to them.

It's not any different than a hair dresser that rents a booth at a salon. You can go cheap as possible... or pay the premium for the receptionist, an assistant... etc...


I know less about how hairdressers do business than I know about dancers... although I did know a hairdresser who went into dancing.

Dancers have told me that management sets the schedules and if you don't show up, or leave early, you pay a fine.  That's how I would run a "team" of crazy girls. Just letting them show up whenever they wish is a recipe for disaster.  But controlling schedules tends to make you an employer.
 
2012-12-22 04:49:17 PM

diaphoresis: BarkingUnicorn: diaphoresis: rev. dave: making more employees into contractors in order to avoid rights guaranteed to employees.

I did that. I gave my 'former employees/new contractors" an 80% raise, but I no longer have to pay unemployment insurance, health insurance, and my BOP insurance went down almost 18%. All 34 of the 'former employees/new contractors' were ok with the new payscale and rules for being a contractor.

I hope you checked with the IRS as well.

CPA orchestrated everything. If I run afoul of the IRS, it's the CPA's fault.

/Even got a signed letter from her taking responsibility


Very wise.
 
2012-12-22 04:50:32 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Get over it biatch, you're a stripper, a independent contractor, and you sell your body for money, you're one step above giving 20 dollar blowjobs and anal sex behind a dumpster. The place where you work has not "employed" you at all. "Employed" means they are paying you a wage per hour to show up and work, you don't receive any hourly pay as a stripper from the owner of the building. You get tips, that's all.


Now why do you want to go and spurn the fourth Commandment like that?
 
2012-12-22 04:51:04 PM
I've been to clubs all over WI, IL, MI, MO, IN, OH, KY, WV and VA (lots of work travel) and I have never heard of "dancer dollars"
 
2012-12-22 04:54:40 PM

BarkingUnicorn: That's how I would run a "team" of crazy girls. Just letting them show up whenever they wish is a recipe for disaster. But controlling schedules tends to make you an employer.


Agreed X 3.

The money is a pretty damn good incentive to promote showing up early, working "off" nights... etc.

Or... it might be that I just frequent the clubs where the girls aren't crazy and club management treats them with respect and dignity.

/If I say it enough times, I'll start believing it.
 
2012-12-22 04:56:54 PM

DownDaRiver: The Stealth Hippopotamus:

You don't get out much do you?
That's not a stripper. That's a housewife doing the fitness craze of pole conditioning.
Big differfence!


My picture is better than your picture.
 
2012-12-22 04:57:05 PM
Buncha sharp knees motherfarkers here today. You've taken home worse from the bar if you could get it, and so have I. I've even seen uglier chicks working as strippers. Hell, there are uglier chicks on your movie screens who have been carefully made-up and lit to look better than they do in real life. Facial bones might be slightly heavier than you would like, but there's no visible adams apple, and the features are regular and reasonably symmetrical. Neither bad acne nor scarring therefrom appear to be present. Seems to have all her teeth, and they aren't green. Height and weight look to be proportional. What more do you want?
 
2012-12-22 05:05:47 PM
 
2012-12-22 05:12:39 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Snort: Wow, what a crappy place to work. Fees and penalties for missing songs. Pimps seem to have fairer rules.

"She said she would earn up to £1,265 a night..."

Yes... terrible place indeed.


And nickled and dimed away in fees and penalties. Like working/banking at Bank of America.
 
2012-12-22 05:16:46 PM
I may have missed this above, but THAT'S A MAN, BABY!
Not that I know very many transexuals, but being from New Orleans, I recognize that this is certainly one. So all of those yowza comments above are from man-lovers, no?

NTTAWWT
 
2012-12-22 05:18:49 PM

redsquid: Generation_D: I'm not so sure I'd finger her pipes.  British hot trap.

The club is called 'Stringfellows'.
NTTAWWT


The hell you talking about? There's everything wrong with that.
 
2012-12-22 05:23:17 PM
Remin me to shed a tear for strip club owners, patrons and workers, all of whom think they're degrading and taking advantage of each other for a dollar. As it turns out, they're all correct.
 
2012-12-22 05:27:18 PM

chitownmike: I've been to clubs all over WI, IL, MI, MO, IN, OH, KY, WV and VA (lots of work travel) and I have never heard of "dancer dollars"


Just guessing here, but slipping a single is one thing, also one pound notes are rare and slipping a fiver makes you think two or three times before doing it.  Same in Canada, the lowest bill is a $5, it's at least five times harder to part with than a single.
 
2012-12-22 05:30:26 PM

studebaker hoch: At least he didn't compare her to a bycicle.


It's been a while, but as I recall, that analogy wouldn't work, clubs really frown on the patrons trying to ride the peelers.
 
2012-12-22 05:41:00 PM

mikefinch: So wait -- The club wouldnt let people toss money at the ladies? They had to buy vouchers and toss the vouchers up and then the club would reimburse the dancer for the vouchers she collected?

Is this normal for strip clubs? Seems like its a bit sinister. Why do they need a middle man?


I've never seen that but it's been like over 24 hours since I've been in a strip club so things may have changed.
 
