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(Politico)   Pull back the curtain and look at Boehner's final days before Cantor and the Tea Partiers stab him on the steps of the House 44 times, shouting "death to Oompa Loompas"   (politico.com) divider line 117
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2012-12-21 09:59:12 AM
As much as I enjoy watching these idiots fail, their failures are the failures of our political system. It's a serious problem.
 
2012-12-21 10:00:03 AM
The Ohio Republican accepted that he couldn't change the minds of his House Republican Conference. He tried to convince them that, facing tough negotiations with President Barack Obama over the fiscal cliff, he needed them on his side - and he fell short

hmmm.  I can't tell if this means the rank and file lost faith in Boehner or if the GOP is starting to tear itself apart...well, either way I don't suppose it matters in the short term.  the Republicans are scattered and leaderless, while Obama and the Democrats are on the rise.  I have little doubt that the GOP pundits will try their level best to pin all this on Obama, making noises about recession and laying the groundwork for the next disaster to somehow be anyone's fault other than their own.  the super rich aren't getting a tax break either, which won't go over well for their plans of world domination.  Could Boehner be on his way out?  if he goes, who will rise to replace him?
 
2012-12-21 10:00:49 AM
ericcantor.us

"Freaks, Teabaggers, Conservadrips, lend me your ears."
 
2012-12-21 10:04:34 AM
So, if Cantor takes over for Boehner, who will take Cantor's job of providing the interpretive dance portion of the GOP's legislative process?
 
2012-12-21 10:10:39 AM
I suppose there's a certain purity to worshiping Khorne the Blood God.  you know where you stand (blood), you know the legislative goals (BLOOD!), and you know how to vote during budget time (BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!).  Might as well elect Cantor to replace Boehner.
 
2012-12-21 10:13:27 AM
Done in one.
 
2012-12-21 10:17:09 AM

Vodka Zombie: So, if Cantor takes over for Boehner, who will take Cantor's job of providing the interpretive dance portion of the GOP's legislative process?


stefanbc.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-21 10:26:18 AM
It would be nice if we could convince Congress that Country should come before Party.
 
2012-12-21 10:27:55 AM
This will be the last failure of the most incompetent Speaker of the House in American history.
 
2012-12-21 10:30:57 AM

Vodka Zombie: ...the interpretive dance portion of the GOP's legislative process?



Now is the time on Sprockets when we dance!
 
2012-12-21 10:34:04 AM

DamnYankees: As much as I enjoy watching these idiots fail, their failures are the failures of our political system. It's a serious problem.


And we're probably stuck with this broken political party until 2022.

www.tc.umn.edu
Pennsylvania. Obama won by ~5.4 points. Democrats won by ~1.4 points in total US House votes. Pennsylvania Democrats send 5 representatives to the House. Republicans send 13.
 
2012-12-21 10:35:07 AM

give me doughnuts: It would be nice if we could convince Congress that Country should come before Party.


After this go-around it doesn't look like it's Party.  It's Teabaggers.

But I guess you could argue that the party should have reined them in much sooner than this.  Mary Shelley laughs from beyond the grave.
 
2012-12-21 10:41:26 AM
Sic semper punnanis.
 
2012-12-21 10:49:41 AM
Et tu, derpe?
 
2012-12-21 10:49:54 AM

Lumpmoose: DamnYankees: As much as I enjoy watching these idiots fail, their failures are the failures of our political system. It's a serious problem.

And we're probably stuck with this broken political party until 2022.

[www.tc.umn.edu image 585x314]
Pennsylvania. Obama won by ~5.4 points. Democrats won by ~1.4 points in total US House votes. Pennsylvania Democrats send 5 representatives to the House. Republicans send 13.


More evidence that my solution to actual representative voting in Congress is the solution: a broad slate of candidates in every state.  For Pennsylvania, assume one of the Senators is up for re-election plus the House.  There is a single sheet of candidates, and the top vote getter goes to the Senate.  The next 18 go to the House.  People can still work a 'district' to get enough votes for a seat, or they can try for state-wide.  Obviously if an area feels unrepresented, a candidate will appear that speaks to their issues.  And it encourages 3rd parties.  They can just run a single candidate in the state, and could easily get one of the House seats.  Even if you only do that in big states, that's a minority party of 15 Reps, which could swing a lot of legislation.  And the Senate will truly have state-wide representation.
 
