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2012-12-21 02:16:31 PM
3. "C'MON ELEVEN!"
 
2012-12-21 02:23:57 PM
"Authorities say the trio released gas into the house by opening or removing the regulator valve on the home's gas fireplace. Marion County Prosecutor Terry Curry said a microwave oven set on a timer was used to ignite the gas.

Curry said they also tried and failed to blow up the house the weekend before the explosion."

Not an accident
 
2012-12-21 02:25:41 PM
There's not really a #3 there. That's how the felony-murder rule works.
 
2012-12-21 02:26:15 PM

hbk72777: "Authorities say the trio released gas into the house by opening or removing the regulator valve on the home's gas fireplace. Marion County Prosecutor Terry Curry said a microwave oven set on a timer was used to ignite the gas.

Curry said they also tried and failed to blow up the house the weekend before the explosion."

Not an accident


I sincerely doubt it's an accident, but you are quoting the prosecution.  the like to tell stories.  it would be nice if the prosecutor or reporter would have included the bases for the theory of the previous attempt.  all I got was that a white van was parked near the house a week earlier.
 
2012-12-21 02:30:04 PM
Robert Leonard sees what they did there. Yikes.
 
2012-12-21 02:30:58 PM
"Everybody's pointing a finger at me like I did something wrong," she told reporters last month during an interview at Cable's office. "I mean, I'm totally devastated like my neighbors are."

She sobbed during the interview, but she didn't shed a tear. Shirley said made a point after the interview to say that her tear ducts didn't work.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

From the ABC News article:
They "asked that person various questions regarding gas, including the differences between propane and natural gas, the role of a regulator in a house and controlling the flow of natural gas and how much gas it would require to fill a house," he said.

Case closed. Fry 'em.
 
2012-12-21 02:31:07 PM

Uzzah: There's not really a #3 there. That's how the felony-murder rule works.


Generally speaking murder requires intent to kill. 1st usually requires pre planning. This is more of a manslaughter crime
 
2012-12-21 02:33:45 PM
Curry said Robert Leonard took personal items, including photographs and financial documents, out of the house prior to the explosion.

They always get caught because they couldn't leave shiat behind.

Leave the farking pictures, you are about to get paid.
 
2012-12-21 02:34:16 PM

Warlordtrooper: Uzzah: There's not really a #3 there. That's how the felony-murder rule works.

Generally speaking murder requires intent to kill. 1st usually requires pre planning. This is more of a manslaughter crime


That's not how felony murder works though. Felony murder statutes usually say something along the lines of "if somebody gets killed while you're dumb ass is committing a felony, you're on the hook for murder"

My favorite applications are when two guys go into a liquor store to rob it, clerk shoots and kills one, and the other gets charged with Felony Murder. Win Win.
 
2012-12-21 02:36:16 PM
Curry said Shirley had recently increased the insurance coverage on her house to $300,000.

Wow - $300,000, split 3 ways. You could live like a king for over a week on that kind of money.
 
2012-12-21 02:37:10 PM

ruta: Robert Leonard sees what they did there. Yikes.


I thought it was Jerry Springer at first and thought, wow, he's really not aged well at all.
 
2012-12-21 02:37:42 PM

buzzcut73: Warlordtrooper: Uzzah: There's not really a #3 there. That's how the felony-murder rule works.

Generally speaking murder requires intent to kill. 1st usually requires pre planning. This is more of a manslaughter crime

That's not how felony murder works though. Felony murder statutes usually say something along the lines of "if somebody gets killed while you're dumb ass is committing a felony, you're on the hook for murder"

My favorite applications are when two guys go into a liquor store to rob it, clerk shoots and kills one, and the other gets charged with Felony Murder. Win Win.


Yep.
 
2012-12-21 02:39:08 PM

buzzcut73: Warlordtrooper: Uzzah: There's not really a #3 there. That's how the felony-murder rule works.

Generally speaking murder requires intent to kill. 1st usually requires pre planning. This is more of a manslaughter crime

That's not how felony murder works though. Felony murder statutes usually say something along the lines of "if somebody gets killed while you're dumb ass is committing a felony, you're on the hook for murder"

My favorite applications are when two guys go into a liquor store to rob it, clerk shoots and kills one, and the other gets charged with Felony Murder. Win Win.


Not only is that illogical but the law is redundant. Killing someone is already illegal. No need to make it double illegal there is no point
 
2012-12-21 02:40:40 PM
True story. I live less than half a mile from there.

Slept right through it.
 
