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2012-12-21 10:40:34 AM
I'm not a football guy, but for the life of me I cannot understand how Tebow could be so good in college and so awful in the pros. Is the standard of play just so much higher?
 
2012-12-21 10:47:04 AM

NowhereMon: I'm not a football guy, but for the life of me I cannot understand how Tebow could be so good in college and so awful in the pros. Is the standard of play just so much higher?


Yes.
 
2012-12-21 10:49:24 AM

NowhereMon: I'm not a football guy, but for the life of me I cannot understand how Tebow could be so good in college and so awful in the pros. Is the standard of play just so much higher?


Yes. Not just the standard, but also the style.
 
2012-12-21 11:02:40 AM

NowhereMon: I'm not a football guy, but for the life of me I cannot understand how Tebow could be so good in college and so awful in the pros. Is the standard of play just so much higher?




In college he could get away with his style more. The option style offense isn't run much in the NFL though, because the defenders in the NFL hit a LOT harder than the ones in college.
 
2012-12-21 11:19:38 AM
www.gannett-cdn.com

So it was Saint Tebow who opened the tomb of hillbilly Jesus!
 
2012-12-21 11:28:49 AM

NowhereMon: I'm not a football guy, but for the life of me I cannot understand how Tebow could be so good in college and so awful in the pros. Is the standard of play just so much higher?


He wasn't that good in college.  He was lucky.  Very very very lucky.  90% of his passes should NOT have worked but somehow it did.  You will notice that once he got knocked out (by his own teammate) he was never the same.
 
2012-12-21 11:32:06 AM

jchic: 90% of his passes should NOT have worked but somehow it did.


s3-ec.buzzfed.com
 
2012-12-21 11:45:45 AM

kronicfeld: NowhereMon: I'm not a football guy, but for the life of me I cannot understand how Tebow could be so good in college and so awful in the pros. Is the standard of play just so much higher?

Yes.


Long answer:  Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees.
 
2012-12-21 11:48:52 AM

NowhereMon: I'm not a football guy, but for the life of me I cannot understand how Tebow could be so good in college and so awful in the pros. Is the standard of play just so much higher?



so much higher that it is difficult to describe...just look at it this way.  I've been following college/pro football very, very closely since 1970.  Look at how many "star" qb's there were in college...guys at the top of their game, Heisman trophy winners, nat'l chams, bowl winners, etc......and think of how many washed out in the pros, and washed out quickly.
 
2012-12-21 11:48:55 AM
He'll end up in the CFL. Apparently the Montreal Alouettes have his negotiating rights.
 
2012-12-21 11:49:14 AM

NowhereMon: Is the standard of play just so much higher?


That's only part of it. Part of the problem is Tebow can't read defenses to save his life, which in the NFL is rather big problem. It's part of what makes Peyton Manning Peyton Manning, he lines up and can see what the defense is up to and adjust accordingly on the fly. Also Tebow is not exactly a good passer. Which is rather baffling as he's missed passes that even high school quarterbacks are expected to make every time.
 
2012-12-21 11:49:20 AM
COUNTER ARGUMENT: JESUS!
 
2012-12-21 11:52:25 AM

NowhereMon: I'm not a football guy, but for the life of me I cannot understand how Tebow could be so good in college and so awful in the pros. Is the standard of play just so much higher?


The offense that he ran in college was predicated on his running ability, and the passes were the result of defenses having to sell out against him. While this is a big part of why the Broncos beat the Steelers last year, in the long term there are too many good players and defenses and Tebow would ultimately struggle as a QB. The QB's are too valuable to take that kind of pounding in that offense.

Also, you just can't throw the football the way he does and be successful. He takes longer than Byron Leftwich to wind up and throw, but Tebow can't really get anything on the ball, and his accuracy is terrible. Not starting him at QB was the one thing Rex Ryan got right this year.
 
2012-12-21 11:53:15 AM
If Brady Quinn is still employed in the NFL, Tebow still has a chance.
 
2012-12-21 11:54:06 AM

NowhereMon: I'm not a football guy, but for the life of me I cannot understand how Tebow could be so good in college and so awful in the pros. Is the standard of play just so much higher?


