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(Washington Post)   The Washington Post releases its "biggest Pinocchios of 2012" list. And yes, the list is split evenly between Democrats and Republicans so BOTH SIDES LIED THE SAME and BOTH SIDES ARE EQUALLY BAD   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 51
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2012-12-21 11:08:21 AM
10 votes:
comparing democratic lies to republican lies is like comparing a grain of sand to the sahara desert.
2012-12-21 11:45:02 AM
8 votes:
Second Biggest Lie Ever: Trickle down economics

- rich people get richer by plugging the holes that money trickles out of


Biggest Lie Ever: Rich People are Job Creators

- rich people get richer by eliminating as many jobs as possible
2012-12-21 11:48:40 AM
6 votes:
Hey Washington Post:

So Harry Reid is the senator from Nevada, not Utah. Kinda ruins the whole "Fact-checking" part when you can't get that right
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-21 11:32:24 AM
6 votes:
It's fun to compare the sorts of "lies".

Harry Reid sad something that may or may not be true, but it's a lie because he can't prove it and Romney's Mommy accountants wrote a note saying that he paid taxes.


The the Chrysler claim:
Even more remarkable, the Romney campaign fiercely defended the ad, even as it came under harsh criticism from, among others, Chrysler.

They can list the same number of "lies" from each side to look "balanced", but they can't make the magnitude anything close to comparable.
2012-12-21 11:28:55 AM
6 votes:
Hey, look. Another subjective list designed to make the source look "balanced."

Which always makes them look "unbalanced" to me.
2012-12-21 11:43:55 AM
5 votes:
Fake balanced bullshiat.
2012-12-21 12:22:37 PM
4 votes:

bindlestiff2600: FYI-ive had republicans tell me that both sides are equally bad

yet for some reason -- they can never tell me what they're own politicians have done, that they consider bad.

i now accuse them of either lieing to me or to them selves


Both sides are similarly bad.

What happens is Republicans excuse Republican lies and see these lies as isolated incidences. They interpret Democrat lies as representative of the entire Democratic party.

What happens is Democrats excuse Democratic lies and see these lies as isolated incidences. They interpret Republican lies as representative of the entire Republican Party.
2012-12-21 12:54:27 PM
3 votes:

Civil_War2_Time: I have. Most small-business owners aren't rich, and the vast majority of demand that creates jobs come from the poor and middle class.

What job (besides a hand-job) did you get from a "poor" person? Babbysitting?


Unless you build luxury items (yachts, private jets), your job was created by the poor and middle class.

I suppose you mean "hired" by a poor person though. You seem surprised that a sizable percentage of employees are hired by small businesses, and that the net income of a lot of small businesses is very small.
2012-12-21 12:00:58 PM
3 votes:
I'm not so concerned about the typical political lying, as I am about lies such as:
"Evolution is just a theory"
"Global warming is a myth"
"Legitimate rape"
2012-12-21 11:44:54 AM
3 votes:
I would be more impressed if they pointed out the truths that Romney said.
2012-12-21 04:15:54 PM
2 votes:

Civil_War2_Time: impaler: Civil_War2_Time: You're saying "broke" people are the same as "poor" people.They are not the same, and you should know that by now. I'm educating you, fwiw.

"Poor" people don't hire or own businesses. Many "broke" business owners do try (and do hire) to try and not be broke any longer.

No "poor" person has ever hired you. That's a fact you can't dispute.

Tautology for the win. Sure, a business owner may have a negative net worth and little income after payroll and expenses, but since 'poor people never hire anyone,' they can't be poor!

Herp a derp a doo!

Nice loss, big guy.


As a disinterested observer, I'd posit that civil war has lost to just about everyone in here.
2012-12-21 02:43:33 PM
2 votes:

Civil_War2_Time: You're saying "broke" people are the same as "poor" people.They are not the same, and you should know that by now. I'm educating you, fwiw.

"Poor" people don't hire or own businesses. Many "broke" business owners do try (and do hire) to try and not be broke any longer.

No "poor" person has ever hired you. That's a fact you can't dispute.


Tautology for the win. Sure, a business owner may have a negative net worth and little income after payroll and expenses, but since 'poor people never hire anyone,' they can't be poor!

Herp a derp a doo!
2012-12-21 02:03:55 PM
2 votes:

Civil_War2_Time: FYI, an LLC  that yields only $15K of actual profit DOES mean that person (or family) only made $15K during that year.

According to who/m? You?

Your former employers would go to jail if they ONLY claimed an "income" of $15K on their tax returns. They probably have $100K+ in revenues annually, and they have to report THAT, not their profits


You're 100% wrong. They money they pay out in expenses (to payroll, materials, etc.) is deducted from their revenue in order to calculate income.