2012-12-21 02:41:10 PM

Warlordtrooper: Uzzah: There's not really a #3 there. That's how the felony-murder rule works.

Generally speaking murder requires intent to kill. 1st usually requires pre planning. This is more of a manslaughter crime


That's what I was thinking. Felony murder charges usually don't carry the option for the death penalty because of the lack of intent. At first I had figured they would avoid death row.

But then I

Tison v. Arizona, 481 U.S. 137 (1987), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court qualified the rule it set forth in Enmund v. Florida. Just as in Enmund, the Tison Court applied the proportionality principle to conclude that the death penalty was an appropriate punishment for a felony murderer who was a major participant in the underlying felony and exhibited a reckless indifference to human life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tison_v._Arizona
 
2012-12-21 02:41:34 PM
But, but, but, a natural gas explosion could never have caused that much damage - said every third Farker when this initially occurred.

/Yes, gas explosions can take down whole neighborhoods. It's happened before, will happen again.
 
2012-12-21 02:42:27 PM
Just stick them in a microwave until they are done
 
2012-12-21 02:44:24 PM

Warlordtrooper:
Not only is that illogical but the law is redundant. Killing someone is already illegal. No need to make it double illegal there is no point


It's perfectly logical, especially in the case of our liquor store friends in my example of why the felony murder rule is there. If not for that, the second robber would only be charged with attempted robbery, since he didn't kill the guy, the store owner did.

It also works if, say, neither robber is shot, but a bystander is killed accidentally. Or you blow up a house and happen to take out the neighbors. Involuntary manslaughter would be way too little of a penalty for engaging in those types of activities and getting somebody killed.
 
2012-12-21 02:45:37 PM

Warlordtrooper: Generally speaking murder requires intent to kill. 1st usually requires pre planning. This is more of a manslaughter crime


I thought that killing someone while committing a felony, whether the killing was part of the plan or not, resulted in a murder charge.
 
2012-12-21 02:46:45 PM

RandomRandom: But, but, but, a natural gas explosion could never have caused that much damage - said every third Farker when this initially occurred.

/Yes, gas explosions can take down whole neighborhoods. It's happened before, will happen again.


My friends house exploded during a flood. If it wasn't bad enough that his basement filled with water about 5 feet, as it did, it floated one of the gas appliances off, causing a gas leak that exploded when something shorted and *LEVELED* his house.

/ Keeps a wrench next to the gas shutoff in my home.
// Everybody in the house knows how to use it.
 
2012-12-21 02:47:11 PM
 
2012-12-21 02:47:18 PM
someone should find the person/s that gave this home buyer the loan. this level of stupid rarely gets a good paying job. hell of a lot of people got Pied Piper'd into debt way beyond their means in the USA. these jackasses were incredibly stupid. i have no doubt a lot of houses went poof in the past few years due to desperation, debt & foreclosure. shiatheads who wrote up all that bad paper made their money and walked away (thanks Mr.Bush!) while the rest of us suffer for it - as usual.
 
2012-12-21 02:50:25 PM

RandomRandom: But, but, but, a natural gas explosion could never have caused that much damage - said every third Farker when this initially occurred.

/Yes, gas explosions can take down whole neighborhoods. It's happened before, will happen again.


That was my first thought as well. Dozens of them, all absolutely certain such a thing COULD NOT HAPPEN. Where'd they go?
 
2012-12-21 02:51:49 PM
Send them to the gas chamber.
 
2012-12-21 02:52:45 PM

Gecko Gingrich: I thought that killing someone while committing a felony, whether the killing was part of the plan or not, resulted in a murder charge.


Just because it wasn't part of the initial plan does not mean it wasn't an intentional act at the time it was done.
 
2012-12-21 02:54:29 PM
I live close to there too. I have a friend that lives in that neighborhood who had their home leveled because of these dooshbags! The details of the couples death are horrific! ROT IN HELL MOTHERFARKERS!! ROT IN MOTHER FARKIN HELL YOU MONEY GRUBBIN A@@ HOLES.

/ The chair is not good enough for these morons!
 
2012-12-21 02:56:21 PM
I met a moran who blew himself up trying to blow his house up. He turned the gas on and he and his wife took off for the weekend. Four days later, nothing. What to do? He opens front door and booom. He bragged about how he not only got his insurance money, but the gas company had to settle with him as well. Good job there, buddy. Looked in a mirror lately? He looked like something out of Spawn.
 