2012-12-22 05:42:52 PM

WhippingBoy: drjekel_mrhyde: She looks good for a Brit

[simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com image 630x473]
(hot [the picture, not the Brit])

"Straight from the streets of Sussex, she is!"


"Freshen up your drink, guv'nah?!?!"
 
2012-12-22 05:54:01 PM
You guys have no respect for the struggles of working women.
 
2012-12-22 05:54:18 PM

mikefinch: So wait -- The club wouldnt let people toss money at the ladies? They had to buy vouchers and toss the vouchers up and then the club would reimburse the dancer for the vouchers she collected?

Is this normal for strip clubs? Seems like its a bit sinister. Why do they need a middle man?


That's not at all common for strip clubs.  However it is exactly how websites collect money for women who take off their clothes on webcams.  Customers pay a site for "tokens", they tip those tokens to the girls on their individual cam webpages, and at the end of the month the perv that owns the site cuts the girl a check for somewhere between 25% and 50% of the dollar value of the tokens they earned.  It's a scam.
 
2012-12-22 06:07:23 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: MarkEC: rev. dave: The disturbing part of this is that the UK and the US as far as I know are both making more employees into contractors in order to avoid rights guaranteed to employees. I do not know much about the UK but in the US is so companies do not face as many costs and liabilities. Employers are paying politicians here to get away with as much as possible, in the UK I assume the same sort of issues.

/ I know that it is more about the stripper's lack of appeal to most of you than the rights of employees so sorry.

In the US, to be considered a subcontractor, you must be available for jobs elsewhere not just one place. If a club told all the girls that work there they can't dance at other clubs, then the girls would be considered employees. As a subcontractor you have to pay your own taxes including the extra social security that an employer usually pays, so there's no ambiguity as to being an employee or subcontractor.

It's not that simple... and there is certainly ambiguity.

The IRS has a set of 20 or 30 "tests" to determine this and it's wall to wall "could"s, "might"s and "probably"s.


200 to 300 maybe...last I checked the IRS was still a bureaucracy and they at least that many strippers...not that I would know....
 
2012-12-22 06:44:49 PM

forgotmydamnusername: Buncha sharp knees motherfarkers here today. You've taken home worse from the bar if you could get it, and so have I. I've even seen uglier chicks working as strippers. Hell, there are uglier chicks on your movie screens who have been carefully made-up and lit to look better than they do in real life. Facial bones might be slightly heavier than you would like, but there's no visible adams apple, and the features are regular and reasonably symmetrical. Neither bad acne nor scarring therefrom appear to be present. Seems to have all her teeth, and they aren't green. Height and weight look to be proportional. What more do you want?


I have never taken anyone home from a bar, nor would I ever do so.
 
2012-12-22 07:03:19 PM

Banned on the Run: drjekel_mrhyde: She's okay [i.imgur.com image 468x240]

Yes, but what kind of yellowed, leaning, dilapidated picket fence for teeth is she consciously covering with those lips


This coming from a dude who loves to post a lot of fugly skanks. Yo, this one is prettier than a lot of the garbage you love to post.
 
2012-12-22 07:05:34 PM
I'd do her.
 
2012-12-22 07:30:37 PM

Ima4nic8or: I'd do her him.


FTFY

Enjoy.
 
2012-12-22 07:32:33 PM

HotWingAgenda: However it is exactly how websites collect money for women who take off their clothes on webcams. (snip) It's a scam.


Especially since i seem to be watching most of those for free.
 
2012-12-22 08:11:57 PM

Loren: forgotmydamnusername: Buncha sharp knees motherfarkers here today. You've taken home worse from the bar if you could get it, and so have I. I've even seen uglier chicks working as strippers. Hell, there are uglier chicks on your movie screens who have been carefully made-up and lit to look better than they do in real life. Facial bones might be slightly heavier than you would like, but there's no visible adams apple, and the features are regular and reasonably symmetrical. Neither bad acne nor scarring therefrom appear to be present. Seems to have all her teeth, and they aren't green. Height and weight look to be proportional. What more do you want?

I have never taken anyone home from a bar, nor would I ever do so.


OK, Princess.
 
2012-12-22 08:28:24 PM
cdn.10dailythings.com
 
2012-12-22 09:45:43 PM

forgotmydamnusername: Loren: forgotmydamnusername: Buncha sharp knees motherfarkers here today. You've taken home worse from the bar if you could get it, and so have I. I've even seen uglier chicks working as strippers. Hell, there are uglier chicks on your movie screens who have been carefully made-up and lit to look better than they do in real life. Facial bones might be slightly heavier than you would like, but there's no visible adams apple, and the features are regular and reasonably symmetrical. Neither bad acne nor scarring therefrom appear to be present. Seems to have all her teeth, and they aren't green. Height and weight look to be proportional. What more do you want?

I have never taken anyone home from a bar, nor would I ever do so.

OK, Princess.


Princess? I'm male! It's not my fault my name has gotten hijacked to be female-only these days, it wasn't when I was born.

I'm not interested in sex that casual.
 
