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(Slate)   Slate is crowdsourcing all the gun deaths in the US since December 14   (slate.com) divider line 461
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2012-12-21 10:54:22 AM
Gotta love these instant greenlights, guess the mods are the type of people that piss themselves at the idea of firearms.
 
2012-12-21 10:55:55 AM
This means....something.
 
2012-12-21 10:57:49 AM
Then lets crowd source all the defensive gun uses !
 
2012-12-21 10:58:13 AM

duffblue: Gotta love these instant greenlights, guess the mods are the type of people that piss themselves at the idea of firearms.


Yep.

Because only a complete coward would think that gun nuts should have a few basic responsibilities placed on the acquisition and distribution of their deadly toys. I mean, it's not like any other rights come with limitations on their use based on the impact it can have on other people or anything.

The REAL tragedy here, after all, is that somebody might have to wait an extra day or two to get a gun or reload slightly more often at the local range. Truly a historical atrocity with no equal.
 
2012-12-21 10:58:36 AM
I bet the data is going to be racist
 
2012-12-21 10:59:16 AM
Vegan Meat Popsicle

Because the AWB worked so well last time right?.....but THIS time it will be DIFFERENT right?
 
2012-12-21 10:59:47 AM
Yeah "statistics" taken from a Twitter feed with the sole purpose of promoting the awareness of said "statistics" and being presented as factual...awesome.
 
2012-12-21 11:00:03 AM
Slant should count ALL the people that have died and compare the numbers.

Methinks that gun deaths will be down the list a bit....
 
2012-12-21 11:00:12 AM
Deaths in the U.S. Automobiles, which kill 117 Americans a day, or nearly 43,000 a year. Then comes flu, which (along with pneumonia, its associated disease) kills 36,000 people. Third is guns: 26,000 deaths. Fourth, food-borne illness: 5,000. And finally, terrorism, which in a typical year claims virtually no U.S. lives
 
2012-12-21 11:01:00 AM

bhcompy: I bet the data is going to be racist



All of the little people in the graph  are blah...
 
2012-12-21 11:01:24 AM

Deep Contact: Deaths in the U.S. Automobiles, which kill 117 Americans a day, or nearly 43,000 a year. Then comes flu, which (along with pneumonia, its associated disease) kills 36,000 people. Third is guns: 26,000 deaths. Fourth, food-borne illness: 5,000. And finally, terrorism, which in a typical year claims virtually no U.S. lives


Well, you could consider a random public murder suicide an act of terror. Israel does
 
2012-12-21 11:01:51 AM
Slate comments have taught me that firearm's only purpose is murder.
 
2012-12-21 11:01:58 AM

Virtue: Then lets crowd source all the defensive gun uses !


You can do whatever you want but considering studies have already been done on the matter that conclude that successful defensive gun incidents are fairly uncommon (even when you include "defensive" actions like chasing down an assailant after they've already begun to flee) you might want to look into the facts a little more closely before you make them there numbers too visible and hold them up next to the thousands of gun deaths that will occur in the coming year.
There's a reason gun nuts don't generally quote hard numbers and stick more to generic statements like "it won't work because culture". The numbers don't look very good from that side of the argument.
 
2012-12-21 11:02:28 AM
312 million people population...

Someone do a map of alcohol related deaths

Or choking on a ham sammich
 
2012-12-21 11:03:02 AM

Virtue: Because the AWB worked so well last time right?.....


You won't see me defending the AWB. It was a stupid and pointless POS.

The fact that the NRA neutered it and then chopped it off at the knees, however, is no reason not to do it properly this time around.
 
2012-12-21 11:03:20 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: duffblue: Gotta love these instant greenlights, guess the mods are the type of people that piss themselves at the idea of firearms.

Yep.

Because only a complete coward would think that gun nuts should have a few basic responsibilities placed on the acquisition and distribution of their deadly toys. I mean, it's not like any other rights come with limitations on their use based on the impact it can have on other people or anything.

The REAL tragedy here, after all, is that somebody might have to wait an extra day or two to get a gun or reload slightly more often at the local range. Truly a historical atrocity with no equal.


I've taken several gun safety classes, been waited the week I need before purchases, been background checked by the FBI, fingerprinted, etc. and keep my stuff locked in a safe . A few basic responsibilities are already in place. And I'm not against any of it. You are arguing against a strawman.
 
2012-12-21 11:03:25 AM
If you listen closely, you can hear Al-Quaeda laughing their assess off.
 
2012-12-21 11:03:44 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: duffblue: Gotta love these instant greenlights, guess the mods are the type of people that piss themselves at the idea of firearms.

Yep.

Because only a complete coward would think that gun nuts should have a few basic responsibilities placed on the acquisition and distribution of their deadly toys. I mean, it's not like any other rights come with limitations on their use based on the impact it can have on other people or anything.

