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2012-12-21 03:53:32 PM  

chuckufarlie: Oh, I have better than a clue. I have something that you will never have, a functioning brain. Of course people could walk around with lots of muzzle loaders or pistols. Using that type of a weapon to shoot down a lot of people would slow the shooter down. It would take just a little bit of time to drop one gun and grab another or to replace the cylinder. In that amount of time, people could get away or somebody could rush the shooter. The shooter might kill five or six people, but not twenty-six.

Is that a perfect solution? No. It is a compromise that allows paranoid cowards the option to arm themselves against that imagined threat and it allows people to go hunting.

And that is the point, by banning and confiscating rifles that use magazines or clips, you can still protect yourself and you can still go hunting. And it makes it a lot harder to kill a lot of people in a short period of time.

Do you have a problem with making it harder to kill a lot of people in a short period of time?


Why do you hate children? More children are killed by pools every year than firearms, yet you continue to allow those children to die. Why do you want children to die? Do you have a problem with making it harder for children to die in pools?
 
2012-12-21 03:54:57 PM  

chuckufarlie: dittybopper: chuckufarlie: There is no such thing as settled law in the USA. When are you going to get that through your thick head?

Oh, so slavery is still on the table? That's what you are saying, right?

You and your gun nutz think that abortion is still on the table. Why is gun control any different.


No I don't. Roe v. Wade is settled law. I'm OK with that, and always have been. In fact, when I was a wee lad, at the time that Roe v. Wade was in the news, I was attending a Catholic school, and they had us write letters saying how bad throwing babies out in the trash was. It was only later that I realized what was happening: The church was using 2nd graders in a cynical attempt to influence the law. Left a very bad taste in my mouth.

Also, I'm a foster parent. I *SEE* parents that shouldn't have had children all the time.

I think you have me mistaken for some kind of Republican. That's *YOUR* mistake.


And no, slavery is not still on the table. You can put that dream away.


It's called "reductio ad absurdum".
 
2012-12-21 03:55:39 PM  

brax33: Evil Twin Skippy:
Still, in a range setting, that puppy was WAY out of place. Somebody buying that thing is not in the same league with recreational shooters, hunters, and the like. That gun is really only good for mowing down human beings at a lot of them. It doesn't have the stopping power for big game. It is overkill for small game. There are even rules for bird hunting that limit shotguns to a 3 round magazine. 30 rounds is military load out, and has no place outside of war.


So apparently you're of the opinion that war could never come to our shores? Or of the opinion that our government could never become corrupt and evil and revolution could not be needed? The 2nd Amendment is there to protect our citizens from a tyrannical government, OUR government, if it becomes that way. The 2A is there to keep our government in check, not the other way around. Otherwise you end up with a runaway government like the UK or Australia where even porn is censored out of games, and you have to ask your social betters pretty please to buy a butter knife.

The second amendment isn't there just for hunting, or even sport shooting. It has a very real and important reason for existing. Freedom comes with a price, and unfortunately sometimes that price is paid in blood.


I dunno, I have seen a lot of mooj videos in the last few years, their assault rifles were not 1 bit of help when the hellfire dropped on their heads. If the US Govt/military were to go after its own people, all the guns in the world isn't going to be enough to protect you.
 
2012-12-21 03:55:42 PM  

ronaprhys: chuckufarlie: OMG, you truly are stupid. Of course prohibition is gone. The point is that there was a Amendment that made prohibition the law of the land. Several years later, an Amendment was adopted that repealed prohibition and that initial Amendment.

What is or is not Constitutional is not chiseled in stone. The concept changes with a change in thinking of our society. The simple proof of this is that there is a process in place to change the Constitution.

But you said that no matter in US law was settled. However, you've now said that prohibition and slavery are settled. How can nothing be settled but some things are settled. Do you even read what you're typing?

Would you like a course on how easy is it machine metal into a firearm next?


I never said that prohibition is gone for good. What I said was that it is gone. I never said that it cannot come back.

Slavery is settled because owning other people is wrong on many levels. It should never have been in the Constitution and it had no business being in it.


Try to understand - nothing in the Constitution or in the Amendments is eternal, nothing is chiseled in stone. Changes have been made in the past and they can be made again. None of your stupidity is going to change that.
 
2012-12-21 03:58:33 PM  
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2012-12-21 04:00:45 PM  

thurstonxhowell: So the media can get it right and gun nuts will still whine?

Seriously, is there a whinier group of crybabies than gun owners? I certainly haven't encountered one.


Potheads. Have you ever listened to someone who smokes at least an ounce a day (and has NEVER been in trouble with the law for it) complain because the thing they love most in this world is illegal to have?
 
2012-12-21 04:01:30 PM  

dittybopper: chuckufarlie: dittybopper: chuckufarlie: There is no such thing as settled law in the USA. When are you going to get that through your thick head?

Oh, so slavery is still on the table? That's what you are saying, right?

You and your gun nutz think that abortion is still on the table. Why is gun control any different.