If someone pays ACME Company $200,000 to build a house in a year, and ACME Company spent $100,000 on supplies and $80,000 on payroll, ACME company only made $20,000 of taxable income.

This is not opinion or open for debate.
2012-12-21 12:39:46 PM
2 votes:
"Argument to moderation (Latin: argumentum ad temperantiam; also known as [argument from] middle ground, false compromise, gray fallacy and the golden mean fallacy) is an informal fallacy which asserts that the truth can be found as a compromise between two opposite positions. This fallacy's opposite is the false dilemma."
2012-12-21 11:56:23 AM
2 votes:

halfof33: Whar Rice, whar?

"The information, the best information and the best assessment we have today is that in fact this was not a preplanned, premeditated attack. That what happened initially was that it was a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in Cairo as a consequence of the video. People gathered outside the embassy and then it grew very violent and those with extremist ties joined the fray and came with heavy weapons, which unfortunately are quite common in post-revolutionary Libya and that then spun out of control."


Oh for goodness sakes, give it a rest you nitwit.
2012-12-21 11:53:00 AM
2 votes:
If news media really want to have lists like this and really want to be fair and balanced, release two lists: the five/ten worst Democratic lies of the year and the five/ten worst republican lies of the year. You still get to be balanced, but people can objectively see that one side really is worse than the other.
2012-12-21 11:51:53 AM
2 votes:
In case they change it:

s10.postimage.org
2012-12-21 11:50:20 AM
2 votes:

vpb: They can list the same number of "lies" from each side to look "balanced", but they can't make the magnitude anything close to comparable.


Exactly. The magnitude of the lying, not the frequency, was what set the two parties apart this year.
2012-12-21 11:48:52 AM
2 votes:
Obama said your ass doesn't look too big in those pants.

Romney said he'd be able to create jobs because he is a job creator who created jobs like a job creator and he has experience, trust him.

So who should I vote for? Republican?
2012-12-21 11:44:57 AM
2 votes:
...so vote Republican.
2012-12-22 01:45:56 AM
1 votes:

colithian: Seriously, I agree that 90% being squarely on the shoulders of Bush is a little high, but only because a great percentage of that was due to things outside of the president's control. Like the housing market, Europe, and Arab Spring. Oh, and the House being full of asshats. Checks and balances, people.
While the recession wasn't caused by the bush tax cuts, our deficit certainly was. How people can seriously believe less taxes = more revenue boggles my mind.


What I told people was, Bush isn't the problem, Bush is the symptom. All of his policies had widespread support at least among the political, management and media types. If you read any history at all you quickly realize that most times and places the ruling classes are batsh*t, and most 'issues of the day' are fundamentally stupid.
2012-12-22 01:04:08 AM
1 votes:
but a large chunk (44 percent in 2011) were the result of Obama's actions. At another point, Obama falsely suggested that the Bush tax cuts led to the Great Recession.

imgs.xkcd.com

Seriously, I agree that 90% being squarely on the shoulders of Bush is a little high, but only because a great percentage of that was due to things outside of the president's control. Like the housing market, Europe, and Arab Spring. Oh, and the House being full of asshats. Checks and balances, people.
While the recession wasn't caused by the bush tax cuts, our deficit certainly was. How people can seriously believe less taxes = more revenue boggles my mind.
2012-12-21 08:29:54 PM
1 votes:
Are both sides bad? Yes. Politics is a dirty game, deal widdit.

Are both sides equally bad? Ha, ha, no. I'm pretty right-leaning for Fark and I still think the GOP can go fark themselves with the most convenient rusty, spiked protuberance available.
2012-12-21 06:41:30 PM
1 votes:

Civil_War2_Time: You know you're wrong on the Econ./Acct. 101 equation, and are still a small-business tax expert?

Once again...Assets + Owner's Liability = Owner's Equity.

Love it! Moar!


wtf? Assets = Liability + Equity. It's the basic double-entry accounting equation. Are you on crack?


Facts are wholly against you. Deductions on your tax return do not equate to whether you're "poor" or not. You originally said you were hired by poor people. That's a complete lie.

I'm hired by poor people fairly often. Poor people file tax returns too, and they hire me to do it.
2012-12-21 04:27:54 PM
1 votes:
Both parties are full of shiat because both are conservative capitalists. But there's a difference between regular-political-full-of-shiat, as the Dems are, and being we're-a-bunch-of-pathological-narcissists-and-thieves-full-of-shiat, like the Republicans. I reject both but don't even farking try to say that business-as-usual politics is somehow the same as radical fascism.

I'll take any BOF SIDES BAD from right-wing trash seriously when they act on it instead of just trying to use it as a bludgeon against everyone else.
2012-12-21 04:17:20 PM
1 votes:

Civil_War2_Time: Once again...Assets + Owner's Liability = Owner's Equity.

Love it! Moar!


Actually, it depends how you define liability.

