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2012-12-21 10:06:33 AM  
Probably leads to eating more junk food since, by the time you get home, your supper'll be cold.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-21 10:10:16 AM  
I went on a long road trip last summer and lost weight. Therefore, science and economics are false. Now excuse me, I'm almost out of chocolate and need to drive to the store to buy more.
 
2012-12-21 10:23:32 AM  
<I>Any time a person sits behind the wheel of a car, it's one of the most docile activities they can do in a day</i>

Said the person who's never been on the Deegan.
 
2012-12-21 11:46:55 AM  
This explains why people in cities are fatter than rural residents. Except, oops, that's not true at all.
 
2012-12-21 11:49:03 AM  
Well they do at the McDonalds drive in window . . .
 
2012-12-21 11:54:18 AM  
Did somebody say jam?
 
2012-12-21 11:56:25 AM  
Want to curb car travel?  Put in more sidewalks and crosswalks, and then crush the stigma that comes with being the only walker in a town full of fat drivers.
 
2012-12-21 11:57:37 AM  
Well, that was certainly ridiculous.
 
2012-12-21 12:05:00 PM  
Yes, because stress from bad traffic.

Offer void if self-discipline is present.
 
2012-12-21 12:08:36 PM  

The Third Man: This explains why people in cities are fatter than rural residents. Except, oops, that's not true at all.


What makes you think that people in cities drive more than rural residents? I would guess that the opposite is true.

Regarding the article's main point: there is pretty solid evidence that vehicle miles driven is correlated with obesity (this isn't the first time this idea has been floated). You can look at states where people drive more, and people are, in general, more obese there than in states where people drive less. It shouldn't be surprising that if you replace physical activity with more sedentary travel time that it's going to lead to obesity. This isn't some sort of crazy, ridiculous idea. It isn't that driving makes you fat, by itself, but that driving long hours is associated with a certain lifestyle (sedentary, fast-food-consuming, etc) that leads to obesity.
 
2012-12-21 12:09:14 PM  
Sortof on topic: Am I the only one that's noticed that the morbidly obese tend to drive tiny cars?
 
2012-12-21 12:10:56 PM  
 
2012-12-21 12:11:17 PM  
Or maybe both of them are caused by too many people living outside of walking distance of the places they routinely travel to.
 
2012-12-21 12:11:30 PM  

Trayal: Sortof on topic: Am I the only one that's noticed that the morbidly obese tend to drive tiny cars?


I've always seen the total opposite to that.
 
2012-12-21 12:13:58 PM  
Also, vehicle miles traveled have increased dramatically in the U.S. at the same time that obesity rates have skyrocketed. It's one of the few large scale societal changes in people's lifestyles in recent decades that can explain the large increase in obesity. The obesity epidemic isn't caused by just one factor, but the fact that Americans are driving their cars further and for more hours out of the day is almost certainly one of the root causes. Our lifestyle is making us fat, and the car is central to the American lifestyle.
 
2012-12-21 12:15:06 PM  

The Third Man: This explains why people in cities are fatter than rural residents. Except, oops, that's not true at all.


When you're in the city, everything is closer so you walk more or take public transportation.
 
2012-12-21 12:15:45 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Or maybe both of them are caused by too many people living outside of walking distance of the places they routinely travel to.


No, I've known people who lived within blocks of where they needed to be who would rather hop into their car because it's still easier that way in their heads.
 
2012-12-21 12:16:10 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Or maybe both of them are caused by too many people living outside of walking distance of the places they routinely travel to.


Yes, one reason is that driving has replaced walking for most routine tasks. Large numbers of people's lives consist of driving from one parking lot to the next, circling for the closest parking spot, and then stopping by the drive through for fried food afterwards. It's not just the driving: it's the total set of behaviors associated with driving.
 
2012-12-21 12:19:21 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer:
No, I've known people who lived within blocks of where they needed to be who would rather hop into their car because it's still easier that way in their heads.


That's because their reliance on the car has trained them that way. They've given up natural behavior in exchange for perceived "convenience". Also, studies have shown that the more people drive, the more distorted their perceptions of distance become. If you don't routinely walk or bike, everything seems "far away". The car messes up people's psychological perception of space, because you're travelling at an unnatural speed for the human brain everywhere except for the endpoints.
 