No I don't. Roe v. Wade is settled law. I'm OK with that, and always have been. In fact, when I was a wee lad, at the time that Roe v. Wade was in the news, I was attending a Catholic school, and they had us write letters saying how bad throwing babies out in the trash was. It was only later that I realized what was happening: The church was using 2nd graders in a cynical attempt to influence the law. Left a very bad taste in my mouth.

Also, I'm a foster parent. I *SEE* parents that shouldn't have had children all the time.

I think you have me mistaken for some kind of Republican. That's *YOUR* mistake.


And no, slavery is not still on the table. You can put that dream away.

It's called "reductio ad absurdum".


why am I not surprised that you misapplied that as well?

I never said that slavery was still on the table. In fact, I was very clear about that. Any sane, thinking person would see that. You are neither.

Roe vs. Wade is not settled law. There is no such thing as settled law. Slavery does not fall under this because owning other people is just wrong. The majority of the people in this country understand that. And what is or is not legal is based on the will of the people. The will of the people is not going to change to allow the return of slavery.

The will of the people can change concerning gun control.

I repeat: There is no such thing as settled law in the USA. When are you going to get that through your thick head? And just so you do not bring it up again, Slavery is out of the picture because that is the way that the majority wants it.
 
2012-12-21 04:04:33 PM  

chuckufarlie: Oh, I have better than a clue. I have something that you will never have, a functioning brain. Of course people could walk around with lots of muzzle loaders or pistols. Using that type of a weapon to shoot down a lot of people would slow the shooter down. It would take just a little bit of time to drop one gun and grab another or to replace the cylinder. In that amount of time, people could get away or somebody could rush the shooter. The shooter might kill five or six people, but not twenty-six.


Really? Four revolvers, two in each hand, two in holsters. Shoot six shots with right hand, while dropping that one shoots with left hand, rinse and repeat. Took me all of 30 seconds to think up the mechanics of it.

And if the revolvers are double action like a Starr, it's as fast as any semi-automatic. If they are similar to a LeMat, that's 40 rounds without having to pause.
 
2012-12-21 04:05:39 PM  

900RR: Evil Twin Skippy: As a fan of guns, I still can't understand why any civilian needs a 30 round clip.

We were at the range the other day with some friends, shooting some old .22 and a pistol. At the end of the range were two guys firing off an AR-15. (One of them was an instructor, methinks.) I have to admit, I gave it more than a good look. It was a nice firearm, and in the hands of an idiot he was making groupings that embarrassed we who were shooting Boy scout grade rifles with iron sights.

Still, in a range setting, that puppy was WAY out of place. Somebody buying that thing is not in the same league with recreational shooters, hunters, and the like. That gun is really only good for mowing down human beings at a lot of them. It doesn't have the stopping power for big game. It is overkill for small game. There are even rules for bird hunting that limit shotguns to a 3 round magazine. 30 rounds is military load out, and has no place outside of war.

As a "fan of guns", shut the hell up; you aren't helping. You are just another twit that doesn't understand why we even have the 2nd amendment, so zip it, ok?

The 2nd amendment wasn't written to protect your right to go deer or duck hunting. It was written to affirm your ability to own the meanest military small arms of the time to protect your liberties from tyrants. Period. End of story. Back then it was a smooth-bore musket. Now it's an M-16. This "sporting use" nonsense was created by gun grabbers to justify the divide and conquer method of gun control, finally leading to complete prohibition (which the true goal of all of them, regardless of what they may or may not say publicly).


No, the second amendment is ambiguously worded CYA in an era where all it took was a nutter or two two keep the Constitution from being passed. The LAW is how the second amendment has been interpreted by the Supreme court.

Or did you not read that who Article I, II, and III that came before the "Admendments"?
 
2012-12-21 04:06:27 PM  

ronaprhys: chuckufarlie: Oh, I have better than a clue. I have something that you will never have, a functioning brain. Of course people could walk around with lots of muzzle loaders or pistols. Using that type of a weapon to shoot down a lot of people would slow the shooter down. It would take just a little bit of time to drop one gun and grab another or to replace the cylinder. In that amount of time, people could get away or somebody could rush the shooter. The shooter might kill five or six people, but not twenty-six.

Is that a perfect solution? No. It is a compromise that allows paranoid cowards the option to arm themselves against that imagined threat and it allows people to go hunting.

And that is the point, by banning and confiscating rifles that use magazines or clips, you can still protect yourself and you can still go hunting. And it makes it a lot harder to kill a lot of people in a short period of time.

Do you have a problem with making it harder to kill a lot of people in a short period of time?

Why do you hate children? More children are killed by pools every year than firearms, yet you continue to allow those children to die. Why do you want children to die? Do you have a problem with making it harder for children to die in pools?


There are all sorts of laws in place across the country to provide safety with swimming pools. Any public pool or beach has life guards on duty to help protect the children and the adults.