2012-12-21 02:57:10 PM

alahop: I live close to there too. I have a friend that lives in that neighborhood who had their home leveled because of these dooshbags! The details of the couples death are horrific! ROT IN HELL MOTHERFARKERS!! ROT IN MOTHER FARKIN HELL YOU MONEY GRUBBIN A@@ HOLES.

/ The chair is not good enough for these morons!


Really? Not to sidetrack here but I assumed from the pictures of the neighborhood that the dead couple were dead from blunt force trauma before they knew what hit them.
 
2012-12-21 02:57:13 PM
This plan was bound to blow up in their face.
 
2012-12-21 02:57:17 PM
I thought that killing someone while committing a felony, whether the killing was part of the plan or not, resulted in a murder charge.

There is a big difference between "killing someone" and "someone gets killed." Another standard example: guy robs a bank and police give chase. In the process, cop car strikes and kills a pedestrian. Bank robber is charged with felony murder. No intent to kill. Didn't kill. Got someone killed doing something stupid.

Looks like under Indiana law, if you do something stupid and get more than one person killed, you qualify for death row. Seems like this could come up pretty regularly in a state full of Hoosiers.
 
2012-12-21 02:57:49 PM

Warlordtrooper: Uzzah: There's not really a #3 there. That's how the felony-murder rule works.

Generally speaking murder requires intent to kill. 1st usually requires pre planning. This is more of a manslaughter crime


Manslaughter is what the drunk, on-duty police officer gets for mowing down a family.
 
2012-12-21 02:58:20 PM
So if your house is off the foundation  .  .  .  How do you get it fixed, or replaced?  YOUR home owners?  Not bloody likely eh?

Good Farkin' luck folks - *jeeze*

Not about the senseless loss of life - can't deal with that.  And there's no helping that now.
 
2012-12-21 02:59:02 PM
Looks like their debt problems are permanently solved, and they won't have to worry about making a living anymore....

/ mission accomplished
 
2012-12-21 02:59:18 PM
"We are here today to discuss a thoroughly, thoroughly senseless act which resulted in the death of two young adults in the prime of their life," Marion County Prosecutor Terry Curry said


Senseless, you say? What part of $300k did you not understand?
 
2012-12-21 03:00:17 PM

YippeeYay: I thought that killing someone while committing a felony, whether the killing was part of the plan or not, resulted in a murder charge.

There is a big difference between "killing someone" and "someone gets killed." Another standard example: guy robs a bank and police give chase. In the process, cop car strikes and kills a pedestrian. Bank robber is charged with felony murder. No intent to kill. Didn't kill. Got someone killed doing something stupid.

Looks like under Indiana law, if you do something stupid and get more than one person killed, you qualify for death row. Seems like this could come up pretty regularly in a state full of Hoosiers Boilermakers.


FIFY
 
2012-12-21 03:00:41 PM
what morons. they emptied the house before and moved the boat that was just sitting there for years.
 
2012-12-21 03:01:39 PM

sporkme: Warlordtrooper: Uzzah: There's not really a #3 there. That's how the felony-murder rule works.

Generally speaking murder requires intent to kill. 1st usually requires pre planning. This is more of a manslaughter crime

That's what I was thinking. Felony murder charges usually don't carry the option for the death penalty because of the lack of intent. At first I had figured they would avoid death row.

But then I

Tison v. Arizona, 481 U.S. 137 (1987), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court qualified the rule it set forth in Enmund v. Florida. Just as in Enmund, the Tison Court applied the proportionality principle to conclude that the death penalty was an appropriate punishment for a felony murderer who was a major participant in the underlying felony and exhibited a reckless indifference to human life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tison_v._Arizona


I don't know the specifics for Indiana law, but as I understand it, arson at night is often considered a very serious thing, indeed; that might warrant enhancing the charges and potential punishment.
 
2012-12-21 03:04:28 PM

notatrollorami: alahop: I live close to there too. I have a friend that lives in that neighborhood who had their home leveled because of these dooshbags! The details of the couples death are horrific! ROT IN HELL MOTHERFARKERS!! ROT IN MOTHER FARKIN HELL YOU MONEY GRUBBIN A@@ HOLES.

/ The chair is not good enough for these morons!

Really? Not to sidetrack here but I assumed from the pictures of the neighborhood that the dead couple were dead from blunt force trauma before they knew what hit them.


I can't link right now but I'm almost positive they were alive when the firemen got there. I think the husband was in the basement and the wife was upstairs when the house collapsed. I think they burned to death. Does someone have the article handy?
 
2012-12-21 03:04:50 PM
Curry said Robert Leonard took personal items, including photographs and financial documents, out of the house prior to the explosion.

