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(BBC)   UN peacekeeping helicopter shot down over South Sudan prompts UN to tap into strategic stern letter reserve   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 35
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2012-12-21 04:14:42 PM
Oh it was a Russian one. Good job South Sudan. Better start investing in polonium detectors.
 
2012-12-21 04:16:43 PM
Peacekeeping Helicopter is the name of my Europe cover band.
 
2012-12-21 04:18:03 PM
If they only had a gun or something.
 
2012-12-21 04:19:24 PM
Get the... comfy chair!
 
2012-12-21 04:19:54 PM
Peace is very unpopular in that region it seems.
 
2012-12-21 04:20:43 PM
Sounds like a communication problem since South Sudan and the UN are on the same side. Someone in the South Sudanese Army probably thought it was rebel helicopter. Armed conflict is usually messy.
 
2012-12-21 04:21:54 PM
How does a poor as dirt rebel force have the firepower necessary to shoot down a mlitary chopper?
Lucky shot with a RPG?
 
2012-12-21 04:21:57 PM

Grapple: Get the... comfy chair!


Whose comfy chair?
 
2012-12-21 04:22:51 PM
Don't care.

Maybe they should try not being helicopter world police?

/unless of course it's one of them Somalis
//gotta love black hawk down
/not rly
 
2012-12-21 04:24:34 PM

ha-ha-guy: Oh it was a Russian one. Good job South Sudan. Better start investing in polonium detectors.


Yeah. Putin doesn't fark around.
 
2012-12-21 04:27:22 PM
Russia is to busy trying to hold together whats left of Syria to worry about a copter tagged with UN.
 
2012-12-21 04:27:33 PM

durbnpoisn: How does a poor as dirt rebel force have the firepower necessary to shoot down a mlitary chopper?
Lucky shot with a RPG?


TFA says it was hit by an "artillery unit". Not sure what a Sudanese artillery unit is composed of, but I would imagine it's some relatively outdated AA that opened fire on an unaware, relatively stationary target.

BTW, GIS for "South Sudan Army" returns this.

www.theepochtimes.com
Looks like a Russian type-56 AA piece.
 
2012-12-21 04:30:28 PM

durbnpoisn: How does a poor as dirt rebel force have the firepower necessary to shoot down a mlitary chopper?
Lucky shot with a RPG?


CIA false-flag usually tops the list of options.

Of course, the FBI supplied the bomb that blew-up the WTC basement back in the '90s. But I'm assuming they primarily operate domestically.

After all, it's not like world wars just start themselves...
 
2012-12-21 04:31:51 PM
Quality headline sunny. Kudos
 
2012-12-21 04:37:41 PM

FTGodWin: durbnpoisn: How does a poor as dirt rebel force have the firepower necessary to shoot down a mlitary chopper?
Lucky shot with a RPG?

CIA false-flag usually tops the list of options.

Of course, the FBI supplied the bomb that blew-up the WTC basement back in the '90s. But I'm assuming they primarily operate domestically.

After all, it's not like world wars just start themselves...


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2012-12-21 04:44:53 PM
Better get Hans Brix in there, stat.

www.rightwingnews.com
 
2012-12-21 05:03:16 PM

EngineerAU: Sounds like a communication problem since South Sudan and the UN are on the same side. Someone in the South Sudanese Army probably thought it was rebel helicopter. Armed conflict is usually messy.


My husband spent a year down there with the UN. It wasn't a communication problem that downed that helicopter. The SPLA had this game they liked to play where they'd shoot at clearly marked UN vehicles (of all sorts) and then play it off like "oh, we didn't know it was you". It's disturbing to hear that they're decided to play it again. Things have been deteriorating since my husband was there and I'm grateful beyond words that he came home in one piece and not in a black zippered bag.
 
2012-12-21 05:09:06 PM

ManifestDestiny: EngineerAU: Sounds like a communication problem since South Sudan and the UN are on the same side. Someone in the South Sudanese Army probably thought it was rebel helicopter. Armed conflict is usually messy.

