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(Wall Street Journal)   The NRA wants to put guns in every school in the country for security. In other news, the American Restaurant Association wants to put fast food outlets in every school to solve the childhood obesity problem   (blogs.wsj.com ) divider line
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2012-12-21 11:36:55 AM  
MOAR GUNS!!!! MOAR GUNS!!!!
 
2012-12-21 11:40:06 AM  
That's a stupid analogy.  One kid having a Big Mac in his hand will not stop another kid from eating a Big Mac.  They will both end up eati-- oh, I see the connection now.
 
2012-12-21 11:41:45 AM  
I don't know about everyone else, but I don't want my kid attending school around a bunch of armed dudes (and chicks). That is not a sign of a civilized society.
 
2012-12-21 11:43:23 AM  
Is anyone suprised the NRA's response is "MOAR GUNZ!!!"?

I seriously wish the world had ended today.  Fark this shiat.
 
2012-12-21 11:47:58 AM  

Samalie: Is anyone suprised the NRA's response is "MOAR GUNZ!!!"?

I seriously wish the world had ended today.  Fark this shiat.


The NRA no longer represents gun owners, they represent gun manufacturers. They would suck as an organization if their solution did not involve twisted justification of whatever is most likely to increase gun sales.

Guns and gun training mandated by law for tens of thousands of new armed officers all across the country? Gee, who woulda thunk?
 
2012-12-21 11:54:55 AM  

ox45tallboy: Samalie: Is anyone suprised the NRA's response is "MOAR GUNZ!!!"?

I seriously wish the world had ended today.  Fark this shiat.

The NRA no longer represents gun owners, they represent gun manufacturers. They would suck as an organization if their solution did not involve twisted justification of whatever is most likely to increase gun sales.

Guns and gun training mandated by law for tens of thousands of new armed officers all across the country? Gee, who woulda thunk?


I agree with your suggestion that they represent manufacturers more than gun owners these days.
 
2012-12-21 11:56:47 AM  
In case of shooting, break glass.
 
2012-12-21 12:01:33 PM  

bradkanus: I agree with your suggestion that they represent manufacturers more than gun owners these days.


And, as such, their motives should be examined. That doesn't mean their ideas should necessarily be discounted out of hand, but it does mean that they are interested in the profits of their donors first and foremost.
 
2012-12-21 12:12:30 PM  
What struck me most is LaPierre's suggestion that the guards receive NRA-given training. Who will pay for the training? The taxpayer? Is this just LaPierre trying to get public money?
 
2012-12-21 12:17:56 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: What struck me most is LaPierre's suggestion that the guards receive NRA-given training. Who will pay for the training? The taxpayer? Is this just LaPierre trying to get public money?


The NRA actually pays out of pocket fr a lot of training.

Now stop making me defend those guys.
 
2012-12-21 12:18:43 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: What struck me most is LaPierre's suggestion that the guards receive NRA-given training. Who will pay for the training? The taxpayer? Is this just LaPierre trying to get public money?


You're almost there.

How many guns and how much ammunition will NRA partners (gun manufacturers and distributors) sell with the mandatory addition of guns to every school? Who do you think will pay for all of this, and who do you think will profit?

Let's add in some mandatory "skill maintenance" training every few months that also uses up some ammo, and we're in business! Viola, instant sales!
 
2012-12-21 12:19:26 PM  
There was an unspecified threat in Abilene Texas that was supposed to possibly happen today. Can you guess what happened to prevent the possibility?
 
2012-12-21 12:21:33 PM  

R.A.Danny: The NRA actually pays out of pocket fr a lot of training.

Now stop making me defend those guys.


Yes, but they don't pay for the guns or the ammo.

The companies that fund the NRA do so from their profits from gun and ammo sales. It's kind of figured in as a cost of doing business.
 
2012-12-21 12:22:25 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: There was an unspecified threat in Abilene Texas that was supposed to possibly happen today. Can you guess what happened to prevent the possibility?