Your stupid arguments about me hating children because if kids dying in swimming pools is just an attempt to deflect the argument. The one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

I am against rifles that serve no purpose other than to kill a lot of people in a short period of time. They serve no useful purpose. Swimming pools do serve a useful purpose. For one thing, they are used to train children how to swim so that they will not drown. There is no good use for rifles that do nothing be kill lots of people in a short period of time.
 
2012-12-21 04:08:47 PM  

dittybopper: chuckufarlie: Oh, I have better than a clue. I have something that you will never have, a functioning brain. Of course people could walk around with lots of muzzle loaders or pistols. Using that type of a weapon to shoot down a lot of people would slow the shooter down. It would take just a little bit of time to drop one gun and grab another or to replace the cylinder. In that amount of time, people could get away or somebody could rush the shooter. The shooter might kill five or six people, but not twenty-six.

Really? Four revolvers, two in each hand, two in holsters. Shoot six shots with right hand, while dropping that one shoots with left hand, rinse and repeat. Took me all of 30 seconds to think up the mechanics of it.

And if the revolvers are double action like a Starr, it's as fast as any semi-automatic. If they are similar to a LeMat, that's 40 rounds without having to pause.


And in the period that it takes to reload that revolver, people can get away or they can jump the shooter.

A 40 round Lemat revolver?? You really are an idiot.
 
2012-12-21 04:10:13 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: clane: Do all you cowards realize that an assault rifle will kill you just as fast as a hunting rifle? Just because a gun looks scary doesn't make it more deadly.

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Somebody needs to teach that girl about trigger discipline. Of course, nobody would give a gun to an untraind child, right?


There was a gun in that picture?
 
2012-12-21 04:11:03 PM  

chuckufarlie: why am I not surprised that you misapplied that as well?

I never said that slavery was still on the table. In fact, I was very clear about that. Any sane, thinking person would see that. You are neither.


I didn't say *YOU* were using it, I meant *I* was using reductio ad absurdum to show that what you said was wrong.

Roe vs. Wade is not settled law. There is no such thing as settled law. Slavery does not fall under this because owning other people is just wrong. The majority of the people in this country understand that. And what is or is not legal is based on the will of the people. The will of the people is not going to change to allow the return of slavery.


You don't know that, unless you are psychic. No, it's not going to happen tomorrow, or 20 years from now, but can you guarantee that 200 or 300 years from now that the will of the people will be against it? Of course you can't.

The will of the people can change concerning gun control.


And it has in the last 30 years, to be against gun control. Sucks to be you, I guess, but hey, chin up, maybe it will change in a few decades. Eat healthy, get some exercise, don't get so worked up about it, and maybe you'll live to see gun control become fashionable again.
 
2012-12-21 04:14:39 PM  

chuckufarlie: A 40 round Lemat revolver?? You really are an idiot.


I see math is not your strong point, so I will spell it out for you:

Each LeMat holds 10 rounds, 9 in the cylinder, 1 in the central barrel. If you have four of them, the equation is

4 revolvers * 10 rounds per revolver = 40 total rounds.

I mean, even my third-grader son knows how to do math that simple.
 
2012-12-21 04:15:44 PM  

dittybopper: chuckufarlie: A 40 round Lemat revolver?? You really are an idiot.

I see math is not your strong point, so I will spell it out for you:

Each LeMat holds 10 rounds, 9 in the cylinder, 1 in the central barrel. If you have four of them, the equation is

4 revolvers * 10 rounds per revolver = 40 total rounds.

I mean, even my third-grader son knows how to do math that simple.


And he probably can aim better than you if you need 40 rounds to drop a target.
 
2012-12-21 04:15:46 PM  
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2012-12-21 04:18:01 PM  

chuckufarlie: ronaprhys: chuckufarlie: Something that is CONSIDERED Constitutional one day is often not CONSIDERED to be Constitutional a week later. The make up of the SCOTUS changes over time. That means that what is or is not Constitutional also changes.

You really have no idea how this country functions, do you??

Well, that's demonstrably false (the constant changing of what is and isn't Constitutional). Did you fail history class, too? I mean, along with failing Civics and American Government? Please, by all means keep this up. It's an amusing trail of discovery here. Who would've thought that someone who could actually get onto the internets could be so uneducated.

Ever hear of prohibition? What about the people fighting against abortion? Prohibition was considered Constitutional and then it wasn't. Abortion is Constitutional and yet people are still fighting against it.


Ever hear of the 18th and 21st amendments? Prohibition was never "considered" Constitutional - they had to pass an amendment to MAKE it constitutional. Obviously you must've skipped school that day.

You're not going to pass a constitutional amendment for the prohibition of firearms. Not in 38 states.
 
2012-12-21 04:20:33 PM  

chuckufarlie: There are all sorts of laws in place across the country to provide safety with swimming pools. Any public pool or beach has life guards on duty to help protect the children and the adults.