2012-12-21 12:19:47 PM  
Donuts cause traffic jams on the way to the breakroom
 
2012-12-21 12:23:46 PM  

Mnemia: The Third Man: This explains why people in cities are fatter than rural residents. Except, oops, that's not true at all.

What makes you think that people in cities drive more than rural residents? I would guess that the opposite is true.

Regarding the article's main point: there is pretty solid evidence that vehicle miles driven is correlated with obesity (this isn't the first time this idea has been floated). You can look at states where people drive more, and people are, in general, more obese there than in states where people drive less. It shouldn't be surprising that if you replace physical activity with more sedentary travel time that it's going to lead to obesity. This isn't some sort of crazy, ridiculous idea. It isn't that driving makes you fat, by itself, but that driving long hours is associated with a certain lifestyle (sedentary, fast-food-consuming, etc) that leads to obesity.


I commute every day, averaging 1.5 hours behind the wheel. I'm 6' and weight 172. I'm not fat. Obesity is cased by a sedentary lifestyle and over-eating, not by driving a car. New York is one of the least driver-friendly city in the world. More New Yorkers use public transportation or walk than just about any other US city. Yet, according to its department of health, one-half of its citizens are overweight or frankly obese. So reality runs contrary to this man's suggestion. The idea has indeed been floated before and found to be incorrect.
 
2012-12-21 12:28:43 PM  

davidphogan: Trayal: Sortof on topic: Am I the only one that's noticed that the morbidly obese tend to drive tiny cars?

I've always seen the total opposite to that.


They're equally disgusting, and not a bit fun to witness.
 
2012-12-21 12:30:11 PM  
Or does obesity cause jam traffic?
 
2012-12-21 12:33:48 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Want to curb car travel?  Put in more sidewalks and crosswalks, and then crush the stigma that comes with being the only walker in a town full of fat drivers.


I'd be skinny as hell. The farm road to the house is four miles. It's eight miles to the paved road and 42 to town. Also, the County would probably balk at 54 miles of installed sidewalk. Other than that ...
 
2012-12-21 12:40:45 PM  

SkunkWerks: No Subby, obese people break up traffic jams.


Farking Seattle entitled jerkwad coasting at slow speeds in the passing lane. I hope he gets tickets by the dozen.

HE's causing Seattle traffic as there are a lot of people who have to change lanes to get around him with sudden accelerations to slow down the other lanes.

This guy needs to be taken off the streets.
 
2012-12-21 12:42:20 PM  
No, stupid drivers cause traffic jams. Stupid people tend to be fat because they make poor life choices
 
2012-12-21 12:43:12 PM  

misanthropicsob: Farking Seattle entitled jerkwad coasting at slow speeds in the passing lane.


...in the middle of a traffic jam already moving at speeds of sub-20mph.

A winnar is you, I see.
 
2012-12-21 12:48:40 PM  

JackieRabbit: I commute every day, averaging 1.5 hours behind the wheel. I'm 6' and weight 172. I'm not fat. Obesity is cased by a sedentary lifestyle and over-eating, not by driving a car.


I think the point of the article was that driving a car, for most people, contributes to the sedentary lifestyle.

I bike to work 2-3 days a week, a 32-mile round trip. I've routinely biked to work for my entire adult working life, even through winter, and the way most people treat exercise seems very strange. I look at it probably more like an engineer, from an expenditure-of-resources perspective: if I bike to work three days a week, I'm exchanging three hours of time spent commuting for six hours spent commuting, but I'm also exchanging three hours of sedentary time for six hours of energy expenditure, and the energy expenditure also achieves a necessary end, i.e. transporting myself to work.

It's hard to imagine finding the time to go to a gym and sit on a stationary bike in front of a TV, and it seems backwards from an expenditure-of-resources perspective. Even if I went to the gym for one hour three days a week (so that no extra time is used), I'm getting half the active time, and I'm wasting my energy expenditure by applying it to a machine whose sole purpose is providing resistance, rather than using that energy for transportation.