Because God is a college football fan.
 
2012-12-21 11:57:20 AM
So many goobers are clamoring for Tebow to come to Tampa. I might understand if we didn't have Freeman, but Freeman is a better than average QB. He may even be really good. If we were starting Brady Quinn, I might bring in Tebow.
 
2012-12-21 11:57:27 AM
I keep seeing that the Jets are looking into Vick. I don't know what that means other than acknowledgement that their entire organization is a joke.
 
2012-12-21 11:57:59 AM
I think he'd be a good player at some other position like running back or tight end. He's big and he's strong.

If he was a RB that would also give you the threat of a pass (even though he's not really that good at it)
 
2012-12-21 11:58:51 AM

Krustofsky: NowhereMon: I'm not a football guy, but for the life of me I cannot understand how Tebow could be so good in college and so awful in the pros. Is the standard of play just so much higher?

The offense that he ran in college was predicated on his running ability, and the passes were the result of defenses having to sell out against him. While this is a big part of why the Broncos beat the Steelers last year, in the long term there are too many good players and defenses and Tebow would ultimately struggle as a QB. The QB's are too valuable to take that kind of pounding in that offense.

Also, you just can't throw the football the way he does and be successful. He takes longer than Byron Leftwich to wind up and throw, but Tebow can't really get anything on the ball, and his accuracy is terrible. Not starting him at QB was the one thing Rex Ryan got right this year.


And the value of QBs is why RGIII will either be forced to change his style next season or have a two year career.
 
2012-12-21 11:59:21 AM
There is only one reason and that is he is a mediocre quarterback.
 
2012-12-21 11:59:31 AM
He should leave football and find a cushy 'Motivational Speaker' gig as soon as he can, while he can still command high fees before people forget about him. It's easy work with little chance of crippling injury.
 
2012-12-21 11:59:55 AM

NowhereMon: I'm not a football guy, but for the life of me I cannot understand how Tebow could be so good in college and so awful in the pros. Is the standard of play just so much higher?


Think of it this way, by and large the worst player on the team in the NFL was the best player on his college team (there are a few exceptions for the schools that will send multiple people to the NFL or the rare hard luck story where someone just wasn't noticed in college). Tim Tebow excelled in college through a system that targeted the people on defense who weren't going to the NFL (which is what most perennially successful college programs do).

For the QB position in particular, success at the NFL level seems to depend heavily on whether a QB can transition to the speed of the game and much narrower passing windows vs game at every other level, there doesn't seem to be any good measure of predicting doing this (else QBs would succeed in correlation with their draft order/round). 1st rounder QBs (drafted after the first pick) succeed and fail about as often as 3rd rounders. That isn't true for any other position in the game.
 
2012-12-21 12:07:25 PM
Seems like he could land as a back up somewhere if he just did not have the media circus following him. The guy won some games.

I mean the Colts had Kerry Collins and Curtis Painter last year for crying out loud.
 
2012-12-21 12:15:53 PM

nelsonal: NowhereMon: I'm not a football guy, but for the life of me I cannot understand how Tebow could be so good in college and so awful in the pros. Is the standard of play just so much higher?

Think of it this way, by and large the worst player on the team in the NFL was the best player on his college team (there are a few exceptions for the schools that will send multiple people to the NFL or the rare hard luck story where someone just wasn't noticed in college). Tim Tebow excelled in college through a system that targeted the people on defense who weren't going to the NFL (which is what most perennially successful college programs do).

For the QB position in particular, success at the NFL level seems to depend heavily on whether a QB can transition to the speed of the game and much narrower passing windows vs game at every other level, there doesn't seem to be any good measure of predicting doing this (else QBs would succeed in correlation with their draft order/round). 1st rounder QBs (drafted after the first pick) succeed and fail about as often as 3rd rounders. That isn't true for any other position in the game.


Brady was picked 199th (6th round). Talk about sleeper hit.
 
2012-12-21 12:19:46 PM

MilesTeg: Seems like he could land as a back up somewhere if he just did not have the media circus following him.


