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(Talking Points Memo)   The history of the AR-15, the gun used at Sandy Hook. Since the media doing this, I'm impressed we're not looking at a picture of the AK-47. I mean, they're both assault rifles and both have "A" in their name   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 667
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2012-12-21 07:41:00 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: [img72.imageshack.us image 478x359]
I AM THE NRA!


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2012-12-21 07:53:53 PM  

LasersHurt: the.swartz: Too bad we are not putting nearly as much energy in taking care of what is very likely a mental health situation. I'd rather cure/control crazy than harp on anything else right now.

Are you just ignoring the calls for mental health access? The president himself calling for increased access to care?


I am not ignoring anything about these two issues. Just indicating my thoughts on the disparate energy being spent.

Too much weight on gun control and not nearly enough on mental health. Far too much.
 
2012-12-21 08:06:04 PM  

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: If you have a child with a mental illness, put your guns in one of these, and keep the combination to yourself.
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Put your chid in one of those, and keep the combination to yourself.
 
2012-12-21 08:09:02 PM  

chuckufarlie: Instead of arguing about what is or is not an assault thingee, just ban all guns that have a magazine or a clip. Then confiscate the ones already out there.

And the pissing contest would be over.


It's a shame you have the right to vote....Maybe we should just remove your right to voice you opinion. You evidently wouldn't have an issue with that since you don't understand the basics of the bill of rights.
 
2012-12-21 08:20:45 PM  

LasersHurt: Eponymous: Absolutely it is an assault rifle....it is scary looking. Just one glance at something so dangerous would cause Barney Frank to break out in menstrual cramps.

Why are people pretending that this is the issue? So they can just ignore it rather than address it on a mature level?


Pretending...more like mocking? The lefties have no understanding of the topic they are trying to legislate (sound anything like healthcare?)....so they are talking about dusting off Feinstein's previous AWB bill. It figured out which guns to ban based on asthetic features such as: adjustable stock, a foregrip, a barrel shroud, a flash suppressor/muzzle brake, a pistol grip, or a magazine outside of the pistol grip. These items in now way make a gun more useful or more deadly as an "assault weapon". These "features" are mostly aesthetics that can easly apply to other semi-auto rifles like the Ruger 10/22 (the most popular .22 rimfire rifle).
 
2012-12-21 08:44:19 PM  

LasersHurt: You and I all know that there is no term which would be found generally acceptable for semi-auto civilian versions of military weapons.


The M16 is a military version of the AR-15, a civilian weapon.
 
2012-12-21 08:47:00 PM  

dittybopper: chuckufarlie: dittybopper: chuckufarlie: jigger: chuckufarlie: [bobbiblogger.files.wordpress.com image 400x205]

Thank you, 2nd amendment.

the 2nd Amendment is totally out of date. It can and should be repealed. Don't act like it cannot be repealed.

OK. Go ahead. Get it repealed. I'll wait.

Until such time as you can manage that, though, it's still US law, and it must be obeyed.

I never said that it should not be, moron.

First, this is Fark. It is spelled "moran" here. Get with the program.

Secondly, you are under the mistaken impression that the prefatory clause of the Second Amendment modifies the operative clause:

chuckufarlie 2012-12-21 02:39:09 PM
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Are you under the impression that all of you gun nutz are somehow a well regulated militia?

As a matter of settled US law, we don't have to be in an organized militia. And in fact, that's been settled law since at *LEAST* 1939.


So the Bill of Rights is a farce? If being part of a well-regulated miltia is not a pre-requisite for owning guns - as the Bill clearly states - and that's settled, what worth has the rest of the document? Parts of it can be ignored if lobbyists pile enough money behind their own cause?
 
2012-12-21 09:12:59 PM  

iron de havilland: dittybopper: chuckufarlie: dittybopper: chuckufarlie: jigger: chuckufarlie: [bobbiblogger.files.wordpress.com image 400x205]

Thank you, 2nd amendment.

the 2nd Amendment is totally out of date. It can and should be repealed. Don't act like it cannot be repealed.

OK. Go ahead. Get it repealed. I'll wait.

Until such time as you can manage that, though, it's still US law, and it must be obeyed.

I never said that it should not be, moron.

First, this is Fark. It is spelled "moran" here. Get with the program.

Secondly, you are under the mistaken impression that the prefatory clause of the Second Amendment modifies the operative clause:

chuckufarlie 2012-12-21 02:39:09 PM
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Are you under the impression that all of you gun nutz are somehow a well regulated militia?

As a matter of settled US law, we don't have to be in an organized militia. And in fact, that's been settled law since at *LEAST* 1939.

So the Bill of Rights is a farce? If being part of a well-regulated miltia is not a pre-requisite for owning guns - as the Bill clearly states - and that's settled, what worth has the rest of the document? Parts of it can be ignored if lobbyists pile enough money behind their own cause?


Being part of a militia is not a pre-requisite to being armed. An armed populace is a pre-requisite for having a well regulated militia. Put another way, the  right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed because a well regulated militia is necessary for the security of a free state.
 
2012-12-21 09:53:22 PM  

badhatharry: An armed populace is a pre-requisite for having a well regulated militia.


We have an armed populace, apparently. WHERE is the Militia that springs forth from this?
 
2012-12-21 09:57:04 PM  

Eponymous: chuckufarlie: Instead of arguing about what is or is not an assault thingee, just ban all guns that have a magazine or a clip. Then confiscate the ones already out there.

And the pissing contest would be over.

It's a shame you have the right to vote....Maybe we should just remove your right to voice you opinion. You evidently wouldn't have an issue with that since you don't understand the basics of the bill of rights.