My husband spent a year down there with the UN. It wasn't a communication problem that downed that helicopter. The SPLA had this game they liked to play where they'd shoot at clearly marked UN vehicles (of all sorts) and then play it off like "oh, we didn't know it was you". It's disturbing to hear that they're decided to play it again. Things have been deteriorating since my husband was there and I'm grateful beyond words that he came home in one piece and not in a black zippered bag.


The UN needs to stop being pussies with that attitude of "we can't shoot at them because it wouldn't be nice".  Fark 'em.  You shoot at us, we shoot at you and we have a hell of a lot more firepower.
 
2012-12-21 05:12:55 PM
Thus begins the alpacalypse.

/the Oreos were right.
 
2012-12-21 05:13:14 PM
Well, wouldn't you try and shoot down a helicopter that was delivering AIDES to your people?
 
Slu
2012-12-21 05:56:44 PM
Great headline.
 
2012-12-21 07:10:54 PM

cgraves67: Grapple: Get the... comfy chair!

Whose comfy chair?


Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition
 
2012-12-21 07:14:03 PM

ManifestDestiny: EngineerAU: Sounds like a communication problem since South Sudan and the UN are on the same side. Someone in the South Sudanese Army probably thought it was rebel helicopter. Armed conflict is usually messy.

My husband spent a year down there with the UN. It wasn't a communication problem that downed that helicopter. The SPLA had this game they liked to play where they'd shoot at clearly marked UN vehicles (of all sorts) and then play it off like "oh, we didn't know it was you". It's disturbing to hear that they're decided to play it again. Things have been deteriorating since my husband was there and I'm grateful beyond words that he came home in one piece and not in a black zippered bag.


What is the SPLA's motivation for shoot at the UN? The rebels certainly would shoot at the UN because they (the rebels) want to be rid of the current government. But why would the SPLA, whose country exists at least partially due to the efforts of the UN, want to attack the UN? Boredom? Pride? Rebels in the SPLA? I'm certainly not questioning the accuracy of your husband's experience... boots on the ground are much better at knowing what's going on locally than some random guy on Fark but it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
 
2012-12-21 08:14:51 PM
Bored. So damned bored manning this gun. Been here for months, doing nothing but oil and polish this piece, with no targets, no engagements; nothing to do. It's got so that we are practicing sight alignment on bugs. But once, this big-assed helo (Russian, I think) came blasting over the hills over there. All we know is that we don't have one of those monsters, so if it's coming our way, then it's our chance to be heroes and put into practice all of the skills we've been honing over the months. We line up, and shoot....
 
2012-12-21 08:40:43 PM
Mighty short thread.  Can't be about Israel and Palestine.
 
2012-12-21 09:53:08 PM
This wouldn't have happened if the helicopter was armed.
 
2012-12-21 09:57:47 PM
Reminds me of the killing of the polio workers killed in India recently.

Seems that ever since after the CIA/NSA etc. dirt bags ran a FALSE immunization program ...(trying to get the US puppet Osama)....
nobody trusts the "helpful" agencies anymore.

Cannot blame them for this action.

Way to go US....make a humanitarian program a farking trojan horse. Get non combatants killed. Continue the spread of a disease that is easily preventable. DIAF all you assholes.
 
xcv
2012-12-21 10:44:32 PM

EngineerAU: What is the SPLA's motivation for shoot at the UN? The rebels certainly would shoot at the UN because they (the rebels) want to be rid of the current government. But why would the SPLA, whose country exists at least partially due to the efforts of the UN, want to attack the UN? Boredom? Pride? Rebels in the SPLA? I'm certainly not questioning the accuracy of your husband's experience... boots on the ground are much better at knowing what's going on locally than some random guy on Fark but it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.


Shoot at the helicopter, whether it hits or misses the government can blame it on the rebels and demand more military aid.

SweetDickens: Reminds me of the killing of the polio workers killed in India recently.

Seems that ever since after the CIA/NSA etc. dirt bags ran a FALSE immunization program ...(trying to get the US puppet Osama)....
nobody trusts the "helpful" agencies anymore.

Cannot blame them for this action.

Way to go US....make a humanitarian program a farking trojan horse. Get non combatants killed. Continue the spread of a disease that is easily preventable. DIAF all you assholes.