Keep in mind, he's a QB who still isn't very good at passing. Virtually all teams in the NFL have a pass-centric offense and want their backup QB to run the same plays the starter was if there's an injury or something. Can you honestly see him backing up Aaron Rodgers in GB, or Drew Brees in NO, and both McCarthy and Payton (if he comes back) having the trust to call the same plays if he has to come in? No; they would have to spend time throughout training camp tailoring a certain set of "Tebow" plays that may never come to fruition to begin with.

So, signing Tebow to be your backup is kinda retarded IMO. You go "all in" with him or not, because he represents a significant timesuck for your offensive coaching staff just to prepare things he can excel at.
 
2012-12-21 12:21:12 PM
Cleveland Browns: The Browns have been trying to find a good passer since Bernie Kosar left. They'll keep looking.

The Browns might wind up with Tweedledee and Tweedledum Mike Lombardi and Josh McDaniels running the show next year. I'm sleeping with one eye open here.
 
2012-12-21 12:23:41 PM

MilesTeg: Seems like he could land as a back up somewhere if he just did not have the media circus following him. The guy won some games.

I mean the Colts had Kerry Collins and Curtis Painter last year for crying out loud.


Kerry Collins and Curtis Painter are better at throwing the ball.
 
2012-12-21 12:24:53 PM
Daily tebow thread. Never gets old
 
2012-12-21 12:35:21 PM

NowhereMon: I'm not a football guy, but for the life of me I cannot understand how Tebow could be so good in college and so awful in the pros. Is the standard of play just so much higher?


Yes. And the NFL is a lot less willing to put up with any sort of variation in what it sees as ideal for any position, especially QB. If you want to have fun sometime, start looking at the physical attributes of NFL QBs. They will almost all be plus or minus an inch of 6'4", with a few 6'2" guys. Brees and Russell Wilson are basically the 2 exceptions, and the Chargers had no problem with drafting a 6'5" Rivers with Brees on their roster.

NFL GMs are kind of risk-averse like that.
 
2012-12-21 12:35:23 PM

NowhereMon: I'm not a football guy, but for the life of me I cannot understand how Tebow could be so good in college and so awful in the pros. Is the standard of play just so much higher?


He played in the ACC.
 
2012-12-21 12:35:43 PM
Cigar Smoking Tim Tebow and Smoking Jay Cutler pics would make me laugh.
 
2012-12-21 12:38:52 PM

MilesTeg: Seems like he could land as a back up somewhere if he just did not have the media circus following him. The guy Denver's defense won some games.

I mean the Colts had Kerry Collins and Curtis Painter last year for crying out loud.


FTFY.
 
2012-12-21 12:39:02 PM
The bible thumper I work with is not a football fan but she is a St Tebus fan. You shoulda heard the whining she was doing the other day when they were talking about getting rid of him. She was going on about the NFL being antichristian and nobody is giving him a chance. I chuckled in silence.
 
2012-12-21 12:41:49 PM

Raging Whore Moans: NowhereMon: I'm not a football guy, but for the life of me I cannot understand how Tebow could be so good in college and so awful in the pros. Is the standard of play just so much higher?

He played in the ACC.


For one game a year.

Florida is in the SEC, dude.
 
2012-12-21 12:46:05 PM

WhyteRaven74: NowhereMon: Is the standard of play just so much higher?

That's only part of it. Part of the problem is Tebow can't read defenses to save his life, which in the NFL is rather big problem. It's part of what makes Peyton Manning Peyton Manning, he lines up and can see what the defense is up to and adjust accordingly on the fly. Also Tebow is not exactly a good passer. Which is rather baffling as he's missed passes that even high school quarterbacks are expected to make every time.


Another possible issue is that the NFL assembles the best from the college players that want to move onto the professional level, while colleges deal with a mish-mash of recruits, walk-ons, and scholarship high-school players that don't necessarily want to move on (they're actually there for the education). So, the 'working' positions in college ball, the O and D Linemen, can vary a lot in both skill and size, while the NFL Linemen tend to all be man-mountain beasts as pro ball picks the cream of the crop. Sometimes the size difference of the linemen is enough to keep the QB from getting the reads the way he's used to by having his usual sighting patterns blocked. See: Kevin Sweeney.
 