People always have excuses for why they don't treat their commute the same way, but they always seem like rationalizations for continuation of present behavior rather than legitimate obstacles.
 
2012-12-21 12:49:48 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Want to curb car travel?  Put in more sidewalks and crosswalks, and then crush the stigma that comes with being the only walker in a town full of fat drivers.


THIS!

Some places it is just to dam dangerous to walk or jog because city planners forgot to include a freaking sidewalk.
 
2012-12-21 12:50:11 PM  

misanthropicsob: SkunkWerks: No Subby, obese people break up traffic jams.

Farking Seattle entitled jerkwad coasting at slow speeds in the passing lane. I hope he gets tickets by the dozen.

HE's causing Seattle traffic as there are a lot of people who have to change lanes to get around him with sudden accelerations to slow down the other lanes.

This guy needs to be taken off the streets.


As a Seattle resident, if you live within the city limits and still own a vehicle, you are doing it oh so very wrong.
 
2012-12-21 12:50:38 PM  

JackieRabbit: New York is one of the least driver-friendly city in the world. More New Yorkers use public transportation or walk than just about any other US city. Yet, according to its department of health, one-half of its citizens are overweight or frankly obese.


Ah, but you'd have to compare that to the same rates in other places. The CDC's numbers for "overweight including obese" put the NY state average at about 60%, with all states coming in between 55% and 70%. So as unpleasant as NYC's stats are, the city may still be healthier than most places.

Of course there are other obesity factors, such as access to affordable and nutritious food, etc. And I'd hardly argue that spending an hour standing on a subway car is any better for you than spending an hour sitting in car.

So reality runs contrary to this man's suggestion. The idea has indeed been floated before and found to be incorrect.

The correlation is not an idea, it is an empirical observation.
 
2012-12-21 12:51:31 PM  
Mmmmmm jam
 
2012-12-21 12:55:01 PM  
Causation something something something correlation.

/99% of all people in traffic jams are wearing shoes, therefore...
 
2012-12-21 12:59:04 PM  

crazytrain: Mmmmmm jam


Looking for some crackers and jam?

Well then jam your fingers us your arse and crack 'em.
 
2012-12-21 01:00:13 PM  

SkunkWerks: misanthropicsob: Farking Seattle entitled jerkwad coasting at slow speeds in the passing lane.

...in the middle of a traffic jam already moving at speeds of sub-20mph.


And this jackhole is making it even slower.  The reason no one's braking behind him is because people who don't want to spend all day loafing behind some slow-driving asswipe have already passed and cut in front of him and the only people left behind him are other slow-ass asswipes.
 
2012-12-21 01:02:59 PM  

aerojockey: And this jackhole is making it even slower.


What I find most amusing about your Rage (other than your principal complaint being not at all or in any way true): this is really nothing more than what you're taught in any safe driving class, which is to keep a reasonable following distance.

Amazing how many people fail to follow simple instructions because they're too busy shoving their nose up the next herd member's ass.
 
2012-12-21 01:04:02 PM  
I thought it was old people, women, minorities, and Prius drivers that caused traffic.

/worst-case is an old minority woman Prius driver...*shudder*
 
2012-12-21 01:04:26 PM  

The Third Man: This explains why people in cities are fatter than rural residents. Except, oops, that's not true at all.


Don't people in rural areas drive way more than people in cities?
 
2012-12-21 01:05:35 PM  

JackieRabbit:
I commute every day, averaging 1.5 hours behind the wheel. I'm 6' and weight 172. I'm not fat. Obesity is cased by a sedentary lifestyle and over-eating, not by driving a car. New York is one of the least driver-friendly city in the world. More New Yorkers use public transportation or walk than just about any other US city. Yet, according to its department of health, one-half of its citizens are overweight or frankly obese. So reality runs contrary to this man's suggestion. The idea has indeed been floated before and found to be incorrect.


Your personal example does not disprove a generalization. These correlations are meant to describe the general behavior of the population as a whole, not the behavior of any given individual. When you look at the population as a whole, people who live in places that require lots of daily driving tend to be more obese than people who live in places that don't. That isn't everyone, but it's a statistical tendency.