2012-12-21 10:55:15 AM

Diogenes: give me doughnuts: It would be nice if we could convince Congress that Country should come before Party.

After this go-around it doesn't look like it's Party.  It's Teabaggers.

But I guess you could argue that the party should have reined them in much sooner than this.  Mary Shelley laughs from beyond the grave.


You absolutely correct. The teaparty has more loyalty to outside groups like Heritage and Club for Growth than they do to the republican party. I think this means full on war between the teaparty and establishment republicans.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/boehner-budget-failure-cons er vative-groups_n_2342979.html
 
2012-12-21 10:59:17 AM

GAT_00: Lumpmoose: DamnYankees: As much as I enjoy watching these idiots fail, their failures are the failures of our political system. It's a serious problem.

And we're probably stuck with this broken political party until 2022.

[www.tc.umn.edu image 585x314]
Pennsylvania. Obama won by ~5.4 points. Democrats won by ~1.4 points in total US House votes. Pennsylvania Democrats send 5 representatives to the House. Republicans send 13.

More evidence that my solution to actual representative voting in Congress is the solution: a broad slate of candidates in every state.  For Pennsylvania, assume one of the Senators is up for re-election plus the House.  There is a single sheet of candidates, and the top vote getter goes to the Senate.  The next 18 go to the House.  People can still work a 'district' to get enough votes for a seat, or they can try for state-wide.  Obviously if an area feels unrepresented, a candidate will appear that speaks to their issues.  And it encourages 3rd parties.  They can just run a single candidate in the state, and could easily get one of the House seats.  Even if you only do that in big states, that's a minority party of 15 Reps, which could swing a lot of legislation.  And the Senate will truly have state-wide representation.


You've basically turned the House into a bigger, aggregated Senate at that point, which is against some pretty basic structures of the Constitution.  The point of the Senate vs. House is a compromise between rural and populous areas getting too much vs. too little representation.  People need local representatives in the House.

I think we need more independent systems or councils for determining districts.  It's necessary even if we have to pass a new bill or Constitutional amendment to force it for federal races.
 
2012-12-21 10:59:32 AM
"God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

Boehner nearly cried.


Again?
 
2012-12-21 11:08:44 AM

Lumpmoose: You've basically turned the House into a bigger, aggregated Senate at that point, which is against some pretty basic structures of the Constitution. The point of the Senate vs. House is a compromise between rural and populous areas getting too much vs. too little representation. People need local representatives in the House.


And why can't local reps still exist?  To keep with Pennsylvania, there won't be only city reps from this.  If 20 people are fighting for Philly's votes, it's likely that only a couple of them will get enough to get a seat.  Meanwhile people can collect broad swaths of farmland and speak only to rural issues and easily get enough to get a seat.  And besides, House seats are supposed to have even population distribution.  If 90% of the state reps are urban, that only means that 90% of the state is urban.  If anything, this is more representative than the current system, because you aren't restricted in your voting.
 
2012-12-21 11:11:25 AM
This has been one of the most extraordinary years in politics that I can remember.
 
2012-12-21 11:14:23 AM

Weaver95: I suppose there's a certain purity to worshiping Khorne the Blood God.  you know where you stand (blood), you know the legislative goals (BLOOD!), and you know how to vote during budget time (BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!).  Might as well elect Cantor to replace Boehner.


Thank you for giving me reason to finally change your Farky to "Political Khorne Worshipper"


That being said, Cantor is the last person I want to see as speaker. Remember in West Wing, the forgotten season (5) where we have the government shut down with the new young buck speaker? That's farking Cantor. He thinks he's the shiat and he's willing to let the government go down if it means the tea party will worship his cock from which he smote the mighty Boehner with.
 
2012-12-21 11:32:58 AM

GAT_00: Lumpmoose: You've basically turned the House into a bigger, aggregated Senate at that point, which is against some pretty basic structures of the Constitution. The point of the Senate vs. House is a compromise between rural and populous areas getting too much vs. too little representation. People need local representatives in the House.