2012-12-21 12:51:12 PM

Krustofsky: NowhereMon: I'm not a football guy, but for the life of me I cannot understand how Tebow could be so good in college and so awful in the pros. Is the standard of play just so much higher?

The offense that he ran in college was predicated on his running ability, and the passes were the result of defenses having to sell out against him. While this is a big part of why the Broncos beat the Steelers last year, in the long term there are too many good players and defenses and Tebow would ultimately struggle as a QB. The QB's are too valuable to take that kind of pounding in that offense.

Also, you just can't throw the football the way he does and be successful. He takes longer than Byron Leftwich to wind up and throw, but Tebow can't really get anything on the ball, and his accuracy is terrible. Not starting him at QB was the one thing Rex Ryan got right this year.


And frankly I thought his college greatness was overrated. People always credit him with winning two titles, but in fact he only won one as the QB. Chris Leak was the yearlong starting QB on the 2006 title team. Also those Florida teams had a ton of talent. 22 drafted players from his years as a starter, including 9 in the first 2 rounds. People placing him as one of the greatest college players of all time is insane to me.

And this is a bit speculative and maybe unfair but I have seen it in some articles - he just doesn't seem to have the intelligence factor needed to become a good NFL QB. Remember all that supposed training he got coming out of college to change his release? Didn't hold up at all in live games. His footwork is terrible. Can't read many NFL coverages. When you look at all the great QB's in the league, they not only have great work ethics, but high intelligence and can apply a lot of information quickly.
 
2012-12-21 12:51:49 PM

Rent Party: Raging Whore Moans: NowhereMon: I'm not a football guy, but for the life of me I cannot understand how Tebow could be so good in college and so awful in the pros. Is the standard of play just so much higher?

He played in the ACC.

For one game a year.

Florida is in the SEC, dude.


This. The only three ACC QBs that start in the NFL right now are Matt Ryan, Matt Schaub and Christian Ponder.
 
2012-12-21 12:53:07 PM

NowhereMon: I'm not a football guy, but for the life of me I cannot understand how Tebow could be so good in college and so awful in the pros. Is the standard of play just so much higher?


He was on a team that was physically superior and more talented than the vast majority of teams they faced.
 
2012-12-21 12:54:36 PM

stir22: NowhereMon: I'm not a football guy, but for the life of me I cannot understand how Tebow could be so good in college and so awful in the pros. Is the standard of play just so much higher?


so much higher that it is difficult to describe...just look at it this way.  I've been following college/pro football very, very closely since 1970.  Look at how many "star" qb's there were in college...guys at the top of their game, Heisman trophy winners, nat'l chams, bowl winners, etc......and think of how many washed out in the pros, and washed out quickly.


www.wuerffeltrophy.orgwww.hurricanesportsnation.com

I'm sorry, what?
 
2012-12-21 12:55:18 PM

WhyteRaven74: NowhereMon: Is the standard of play just so much higher?

That's only part of it. Part of the problem is Tebow can't read defenses to save his life, which in the NFL is rather big problem. It's part of what makes Peyton Manning Peyton Manning, he lines up and can see what the defense is up to and adjust accordingly on the fly. Also Tebow is not exactly a good passer. Which is rather baffling as he's missed passes that even high school quarterbacks are expected to make every time.


I've read somewhere that a good chunk of Peyton's audibles are fake. I mean, dummy audibles are commonly used at every level to disguise the real audibles, but Manning just works harder on selling it; many of those times he's walking around in the backfield, shouting pointed directions, and his receivers are leaning in to listen carefully, and one lineman turns to the next to say "he said green 86!" and all that stuff... still dummy calls, just like everyone else, part of the kabuki dance.
 
2012-12-21 12:56:00 PM

Devo: So many goobers are clamoring for Tebow to come to Tampa. I might understand if we didn't have Freeman, but Freeman is a better than average QB. He may even be really good. If we were starting Brady Quinn, I might bring in Tebow.


As a fan of the team that is starting Brady Quinn, I want no part of Tebow.
 