Texas is close to Mexico, so I'm guessing the Mayan gods prevented it?
 
2012-12-21 12:25:40 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: There was an unspecified threat in Abilene Texas that was supposed to possibly happen today. Can you guess what happened to prevent the possibility?


Reality?
 
2012-12-21 12:26:34 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: There was an unspecified threat in Abilene Texas that was supposed to possibly happen today. Can you guess what happened to prevent the possibility?


Prevented by reality as there was no actual threat? Maybe the threat was real, but the person making the threat decided to get high instead? Crazy person forgot to get gas and was stuck on the side of some road? Whacko decided to play COD instead?

Don't leave us hanging, what prevented it?
 
2012-12-21 12:28:12 PM  
I want to say the Abilene Texas "threat" was "prevented" by virtue of it being made up just now by some Farker...
 
2012-12-21 12:34:16 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: There was an unspecified threat in Abilene Texas that was supposed to possibly happen today. Can you guess what happened to prevent the possibility?


I'm guessing you mean this.

So, you want to know what "prevented" some junior high student who supposedly made some kind of threat from actually going through with it, other than the fact he most likely wasn't even serious?

Probably the fact that there weren't a sh*tload of guns lying around he could pick up and shoot someone with.
 
2012-12-21 12:34:40 PM  
Today's the day when everyone pretends Columbine didn't have armed security on-site, right?
 
2012-12-21 12:35:14 PM  

ox45tallboy: some junior high student


Excuse me, "juvenile", not "junior high". He was 16.
 
2012-12-21 12:39:04 PM  

dr_blasto: Don't leave us hanging, what prevented it?


They stationed people with...GASP...guns at every school in the district.

Counter_Intelligent: Reality?


I agree with you. The possible threat was little more than that but the bottom line is that the last place someone would show up acting the fool would be a school in the Abilene area. Imagine that.
 
2012-12-21 12:40:28 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: I want to say the Abilene Texas "threat" was "prevented" by virtue of it being made up just now by some Farker...


Or not.
 
2012-12-21 12:44:55 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: The My Little Pony Killer: I want to say the Abilene Texas "threat" was "prevented" by virtue of it being made up just now by some Farker...

Or not.


Maybe I'm missing something, but it looks like they placed cops at area schools because someone spray painted some graffiti on the schools.

Is that a thing in Texas?  Armed resistance to graffiti?  Otherwise I'm not getting the connection.
 
2012-12-21 12:47:55 PM  

gilgigamesh: Maybe I'm missing something, but it looks like they placed cops at area schools because someone spray painted some graffiti on the schools.

Is that a thing in Texas? Armed resistance to graffiti? Otherwise I'm not getting the connection.


The graffiti strongly implied that someone would be releasing wild hogs in the vicinity of the school. Duh.
 
2012-12-21 12:48:40 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: dr_blasto: Don't leave us hanging, what prevented it?

They stationed people with...GASP...guns at every school in the district.

Counter_Intelligent: Reality?

I agree with you. The possible threat was little more than that but the bottom line is that the last place someone would show up acting the fool would be a school in the Abilene area. Imagine that.


So, did they hear of a potential threat and, as a precautionary measure, dispatch police officers to the schools or did a bunch of gun-having volunteers show up?
 
2012-12-21 12:49:26 PM  

kronicfeld: gilgigamesh: Maybe I'm missing something, but it looks like they placed cops at area schools because someone spray painted some graffiti on the schools.

Is that a thing in Texas? Armed resistance to graffiti? Otherwise I'm not getting the connection.

The graffiti strongly implied that someone would be releasing wild hogs in the vicinity of the school. Duh.


Oh!  Pit BBQ.  Now that is  definitely a Texas thing.
 
2012-12-21 12:56:28 PM  

kronicfeld: The graffiti strongly implied that someone would be releasing wild hogs in the vicinity of the school. Duh.