1) It was Pakistan, not India.
2) This meme that polio vaccinations are a plot to sterilize Muslims is also found in Indonesia and Nigeria goes back years, long before Osama and is spread by local preachers.That's why polio still exists in those regions.
 
2012-12-21 11:38:23 PM
Just wait until they take over our schools. Then you won't be laughing.
 
2012-12-22 01:10:43 AM

SweetDickens: Reminds me of the killing of the polio workers killed in India recently.

Seems that ever since after the CIA/NSA etc. dirt bags ran a FALSE immunization program ...(trying to get the US puppet Osama)....
nobody trusts the "helpful" agencies anymore.

Cannot blame them for this action.

Way to go US....make a humanitarian program a farking trojan horse. Get non combatants killed. Continue the spread of a disease that is easily preventable. DIAF all you assholes.


Did they actually run one or was that just a story made up by the Islamists to discredit the US?

We do want polio gone, even if it was a cover mission they really would have vaccinated.
 
2012-12-22 01:14:45 AM
South Sudan is that peaceful Christian country that broke from Sudan.
 
2012-12-22 05:38:49 AM

EngineerAU: ManifestDestiny: EngineerAU: Sounds like a communication problem since South Sudan and the UN are on the same side. Someone in the South Sudanese Army probably thought it was rebel helicopter. Armed conflict is usually messy.

My husband spent a year down there with the UN. It wasn't a communication problem that downed that helicopter. The SPLA had this game they liked to play where they'd shoot at clearly marked UN vehicles (of all sorts) and then play it off like "oh, we didn't know it was you". It's disturbing to hear that they're decided to play it again. Things have been deteriorating since my husband was there and I'm grateful beyond words that he came home in one piece and not in a black zippered bag.

What is the SPLA's motivation for shoot at the UN? The rebels certainly would shoot at the UN because they (the rebels) want to be rid of the current government. But why would the SPLA, whose country exists at least partially due to the efforts of the UN, want to attack the UN? Boredom? Pride? Rebels in the SPLA? I'm certainly not questioning the accuracy of your husband's experience... boots on the ground are much better at knowing what's going on locally than some random guy on Fark but it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.


A very late reply on my part, but eh...why not. For starters, nothing down there makes any kind of sense at face value. Nothing. You have to devote some significant thought and observation before small currents of sensibility start appearing.

The SPLA is not an army in the western sense. It can only be described as a coalition of militia groups with shifting common goals and divided loyalties. One possibility is that the paperwork for the flight did not in fact arrive in time to the local SPLA unit. That DOES happen quite a bit as sneakernet is unreliable at the best of times down there for a multitude of reasons. The SPLA unit would full well know it was the UN overhead (those Russian choppers are blazing white with giant black lettering) but wanted to swing their dicks around because "hey, your paperwork isn't in order". It gives them the impression of control to shoot at the choppers (or cars, which are painted the same). It's kind of sad because that's one of the very few areas of their lives they can self-determine.

A failure to relay flight schedules may also have something to do with internal politics in South Sudan. For reasons of safety, since it's still an active area down there and this is public, I'm not going to get any more specific than that.

It's possible that the local SPLA unit was doing something they're not supposed to be doing and was attempting to scare off the helicopter from landing in order not to get busted. All you need is a lucky shot in a vulnerable area and the the chopper goes down.

The other, other option is that the SPLA gunners were drunk. However, the SPLA will protect its own and slap a cover story on the affair.
 
2012-12-22 08:54:47 AM
lame derp strongly worded letter UN meme is lame.
 
2012-12-22 09:45:07 AM

LarryDan43: Just wait until they take over our schools. Then you won't be laughing.


Been and done. Not laughing.
 
2012-12-22 11:07:30 AM

SweetDickens: Way to go US....make a humanitarian program a farking trojan horse. Get non combatants killed. Continue the spread of a disease that is easily preventable. DIAF all you assholes.


It's a GOOD thing when liberals do it, citizen. Now get back to erasing Abraham Lincoln's and Ronald Reagan's party affiliations. This historical narrative won't rewrite itself.

/you don't want minluv to pay you a visit, do you?
 
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