2012-12-21 01:00:04 PM

Killer Cars: Keep in mind, he's a QB who still isn't very good at passing. Virtually all teams in the NFL have a pass-centric offense and want their backup QB to run the same plays the starter was if there's an injury or something. Can you honestly see him backing up Aaron Rodgers in GB, or Drew Brees in NO, and both McCarthy and Payton (if he comes back) having the trust to call the same plays if he has to come in? No; they would have to spend time throughout training camp tailoring a certain set of "Tebow" plays that may never come to fruition to begin with.


In fact, we saw this little experiment in Denver: after a couple of games of trying to run the Orton offense with Tebow, the coaches realized it would never work and shiat-canned the entire offense, creating an entire new system to play to Tebow's strengths.

Was it worth it? At the time, sure; hell, we won a playoff game. But that type of offense cannot succeed long term in the NFL.
 
2012-12-21 01:05:15 PM
I'm assuming the article runs something like this:
1) The Jets don't want a bad QB
2) The Patriots don't want a bad QB
3) The Dolphins don't wants a bad QB
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.
.
32) The Bears don't want a bad QB
 
2012-12-21 01:07:43 PM

SuperChuck: 32) The Bears don't want another bad QB


you need a proof reader ::))
 
2012-12-21 01:07:48 PM
I think the Eagles should sign him.

/Cowboys fan
 
2012-12-21 01:09:13 PM

jchic: NowhereMon: I'm not a football guy, but for the life of me I cannot understand how Tebow could be so good in college and so awful in the pros. Is the standard of play just so much higher?

He wasn't that good in college.  He was lucky.  Very very very lucky.  90% of his passes should NOT have worked but somehow it did.  You will notice that once he got knocked out (by his own teammate) he was never the same.


Dude...I'm not a Tebow slurper, but the guy was a very good college QB/athlete...you don't throw for 88 TDs and over 9,200 yards by being lucky 90% of the time, that's a ridiculous statement.

The UF offense when he was there was a very simple, 2-read-then-run offense with some good team scrambling fundamentals. He was able to make plays with his legs because in a speed and size game, he was typically the biggest + fastest guy on the field. In the pros, the offenses are much more complex, most LBs are has big and fast as he is and good team defense gap fundamentals don't allow for his cutback plays that he used to leverage to break big plays in college.

His for shiat accuracy and lack of passing fundamentals aren't helping his cause either...you can't float and wobble long throws in the NFL, even in a soft zone, NFL-type corners and safeties will pick that shiat off all day long.

And to the people who want him to be a backup, the problem is that for him to be successful, the offensive style you have to run for Tebow is completely different than for 99% of most NFL QBs...and in a backup role, he has to run the offense that the starter runs. He has to either be a starter or a change-of-pace (e.g., Wildcat) guy that has 5-7 plays designed for him...but putting him at #2, is a waste of time.
 
2012-12-21 01:10:03 PM

SuperChuck: I'm assuming the article runs something like this:
1) The Jets don't want a bad QB
2) The Patriots don't want a bad QB
3) The Dolphins don't wants a bad QB
.
.
.
32) The Bears don't want a bad QB


Yes and no.  For a lot of teams, add team-specific snark; there are some with legitimate reasons mixed in (everyone except khan hates him in Jacksonville, Cam's already stressed out as it is, Miami runs an offense he can't run, etc.).
 
2012-12-21 01:10:58 PM

WTF Indeed: COUNTER ARGUMENT: JESUS!


Counter to that: Jesus never had to look at Ray Lewis on the other side of the ball and expect bad intentions heading his way.
 
2012-12-21 01:11:41 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: If Brady Quinn is still employed in the NFL, Tebow still has a chance.


Big difference: Quinn can complete passes that Tebow still struggles with.
 
2012-12-21 01:13:13 PM
On top of the fact that Tebus is just not a quality QB, he is a cancer to any locker room. His followers are functionally insane and extremely loud. The media scrutiny affects everyone in the organization top to bottom.

I'm actually wondering if the Jets will even be able to find a single team willing to take him. He is the worst player, for the highest price - and with huge "bonus" negatives to boot. Lose/lose.
 
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