WinoRhino: Gosling: The fact that the Bushmaster AR-15 was legally purchased by the shooter's mom and that it was the gun used in the shooting isn't evidence enough for you?Someone steals my car and hits a pedestrian. Ban the Honda Civic.
FightDirector: thurstonxhowell: Dimensio: "Assault weapon" is a poor term with no established definition that is intentionally utilized to confuse civilian sporting rifles with military weapons."Civilian sporting rifle", when used to describe an AR-15, is one of the most ham-fisted attempts at political correctness I've ever seen.How about this? Is this a legitimate civilian sporting rifle?[i1.wp.com image 850x209]That firearm is a Mini-14, a rifle that can accept a magazine that holds 5, 10, 20, or 30 rounds (or larger). It fires a bullet approximately .223 inches wide, at a velocity of about 2800 feet per second. It can fire one - and ONLY one - round each time you pull the trigger.The scary man's firearm is an AR-15. It can accept a magazine that holds 5, 10, 20, or 30 rounds (or larger; Betamags can hold approx 100 rounds but have horrific jam rates). It fires a bullet approximately .223 inches wide, at a velocity of about 2800 feet per second. It can fire one - and ONLY one - round each time you pull the trigger. It is covered in black plastic, which makes it lighter and theoretically more impact-resistant. These facts are scary, yes? It looks like this:[blogs.suntimes.com image 850x250]They are, functionally, the SAME FARKING GUN. They shoot the same bullet, from magazines of the same size, at the same velocity. But one looks dammed scary, while one looks a lot like a hunting rifle you see on the wall.There is quite literally no way to word a gun ban - while being intellectually honest - that will make a difference (because you can get a gun that does the same thing - or more - in a different cosmetic package) or word one in such a way that will not become a *de facto* ban on ALL guns. And while the latter may be a desirable goal to some minds, there is simply no actual, practical way to make it happen, without setting the military loose on the civilian population in a house-to-house and turning our country into another Afghanistan-style military quagmire.
FightDirector: They are, functionally, the SAME FARKING GUN.
BolshyGreatYarblocks: A lot of American servicemen died in Vietnam because the North Vietnamese soldiers' AK-47s kept jamming? Is that the difference?
Southern100: LeMat was a 9-shot wasn't it?
Southern100: chuckufarlie: What happened that turned you into a whimpering coward? Why do you live in constant fear for your life while at the same time, you do not give a rat's ass about the lives of school children? It takes a real man to hide behind a bunch of children because you think somebody is out to kill you.As I said earlier in this thread, hundreds of school children are killed every year by drunk drivers. Are you going equally fight for a nationwide ban on all alcohol products?If not, why not? IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!
lordjupiter: [i.imgur.com image 633x728]
Duelist: Even if I have a 100 guns. How many can I carry/use at a time anyway? If you want to mow down a lot of people you want 1 gun with a lot of reloads. Then a spare in case of fouling. It is better if it takes the same ammo, but that may be impractical.
please: Thunderpipes: Why is a flash suppressor so bad? Always been curious about that. My M1A is not legal in CA because of that. Has there ever, even once, in this country, been a shooting that not having a flash suppressor would have been better?Nope. Perfect example of people who have no idea what they are talking about making regs about guns.
Magorn: Dimensio: T.M.S.: "Assault Rifle" is up there with "politically correct". Two terms that were stupid to coin in the first place and today are only used by those that feel oppressed by them."Assault rifle" is a technical term with an established definition."Assault weapon" is a poor term with no established definition that is intentionally utilized to confuse civilian sporting rifles with military weapons.How about we call it "Diet assault rifle" and call it a day? Would you be happy then. For one of of three positions on its selector switch the M-16 is functionally identical to the AR-15
Green Scorpio: dittybopper: I like to point out to people that guns are like golf clubs: You wouldn't play golf with just a 9 iron in your bag, would you? Of course not, you'd have clubs for all sorts of situations, woods, irons, at least one putter, a sand wedge, etc. Guns are the same way: They are all optimized for different situations. You wouldn't try to hunt pronghorns out west with an SKS, just like you wouldn't hunt swamp deer with a bolt action with a 10-power scope on it. You wouldn't use a .22 LR to hunt Elk or Moose, and you wouldn't use a .338 to hunt squirrels.You can kill someone with a golf club too. Maybe we should look into banning them
Evil Twin Skippy: Dimensio: Additional perspective is helpful:2011 murder statistics, weapon used:Rifle (any rifle, not just "assault weapons): 323Knife or other cutting tool: 1,694Unarmed attacks (hands, fists, feet, etc): 728And handguns?
Evil Twin Skippy: As a fan of guns, I still can't understand why any civilian needs a 30 round clip.We were at the range the other day with some friends, shooting some old .22 and a pistol. At the end of the range were two guys firing off an AR-15. (One of them was an instructor, methinks.) I have to admit, I gave it more than a good look. It was a nice firearm, and in the hands of an idiot he was making groupings that embarrassed we who were shooting Boy scout grade rifles with iron sights.Still, in a range setting, that puppy was WAY out of place. Somebody buying that thing is not in the same league with recreational shooters, hunters, and the like. That gun is really only good for mowing down human beings at a lot of them. It doesn't have the stopping power for big game. It is overkill for small game. There are even rules for bird hunting that limit shotguns to a 3 round magazine. 30 rounds is military load out, and has no place outside of war.
Gosling: Dimensio: Are you saying that she would not have purchased a functionally equivalent firearm had "Bushmaster" brand rifles been prohibited?She was a doomsday prepper. She would probably have bought ALL the guns if she had the chance, and all the other weapons up to and including Kung Lao's razor hat.Personally, part of the legislation I'd push for would include a limit on how many guns a specific person can own. There's no reason I can see why someone needs to have dozens and dozens of guns in the house. And a lot of these shootings involve the shooter amassing half an arsenal.
Endive Wombat: [i51.tinypic.com image 640x533]I still shake my head that during the height of the coverage of Sandy Hook, Megyn Kelly at Fox reported that the shooter is suspected to have a 9mm handgun and a Glock.
bungle_jr: LasersHurt: You and I all know that there is no term which would be found generally acceptable for semi-auto civilian versions of military weapons.i always thought "gun" was a perfect word. succinct, correct, poignant, with undertones of oak and berries
LasersHurt: You and I all know that there is no term which would be found generally acceptable for semi-auto civilian versions of military weapons.
thurstonxhowell: the media can get it right and gun nuts will still whine?Seriously, is there a whinier group of crybabies than gun owners? I certainly haven't encountered one.
CygnusDarius: Honest Bender: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]As opposed to, you know.... the other type of gun.This gun?[1.bp.blogspot.com image 192x290]
Dimensio: "Assault weapon" is a poor term with no established definition that is intentionally utilized to confuse civilian sporting rifles with military weapons.
Champion of the Sun: Waaaah, get the name of my toys right. Don't want me to snap and start using them. Waaaah
Rufus Lee King: Oh, God. Not again.
thurstonxhowell: So the media can get it right and gun nuts will still whine?Seriously, is there a whinier group of crybabies than gun owners? I certainly haven't encountered one.
Honest Bender: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]As opposed to, you know.... the other type of gun.
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