And I never said that driving a care is what makes you obese. I said that it's associated with a sedentary lifestyle, which you agree is the real cause of obesity. That means that while it's entirely possible to commute long hours by car without becoming obese, in the overall population people who drive a lot tend to become more obese than people who drive less. I don't think even the researchers are suggesting that there is a causal mechanism by which driving causes obesity. They're just saying that it contributes to lifestyle factors that do, in general.

Also, from what I've read New York is less obese than most places in the U.S., so that would probably SUPPORT the notion that vehicle miles traveled correlated with obesity. Virtually all of America has a problem with weight control, but the prevalence within the population varies according to various factors. Vehicle miles traveled is one of them, though not the only one.
 
2012-12-21 01:06:49 PM  

farm machine: crazytrain: Mmmmmm jam

Looking for some crackers and jam?

Well then jam your fingers us your arse and crack 'em.


Well, um, hi I guess. Nice to meet you too.
 
2012-12-21 01:26:51 PM  

SkunkWerks: aerojockey: And this jackhole is making it even slower.

What I find most amusing about your Rage (other than your principal complaint being not at all or in any way true): this is really nothing more than what you're taught in any safe driving class, which is to keep a reasonable following distance.

Amazing how many people fail to follow simple instructions because they're too busy shoving their nose up the next herd member's ass.


These aren't "instructions", this is a guide on how be a shiathead and how to think you're helping but actually hurting traffic throughput.  When shiatheads do this, less cars go past a point, it slows down traffic for everyone.

And idiots like you and the shiathead in the video actually think driving slow helps.  Jesus.
 
2012-12-21 01:32:30 PM  

Frankenstorm: Did somebody say jam?


That must be jelly, cuz jam don't shake like that.
 
2012-12-21 01:37:37 PM  
In and around DC, I'd say it's MD drivers. Just kidding. Everyone is terrible.
 
2012-12-21 01:55:08 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The Third Man: This explains why people in cities are fatter than rural residents. Except, oops, that's not true at all.

Don't people in rural areas drive way more than people in cities?


Fark, this'll teach me not to just comment on the headline alone. I thought the author was just talking about traffic jams.

/slinks away quietly
 
2012-12-21 02:02:10 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Or maybe both of them are caused by too many people living outside of walking distance of the places they routinely travel to.


That's an excellent point which I thought the article would make... but they didn't. That and the need to improve access to pedestrian/bicycle facilities was overlooked as a cheap, easy, and effective solution.
 
2012-12-21 02:02:40 PM  
What we need are bigger highways with more lanes that are nice and wide like the old days so I can more effectively lane split past you fatty fats.
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(-60 lbs since getting a motorcycle!)
 
2012-12-21 02:23:37 PM  
Dunno about obesity, but folks updating their Facebook status at stop lights (the perfect time!) sure slows traffic down,
 
2012-12-21 02:29:11 PM  
The My Little Pony Killer: "Put in more sidewalks and crosswalks"

Suburban zoning from the 70s on, that puts at least a mile between the average front door and its corner store, is why most of America isn't "walkable".
(Ask a city-dweller whether they'd consider walking 17-20 blocks for a sandwich or a gallon of milk.)

Not having sidewalks or crosswalks sucks, but it's just insult to injury.
You can put them in. And some people will be happy. But most Americans will still get in their car.

Distance and time are the primary roadblocks.
 
2012-12-21 02:39:59 PM  

aerojockey: SkunkWerks: aerojockey: And this jackhole is making it even slower.

What I find most amusing about your Rage (other than your principal complaint being not at all or in any way true): this is really nothing more than what you're taught in any safe driving class, which is to keep a reasonable following distance.

Amazing how many people fail to follow simple instructions because they're too busy shoving their nose up the next herd member's ass.

These aren't "instructions", this is a guide on how be a shiathead and how to think you're helping but actually hurting traffic throughput.  When shiatheads do this, less cars go past a point, it slows down traffic for everyone.

And idiots like you and the shiathead in the video actually think driving slow helps.  Jesus.


It's okay, you can admit you like to hug the next guy's bumper. That it makes you feel more secure.
 
2012-12-21 02:41:51 PM  
Immigrants from California driving their SUV's too fast on black ice causes traffic jams,
 
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