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(Talking Points Memo)   The history of the AR-15, the gun used at Sandy Hook. Since the media doing this, I'm impressed we're not looking at a picture of the AK-47. I mean, they're both assault rifles and both have "A" in their name   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 667
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2012-12-21 10:08:33 AM

I mean, they're both assault rifles


*groinpunch*
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2012-12-21 10:09:18 AM
Nic Cage was unavailable to explain the difference between the two?
 
2012-12-21 10:10:09 AM
Ah, yes. The automatic rifle 15. It uses extended clips to carry more bullets.
 
2012-12-21 10:10:20 AM
talkingpointsmemo.com

As opposed to, you know.... the other type of gun.
 
2012-12-21 10:10:35 AM
So the media can get it right and gun nuts will still whine?

Seriously, is there a whinier group of crybabies than gun owners? I certainly haven't encountered one.
 
2012-12-21 10:12:22 AM
I thought the killer at Sandy Hook only used two pistols (but had the rifle with him).
 
2012-12-21 10:12:25 AM

Honest Bender: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]

As opposed to, you know.... the other type of gun.


This gun?

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-21 10:12:35 AM
They forgot the part where Obama subsidized it's development by Hilter-corp LLC using taxpayer dollars.
 
2012-12-21 10:13:07 AM

thurstonxhowell: So the media can get it right and gun nuts will still whine?

Seriously, is there a whinier group of crybabies than gun owners? I certainly haven't encountered one.



Pit bull owners, whenever a story runs on a pit bull attacking a kid. Of course, there's a lot of overlap between pit bull owners and gun owners.
 
2012-12-21 10:13:30 AM

thurstonxhowell: So the media can get it right and gun nuts will still whine?

Seriously, is there a whinier group of crybabies than gun owners? I certainly haven't encountered one.


The blunderbuss was cool, but then it got all popular and stuff and then it sold out and I had to move on to the hwacha.
 
2012-12-21 10:14:50 AM

Molavian: Ah, yes. The automatic rifle 15. It uses extended clips to carry more bullets exploding armor piercing shells.


FTFY
 
2012-12-21 10:15:09 AM
Go fark yourself, subby.
 
2012-12-21 10:16:09 AM
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2012-12-21 10:16:18 AM
What a great pic. Scaremongering at its best.
 
2012-12-21 10:17:08 AM
"Assault Rifle" is up there with "politically correct". Two terms that were stupid to coin in the first place and today are only used by those that feel oppressed by them.
 
2012-12-21 10:17:12 AM
Waaaah, get the name of my toys right. Don't want me to snap and start using them. Waaaah
 
2012-12-21 10:18:18 AM

stoli n coke: thurstonxhowell: So the media can get it right and gun nuts will still whine?

Seriously, is there a whinier group of crybabies than gun owners? I certainly haven't encountered one.


Pit bull owners, whenever a story runs on a pit bull attacking a kid. Of course, there's a lot of overlap between pit bull owners and gun owners.


Lots of missed sales opportunities for extenze and Viagra also.
 
2012-12-21 10:18:56 AM
You and I all know that there is no term which would be found generally acceptable for semi-auto civilian versions of military weapons.
 
2012-12-21 10:19:24 AM

Rufus Lee King: Oh, God. Not again.


And this. I'd "smart" you, but I refuse to use the farkies and other thread conditioning tools. I like my shiat raw.
 
2012-12-21 10:19:24 AM

T.M.S.: "Assault Rifle" is up there with "politically correct". Two terms that were stupid to coin in the first place and today are only used by those that feel oppressed by them.


"Assault rifle" is a technical term with an established definition.

"Assault weapon" is a poor term with no established definition that is intentionally utilized to confuse civilian sporting rifles with military weapons.
 
2012-12-21 10:19:59 AM
Death by bullet, death by abortion.. what's the difference. Merry Christmas!
 
2012-12-21 10:20:07 AM
Wait, this guy invented a sentient gun capable of killing people on it's own?
 
2012-12-21 10:20:19 AM

Champion of the Sun: Waaaah, get the name of my toys right. Don't want me to snap and start using them. Waaaah


But if I chide them on the proper pronunciation of "Boba Fett", I'm a nerd.
 