And why can't local reps still exist?  To keep with Pennsylvania, there won't be only city reps from this.  If 20 people are fighting for Philly's votes, it's likely that only a couple of them will get enough to get a seat.  Meanwhile people can collect broad swaths of farmland and speak only to rural issues and easily get enough to get a seat.  And besides, House seats are supposed to have even population distribution.  If 90% of the state reps are urban, that only means that 90% of the state is urban.  If anything, this is more representative than the current system, because you aren't restricted in your voting.


If a rep "speaks only to rural issues" that doesn't mean they're speaking to rural issues in your area. This could create the situation where a rep isn't living within 100 miles of you.  Obviously this is unavoidable in big, low populated states like Wyoming.  But it should be mitigated based on population distribution.  Hence: districts.  House representatives are supposed to be very local, unlike senators that patrol an entire state.  Representation isn't just about policy.
 
2012-12-21 11:39:34 AM

DamnYankees: As much as I enjoy watching these idiots fail, their failures are the failures of our political system. It's a serious problem.


The trick is to try and keep the failures and their impact at the smallest sub-systems, such as for the individual politician or the political party, rather than the system as a whole.

give me doughnuts: It would be nice if we could convince Congress that Country should come before Party.


It would be nice if Party would fail before Country.

GAT_00: This will be the last failure of the most incompetent Speaker of the House in American history.


Even leaving aside a few historical competitors to the crown dunce cap, who can the Republicans field instead that would be any better? Eric Cantor? Kevin McCarthy? Paul Ryan? Michele Bachmann?

Though it's barely conceivable the GOP might fail to hold the Speakership (which would be a singular enough failure as a majority party to give Boehner an indisputable claim). As I understand, becoming Speaker of the House requires an absolute majority of the House membership, not merely a majority of the majority party.

At this point, it seems the Democrats should be looking for a Blue Dog to field as an alternative, and lobbying the most (relatively) liberal Republicans left standing.

somedude210: That being said, Cantor is the last person I want to see as speaker.


Bachmann isn't an impossibility.
 
2012-12-21 11:40:04 AM

Weaver95: The Ohio Republican accepted that he couldn't change the minds of his House Republican Conference. He tried to convince them that, facing tough negotiations with President Barack Obama over the fiscal cliff, he needed them on his side - and he fell short

hmmm.  I can't tell if this means the rank and file lost faith in Boehner or if the GOP is starting to tear itself apart...well, either way I don't suppose it matters in the short term.  the Republicans are scattered and leaderless, while Obama and the Democrats are on the rise.  I have little doubt that the GOP pundits will try their level best to pin all this on Obama, making noises about recession and laying the groundwork for the next disaster to somehow be anyone's fault other than their own.  the super rich aren't getting a tax break either, which won't go over well for their plans of world domination.  Could Boehner be on his way out?  if he goes, who will rise to replace him?


Last night was a vote of no confidence in Boehner's leadership. He's done and he knows it.
 
2012-12-21 11:42:03 AM

Lumpmoose: If a rep "speaks only to rural issues" that doesn't mean they're speaking to rural issues in your area. This could create the situation where a rep isn't living within 100 miles of you. Obviously this is unavoidable in big, low populated states like Wyoming. But it should be mitigated based on population distribution. Hence: districts. House representatives are supposed to be very local, unlike senators that patrol an entire state. Representation isn't just about policy.


And how is any of that not valid today?
 
2012-12-21 11:42:18 AM

abb3w: DamnYankees: As much as I enjoy watching these idiots fail, their failures are the failures of our political system. It's a serious problem.

The trick is to try and keep the failures and their impact at the smallest sub-systems, such as for the individual politician or the political party, rather than the system as a whole.

give me doughnuts: It would be nice if we could convince Congress that Country should come before Party.

It would be nice if Party would fail before Country.

GAT_00: This will be the last failure of the most incompetent Speaker of the House in American history.