In order to protect your 2nd Amendment rights, you want to take away my 1st Amendment rights and take away my right to vote.

You are a pathetic little worm.

There is nothing in the Bill of RIghts that states what type of gun you can own. That was an interpretation made by the Courts and those can be changed easily.
 
2012-12-21 10:03:03 PM  

parkthebus: chuckufarlie:
Instead of addressing the mechanism that sends the bullets down the barrel, we should address the rate of fire possible with those guns. About two a minute should be enough for anybody.

Clearly you have never hunted ducks, geese, pheasant, or grouse.  As birds, they fly and while I would like to kill the bird on the first shot, more often then not I am adjusting my lead on the second or third shot.


Yes, but get caught by the game warden with shotgun that has a magazine capacity greater than three and enjoy your world of hurt.
 
2012-12-21 10:08:52 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: badhatharry: An armed populace is a pre-requisite for having a well regulated militia.

We have an armed populace, apparently. WHERE is the Militia that springs forth from this?


I guess it could possibly get back together. A well regulated militia is only necessary for the security of a free state. As a balance to the standing army. We gave up on that years ago.
 
2012-12-21 11:12:46 PM  

chuckufarlie: Eponymous: chuckufarlie: Instead of arguing about what is or is not an assault thingee, just ban all guns that have a magazine or a clip. Then confiscate the ones already out there.

And the pissing contest would be over.

It's a shame you have the right to vote....Maybe we should just remove your right to voice you opinion. You evidently wouldn't have an issue with that since you don't understand the basics of the bill of rights.

In order to protect your 2nd Amendment rights, you want to take away my 1st Amendment rights and take away my right to vote.

You are a pathetic little worm.

There is nothing in the Bill of RIghts that states what type of gun you can own. That was an interpretation made by the Courts and those can be changed easily.


Typical leftist sheep you are....quick to remove someone else's right....but you cry like a butthurt preschooler when some recommends a similar course of action for you. I suggest you look up the word infringe sometime.... maybe you can look it up on your obamaphone. That is if you can get a signal in your mom's basement.
 
2012-12-21 11:42:45 PM  

clane: Do all you cowards realize that an assault rifle will kill you just as fast as a hunting rifle? Just because a gun looks scary doesn't make it more deadly.

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I'm a little late to the party on this one, but actually, you're a little bit wrong. An assault rifle fires and intermediate round which, in the case of 5.56mm, is designed not to instantly kill. The object of warfare in the real world isn't like the say in the movies. It's not to kill the other guy, but to kill or put them out of commission. If you kill them, good, another baddie down. If you incapacitate them, then it takes two men out of combat as their buddy is likely to stop shooting in an attempt to help them, get them a medic, whatever.

A hunting round is designed to knock down and kill a much larger target than a human being very, very fast. In fact, some of our favorite and most used hunting rounds were actually military rounds that proved to be overkill. .30-06, .308 (7.62NATO), .303, 8mm Mauser, etc. Now, if you've ever seen what 5.56/.223 or 7.62x39 do in ballistics gel compared to say, .308 or 7.62x54R, you know that the latter leave much, much bigger holes, cause much greater damage to internal organs and tissue from the shock wave, and splinter bone really nicely, meaning it's tougher to abrade the wound and keep it from turning septic. What's more, those more powerful "hunting" rounds will punch through a lot more cover. Be it a car door, or a classroom door, someone with a fast bolt-action (straight pull) or a self-loading non-assault rifle is going to be able to do far more damage than someone with an AR or AK platform weapon. I'd hate to see what would happen if someone went apeshiat with a SVT-40. Of course, if you really, really, really want to kill someone though, and leave no doubt about it. Segmented foster slugs in 3" 12ga shells are going to do the job every time. Even if you're wearing a vest, they're going to break ribs and puncture lungs. There's a reason I keep those and wax-slugs in the saddle on the Maverick-88 in the biometric safe at the house....
 
2012-12-22 09:48:04 AM  

tallen702: clane: Do all you cowards realize that an assault rifle will kill you just as fast as a hunting rifle? Just because a gun looks scary doesn't make it more deadly.

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I'm a little late to the party on this one, but actually, you're a little bit wrong. An assault rifle fires and intermediate round which, in the case of 5.56mm, is designed not to instantly kill. The object of warfare in the real world isn't like the say in the movies. It's not to kill the other guy, but to kill or put them out of commission. If you kill them, good, another baddie down. If you incapacitate them, then it takes two men out of combat as their buddy is likely to stop shooting in an attempt to help them, get them a medic, whatever.

A hunting round is designed to knock down and kill a much larger target than a human being very, very fast. In fact, some of our favorite and most used hunting rounds were actually military rounds that proved to be overkill. .30-06, .308 (7.62NATO), .303, 8mm Mauser, etc. Now, if you've ever seen what 5.56/.223 or 7.62x39 do in ballistics gel compared to say, .308 or 7.62x54R, you know that the latter leave much, much bigger holes, cause much greater damage to internal organs and tissue from the shock wave, and splinter bone really nicely, meaning it's tougher to abrade the wound and keep it from turning septic. What's more, those more powerful "hunting" rounds will punch through a lot more cover. Be it a car door, or a classroom door, someone with a fast bolt-action (straight pull) or a self-loading non-assault rifle is going to be able to do far more damage than someone with an AR or AK platform weapon. I'd hate to see what would happen if someone went apeshiat with a SVT-40. Of course, if you really, really, really want to kill someone though, and leave no doubt about it. Segmented foster slugs in 3" 12ga shells are going to do the job every time. Even if you're wearing a vest, they' ...



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2012-12-22 10:10:38 AM  
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