The REAL tragedy here, after all, is that somebody might have to wait an extra day or two to get a gun or reload slightly more often at the local range. Truly a historical atrocity with no equal.


Millions of law abiding citizens should not have their rights restricted in an attempt to target the few crazies or gang bangers who decide that shooting fellow human beings is a sport..
 
2012-12-21 11:04:58 AM

duffblue: Gotta love these instant greenlights, guess the mods are the type of people that piss themselves at the idea of firearms.


Guess you're the type of person who pisses himself at the idea of drawing attention to the ugly side of your hobby.
 
2012-12-21 11:05:14 AM
If I can have a gun, shouldn't I also be allowed to have a nuclear tipped missile?
 
2012-12-21 11:05:28 AM
wow look how chill the west coast is, must be the weed...
 
2012-12-21 11:06:48 AM

WhippingBoy: If I can have a gun, shouldn't I also be allowed to have a nuclear tipped missile?


No, you'll shoot your eye out.
 
2012-12-21 11:06:59 AM
Serious question:

Who's the bigger pussy? The guy afraid of gun violence, or the guy afraid to face life without his gun?
 
2012-12-21 11:07:11 AM

WhippingBoy: If I can have a gun, shouldn't I also be allowed to have a nuclear tipped missile?


0/10.
 
2012-12-21 11:07:28 AM
Vegan Meat Popsicle

Completely UNTRUE.....defensive gun use studies using FBI crime stats place DGU at 800K to 2.5 million per year.....the only people who decry these studies are the anti gun nuts.
 
2012-12-21 11:07:34 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Virtue: Then lets crowd source all the defensive gun uses !

You can do whatever you want but considering studies have already been done on the matter that conclude that successful defensive gun incidents are fairly uncommon (even when you include "defensive" actions like chasing down an assailant after they've already begun to flee) you might want to look into the facts a little more closely before you make them there numbers too visible and hold them up next to the thousands of gun deaths that will occur in the coming year.
There's a reason gun nuts don't generally quote hard numbers and stick more to generic statements like "it won't work because culture". The numbers don't look very good from that side of the argument.


It's the same reason a lot of the Repubs wouldn't accept Nate Silver's analysis of the presidential race. Numbers have a liberal bias. Just let them go, if you let them get high on their own jenkem it makes their tears even more delicious later on when their side inevitably fails.

/tears marinated in jenkem
//I regret nothing
 
2012-12-21 11:07:54 AM
If it was really about saving lives we would ban cars.
 
2012-12-21 11:08:07 AM
Wow, a little icon of a kid has never been harder to look at.
 
2012-12-21 11:08:17 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: The fact that the NRA neutered it and then chopped it off at the knees, however, is no reason not to do it properly this time around.


So you want people to go around taking guns from law abiding citizens?
 
2012-12-21 11:08:19 AM

WhippingBoy: Serious question:

Who's the bigger pussy? The guy afraid of gun violence, or the guy afraid to face life without his gun?


-1/10

Would have given 0/10 if you could have a slipped a penis reference in there.
 
2012-12-21 11:09:29 AM

manimal2878: A few basic responsibilities are already in place


You are under no obligation to keep your guns secured. Completely the opposite. It is illegal for the government to tell you that you have to keep your guns secured. And unless you have a state law that says otherwise, you are under no obligation to complete a safety class.

But by all means, keep pretending your personal experience means anything at all.

BokChoy: Millions of law abiding citizens should not have their rights restricted in an attempt to target the few crazies or gang bangers who decide that shooting fellow human beings is a sport..


Wrong.

This is a long-settled legal matter. You do not have any absolute right and we are done discussing that particular "issue" since there is a clear and objective truth to it. Your rights can be curtailed to protect the rights of others, it's been litigated, the decision has been made, there is no further discussion to be had.
 
2012-12-21 11:09:31 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: The fact that the NRA neutered it and then chopped it off at the knees, however, is no reason not to do it properly this time around.


No, according to Fienstein, it was passed exactly the way her staff worded it without amendment.
 
2012-12-21 11:09:59 AM

manimal2878: Vegan Meat Popsicle: duffblue: Gotta love these instant greenlights, guess the mods are the type of people that piss themselves at the idea of firearms.

Yep.

Because only a complete coward would think that gun nuts should have a few basic responsibilities placed on the acquisition and distribution of their deadly toys. I mean, it's not like any other rights come with limitations on their use based on the impact it can have on other people or anything.

The REAL tragedy here, after all, is that somebody might have to wait an extra day or two to get a gun or reload slightly more often at the local range. Truly a historical atrocity with no equal.

I've taken several gun safety classes, been waited the week I need before purchases, been background checked by the FBI, fingerprinted, etc. and keep my stuff locked in a safe . A few basic responsibilities are already in place. And I'm not against any of it. You are arguing against a strawman.