Even leaving aside a few historical competitors to the crown dunce cap, who can the Republicans field instead that would be any better? Eric Cantor? Kevin McCarthy? Paul Ryan? Michele Bachmann?

Though it's barely conceivable the GOP might fail to hold the Speakership (which would be a singular enough failure as a majority party to give Boehner an indisputable claim). As I understand, becoming Speaker of the House requires an absolute majority of the House membership, not merely a majority of the majority party.

At this point, it seems the Democrats should be looking for a Blue Dog to field as an alternative, and lobbying the most (relatively) liberal Republicans left standing.

somedude210: That being said, Cantor is the last person I want to see as speaker.

Bachmann isn't an impossibility.


omg please please please
 
2012-12-21 11:43:47 AM

Diogenes: [ericcantor.us image 605x328]

"Freaks, Teabaggers, Conservadrips, lend me your ears."


I come not to bury the Chik Fil A chicken ceasar wrap, I come to fark it.
 
2012-12-21 11:46:26 AM

Infernalist: abb3w: DamnYankees: As much as I enjoy watching these idiots fail, their failures are the failures of our political system. It's a serious problem.

The trick is to try and keep the failures and their impact at the smallest sub-systems, such as for the individual politician or the political party, rather than the system as a whole.

give me doughnuts: It would be nice if we could convince Congress that Country should come before Party.

It would be nice if Party would fail before Country.

GAT_00: This will be the last failure of the most incompetent Speaker of the House in American history.

Even leaving aside a few historical competitors to the crown dunce cap, who can the Republicans field instead that would be any better? Eric Cantor? Kevin McCarthy? Paul Ryan? Michele Bachmann?

Though it's barely conceivable the GOP might fail to hold the Speakership (which would be a singular enough failure as a majority party to give Boehner an indisputable claim). As I understand, becoming Speaker of the House requires an absolute majority of the House membership, not merely a majority of the majority party.

At this point, it seems the Democrats should be looking for a Blue Dog to field as an alternative, and lobbying the most (relatively) liberal Republicans left standing.

somedude210: That being said, Cantor is the last person I want to see as speaker.

Bachmann isn't an impossibility.

omg please please please


NO! Shut up, we do not let the idiots run the House. Fark em, they lose now

/christ, I never thought I'd ever say this
//I prefer Boehner as Speaker
///at least compared to his derpy alternatives
 
2012-12-21 11:47:16 AM
When I read about the tea party I keep getting a metal picture of Trashcan Man from the Stand. "I serve you," uttered to Ayan Rand, Grover Norquist or Jesus but not the people of this country and the desire to see the world burn.

These jerks have taken politics to a religious fervor and forgotten about governance.
 
2012-12-21 11:48:12 AM

Weaver95: I suppose there's a certain purity to worshiping Khorne the Blood God.  you know where you stand (blood), you know the legislative goals (BLOOD!), and you know how to vote during budget time (BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!).  Might as well elect Cantor to replace Boehner.


Don't forget about the skulls.
 
2012-12-21 11:48:46 AM

somedude210: Infernalist: abb3w: DamnYankees: As much as I enjoy watching these idiots fail, their failures are the failures of our political system. It's a serious problem.

The trick is to try and keep the failures and their impact at the smallest sub-systems, such as for the individual politician or the political party, rather than the system as a whole.

give me doughnuts: It would be nice if we could convince Congress that Country should come before Party.

It would be nice if Party would fail before Country.

GAT_00: This will be the last failure of the most incompetent Speaker of the House in American history.

Even leaving aside a few historical competitors to the crown dunce cap, who can the Republicans field instead that would be any better? Eric Cantor? Kevin McCarthy? Paul Ryan? Michele Bachmann?

Though it's barely conceivable the GOP might fail to hold the Speakership (which would be a singular enough failure as a majority party to give Boehner an indisputable claim). As I understand, becoming Speaker of the House requires an absolute majority of the House membership, not merely a majority of the majority party.

At this point, it seems the Democrats should be looking for a Blue Dog to field as an alternative, and lobbying the most (relatively) liberal Republicans left standing.

somedude210: That being said, Cantor is the last person I want to see as speaker.