2012-12-21 10:20:33 AM
Well that was a terrible article. Almost no history at all.
 
2012-12-21 10:20:36 AM

Honest Bender: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]

As opposed to, you know.... the other type of gun.


Turned away instantly at that image.

I'll listen to facts and figures. Start with the appeal to emotion and I say you can go fark yourself.
 
2012-12-21 10:20:46 AM
Carrying lots of bullets is the real problem here, so we should outlaw pockets.

/my spoon made me fat
 
2012-12-21 10:21:26 AM
That article really didnt go anywhere. It ended when it felt 50% done. Did the author hit a deadline or something?
 
2012-12-21 10:21:37 AM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-21 10:21:55 AM
Heck, that isn't even Stoner's best invention

world.guns.ru
 
2012-12-21 10:22:10 AM

Dimensio: "Assault weapon" is a poor term with no established definition that is intentionally utilized to confuse civilian sporting rifles with military weapons.


"Civilian sporting rifle", when used to describe an AR-15, is one of the most ham-fisted attempts at political correctness I've ever seen.
 
2012-12-21 10:22:18 AM

T.M.S.: "Assault Rifle" is up there with "politically correct". Two terms that were stupid to coin in the first place and today are only used by those that feel oppressed by them.

exactly. anything that can harm someone can be used in an "assault"

"1a : a violent physical or verbal attack b : a military attack usually involving direct combat with enemy forces c : a concerted effort (as to reach a goal or defeat an adversary)
2a : a threat or attempt to inflict offensive physical contact or bodily harm on a person (as by lifting a fist in a threatening manner) that puts the person in immediate danger of or in apprehension of such harm or contact"

ban fists!
 
2012-12-21 10:23:21 AM

thurstonxhowell: So the media can get it right and gun nuts will still whine?

Seriously, is there a whinier group of crybabies than gun owners? I certainly haven't encountered one.


Bikers. The motorcyle type.
 
2012-12-21 10:23:27 AM

CygnusDarius: Honest Bender: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]

As opposed to, you know.... the other type of gun.

This gun?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 192x290]


I came here to say something similar. Perhaps this kind of gun? (pnsfw)
 
2012-12-21 10:23:42 AM
I'm a 'Bushmaster'.
 
2012-12-21 10:23:43 AM
A lot of American servicemen died in Vietnam because the North Vietnamese soldiers' AK-47s kept jamming? Is that the difference?
 
2012-12-21 10:24:10 AM

thurstonxhowell: the media can get it right and gun nuts will still whine?

Seriously, is there a whinier group of crybabies than gun owners? I certainly haven't encountered one.


Feminists, vegans, gay rights activists, PETA.

/Just because they're on your side doesn't mean it's not true
 
2012-12-21 10:24:33 AM

bungle_jr: T.M.S.: "Assault Rifle" is up there with "politically correct". Two terms that were stupid to coin in the first place and today are only used by those that feel oppressed by them.
exactly. anything that can harm someone can be used in an "assault"

"1a : a violent physical or verbal attack b : a military attack usually involving direct combat with enemy forces c : a concerted effort (as to reach a goal or defeat an adversary)
2a : a threat or attempt to inflict offensive physical contact or bodily harm on a person (as by lifting a fist in a threatening manner) that puts the person in immediate danger of or in apprehension of such harm or contact"

ban fists!


If criminals are going to break laws anyways, why bother having laws, right?
 
2012-12-21 10:24:49 AM

LasersHurt: You and I all know that there is no term which would be found generally acceptable for semi-auto civilian versions of military weapons.


That would work for me. It won't be used though because it is not as easily associated with a harmful intent as all of these rifles must. We need to have 'assault', 'killing' 'attack', or 'accost' in its name.

*rolleseyes*
 
2012-12-21 10:25:47 AM

HeadLever: LasersHurt: You and I all know that there is no term which would be found generally acceptable for semi-auto civilian versions of military weapons.

That would work for me. It won't be used though because it is not as easily associated with a harmful intent as all of these rifles must. We need to have 'assault', 'killing' 'attack', or 'accost' in its name.

*rolleseyes*


I'm down, then. If the poor nomenclature is such a sticking point, let's change it and get to work.
 