Your stupid arguments about me hating children because if kids dying in swimming pools is just an attempt to deflect the argument. The one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

I am against rifles that serve no purpose other than to kill a lot of people in a short period of time. They serve no useful purpose. Swimming pools do serve a useful purpose. For one thing, they are used to train children how to swim so that they will not drown. There is no good use for rifles that do nothing be kill lots of people in a short period of time.


So you do hate children. I'm glad we could clear that up. It's obvious that the laws aren't working because more children are dying via drowning that via firearms. Yet you continue to ignore that problem and focus on the lesser.

You are incredibly callous. It's actually a shame to see someone as cynical as you.

chuckufarlie: I never said that prohibition is gone for good. What I said was that it is gone. I never said that it cannot come back.

Slavery is settled because owning other people is wrong on many levels. It should never have been in the Constitution and it had no business being in it.


Try to understand - nothing in the Constitution or in the Amendments is eternal, nothing is chiseled in stone. Changes have been made in the past and they can be made again. None of your stupidity is going to change that.


Yes you did. You said slavery and prohibition were settled and how you're saying they're not, but that nothing is settled. It's one or the other. Pick a single story and stick to it.
 
2012-12-21 04:20:33 PM  

Southern100: You're not going to pass a constitutional amendment for the prohibition of firearms. Not in 38 states.


Not yet. Let's talk a few massacres from now.

And that's the 800lb gorilla in the room, that the NRA and the gunfappers won't look at. That it WILL happen again. Each time it happens, their political power diminishes exponentially. Enjoy.
 
2012-12-21 04:20:59 PM  

brax33: Evil Twin Skippy:
Still, in a range setting, that puppy was WAY out of place. Somebody buying that thing is not in the same league with recreational shooters, hunters, and the like. That gun is really only good for mowing down human beings at a lot of them. It doesn't have the stopping power for big game. It is overkill for small game. There are even rules for bird hunting that limit shotguns to a 3 round magazine. 30 rounds is military load out, and has no place outside of war.


So apparently you're of the opinion that war could never come to our shores? Or of the opinion that our government could never become corrupt and evil and revolution could not be needed? The 2nd Amendment is there to protect our citizens from a tyrannical government, OUR government, if it becomes that way. The 2A is there to keep our government in check, not the other way around. Otherwise you end up with a runaway government like the UK or Australia where even porn is censored out of games, and you have to ask your social betters pretty please to buy a butter knife.

The second amendment isn't there just for hunting, or even sport shooting. It has a very real and important reason for existing. Freedom comes with a price, and unfortunately sometimes that price is paid in blood.


Wow, how did I miss your post. Oh right, it's so stupid it burns.

Are you a Supreme Court justice? Are you a constitutional scholar? Have you even so much as passed the bar? Then STFU about what "The Constitution" says. I'll bet dollars to donuts you haven't even read the entire thing through.

As far as "war coming to these shores...", well I'll have bigger frigging fish to fry. In the meantime, I'm perfectly content to make my way through civilized society. I swear you farkers are just looking for reasons to justify living like a goddamn neanderthal. Move to frigging Somalia.
 
2012-12-21 04:23:56 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: dittybopper: chuckufarlie: A 40 round Lemat revolver?? You really are an idiot.

I see math is not your strong point, so I will spell it out for you:

Each LeMat holds 10 rounds, 9 in the cylinder, 1 in the central barrel. If you have four of them, the equation is

4 revolvers * 10 rounds per revolver = 40 total rounds.

I mean, even my third-grader son knows how to do math that simple.

And he probably can aim better than you if you need 40 rounds to drop a target.


He's actually not bad. I started him with the fundamentals of markmanship and safety with archery when he was 5:

i40.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-21 04:25:22 PM  

ronaprhys: Yes you did. You said slavery and prohibition were settled and how you're saying they're not, but that nothing is settled. It's one or the other. Pick a single story and stick to it.


That's what I'm asking you to do: You said slavery was settled law, but abortion wasn't, and you didn't give a good legal reason for the difference.
 
2012-12-21 04:26:07 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: As far as "war coming to these shores...", well I'll have bigger frigging fish to fry. In the meantime, I'm perfectly content to make my way through civilized society. I swear you farkers are just looking for reasons to justify living like a goddamn neanderthal. Move to frigging Somalia.



They feed off of this fantasy where they get to roam the streets and shoot "liberals" some day. The CCW people I know usually end up citing the possibility of a minority in their house at 3am whenever the gun debate comes up. It's like all they do is dream of the day they get their story printed in the NRA fapletter, after they shoot an unarmed black kid.

They are a very sick and demented part of our society. The Venn diagram between Gunfappers and Fox News viewers: 0
 
2012-12-21 04:27:00 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Southern100: You're not going to pass a constitutional amendment for the prohibition of firearms. Not in 38 states.

Not yet. Let's talk a few massacres from now.

And that's the 800lb gorilla in the room, that the NRA and the gunfappers won't look at. That it WILL happen again. Each time it happens, their political power diminishes exponentially. Enjoy.


