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(The Weather Channel)   It grows anywhere, under any conditions, and makes kudzu look tame by comparison. Let's plant whole fields of it--what's the worst that could happen?   (weather.com) divider line 210
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2012-12-21 12:03:33 PM  
Hmm, the page you're looking for can't be found.

I guess that's the worst.
 
2012-12-21 12:05:42 PM  

St_Francis_P: Hmm, the page you're looking for can't be found.

I guess that's the worst.


Worked for me just fine.
 
2012-12-21 12:14:41 PM  

Shadowknight: St_Francis_P: Hmm, the page you're looking for can't be found.

I guess that's the worst.

Worked for me just fine.


Yeah, it's back. Must have been an end-of-the-world induced glitch.
 
2012-12-21 12:19:04 PM  
Is Giant Reed a 'Miracle Plant' or the Next Kudzu?

i105.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-21 12:23:18 PM  

FloydA: Is Giant Reed a 'Miracle Plant' or the Next Kudzu?


It grows on the wild side..
 
2012-12-21 12:26:29 PM  
Like kudzu, which came to the United States as part of Japan's exhibit at the 1876 Centennial Exposition in Philadelphia, Arundo arrived here in the mid- to late 19th century

So.. THAT'S why there's so much farking kudzu around here.

Sorry everyone else. Our bad.
 
2012-12-21 12:34:41 PM  

markie_farkie: FloydA: Is Giant Reed a 'Miracle Plant' or the Next Kudzu?

It grows on the wild side..


Botanical note: Ilex aquifolium was originally cultivated in western Europe, and does not actually come from Miami, FLA.
 
2012-12-21 02:16:19 PM  
Biofuel: yet another method of extracting the carbon out of the Earth's crust and converting it into atmospheric CO2.
 
2012-12-21 02:22:41 PM  
whatever
not like we are short of fuel alternatives.
unless the solution is cheaper than what we are currently using, why do we continue to waste so much money on alternatives?

/yes I know, we have to plan for the future, blah blah blah
 
2012-12-21 02:23:50 PM  

make me some tea: Biofuel: yet another method of extracting the carbon out of the Earth's crust and converting it into atmospheric CO2.


except that you are wrong

plant take CO2 out of the air, get burned releasing that CO2.
little or no CO2 is taken up from the soil
it is effectively a closed cycle
 
2012-12-21 03:29:04 PM  
cps-static.rovicorp.com
 
2012-12-21 03:49:37 PM  
Officials in at least three states have banned the bamboo-like grass as a "noxious weed"

Noxious weed is an understatement, that shiat will take over as fast, if not faster, than invasive species of bamboo.

/it'll control those erosion spots though......
 
2012-12-21 04:01:23 PM  

make me some tea: Biofuel: yet another method of extracting the carbon out of the Earth's crust

atmosphere and converting it into atmospheric CO2.

Fixed that for you Einstein.
 
2012-12-21 04:16:40 PM  
I am gonna ebay some seeds
 
2012-12-21 04:28:20 PM  
I'm guessing that hemp wasn't considered as a viable alternative due to a large list of idiotic reasons?
 
2012-12-21 05:13:08 PM  
What's the worst that can happen?

How about we burn all our soil's fertility so we can power our homes for a few more decades before we starve?
 
2012-12-21 05:16:11 PM  

Recoil Therapy: I'm guessing that hemp wasn't considered as a viable alternative due to a large list of idiotic reasons?


Only one idiotic reason, actually.
 
2012-12-21 05:20:36 PM  

namatad: make me some tea: Biofuel: yet another method of extracting the carbon out of the Earth's crust and converting it into atmospheric CO2.

except that you are wrong

plant take CO2 out of the air, get burned releasing that CO2.
little or no CO2 is taken up from the soil
it is effectively a closed cycle


While the CO2 is essentially a closed loop, there are other problems, specifically related to soil fertility and biodiversity (similar to the problems we have with any monoculture crop).

My reaction to growing fuel is not the best. Agriculture already pollutes our waters (#1 polluter, isn't it?) pretty badly.

On second thought.... couldn't you pass effluent, like chicken farm runoff, through these fields, cleaning the water as well as fertilizing the crop?
 
2012-12-21 05:21:26 PM  
"rhizome"
 
2012-12-21 05:22:50 PM  
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050720/

I'm not saying it's aliens.

But it is.
 
2012-12-21 05:22:54 PM  
Why not use coal?
 