Gets 'em every single time. I know of a guy who burned down his fourplex apartment house (nobody got killed, thank God) and was sitting in his car which was STUFFED with his personal effects when the fire trucks got there. The police didn't even have to break a sweat.
 
2012-12-21 03:13:34 PM
Board the cat twice, no one will notice.
 
2012-12-21 03:16:06 PM
1. Insurance fraud, 2. accidentally kill 2 and destroy numerous houses, 3. ????, 4. Felony murder

Eh, it's been done before.

lparchive.org
 
2012-12-21 03:16:54 PM

BalugaJoe: what morons. they emptied the house before and moved the boat that was just sitting there for years.


Doing that type of stuff always get people caught. Leave the shiat and claim it on insurance, or buy a new one.

It reminds me of the story a friend of mine told me about why his uncle went to jail. His uncle decided to burn down his house for the insurance money, but before he did it he moved all of his stereo equipment and TV stuff into the garage with some of his more expensive suits and jewelery. Somehow the police or whoever was inspecting the fire got a peak at what was in the garage, and this is what everybody in his family thinks made them look deeper into the cause of the fire.
 
2012-12-21 03:16:55 PM

BalugaJoe: what morons. they emptied the house before and moved the boat that was just sitting there for years.


And, if you're that badly in debt, what the fark are you doing with a damn boat, anyway?

Boat (n.): a hole in the water that you shovel money into.
 
2012-12-21 03:17:37 PM
About the time you blew up the block, you should have accepted the next step was heading for a non extraditing country and finding work.
 
2012-12-21 03:20:31 PM
Nice work to the Fark Internet Detectives who called this one as soon as the story broke.

What a shame those people had to die.
 
2012-12-21 03:23:12 PM
Alcona Drive homeowner, Tony Quakenbush, 35, was among those whose homes were condemned after the blast.

I think I know his brother, the horse doctor,,,
 
2012-12-21 03:29:31 PM

hbk72777: "Authorities say the trio released gas into the house by opening or removing the regulator valve on the home's gas fireplace. Marion County Prosecutor Terry Curry said a microwave oven set on a timer was used to ignite the gas.

Curry said they also tried and failed to blow up the house the weekend before the explosion."

Not an accident


Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman unavailable for comment.

/Flip, flip, flip, flip, pant, pant.... meow.
 
2012-12-21 03:31:19 PM

Sliding Carp: sporkme: Warlordtrooper: Uzzah: There's not really a #3 there. That's how the felony-murder rule works.

Generally speaking murder requires intent to kill. 1st usually requires pre planning. This is more of a manslaughter crime

That's what I was thinking. Felony murder charges usually don't carry the option for the death penalty because of the lack of intent. At first I had figured they would avoid death row.

But then I

Tison v. Arizona, 481 U.S. 137 (1987), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court qualified the rule it set forth in Enmund v. Florida. Just as in Enmund, the Tison Court applied the proportionality principle to conclude that the death penalty was an appropriate punishment for a felony murderer who was a major participant in the underlying felony and exhibited a reckless indifference to human life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tison_v._Arizona

I don't know the specifics for Indiana law, but as I understand it, arson at night is often considered a very serious thing, indeed; that might warrant enhancing the charges and potential punishment.


To impose the death penalty, there has to be "special circumstances", which include multiple victims and arson. Subject to the Indiana death penalty statute, they can get the death penalty.
 
2012-12-21 03:32:08 PM
spend 1k and buy a new stove and refrigerator completely different in size from what you have now and start remodeling the kitchen. hook things up wrong and you have your explosion. i really think these 3 are scum for doing this.
 
2012-12-21 03:33:52 PM

notatrollorami: RandomRandom: But, but, but, a natural gas explosion could never have caused that much damage - said every third Farker when this initially occurred.

/Yes, gas explosions can take down whole neighborhoods. It's happened before, will happen again.

That was my first thought as well. Dozens of them, all absolutely certain such a thing COULD NOT HAPPEN. Where'd they go?



I couldn't find the original thread (I didn't try very hard) but I found the first followup thread.


Jeebus Saves: I knew it was fishy. Accidental gas leak explosions just do not explode with that kind of ferocity.

The owner has been making vague statements about the furnace, but there are lots of problems with that.

My guess - not the furnace. They sealed the place up tight so no gas would escape and then opened a large gas fitting (dryer etc) to fill it up.


Mythbusters did this. It wont work like that. First, you need oxygen. Second, they couldn't get an explosion even close to the size of this.
 
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