Why don't they release more wild hogs to deal with the wild hog problem?
 
2012-12-21 12:57:48 PM  

dr_blasto: Dancin_In_Anson: dr_blasto: Don't leave us hanging, what prevented it?

They stationed people with...GASP...guns at every school in the district.

Counter_Intelligent: Reality?

I agree with you. The possible threat was little more than that but the bottom line is that the last place someone would show up acting the fool would be a school in the Abilene area. Imagine that.

So, did they hear of a potential threat and, as a precautionary measure, dispatch police officers to the schools or did a bunch of gun-having volunteers show up?


"People with guns" is all that's important to him.
 
2012-12-21 12:58:49 PM  

sweetmelissa31: kronicfeld: The graffiti strongly implied that someone would be releasing wild hogs in the vicinity of the school. Duh.

Why don't they release more wild hogs to deal with the wild hog problem?


And all this because an old lady let a fly loose in the school.
 
2012-12-21 01:08:13 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Why don't they release more wild hogs to deal with the wild hog problem?


Holler when your ready to come up for a hunt. Or would you just like to continue to babble like an idiot about something you are completely and totally ignorant about? My bet is on the latter.

Counter_Intelligent et al: "People with guns" is all that's important to him.


And as I said earlier, the "threat" was probably little more than that. However, let's say that you went off your collective meds and decided that you wanted to to mimic any one of these shooters...Would you pick a place that you knew had the possibility of an armed response or one where you knew you'd be the only one with a firearm?
 
2012-12-21 01:20:09 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Would you pick a place that you knew had the possibility of an armed response or one where you knew you'd be the only one with a firearm?


Someone who would randomly plug innocent victims, especially children, is simply not right in the head. Therefore, it is rather silly to think that any sane person can accurately predict their behavior, or that anyone has some kind of "insight" into the mental processes of the criminally insane. I don't know what their thought processes would be, or what data they may choose to factor into their decisions.

And, once again, THERE WAS AN ARMED POLICE PRESENCE AT COLUMBINE.

Your argument is invalid.
 
2012-12-21 01:45:51 PM  

ox45tallboy: Someone who would randomly plug innocent victims, especially children, is simply not right in the head.


That's a given.

ox45tallboy: Therefore, it is rather silly to think that any sane person can accurately predict their behavior, or that anyone has some kind of "insight" into the mental processes of the criminally insane.


So why does law enforcement even bother studying them?


ox45tallboy: And, once again, THERE WAS AN ARMED POLICE PRESENCE AT COLUMBINE.


Where were they?
 
2012-12-21 01:49:12 PM  

kronicfeld: Today's the day when everyone pretends Columbine didn't have armed security on-site, right?


Came to say this.
 
2012-12-21 01:53:20 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: ox45tallboy: Someone who would randomly plug innocent victims, especially children, is simply not right in the head.

That's a given.

ox45tallboy: Therefore, it is rather silly to think that any sane person can accurately predict their behavior, or that anyone has some kind of "insight" into the mental processes of the criminally insane.

So why does law enforcement even bother studying them?


ox45tallboy: And, once again, THERE WAS AN ARMED POLICE PRESENCE AT COLUMBINE.

Where were they?


Not everywhere at once. Which seems to be the place LaPierre thinks these armed guards will be.
 
2012-12-21 01:55:15 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: So why does law enforcement even bother studying them?


They don't. Psychologists do. Police take the findings of the psychologists and attempt to adjust procedures based on these findings. However, there is just not a lot of predictability, other than to know that most people who do this go into it expecting to die.

Dancin_In_Anson: ox45tallboy: And, once again, THERE WAS AN ARMED POLICE PRESENCE AT COLUMBINE.

Where were they?


Believe it or not, the armed deputy and his unarmed partner were having lunch in the deputy's patrol car, watching an area near the school in an effort to catch students smoking cigarettes.
 
2012-12-21 01:57:52 PM  
Putting an armed guard in every school insures that the first person to be killed in every school shooting will be an armed guard.
 