I have $1 in assets and $1 in liabilities. What is my equity?
2012-12-21 03:47:39 PM
1 votes:
2012-12-21 02:49:10 PM
1 votes:

Civil_War2_Time: impaler: Civil_War2_Time: Define "very small."

And, you dodged the question of what job you got from a "poor" person. You said you got a job from a poor person, so I'm waiting to hear what that job was...

A $250K business that yields only $15K of actual profit does NOT mean that person (or family) only made $15K during that year. But, you knew that.

Worked for a mom and pop lumber store.

FYI, an LLC  that yields only $15K of actual profit DOES mean that person (or family) only made $15K during that year.

According to who/m? You?

Your former employers would go to jail if they ONLY claimed an "income" of $15K on their tax returns. They probably have $100K+ in revenues annually, and they have to report THAT, not their profits.


This my friends, is how you look like a completely ignorant farking buffoon. A+, well done, would read again, show to friends on facebook, and possibly post to reddit and 4chan for the lulz and delicious karma.

Aka, act Republican more, it's HILARIOUS.
2012-12-21 02:16:05 PM
1 votes:

DaCaptain19: I believe the U.S. Gov't (in the person of Barak Obama and others) perpetrated the Sandy Hook shooting


Why did you bother typing anything else after this? Everyone is too busy laughing at your lunacy to read the rest.
2012-12-21 01:48:41 PM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: knobmaker: Shouldn't those who deserve more criticism get more criticism?

Operating under the assumption that one side deserves more criticism than the other is called "bias".



No, it's called "a basic grasp of reality." In any conflict, one side always deserves more criticism than the other. The odds against both sides "being the same" are astronomical, and only a fool believes otherwise.
2012-12-21 01:11:53 PM
1 votes:

kombat_unit: Humm, how many of you have gotten a job from a poor person?


My roommate, who is poor as shiat due to several divorces and children, works as an independent contractor installing flooring. He routinely hires helpers when he lands a large job... Business has been slow for the last few years, but he's a poor person giving jobs to other people becuase there is ademand for the work, not because he's a rich guy who feels that his taxes are low enough that he should magnanimously hire people just for the hell of it.
2012-12-21 01:02:15 PM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: knobmaker: Shouldn't those who deserve more criticism get more criticism?

Operating under the assumption that one side deserves more criticism than the other is called "bias".

Not saying that a bias can't be correct, but it is what it is. If you're going to argue that journalists should be biased, I suppose that's a valid argument, if one I happen to disagree with.


So they only way not to show bias is to skew you reporting to show equality where there is not equality?"


If 100 house Democrats got arrested for DUI, and only 2 House Republicans did, is it bias to accurately report and reflect those numbers, or must only 2 of the Democratic cases be mentioned?
2012-12-21 12:59:59 PM
1 votes:
FTA: "Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Utah)"

Reid isn't from Utah, Reid is from Nevada. Utah hasn't had a Democratic Senator since 1977. I guess add the Washington Post to the list of liars.
2012-12-21 12:38:27 PM
1 votes:

kombat_unit: Humm, how many of you have gotten a job from a poor person?


I have. Most small-business owners aren't rich, and the vast majority of demand that creates jobs come from the poor and middle class.
2012-12-21 12:35:51 PM
1 votes:

vpb: It's fun to compare the sorts of "lies".

Harry Reid sad something that may or may not be true, but it's a lie because he can't prove it and Romney's Mommy accountants wrote a note saying that he paid taxes.


The the Chrysler claim:
Even more remarkable, the Romney campaign fiercely defended the ad, even as it came under harsh criticism from, among others, Chrysler.

They can list the same number of "lies" from each side to look "balanced", but they can't make the magnitude anything close to comparable.


Absent supporting evidence, Senator Reid's accusation was not credible and should not have been issued. While not technically a lie (which is possibly the best form of "not a lie"), presenting unsubstantiated and unverifiable claims is intellectually dishonest.

I will agree, however, that the advertisement released by Mr. Romney's campaign was of a greater magnitude of dishonesty, due to its being demonstrably false upon utterance.
2012-12-21 12:34:32 PM
1 votes:

xen0blue: TLDR: Obama claimed 90% of the nation's deficit was because of Bush's tax cuts. He also claimed it led to the great recession. Truth: About half of the deficit stemmed from the recession and forecasting errors, but a large chunk (44 percent in 2011) were the result of Obama's actions.

fark obama... I've never seen another president so callously willing to tear a country apart by his policies.