While no one wants to see any more massacres (except for maybe you and Chuckufarlie), if that was the case, then the NRA's power must've been godlike at one point because there've been lots and lots of massacres and they're still so incredibly powerful that they make you wet your pants.

/not a member
 
2012-12-21 04:27:39 PM  

dittybopper: ronaprhys: Yes you did. You said slavery and prohibition were settled and how you're saying they're not, but that nothing is settled. It's one or the other. Pick a single story and stick to it.

That's what I'm asking you to do: You said slavery was settled law, but abortion wasn't, and you didn't give a good legal reason for the difference.


Wait - I don't think you wanted to reply to me on that, did you?
 
2012-12-21 04:28:07 PM  

dittybopper: chuckufarlie: Oh, I have better than a clue. I have something that you will never have, a functioning brain. Of course people could walk around with lots of muzzle loaders or pistols. Using that type of a weapon to shoot down a lot of people would slow the shooter down. It would take just a little bit of time to drop one gun and grab another or to replace the cylinder. In that amount of time, people could get away or somebody could rush the shooter. The shooter might kill five or six people, but not twenty-six.

Really? Four revolvers, two in each hand, two in holsters. Shoot six shots with right hand, while dropping that one shoots with left hand, rinse and repeat. Took me all of 30 seconds to think up the mechanics of it.

And if the revolvers are double action like a Starr, it's as fast as any semi-automatic. If they are similar to a LeMat, that's 40 rounds without having to pause.


LeMat was a 9-shot wasn't it?
 
2012-12-21 04:28:32 PM  

way south: Outlander Engine: I just think it will fail. Like the dug war. Like prohibition.

I think the problem is that, when it comes to gun control, no one has a definition for failure.
Every law is followed by new incidents and the renewed argument that another feature ban is needed.

More violence should be proof that the previous approach failed.
We've got a people problem and arguing about the appearances of things won't fix that.

/Its as if they'd tackle a drunk driving problem by arguing over the size of a cars tires.
/Or maybe its the number of tires, or the fuel mileage, or the loudness of the stereo...


I was specifically talking about a total ban plus confiscation. The black market for guns would explode overnight and you would have accomplished nothing meaningful. There's even good evidence that the total number of murders would go up.


At the moment, however, we aren't even using common sense gun control.
Link Virginia Tech Shooter
Link Mental Illness and state laws
That guy should never have been able to buy a gun. Closing that loophole would be easy.

Hopefully a meaningful solution will come about. Something political will be done, it's just a question of how effective will it be.
 
2012-12-21 04:30:17 PM  
It's been fun, but I have to go because the distaffbopper, littlebopper, and I have people coming over in a little while for a Christmas shindig, and I have to go do some things like dishes and general cleaning up, since the distaffbopper is still recovering from hip replacement surgery.

Have a wonderful holiday season. Maybe Santa will slip a gun under the tree just for you.
 
2012-12-21 04:30:32 PM  

ronaprhys: chuckufarlie: There are all sorts of laws in place across the country to provide safety with swimming pools. Any public pool or beach has life guards on duty to help protect the children and the adults.

Your stupid arguments about me hating children because if kids dying in swimming pools is just an attempt to deflect the argument. The one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

I am against rifles that serve no purpose other than to kill a lot of people in a short period of time. They serve no useful purpose. Swimming pools do serve a useful purpose. For one thing, they are used to train children how to swim so that they will not drown. There is no good use for rifles that do nothing be kill lots of people in a short period of time.

So you do hate children. I'm glad we could clear that up. It's obvious that the laws aren't working because more children are dying via drowning that via firearms. Yet you continue to ignore that problem and focus on the lesser.

You are incredibly callous. It's actually a shame to see someone as cynical as you.

chuckufarlie: I never said that prohibition is gone for good. What I said was that it is gone. I never said that it cannot come back.

Slavery is settled because owning other people is wrong on many levels. It should never have been in the Constitution and it had no business being in it.


Try to understand - nothing in the Constitution or in the Amendments is eternal, nothing is chiseled in stone. Changes have been made in the past and they can be made again. None of your stupidity is going to change that.

Yes you did. You said slavery and prohibition were settled and how you're saying they're not, but that nothing is settled. It's one or the other. Pick a single story and stick to it.


you are worse than a idiot. You are a semi-literate idiot. I said that prohibition was gone. I never said that it could not become the law of the land once again. You do realize that previous posts are available for review, right?

Slavery is gone forever because that is what the majority of the people want. That majority opinion is not going to change. Owning other people is wrong and just because it was in the Constitution did not make it right. It was only in the Constitution to keep a bunch of ignorant southerners in the country. We'd be better off without them.
 
2012-12-21 04:31:50 PM  

Southern100: LeMat was a 9-shot wasn't it?


Nine shots in the cylinder, one in the central barrel.
 
2012-12-21 04:32:17 PM  

Outlander Engine: At the moment, however, we aren't even using common sense gun control.Link Virginia Tech ShooterLink Mental Illness and state lawsThat guy should never have been able to buy a gun. Closing that loophole would be easy.