Some people don't do those things. We need to make sure they don't have weapons.
 
2012-12-21 11:10:15 AM

WhippingBoy: If I can have a gun, shouldn't I also be allowed to have a nuclear tipped missile?


Retard.
 
2012-12-21 11:10:45 AM

Virtue: Vegan Meat Popsicle

Completely UNTRUE.....defensive gun use studies using FBI crime stats place DGU at 800K to 2.5 million per year.....the only people who decry these studies are the anti gun nuts.


Those numbers seem rather high. Link, please? (So these are studies performed by the FBI?)
 
2012-12-21 11:11:10 AM

WhippingBoy: Serious question:

Who's the bigger pussy? The guy afraid of gun violence, or the guy afraid to face life without his gun?


I'd say they are about the same.
 
2012-12-21 11:11:23 AM

WhippingBoy: If I can have a gun, shouldn't I also be allowed to have a nuclear tipped missile?


Of course because the weapon doesn't matter! If we took away guns people would go on mass fork stabbing sprees and the carnage would be unspeakable.
 
2012-12-21 11:11:39 AM
Cars kill more people every day and it's not like we're moving to make those things autonomous so they're taken out of human hands amirite?
 
2012-12-21 11:12:28 AM
The problem is all of the victims were unarmed. If more people carried guns these type of violent crimes would cease to exist. Children need to be given guns and trained how to properly use them.
 
2012-12-21 11:13:01 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: You are under no obligation to keep your guns secured. Completely the opposite. It is illegal for the government to tell you that you have to keep your guns secured. And unless you have a state law that says otherwise, you are under no obligation to complete a safety class.


You are completely mistaken, about the government not being able to tell you to keep the things locked up. Read the Heller decision. The whole thing.

Many states require the state law. I don't know why you are arguing that is a bad thing. Isn't it what you want?
 
2012-12-21 11:13:29 AM

manimal2878: WhippingBoy: If I can have a gun, shouldn't I also be allowed to have a nuclear tipped missile?

Retard.


I don't think he is. Answer one question: Does the amount of carnage one can inflict depend on the type of weapon one is using to commit said act of carnage?

Take all the time you need. There is only one correct answer. After you get it right we can have a meaningful conversation about gun control.
 
2012-12-21 11:14:03 AM
I love the fact that people in here are all pissed off that someone is trying to get a handle on gun death statistics. It's particularly amusing because the NRA has basically banned funding for those kind of studies.

America - where people get offended at very notion that we should gather information about something to try and understand it better.
 
2012-12-21 11:14:35 AM

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: Cars kill more people every day and it's not like we're moving to make those things autonomous so they're taken out of human hands amirite?


Yeah, not like that at all. Or maybe exactly like that.
 
2012-12-21 11:15:55 AM

Semi-Sane: The problem is all of the victims were unarmed. If more people carried guns these type of violent crimes would cease to exist. Children need to be given guns and trained how to properly use them.


I think everyone should have a device designed to instantly kill another person within arms reach at all times.
 
2012-12-21 11:16:07 AM

Incog_Neeto: If it was really about saving lives we would ban cars.


If it was really about your false equivalency you would be King Potato.
 
2012-12-21 11:16:36 AM

WhippingBoy: Serious question:

Who's the bigger pussy? The guy afraid of gun violence, or the guy afraid to face life without his gun?


The one afraid of an inanimate object.
 
2012-12-21 11:16:46 AM
Someone should upFarked this Slate link:

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/dear_prudence/2012/12/dear_prudenc e _is_it_ok_not_to_tell_the_baby_s_father_if_he_s_a_jerk.html
 
2012-12-21 11:17:54 AM

Carn: manimal2878: WhippingBoy: If I can have a gun, shouldn't I also be allowed to have a nuclear tipped missile?

Retard.

I don't think he is. Answer one question: Does the amount of carnage one can inflict depend on the type of weapon one is using to commit said act of carnage?

Take all the time you need. There is only one correct answer. After you get it right we can have a meaningful conversation about gun control.


What does you question have to do with the anything? There is a difference between arms, small arms, ordinance, and destructive devices. After you understand that you can join the meaningful discussion.
 
2012-12-21 11:18:12 AM

Thisbymaster: WhippingBoy: Serious question:

Who's the bigger pussy? The guy afraid of gun violence, or the guy afraid to face life without his gun?

The one afraid of an inanimate object.


So, the gun people then.
 
2012-12-21 11:18:46 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: duffblue: Gotta love these instant greenlights, guess the mods are the type of people that piss themselves at the idea of firearms.

Yep.

Because only a complete coward would think that gun nuts should have a few basic responsibilities placed on the acquisition and distribution of their deadly toys



I don't think "gun nuts" are responsible for the vast majority of the carnage.

That award would go to gangsters, etc.
 
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