2012-12-21 05:23:54 PM  
OXFORD, N.C. ?
Chips on a cracker, we have enough Kudzu in N.C. we don't need this stuff also.
 
2012-12-21 05:24:35 PM  
Damn, I feel silly after reading a bit further into the article...
 
2012-12-21 05:25:01 PM  
Looks like bamboo, sorta.
 
2012-12-21 05:25:16 PM  
I had no idea we had that giant reed thingie in Cali, as I've never seen it. Blessed Vidar's Boot, can you imagine if it got into our marijuana plantations? That seems like it would not be a good thing. How ya gonna find the pot during harvest  if an  invasive species is that large and grows thick like that and it takes over? Would be, like, a total bummer, dudes.

/doesn't smoke pot, just knows people who do, and knows people who work the harvest
 
2012-12-21 05:25:26 PM  
namatad:
plant take CO2 out of the air, get burned releasing that CO2.
little or no CO2 is taken up from the soil
it is effectively a closed cycle


...except that's not really right. It's the "primary school version" of what actually happens. There's also a massive soil respiration cycle that - yes - releases more CO2 from the soil than humans make. Almost 15 times as much, according to some estimates.
 
2012-12-21 05:28:11 PM  

Sybarite: [cps-static.rovicorp.com image 600x400]


Came for mossy Stephen King, leaving satisfied.
 
2012-12-21 05:35:23 PM  
Want a plant for ethanol? Sugar beets.
 
2012-12-21 05:39:11 PM  
FTA:

""There's no market for kudzu," says Conlon, who is among those promoting a proposed $170 million, 20 million-gallon-a-year ethanol project here - and Arundo's role in it. "There's no reason to manage it. It was thrown out in the worst places you can think of and left there."

His message about Arundo: It'll be different this time. We can control it."

*facepalm*
 
2012-12-21 05:40:26 PM  
Can you hear the drums Arondo?
 
2012-12-21 05:40:27 PM  

meat0918: On second thought.... couldn't you pass effluent, like chicken farm runoff, through these fields, cleaning the water as well as fertilizing the crop?


Absolutely. You are correct sir. (I so wish you were, though). There are heavy metals in many cases, and stuff like PCBs that are still alarming issues - but if it's at least concentrated in a single area. In theory, we'd know not to eat anything from that ecosystem. Meh... I'm not holding out hope on those methods being implemented voluntarily by energy corporations because you know... profit could be hurt and that's of course the epitome of our mindset here in America, right?
 
2012-12-21 05:40:33 PM  

LargeCanine: Why not use coal?


Because Emperor Obama doesn't like coal. In 08 he promised to shut down the coal industry.
 
2012-12-21 05:41:45 PM  

markie_farkie: FloydA: Is Giant Reed a 'Miracle Plant' or the Next Kudzu?

It grows on the wild side..


..but only on a perfect day.
 
2012-12-21 05:42:05 PM  
I thought they were talking about the morning glory like vine that is all over my freakin' yard because my across-the-street neighbor thought it was pretty and put it up her trellis.

Hate that shiat.
 
2012-12-21 05:42:39 PM  

cirby: namatad:
plant take CO2 out of the air, get burned releasing that CO2.
little or no CO2 is taken up from the soil
it is effectively a closed cycle

...except that's not really right. It's the "primary school version" of what actually happens. There's also a massive soil respiration cycle that - yes - releases more CO2 from the soil than humans make. Almost 15 times as much, according to some estimates.


You know the issue with the co2 we make has much less to do with its amount relative to a natural cycle than the fact that it has no cycle and no balance, right?

Digging up arseloads of fossil fuels and burning them has had a dramatic effect on the ratio of gases in our atmosphere.

It doesn't matter if nature is stirring a hundred times what we let out of the ground every year; we are tipping the scale.

Kind of like how the extra calories needed to make person fat over twenty years is a tiny drop in the bucket compared to total calories consumed and burned.
 
Skr
2012-12-21 05:42:46 PM  
" It'll be different this time. We can control it."

Pretty much every bad syfy flick has a version of this quote in it. I find it hard to believe someone actually said this.
 
2012-12-21 05:44:08 PM  
I have dealt with that plant's smaller but still absurdly annoying cousin in my grandmother's backyard. Good luck if any of it gets onto your plot, it'll kill anything else near it. And yea, it's basically the weed version of bamboo. I could have built a nice shed out of the crap I cut down.
 
2012-12-21 05:44:19 PM  

cig-mkr: OXFORD, N.C. ?
Chips on a cracker, we have enough Kudzu in N.C. we don't need this stuff also.