I can see why the NRA fights when it comes to tying mental health to gun possession: just look at their membership.
 
2012-12-21 04:34:10 PM  

Southern100: chuckufarlie: ronaprhys: chuckufarlie: Something that is CONSIDERED Constitutional one day is often not CONSIDERED to be Constitutional a week later. The make up of the SCOTUS changes over time. That means that what is or is not Constitutional also changes.

You really have no idea how this country functions, do you??

Well, that's demonstrably false (the constant changing of what is and isn't Constitutional). Did you fail history class, too? I mean, along with failing Civics and American Government? Please, by all means keep this up. It's an amusing trail of discovery here. Who would've thought that someone who could actually get onto the internets could be so uneducated.

Ever hear of prohibition? What about the people fighting against abortion? Prohibition was considered Constitutional and then it wasn't. Abortion is Constitutional and yet people are still fighting against it.

Ever hear of the 18th and 21st amendments? Prohibition was never "considered" Constitutional - they had to pass an amendment to MAKE it constitutional. Obviously you must've skipped school that day.

You're not going to pass a constitutional amendment for the prohibition of firearms. Not in 38 states.


make up you mind, dumbass, it was either never considered Constitutional or it was, You say that an amendment made it Constitutional. How could the never be considered Constitutional if the made an Amendment to make it Constitutional. Pick one, idiot.

I may have missed a day or two of school but all that time you spent in that special class makes you are complete idiot when it comes to the Constitution.
 
2012-12-21 04:36:04 PM  

dittybopper: Southern100: LeMat was a 9-shot wasn't it?

Nine shots in the cylinder, one in the central barrel.


and that is why you said that it had 40 shots? You just keep proving yourself to be more and more stupid than what I thought is impossible.
 
2012-12-21 04:36:51 PM  

dittybopper: It's been fun, but I have to go because the distaffbopper, littlebopper, and I have people coming over in a little while for a Christmas shindig, and I have to go do some things like dishes and general cleaning up, since the distaffbopper is still recovering from hip replacement surgery.

Have a wonderful holiday season. Maybe Santa will slip a gun under the tree just for you.


and a liar on top of it all. You are a pretty poor sample of humanity.
 
2012-12-21 04:39:32 PM  

dittybopper: chuckufarlie: A 40 round Lemat revolver?? You really are an idiot.

I see math is not your strong point, so I will spell it out for you:

Each LeMat holds 10 rounds, 9 in the cylinder, 1 in the central barrel. If you have four of them, the equation is

4 revolvers * 10 rounds per revolver = 40 total rounds.

I mean, even my third-grader son knows how to do math that simple.


you never said anything about four LeMats.

I would imagine that your third grader knows a lot of things that you don't know. But then, he is your son so he might be an idiot as well.
 
2012-12-21 04:41:50 PM  

chuckufarlie: you are worse than a idiot. You are a semi-literate idiot. I said that prohibition was gone. I never said that it could not become the law of the land once again. You do realize that previous posts are available for review, right?

Slavery is gone forever because that is what the majority of the people want. That majority opinion is not going to change. Owning other people is wrong and just because it was in the Constitution did not make it right. It was only in the Constitution to keep a bunch of ignorant southerners in the country. We'd be better off without them.


Oh my. Aren't you a cheeky one? Thanks for clearing up that you're being willfully dishonest, though. You've clearly proven, throughout this thread, that you aren't educated on the subject, that you don't have a workable solution that's Constitutional, that you don't even understand the Constitution or how our legal system works, much less our actual government.

Now hopefully everyone reviews this thread and realizes that you have nothing of value to offer to the world.
 
2012-12-21 04:42:00 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Southern100: You're not going to pass a constitutional amendment for the prohibition of firearms. Not in 38 states.

Not yet. Let's talk a few massacres from now.

And that's the 800lb gorilla in the room, that the NRA and the gunfappers won't look at. That it WILL happen again. Each time it happens, their political power diminishes exponentially. Enjoy.


Then perhaps we ought to go the other direction, and make it compulsory for everyone to own a firearm.

Kennesaw Georgia did - 30 years ago. By law, if you live in the city you must own a gun.

And they have the lowest crime rates in the entire state (and less than half the crime rate of the entire country) - and not a single murder for 30 years.
 
2012-12-21 04:46:19 PM  

chuckufarlie: dittybopper: Southern100: LeMat was a 9-shot wasn't it?

Nine shots in the cylinder, one in the central barrel.

and that is why you said that it had 40 shots? You just keep proving yourself to be more and more stupid than what I thought is impossible.


He said the shooter would carry 4 guns.

I gotta give you credit though - you're a pretty good troll.
 
2012-12-21 04:48:27 PM  

ronaprhys: chuckufarlie: you are worse than a idiot. You are a semi-literate idiot. I said that prohibition was gone. I never said that it could not become the law of the land once again. You do realize that previous posts are available for review, right?