2012-12-22 10:01:49 PM

Loren: forgotmydamnusername: Loren: forgotmydamnusername: Buncha sharp knees motherfarkers here today. You've taken home worse from the bar if you could get it, and so have I. I've even seen uglier chicks working as strippers. Hell, there are uglier chicks on your movie screens who have been carefully made-up and lit to look better than they do in real life. Facial bones might be slightly heavier than you would like, but there's no visible adams apple, and the features are regular and reasonably symmetrical. Neither bad acne nor scarring therefrom appear to be present. Seems to have all her teeth, and they aren't green. Height and weight look to be proportional. What more do you want?

I have never taken anyone home from a bar, nor would I ever do so.

OK, Princess.

Princess? I'm male! It's not my fault my name has gotten hijacked to be female-only these days, it wasn't when I was born.

I'm not interested in sex that casual.


The quality of the response just struck me as prissy. Never say never. I know one or two people who brought someone back from the bar and eventually ended up married to them. Personally, I always call them back in a day or two, FWIW.
 
2012-12-22 10:44:01 PM

forgotmydamnusername: I'm not interested in sex that casual.

The quality of the response just struck me as prissy. Never say never. I know one or two people who brought someone back from the bar and eventually ended up married to them. Personally, I always call them back in a day or two, FWIW.


I'm not saying a bar pickup can't be the start of something. It's just that I'm not going to start a relationship out in bed like that. If I don't at least like the person I'm not interested in a roll in the hay.

I'm not being a prude about this, if others want to it that's their business. It's just not for me.
 
2012-12-22 11:19:03 PM

Loren: forgotmydamnusername: I'm not interested in sex that casual.

The quality of the response just struck me as prissy. Never say never. I know one or two people who brought someone back from the bar and eventually ended up married to them. Personally, I always call them back in a day or two, FWIW.

I'm not saying a bar pickup can't be the start of something. It's just that I'm not going to start a relationship out in bed like that. If I don't at least like the person I'm not interested in a roll in the hay.

I'm not being a prude about this, if others want to it that's their business. It's just not for me.


The ones who fark on the first date usually don't cause you any more headaches than the ones who make you wait around and jump through hoops. You should be able to figure out if you can have a conversation or not in an hour or two. You may not divine all their character defects or irritating habits, but you probably know very little about that stuff after several formally arranged dates, either.
 
2012-12-23 09:13:29 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: She's okay [i.imgur.com image 468x240]


A tight-lipped smile.  Suggests she belongs in the British Book of Smiles.
 
2012-12-23 10:47:19 AM

Loren: forgotmydamnusername: I'm not interested in sex that casual.

The quality of the response just struck me as prissy. Never say never. I know one or two people who brought someone back from the bar and eventually ended up married to them. Personally, I always call them back in a day or two, FWIW.

I'm not saying a bar pickup can't be the start of something. It's just that I'm not going to start a relationship out in bed like that. If I don't at least like the person I'm not interested in a roll in the hay.

I'm not being a prude about this, if others want to it that's their business. It's just not for me.


Loren, I admire and respect how you feel. At this point in my life, mid-40s (female), I now feel that way too. It works for me and I'm pretty content, overall.
 
2012-12-23 03:26:46 PM

unfarkingbelievable: I'm not being a prude about this, if others want to it that's their business. It's just not for me.

Loren, I admire and respect how you feel. At this point in my life, mid-40s (female), I now feel that way too. It works for me and I'm pretty content, overall.


It's always how I've felt.
 
2012-12-23 03:43:19 PM

Loren: unfarkingbelievable: I'm not being a prude about this, if others want to it that's their business. It's just not for me.

Loren, I admire and respect how you feel. At this point in my life, mid-40s (female), I now feel that way too. It works for me and I'm pretty content, overall.

It's always how I've felt.


Let's talk about our menstrual cycles!
 
2012-12-23 04:45:26 PM
Looks like a young Heidi Fleiss.
 
2012-12-23 05:53:56 PM

Loren: unfarkingbelievable: I'm not being a prude about this, if others want to it that's their business. It's just not for me.

Loren, I admire and respect how you feel. At this point in my life, mid-40s (female), I now feel that way too. It works for me and I'm pretty content, overall.

It's always how I've felt.


I'm that way too. Sure, like most people who are attracted to women, I appreciate looking at the more delectable ones, but when it comes to actually having sex with someone, I want to know more about them than their first name and what music they like to listen to.
 
2012-12-24 12:57:43 AM

tetsoushima: It's always how I've felt.

Let's talk about our menstrual cycles!


Did you miss where I identified myself as male? My name has been hijacked, that used to be the male spelling.

Teufelaffe: I'm that way too. Sure, like most people who are attracted to women, I appreciate looking at the more delectable ones, but when it comes to actually having sex with someone, I want to know more about them than their first name and what music they like to listen to.


Yeah, I enjoy looking but I've never felt sexual desire for someone I didn't know as a person. If I know them and don't like what they are the body does nothing for me. The first time I saw a naked woman in person (*NOT* in a sexual situation) my thought was "I wish she was as nice on the inside as the outside."

The people we know that choose partners based on looks rather than compatibility are almost all basically failures in the long term relationship department--while we are coming up on the quarter-century mark.
 
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