Kudzu I can handle.

I'm going to go back in time, find out who introduced wisteria to the eastern U.S., and skullfark them with a plasma torch.
 
2012-12-21 05:45:01 PM  

rassleholic: markie_farkie: FloydA: Is Giant Reed a 'Miracle Plant' or the Next Kudzu?

It grows on the wild side..

..but only on a perfect day.


a rustle here, a rustle there... Bamboo City is the place where...
 
2012-12-21 05:46:05 PM  
Cut down the kudzu and use it for bio-fuel, win-win.
 
2012-12-21 05:46:53 PM  

Sybarite:


I love you for that.

Meteor shiat!
 
2012-12-21 05:50:31 PM  
Don't go into the long grass.
 
2012-12-21 05:50:46 PM  

meat0918: namatad: make me some tea: Biofuel: yet another method of extracting the carbon out of the Earth's crust and converting it into atmospheric CO2.

except that you are wrong

plant take CO2 out of the air, get burned releasing that CO2.
little or no CO2 is taken up from the soil
it is effectively a closed cycle

While the CO2 is essentially a closed loop, there are other problems, specifically related to soil fertility and biodiversity (similar to the problems we have with any monoculture crop).

My reaction to growing fuel is not the best. Agriculture already pollutes our waters (#1 polluter, isn't it?) pretty badly.

On second thought.... couldn't you pass effluent, like chicken farm runoff, through these fields, cleaning the water as well as fertilizing the crop?


This, that, these, and those, and biofilter addendum?

Maaaybe. Could work. I'm thinking about anything to help in the giant behemoth that pork farming has become. Something better needs to be done now that pigs have gone into factory production.
Smithfield may be the death of us all!

/the tasty, tasty death of us all
 
2012-12-21 05:50:59 PM  
If only there were some way to grow this stuff in a confined space. For the sake of argument, lets call it a "greenhouse". It would be like an enormous warehouse, only with walls made of glass to let the sunlight in. You could even use water from the power plant to heat this "greenhouse" to keep the the plants warm during the winter.

I don't know how this would work though, I'm no engineer. I'm just a man with a crazy dream.
 
2012-12-21 05:54:50 PM  

UNC_Samurai: cig-mkr: OXFORD, N.C. ?
Chips on a cracker, we have enough Kudzu in N.C. we don't need this stuff also.

Kudzu I can handle.

I'm going to go back in time, find out who introduced wisteria to the eastern U.S., and skullfark them with a plasma torch.


Haha awesome.
Although as far as invasive/non-native species go, it's kinda neat to be hiking near the mountains of the east side of America and find an apple tree. Yum.
 
2012-12-21 05:56:25 PM  

Skr: " It'll be different this time. We can control it."

Pretty much every bad syfy flick has a version of this quote in it. I find it hard to believe someone actually said this.


www.movieactors.com
Not impressed
 
2012-12-21 05:58:06 PM  

UNC_Samurai: cig-mkr: OXFORD, N.C. ?
Chips on a cracker, we have enough Kudzu in N.C. we don't need this stuff also.

Kudzu I can handle.

I'm going to go back in time, find out who introduced wisteria to the eastern U.S., and skullfark them with a plasma torch.


Also, just for clarification, were you going to literally skullfark them with a plasma torch, or figuratively skullfark them with a plasma torch. Because that technology would be a hell of a skullfark in the figurative sense.

First you show it, then you do it. Get the most bang for your buck.
 
2012-12-21 05:59:21 PM  
Lets do more stupid stuff to make a few people money.
 
2012-12-21 06:07:33 PM  

meat0918: How about we burn all our soil's fertility so we can power our homes for a few more decades before we starve?


"The study pointed out that a long term Giant reed cropping system, characterized by low tillage intensity, positively affect the amount and quality of soil organic matter."

Not all plants decrease soil quality. Peanuts and some types of gourd are good examples of plants that have a net enrichment effect. This stuff also improves soil quality.

What I find most interesting is that it will grow in poor, contaminated, slightly salty soils... which means it does not need to compete with food crop land. That's a huge plus. My question is how well does it tolerate saline soils... since fresh water is a limited resource, the ability to give them sea water - if only diluted - would be a HUGE advantage. I can see why it's an intriguing energy crop.

Maybe genetically engineer it to be sterile, and only grow it by cloning. That'd prevent it from spreading uncontrolled.
=Smidge=
 
2012-12-21 06:08:36 PM  
Why do we have an Oreo cookie Fark background? I missed the memo.
 
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