Slavery is gone forever because that is what the majority of the people want. That majority opinion is not going to change. Owning other people is wrong and just because it was in the Constitution did not make it right. It was only in the Constitution to keep a bunch of ignorant southerners in the country. We'd be better off without them.

Oh my. Aren't you a cheeky one? Thanks for clearing up that you're being willfully dishonest, though. You've clearly proven, throughout this thread, that you aren't educated on the subject, that you don't have a workable solution that's Constitutional, that you don't even understand the Constitution or how our legal system works, much less our actual government.

Now hopefully everyone reviews this thread and realizes that you have nothing of value to offer to the world.


The only thing that I was wrong about was attempting to explain something to an idiot like you.

You also have no idea what "willfully dishonest" means. I was no such thing. It is your inability to understand what I said that gives you that impression. You obviously were confused and you still are.

You have no idea what the Constitution is.
 
2012-12-21 04:49:56 PM  

Southern100: chuckufarlie: dittybopper: Southern100: LeMat was a 9-shot wasn't it?

Nine shots in the cylinder, one in the central barrel.

and that is why you said that it had 40 shots? You just keep proving yourself to be more and more stupid than what I thought is impossible.

He said the shooter would carry 4 guns.

I gotta give you credit though - you're a pretty good troll.


And I give you credit for being an asshole and an idiot. It is not my fault that he can not communicate intelligently.
 
2012-12-21 04:56:20 PM  

Southern100: Insatiable Jesus: Southern100: You're not going to pass a constitutional amendment for the prohibition of firearms. Not in 38 states.

Not yet. Let's talk a few massacres from now.

And that's the 800lb gorilla in the room, that the NRA and the gunfappers won't look at. That it WILL happen again. Each time it happens, their political power diminishes exponentially. Enjoy.

Then perhaps we ought to go the other direction, and make it compulsory for everyone to own a firearm.

Kennesaw Georgia did - 30 years ago. By law, if you live in the city you must own a gun.

And they have the lowest crime rates in the entire state (and less than half the crime rate of the entire country) - and not a single murder for 30 years.


What was the murder rate in Kennesaw in the thirty years before the new law? Without that information, you have only half the story.

There are lots of little towns all over the country with low crime rates. Tell the rest of the story.
 
2012-12-21 04:58:16 PM  

Southern100: Insatiable Jesus: Southern100: You're not going to pass a constitutional amendment for the prohibition of firearms. Not in 38 states.

Not yet. Let's talk a few massacres from now.

And that's the 800lb gorilla in the room, that the NRA and the gunfappers won't look at. That it WILL happen again. Each time it happens, their political power diminishes exponentially. Enjoy.

Then perhaps we ought to go the other direction, and make it compulsory for everyone to own a firearm.

Kennesaw Georgia did - 30 years ago. By law, if you live in the city you must own a gun.

And they have the lowest crime rates in the entire state (and less than half the crime rate of the entire country) - and not a single murder for 30 years.


I lived in Kennesaw. The supposed lack of crime is not worth living in that racist shiathole. Not an infamously racist town? Dent Myer's store is front and center on their town square - selling his bowls of Niglet Stew (pieces from black playskool figures in a fishbowl). It was a racist little backwater that even the other locals around here didn't care for, until they got lucky enough to have a mall plopped down next door and can therefore afford 2.3 police officers per citizen. And I would seriously doubt any published statistics about crime there, considering how much of their marketing activity goes into fostering that image.

And that "law" is complete horseshiat. They don't enforce it, how in the world could they?

The Kennesaw Gun Law: Invented by known racists, propagated by probably racists.
 
2012-12-21 05:01:24 PM  

chuckufarlie: Southern100: chuckufarlie: dittybopper: Southern100: LeMat was a 9-shot wasn't it?

Nine shots in the cylinder, one in the central barrel.

and that is why you said that it had 40 shots? You just keep proving yourself to be more and more stupid than what I thought is impossible.

He said the shooter would carry 4 guns.

I gotta give you credit though - you're a pretty good troll.

And I give you credit for being an asshole and an idiot. It is not my fault that he can not communicate intelligently.


I do love how, when it's clear that you've proven wrong, you resort to insults, appeals to emotion, and other fallacies.

You are just cute as buttons on a rag doll.
 
2012-12-21 05:03:14 PM  

ronaprhys: chuckufarlie: Southern100: chuckufarlie: dittybopper: Southern100: LeMat was a 9-shot wasn't it?

Nine shots in the cylinder, one in the central barrel.

and that is why you said that it had 40 shots? You just keep proving yourself to be more and more stupid than what I thought is impossible.

He said the shooter would carry 4 guns.

I gotta give you credit though - you're a pretty good troll.

And I give you credit for being an asshole and an idiot. It is not my fault that he can not communicate intelligently.

I do love how, when it's clear that you've proven wrong, you resort to insults, appeals to emotion, and other fallacies.

You are just cute as buttons on a rag doll.


And yet I have not been proven wrong. Your buddy just cannot compose an intelligent post. And for that matter, neither can you.
 