Bachmann isn't an impossibility.

omg please please please

NO! Shut up, we do not let the idiots run the House. Fark em, they lose now

/christ, I never thought I'd ever say this
//I prefer Boehner as Speaker
///at least compared to his derpy alternatives


Are you 'kidding'? Setting up the GOP for clown-shoes antics for the next two years? See them get destroyed in the 2014 elections and lose the House to the Democrats for the last two years of Obama's term? That would be utterly magnificent.
 
2012-12-21 11:54:57 AM

Infernalist: Are you 'kidding'? Setting up the GOP for clown-shoes antics for the next two years? See them get destroyed in the 2014 elections and lose the House to the Democrats for the last two years of Obama's term? That would be utterly magnificent.


Unfortunately, the collective memory is short enough that if there are serious side effects to lack of compromise, it's just as likely the Dems will be blamed as it is the Reps will be blamed.
 
2012-12-21 11:55:01 AM
I hope Cantor *does* become Speaker.

The Democrats will have a field day with that moron running things. With a full-on derper running the House, the American people will get an unadulterated taste of how stupid the Republicans - and conservatives in general - really are.
 
2012-12-21 11:55:03 AM
From another article:

Short of support from his own Republican Party, a chagrined speaker abruptly canceled a House vote Thursday night on his so-called Plan B. The measure would have prevented looming tax increases on everyone but people earning over $1 million annually, but was opposed by rank-and-file Republican lawmakers unwilling to vote for any tax increases at all.

When will these dipshiats figure out that THEY HAVE ALREADY VOTED FOR TAX INCREASES? The question is, are they willing to put aside their Obama derangement syndrome for a few minutes to vote to lower taxes again for some subset of the population
 
2012-12-21 11:57:15 AM
Poor Boehner. He can't side with the Teabaggers because the blame will fall completely on the GOP shoulders, and he can't compromise because the Teabaggers will tear his ass out.

Oops, did I say "poor" Boehner? What I meant was "f*ck that spineless excuse for a Speaker." What a coward. He literally decide to just walk away from everything, because as a leader he's a complete failure, and he's terrible at his job.
 
2012-12-21 11:57:20 AM

a_bilge_monkey: Infernalist: Are you 'kidding'? Setting up the GOP for clown-shoes antics for the next two years? See them get destroyed in the 2014 elections and lose the House to the Democrats for the last two years of Obama's term? That would be utterly magnificent.

Unfortunately, the collective memory is short enough that if there are serious side effects to lack of compromise, it's just as likely the Dems will be blamed as it is the Reps will be blamed.


You know, people say this a lot, but....

I don't see it in reality. Sure, in the past, before the internet, but these days people are REMEMBERING the failures of the past and the lies and such, because we have a permanent record of it on the internet and it's so easy to find and produce on demand.

I mean, people are STILL blaming Bush for the economy when popular wisdom says that Obama should be the one that they blame due to their short memory...
 
2012-12-21 11:58:10 AM

hillbillypharmacist: Et tu, derpe?


Word.

www.history.com
 
2012-12-21 11:59:13 AM

Infernalist: Are you 'kidding'? Setting up the GOP for clown-shoes antics for the next two years? See them get destroyed in the 2014 elections and lose the House to the Democrats for the last two years of Obama's term? That would be utterly magnificent.


Not when you're trying to keep them from blowing up the damn country, it's not. fark, at least Boehner can be reasonable when he wants to be. Cantor's a douche and I hope Boehner shuts him up and puts him in his place.

The party will fall, but I'd rather they fall without killing the country in the process

realmolo: I hope Cantor *does* become Speaker.

The Democrats will have a field day with that moron running things. With a full-on derper running the House, the American people will get an unadulterated taste of how stupid the Republicans - and conservatives in general - really are.


Hardly. That is pure fantasy right there. The derpers will stay and will win in some races. You know why? Cause their constituents were stupid enough to put them in, and they're stupid enough to keep them in. The House is the exception to the "Your party is stupid and you should feel stupid" rule of politics
 
2012-12-21 12:01:43 PM
Pull back the curtain and look at Boehner's final days before Cantor and the Tea Partiers stab him on the steps of the House 44 times, shouting "death to Oompa Loompas" "sic semper evello mortem aranjia"
 
2012-12-21 12:02:41 PM

Mentat: This has been one of the most extraordinary years in politics that I can remember.