Not the full story. This list is a bit more complete. Of course, I assume you want to know. Probably a false assumption.


http://tinyurl.com/3o3v8rp
2012-12-21 12:33:56 PM
1 votes:

Robert1966: It's "its."


files.fraterslibertas.com
2012-12-21 12:18:46 PM
1 votes:
TLDR: Obama claimed 90% of the nation's deficit was because of Bush's tax cuts. He also claimed it led to the great recession. Truth: About half of the deficit stemmed from the recession and forecasting errors, but a large chunk (44 percent in 2011) were the result of Obama's actions.

fark obama... I've never seen another president so callously willing to tear a country apart by his policies.
2012-12-21 12:17:38 PM
1 votes:
I was hoping the current liberal "we only lie sometimes, but the GOP lies every time" meme would make the thread.

/so vote democrat
//because it's different when they do it
///keep the meme alive.
2012-12-21 12:15:20 PM
1 votes:

MilesTeg: Ambassador and other Americans assassinated and the democrats are still lying about it. You don't get much bigger than that.

Then again, everything out of a liberal's mouth is a lie. They have just brainwashed too many low intelligence sub-groups that it isn't.


If you see a burning building and you run inside, causing you to die from smoke inhalation, you were not assassinated.

Tragic, yes, but not 4 assassinations.
2012-12-21 12:11:35 PM
1 votes:
Is this the thread everybody flings poop at each other while claiming their own poop tastes like snozzberries?
2012-12-21 12:09:42 PM
1 votes:
Humm, how many of you have gotten a job from a poor person?
2012-12-21 12:06:40 PM
1 votes:
Today on "false equivalency theatre," a bunch of Republicans lied through their teeth with proof readily available of their heinous lies, one democrat said something that was mean and there's no proof of either way, and the president included the bush tax cuts as Bush's spending even though he wanted to continue them for middle class people to not crash the economy.

Stay tuned for the next episode of false equivalency theatre.
2012-12-21 12:06:32 PM
1 votes:
Is this the thread where people actually try to say that their party is more ethical than the other? Because my weak sauce swimming pool needs a refill.
2012-12-21 12:04:04 PM
1 votes:
Whenever anyone asserts that X group does Z as often as group Y does, I ask them to please name the mystical force which makes certain that this is so.

Egalitarian ideologies are good. Egalitarian social views are for fools. American blacks kill more people per capita than their white counterparts. Now, that's not good, but is it because they're blacker or because they're poorer? Is it because of what and who they are, or is it because of what and who the rest of us are? Is it a Black Problem or is it a Society Problem? Is the solution something to be done to black people or something that should be done FOR black people? Is this single violence statistic a mere symptom of a greater suffering that we ignore because it doesn' t happen in Nantucket or Martha's Vineyard?

To deny the fact is to deny the thought of WHY. Sometimes, the WHY is a very, very important thought that should be thought of by many people. Pretending that our two party system is either angels v demons OR demons v demons of completely equal malice is silly.
2012-12-21 12:03:22 PM
1 votes:

MilesTeg: Ambassador and other Americans assassinated and the democrats are still lying about it. You don't get much bigger than that.

Then again, everything out of a liberal's mouth is a lie. They have just brainwashed too many low intelligence sub-groups that it isn't.


4/10 not very creative but I'm sure you will get bites.
2012-12-21 11:58:48 AM
1 votes:

halfof33: Whar Rice, whar?

"The information, the best information and the best assessment we have today is that in fact this was not a preplanned, premeditated attack. That what happened initially was that it was a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in Cairo as a consequence of the video. People gathered outside the embassy and then it grew very violent and those with extremist ties joined the fray and came with heavy weapons, which unfortunately are quite common in post-revolutionary Libya and that then spun out of control."


The list obviously has a campaign focus.  You would have to balance that out with Romney's lie during the debate wouldn't you?

What incorrect details of these murders which the CIA provided an initial assessment of had vital importance to anything?  That there were protestors beforehand?  Or the specific motivation on the extremists/terrorists?   The former is irrelevant and the latter is still unknown.
2012-12-21 11:56:17 AM
1 votes:
www.thepaepae.com
2012-12-21 11:55:31 AM
1 votes:
Hurr, durr. The "other side" lies, so "our" lies are OK.

\you people sound like 6-year-olds.
\\wake me up when you find a politician that tells the truth
2012-12-21 11:53:07 AM
1 votes:
Both sides lie, and both sides have plenty to be ashamed of, but both side are not equally as bad. Dems mostly stick up for the little guys, while repubs mostly stick up for rich people (as if rich people actually need protection).
2012-12-21 11:45:59 AM
1 votes:
That is the shiattiest list of lies I've ever seen.

1) where's the welfare lie about Obama cutting the work requirement
2) we don't know if Reid was lying or not. First, he is telling us what someone told him.  Second, we don't know have the tax records to prove otherwise.  The consensus was that this was a dickish thing to say but not necessarily a lie.
3) Calling Romney's 12 million new jobs promise a lie?  Bullshiat promises is not the same as a lie.
4) The biggest lies of 2012 were just about the election?
 
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