2012-12-21 10:25:47 AM
So he used an assault rifle to kill people. Ok, that follows. What is with the constant media coverage here? This sensationalises the murders and basically gives a highscore and a come on to try better to every other nutter with a gun out there.

Besides which, even someone like myself who lives in the UK can easily understand that the weapon is ambivalent here; it didn't aim itself then pull it's own trigger. Someone had to do that to make it fire. Guns don't kill people, people use guns to kill people.

I don't get the whole gun ownership thing (not American after all) but even I understand that you can't legislate for the random fruitloop going crazy... because they're random fruitloops. But the media could do a lot more to make such occurrences well 'boring' ya know?

AR-15? Isn't that the civilian version of the M-16 the rifle issued to most of America's armed forces? I'd have thought they'd of been pretty easy to get.... in America.
 
2012-12-21 10:26:14 AM
I prefer the AK-47 because it's better than the AR-15 by 32.
 
2012-12-21 10:26:15 AM
Alright, fine, for those complaining about it being called an "Assault Rifle", how about we call "A civillian version of a military weapon"? I'm sure that will make it MUCH more popular.
 
2012-12-21 10:26:22 AM

LasersHurt: You and I all know that there is no term which would be found generally acceptable for semi-auto civilian versions of military weapons.


i always thought "gun" was a perfect word. succinct, correct, poignant, with undertones of oak and berries
 
2012-12-21 10:26:32 AM
It's funny when gun nuts act like knowing things about guns suffices for intelligence.
 
2012-12-21 10:27:00 AM

jcmjx: Feminists, vegans, gay rights activists, PETA.

/Just because they're on your side doesn't mean it's not true



Just because you're an idiot doesn't mean they're on my side.
 
2012-12-21 10:28:31 AM
Guns for some, tiny American flags for others!
 
2012-12-21 10:28:59 AM

thurstonxhowell: Dimensio: "Assault weapon" is a poor term with no established definition that is intentionally utilized to confuse civilian sporting rifles with military weapons.

"Civilian sporting rifle", when used to describe an AR-15, is one of the most ham-fisted attempts at political correctness I've ever seen.


How about this? Is this a legitimate civilian sporting rifle?

i1.wp.com

That firearm is a Mini-14, a rifle that can accept a magazine that holds 5, 10, 20, or 30 rounds (or larger). It fires a bullet approximately .223 inches wide, at a velocity of about 2800 feet per second. It can fire one - and ONLY one - round each time you pull the trigger.


The scary man's firearm is an AR-15. It can accept a magazine that holds 5, 10, 20, or 30 rounds (or larger; Betamags can hold approx 100 rounds but have horrific jam rates). It fires a bullet approximately .223 inches wide, at a velocity of about 2800 feet per second. It can fire one - and ONLY one - round each time you pull the trigger. It is covered in black plastic, which makes it lighter and theoretically more impact-resistant. These facts are scary, yes? It looks like this:

blogs.suntimes.com

They are, functionally, the SAME FARKING GUN. They shoot the same bullet, from magazines of the same size, at the same velocity. But one looks dammed scary, while one looks a lot like a hunting rifle you see on the wall.

There is quite literally no way to word a gun ban - while being intellectually honest - that will make a difference (because you can get a gun that does the same thing - or more - in a different cosmetic package) or word one in such a way that will not become a *de facto* ban on ALL guns. And while the latter may be a desirable goal to some minds, there is simply no actual, practical way to make it happen, without setting the military loose on the civilian population in a house-to-house and turning our country into another Afghanistan-style military quagmire.
 
2012-12-21 10:29:19 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-21 10:29:30 AM
I think 'semi-automatic .223 caliber rifle' covers what it is pretty well.

It covers the action, what it fires and whether it is a handgun or a long gun.

Nothing else about it really matters.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-21 10:29:51 AM
"Assault rifle" is a technical term with an established definition.

"Assault weapon" is a poor term with no established definition that is intentionally utilized to confuse civilian sporting rifles with military weapons.


Assault weapon is a a term established by law.  It's a good term for military type weapons that includes assault weapons and things like sub-machineguns and combat shotguns that wouldn't normally be considered assault rifles.
 
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