2012-12-21 01:58:42 PM  

kronicfeld: Putting an armed guard in every school insures that the first person to be killed in every school shooting will be an armed guard.


But at least they would die like men, right? Not like those women and children who died in Newtown.

/I feel sick just repeating that idea, even to mock it
 
2012-12-21 02:03:45 PM  

kronicfeld: Putting an armed guard in every school insures that the first person to be killed in every school shooting will be an armed guard.


And now the shooter has another gun.

People that play violent video games will be instinctively aware of this.
 
2012-12-21 02:17:25 PM  
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.comAppropriate on many levels here.
 
2012-12-21 02:19:09 PM  
Virginia Tech had an an entire campus police force.
 
2012-12-21 02:20:32 PM  
On the local TV station's Facebook page this story is right above a story about a local school district raising property taxes by 12 percent.

The Venn diagram of the posters on the NRA story saying "We need to do this! Anything to protect our kids!" and tax hike story saying "This is outrageous! Why do these schools spend so much money?!" bears a suspicious resemblance to the flag of Japan.
 
2012-12-21 02:23:02 PM  
How about we just turn schools into juvenile prisons? We're halfway there already. I bet most people would barely notice.
 
2012-12-21 02:23:28 PM  
Isn't that basically Barbra Boxer's suggestion, too? She's known as Dianne Feinstein to some people around here.
 
2012-12-21 02:24:50 PM  
1)  Other countries have video games and movies, but rarely these massacres.

2)  Putting armed guards in schools would be prohibitively expensive and would represent a huge expansion of government.

3)  Based on only the past few years, we would have to also put armed guards in movie theaters, shopping malls, parking lots, churches and other houses of worship, and....

4)  Ft. Hood had lots of armed people around.  Didn't prevent anything.

As we've said, the NRA is supporting the gun industry.
 
2012-12-21 02:30:27 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Holler when your ready to come up for a hunt. Or would you just like to continue to babble like an idiot about something you are completely and totally ignorant about? My bet is on the latter.


I'm afraid you are right, cowboy- the field of feral mutant hogs is not my forte and I will continue to babble like an idiot about them.
 
2012-12-21 02:34:04 PM  
Hey guys!

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Whats going on in this thread?
 
2012-12-21 02:34:38 PM  

Diogenes: 4) Ft. Hood had lots of armed people around. Didn't prevent anything.


I agree with your other points, and with your ideas in general, but this is wrong.

Soldiers do NOT carry their guns around base willy-nilly, and the shooter purposefully chose that location on the base as one where soldiers were expressly prohibited from carrying their guns.
 
2012-12-21 02:37:52 PM  

ox45tallboy: guns

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2012-12-21 02:39:46 PM  
Gotta give 'em props on this one - especially after a democratic president has put a huge dent in the budget deficit by cutting education spending, along with virtualy every other section of the deficit monstrosity he inherited.

"When a parent is trying to protect their kid, stop trying to punch the kid - punch the parent!"
-- Wayna LaPierre, fetish toy pitchman


/haven't actually verified that he advocates punching children, but the question needs to be asked.
 
2012-12-21 02:43:03 PM  

ox45tallboy: Diogenes: 4) Ft. Hood had lots of armed people around. Didn't prevent anything.

I agree with your other points, and with your ideas in general, but this is wrong.

Soldiers do NOT carry their guns around base willy-nilly, and the shooter purposefully chose that location on the base as one where soldiers were expressly prohibited from carrying their guns.


I know it's not the point you're making, but a shooter could pick a section of a school that isn't patrolled by the lone cop.  That fact that a shooter could massacre soldiers on a military base filled with guns, MPs and armed men (even if they're mostly in different locations), proves that one cop in a school isn't going to help anything (as it didn't with Columbine).

If LaPierre would have suggested we arm every teacher, at least it would have been logical, if laughably insane.
 
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