The "so sweet you'd get cavities" schadenfreude of seeing Karl Rove meltdown on live TV was good enough for me. The rest has been gravy.
 
2012-12-21 12:02:51 PM

Weaver95: I suppose there's a certain purity to worshiping Khorne the Blood God.  you know where you stand (blood), you know the legislative goals (BLOOD!), and you know how to vote during budget time (BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!).  Might as well elect Cantor to replace Boehner.


But what about skulls? You can't just leave the skull lobby standing out in the cold.
 
2012-12-21 12:06:54 PM

DeltaPunch: Poor Boehner. He can't side with the Teabaggers because the blame will fall completely on the GOP shoulders, and he can't compromise because the Teabaggers will tear his ass out.

Oops, did I say "poor" Boehner? What I meant was "f*ck that spineless excuse for a Speaker." What a coward. He literally decide to just walk away from everything, because as a leader he's a complete failure, and he's terrible at his job.


If he had balls, he'd force votes on every proposal made thus far, just to embarrass the farkers that have humiliated him in front of the entire country.
 
2012-12-21 12:11:28 PM
It's was the derp of times, it's was the derpiest of times.
 
2012-12-21 12:15:00 PM
Every time I see the name Cantor, I think of this guy ...

deepasabirdbath.files.wordpress.com

... standing at the House of Representatives podium braving the storm of hot air swirling from both sides of the aisle.
 
2012-12-21 12:17:24 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: Weaver95: I suppose there's a certain purity to worshiping Khorne the Blood God.  you know where you stand (blood), you know the legislative goals (BLOOD!), and you know how to vote during budget time (BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!).  Might as well elect Cantor to replace Boehner.

But what about skulls? You can't just leave the skull lobby standing out in the cold.


I think we can make some sort of chair out of them.
 
2012-12-21 12:17:37 PM

max_pooper: Diogenes: [ericcantor.us image 605x328]

"Freaks, Teabaggers, Conservadrips, lend me your ears."

I come not to bury the Chik Fil A chicken ceasar wrap, I come to fark it.


Did the Chicken finally give up the ghost?
 
2012-12-21 12:18:24 PM
I wonder if the Dems could find a moderate Republican to vote for for speaker and convince a few moderates to cross the line.Thus electing a republican speaker that requires all the democrats to vote for.   Splitting the republicans and forcing them to work with the Democrats.

I know wishful thinking.
 
2012-12-21 12:22:39 PM

bmongar: I wonder if the Dems could find a moderate Republican to vote for for speaker and convince a few moderates to cross the line.Thus electing a republican speaker that requires all the democrats to vote for.   Splitting the republicans and forcing them to work with the Democrats.

I know wishful thinking.


nope, cliff here we come!
 
2012-12-21 12:30:00 PM
They don't seem to understand that by not making a deal, they're letting the Bush tax cuts expire. Taxes will go up and people will blame the GOP.

Obama has the bully pulpit and he'll use it.

Every democrat running against a GOP incumbent will campaign on "he raised your taxes"

I would like to think cooler heads will prevail, but i guess I forgot that the GOP apparently doesn't have any cooler heads.
 
2012-12-21 12:32:51 PM

somedude210: Weaver95: I suppose there's a certain purity to worshiping Khorne the Blood God.  you know where you stand (blood), you know the legislative goals (BLOOD!), and you know how to vote during budget time (BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!).  Might as well elect Cantor to replace Boehner.

Thank you for giving me reason to finally change your Farky to "Political Khorne Worshipper"


That being said, Cantor is the last person I want to see as speaker. Remember in West Wing, the forgotten season (5) where we have the government shut down with the new young buck speaker? That's farking Cantor. He thinks he's the shiat and he's willing to let the government go down if it means the tea party will worship his cock from which he smote the mighty Boehner with.


The more extreme they get, the more votes they lose. Bring it!
 
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