2012-12-21 05:04:30 PM  

Southern100: Insatiable Jesus: Southern100: You're not going to pass a constitutional amendment for the prohibition of firearms. Not in 38 states.

Not yet. Let's talk a few massacres from now.

And that's the 800lb gorilla in the room, that the NRA and the gunfappers won't look at. That it WILL happen again. Each time it happens, their political power diminishes exponentially. Enjoy.

Then perhaps we ought to go the other direction, and make it compulsory for everyone to own a firearm.

Kennesaw Georgia did - 30 years ago. By law, if you live in the city you must own a gun.

And they have the lowest crime rates in the entire state (and less than half the crime rate of the entire country) - and not a single murder for 30 years.


Oh, and BTW, here you go. This is just one, Kennesaw is not the mythical fairytale utopia of heavily armed white Southerners, as the internet would have you believe. Stop trusting those FW FW FW emails.

Cobb County police are investigating the death of a man who was found shot in the driveway of his Kennesaw home Saturday night.

At 10:45 p.m., Cobb police and fire personnel were dispatched to 4026 Leicester Dr. in Kennesaw and found the man's body lying in the driveway of the house, police said.

The man has been identified as 53-year-old Milton Carl Kelley of Kennesaw.

The Cobb County Assessor's Office lists Kelley as one of the owners of 4026 Leicester Dr., along with Deborah McGlaughlin.

According to police, Kelley apparently died from a gunshot wound. Police said foul play is suspected, and the investigation is ongoing.

Anyone with information about this case is asked to call 770-499-3945."


You should call that number and point out the law and demand the deceased be charged for allowing his unarmed self to be shot by negroes.
 
2012-12-21 05:12:25 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Southern100: Insatiable Jesus: Southern100: You're not going to pass a constitutional amendment for the prohibition of firearms. Not in 38 states.

Not yet. Let's talk a few massacres from now.

And that's the 800lb gorilla in the room, that the NRA and the gunfappers won't look at. That it WILL happen again. Each time it happens, their political power diminishes exponentially. Enjoy.

Then perhaps we ought to go the other direction, and make it compulsory for everyone to own a firearm.

Kennesaw Georgia did - 30 years ago. By law, if you live in the city you must own a gun.

And they have the lowest crime rates in the entire state (and less than half the crime rate of the entire country) - and not a single murder for 30 years.

Oh, and BTW, here you go. This is just one, Kennesaw is not the mythical fairytale utopia of heavily armed white Southerners, as the internet would have you believe. Stop trusting those FW FW FW emails.

Cobb County police are investigating the death of a man who was found shot in the driveway of his Kennesaw home Saturday night.

At 10:45 p.m., Cobb police and fire personnel were dispatched to 4026 Leicester Dr. in Kennesaw and found the man's body lying in the driveway of the house, police said.

The man has been identified as 53-year-old Milton Carl Kelley of Kennesaw.

The Cobb County Assessor's Office lists Kelley as one of the owners of 4026 Leicester Dr., along with Deborah McGlaughlin.

According to police, Kelley apparently died from a gunshot wound. Police said foul play is suspected, and the investigation is ongoing.

Anyone with information about this case is asked to call 770-499-3945."


You should call that number and point out the law and demand the deceased be charged for allowing his unarmed self to be shot by negroes.


what he should have said was that they have had at least one murder per year.
 
2012-12-21 05:13:16 PM  
chuckufarlie:
Instead of addressing the mechanism that sends the bullets down the barrel, we should address the rate of fire possible with those guns. About two a minute should be enough for anybody.

Clearly you have never hunted ducks, geese, pheasant, or grouse.  As birds, they fly and while I would like to kill the bird on the first shot, more often then not I am adjusting my lead on the second or third shot.
 
2012-12-21 05:30:23 PM  

parkthebus: chuckufarlie:
Instead of addressing the mechanism that sends the bullets down the barrel, we should address the rate of fire possible with those guns. About two a minute should be enough for anybody.

Clearly you have never hunted ducks, geese, pheasant, or grouse.  As birds, they fly and while I would like to kill the bird on the first shot, more often then not I am adjusting my lead on the second or third shot.


I have hunted fowl. Seeing as how I would like to actually hit the occasional bird, I use a shotgun. You might not miss on the first two or three shots if you stopped using an assault rifle.
 
2012-12-21 06:39:09 PM  

parkthebus: chuckufarlie:
Instead of addressing the mechanism that sends the bullets down the barrel, we should address the rate of fire possible with those guns. About two a minute should be enough for anybody.

Clearly you have never hunted ducks, geese, pheasant, or grouse.  As birds, they fly and while I would like to kill the bird on the first shot, more often then not I am adjusting my lead on the second or third shot.


As a hunter, the only rub for me always seems to be bird hunting. I have shot many creatures with one shot. Never a bird, it seems.
 
2012-12-21 07:38:08 PM  
I am just amused that a "stoner" managed to make something like this.
 
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